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Post by foxysgloves on Feb 15, 2024 8:26:18 GMT
I donāt think beating QPR means we should calm down š Iām not calling for TP etc but we are still potentially 2 losses away from the relegation zone. Thatās not a cause for calm. People are and rightfully should be worried. Much needed win and our first home goal in over 7 hours in the league and hopefully some hope we can pick up our form. First home goal in over 7 hours in the league ā¦ Now that reads very much like a heavy bill of indictment and yet there are some here who would portray Schumacher like a messiah just because we managed to scrape a 1-0 win over third-from-bottom in an unwatchable game characterized by wayward passes and just one chance created from by us from open play I donāt think anyone has said heās the messiah. But nor is he a very naughty boy.
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Post by Gods on Feb 15, 2024 8:31:33 GMT
A bit deja vu of mad Nath here, just needed a bit of chest thumping and bulging eyes. It reminded me of Paul 'Rocky' Lambert celebrating after we beat Huddersfield in his first match in charge. He didn't win again until Swansea in the last match of the season when both clubs were already relegated!
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Post by wolfinsheepsclothing on Feb 15, 2024 8:31:36 GMT
Itās 1 game, but a really key one - heās only human
In a way itās understandable but letās not get carried away
They must all have been relieved for 3 points and no fan backlash
He was certainly āinvolvedā throughout the game
More hard work and application at the weekend
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Feb 15, 2024 8:45:37 GMT
Totally understandable the bloke is fighting for his career here and its was a step forward whether itās anything like a step towards being enough time will tell .
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Post by southcoaststokie on Feb 15, 2024 8:53:16 GMT
I donāt think beating QPR means we should calm down š Iām not calling for TP etc but we are still potentially 2 losses away from the relegation zone. Thatās not a cause for calm. People are and rightfully should be worried. Much needed win and our first home goal in over 7 hours in the league and hopefully some hope we can pick up our form. First home goal in over 7 hours in the league ā¦ Now that reads very much like a heavy bill of indictment and yet there are some here who would portray Schumacher like a messiah just because we managed to scrape a 1-0 win over third-from-bottom in an unwatchable game characterized by wayward passes and just one chance created from by us from open play First home goals in 7 hours you say, but you donāt mention the clean sheet, if you donāt concede, then you donāt lose, sometimes in certain games you have to change your principles, we looked a lot more solid, and after getting the goal, let them have more of the ball, hoping to catch them on the break, as so many teams have done to us this season, after getting the first goal
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Post by Scouse on Feb 15, 2024 9:10:35 GMT
We did not limit their goal scoring opportunities to nil or long range shots After 5 minutes their forward came one on one with iversen after a player playing out of position gave the ball away in our half with a wayward pass and the left back failed to cover . A similar goal scoring opportunity was had by qpr shortly afterwards but their player (I mean they are poor, really poor) shot the ball at the side netting We could have easily gone 1-0 down before having had even a glimpse of their penalty box Iām not saying just because we won , all was great last night ..but on balance it was certainly a better performance tactically overall last night than say the first 40 minutes at Blackburn ..now that game we were poor tactically , team wise and individually but your opinion that the tea lady for instance could have managed us to victory last night does your argument or opinion no favours ..it shows a lack of willingness to give credit where credit is due , and therefore by default weakens the weight of your argument if you raise genuine points ..it also perhaps shows a lack of appreciation that opposing teams are also trying to win the game too If youāve not warmed to SS , thatās fine ..Iāve concerns about his experience too .. but last night was a steady 6-7 /10 .which given the circumstances and our position could easily be boosted to a 7-8 and whilst not a great watch , was for the most part fairly comfortable and devoid of mass panic it was actually a very tactical 2nd half
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Post by pushon on Feb 15, 2024 9:17:16 GMT
I'm amazed that no-one has suggested a swift return to Port Fail for Mal-teaserš
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Post by malteser68 on Feb 15, 2024 9:33:33 GMT
I'm amazed that no-one has suggested a swift return to Port Fail for Mal-teaserš Before you post such an idiotic comment you should have some respect for someone who travels 3,800 km and spends very good money to come and support his boyhood team. As to port vale or whatever other rubbish you are referring to, not being a local I am completely oblivious to such local rivalry.
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Post by matelot1996 on Feb 15, 2024 9:35:20 GMT
I doesnāt take much imagination to realise the pressure these managers are under. Not a nice job. Especially at Stoke. Long May the celebrations continue.
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Post by malteser68 on Feb 15, 2024 9:36:06 GMT
First home goal in over 7 hours in the league ā¦ Now that reads very much like a heavy bill of indictment and yet there are some here who would portray Schumacher like a messiah just because we managed to scrape a 1-0 win over third-from-bottom in an unwatchable game characterized by wayward passes and just one chance created from by us from open play I donāt think anyone has said heās the messiah. But nor is he a very naughty boy. Yes a good number of posters stated their conviction yesterday that heās the one to take us forward after scraping a 1-0 win against a bottom three side after losing the last 4 games on the trot conceding 13 goals and scoring just 3
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Post by mattythestokie on Feb 15, 2024 9:41:56 GMT
Massive win and yesterday was about nothing but the 3points.
QPR were pretty awful and we canāt play them every week for the rest of the season. Still a long way to go but we need our home form to improve if we want to give ourselves a good chance and hopefully yesterdays win can help start that.
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 15, 2024 9:42:11 GMT
I donāt think anyone has said heās the messiah. But nor is he a very naughty boy. Yes a good number of posters stated their conviction yesterday that heās the one to take us forward after scraping a 1-0 win against a bottom three side after losing the last 4 games on the trot conceding 13 goals and scoring just 3 He's only been in charge for 6 weeks though, and been dealt a thoroughly bad hand with what he's inherited The concern had been that he's "lost the dressing room" And, as far as you can tell with these things, last night showed he hadn't. He showed flexibility last night, and that was encouraging
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Post by glpotter on Feb 15, 2024 9:43:40 GMT
I remember Nathan jones being the sameā¦
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Feb 15, 2024 9:45:18 GMT
I donāt think anyone has said heās the messiah. But nor is he a very naughty boy. Yes a good number of posters stated their conviction yesterday that heās the one to take us forward after scraping a 1-0 win against a bottom three side after losing the last 4 games on the trot conceding 13 goals and scoring just 3 We're shit mate. But we've just pulled 6 points clear of the bottom 3. A lot of work yet to be done for sure bit last night was one of our most significant victories in a long time. He managed to win it. And tactically he did well. And more importantly the players game management was excellent. And it was obvious he had players playing for him as the work rate was superb. He's been here half an hour and taken on one of the most disorganised squads I've ever come across. The club is a mess, moral through the floor. He's doing alright considering and I personally think he'll serve us well when he has a chance to breathe and can properly assess the pile of shit he's been handed.
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Post by SCFC92 on Feb 15, 2024 9:45:27 GMT
I remember Nathan jones being the sameā¦ I remember TP being the same. Or Jurgen Klopp being the same. Let him have his moment of relief, it's been bloody stressful, this was my exact reaction at full time yesterday.
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 15, 2024 9:46:51 GMT
I think this is fair.
2 poor teams, but we ground it out in a colossal game against a team that "didn't lay a glove on us". Celebrations well deserved
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Post by glpotter on Feb 15, 2024 9:47:48 GMT
I remember Nathan jones being the sameā¦ I remember TP being the same. Or Jurgen Klopp being the same. Let him have his moment of relief, it's been bloody stressful, this was my exact reaction at full time yesterday. Didnāt say it was a bad thing but I still worry if heās the right man We still are in massive trouble but yesterday provided some light relief
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Post by dirtygary69 on Feb 15, 2024 9:50:23 GMT
Yes a good number of posters stated their conviction yesterday that heās the one to take us forward after scraping a 1-0 win against a bottom three side after losing the last 4 games on the trot conceding 13 goals and scoring just 3 He's only been in charge for 6 weeks though, and been dealt a thoroughly bad hand with what he's inherited The concern had been that he's "lost the dressing room" And, as far as you can tell with these things, last night showed he hadn't. He showed flexibility last night, and that was encouraging I still think, rightly or wrongly, he's lost a few previous favourites. No Vidigal or Haksabanovic in the squad probably shows they are about done here, but we need players who want to play at the moment, so if that's the way it is then so be it. There still looks to be a good 18 or so who are still up for it, so let's just persevere with them until the end of the season. I can see us beating Coventry as well now. They are on a different level than QPR, who were crap, but football is all about momentum and that should have given us some confidence.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Feb 15, 2024 9:58:25 GMT
He's only been in charge for 6 weeks though, and been dealt a thoroughly bad hand with what he's inherited The concern had been that he's "lost the dressing room" And, as far as you can tell with these things, last night showed he hadn't. He showed flexibility last night, and that was encouraging I still think, rightly or wrongly, he's lost a few previous favourites. No Vidigal or Haksabanovic in the squad probably shows they are about done here, but we need players who want to play at the moment, so if that's the way it is then so be it. There still looks to be a good 18 or so who are still up for it, so let's just persevere with them until the end of the season. I can see us beating Coventry as well now. They are on a different level than QPR, who were crap, but football is all about momentum and that should have given us some confidence. I had similar thoughts about potential trouble-makers / mal-contents having being tactically isolated - and it's the right thing to do - either you're up for it or not however good you are....we need a team of scrappers now til the end of the season.......and THEN yet another clearout and some inspired recruitment !!! (yeh I know!)
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 15, 2024 10:02:31 GMT
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 15, 2024 10:20:32 GMT
Entertainment wise and quality wise it was rubbish. We dug in though and fought, which made up for it. We do have some quality in the side: Burger is a Rolls Royce of a midfielder and Junho is a creative spark for two examples, but the majority of the team is really lacking. We've got to do whatever we can just to get points on the board for now. Sorry to disagree but I was very much entertained - end to end stuff, some nice moves and chances from both sides (some howlers of course), a good goal at a crucial moment after 15 mins of sustained pressure then a no-sitting-back-on-one goal approach to a lively and sometimes brutal second half topped off with a nerve jangling finish and 8 mins added - a million miles away from some of the abject dross recently. Maybe Iām easily pleased š Missed it, can't make Wednesdays so can't comment on tonight but I'm in agreement that tight 1-0 victories are the most entertaining. I don't get the idea that lots of goals makes matches more exciting.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Feb 15, 2024 10:21:26 GMT
I (for the first time in a while), looked at the league table last night and noticed Middlesbrough only 6 points above us. I expected them to be miles higher up the league, but their season is only 2 wins better than ours! I have no idea if they are still on board with Carrick, but wasn't expecting them to be mid-table dwellers.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Feb 15, 2024 10:21:38 GMT
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Post by davethebass on Feb 15, 2024 10:26:55 GMT
The win was not thanks to him Tactically they were superior The manager deserves no credit for todayās 3 points from an unwatchable match The player he wanted and got in the January window Cundle was utterly useless - as he has been in all his appearances so far So by chance we got three points despite of the manager and his poor tactical choices and utterly shite substitutions and not thanks to him Have you not been watching our last few games? Schumacher completely changed the system tonight to protect our appalling defence. It restricted QPR to 1 shot on target and gave us a clean sheet after we'd conceded 11 goals in our last 3 games. Had he just carried on with the same gameplan, we'd have no doubt seen the usual defensive collapse and we'd have lost. The game was shit and, given that we have a squad of mainly shit players, we were pretty shit, but we found a way to win. The manager deserves credit for realising that he has to compromise his ideals and find a more pragmatic way of playing given our limitations. Exactly. Well said mate. I think Schumacher definitely deserves credit for the way he tightened things up and protected the defence, and also I'm sure he would have had some involvement in motivating that fighting team spirit that went with it to produce the clean sheet. And also, in his post match interview he said he'd had them practicing corners all week with Gally, because he said we'd had so many corners recently but not scored from them that he wanted to rectify that because these corners we keep getting should be a valuable source of goals that shouldn't be wasted. And what happens? Yep, we score from a corner. Which along with that clean sheet won us the game. It's plain obvious the manager definitely does deserve credit for the 3 points.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Feb 15, 2024 10:29:01 GMT
Coventry fourth in that table. Another tough game coming up
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Post by malteser68 on Feb 15, 2024 10:56:47 GMT
Yes a good number of posters stated their conviction yesterday that heās the one to take us forward after scraping a 1-0 win against a bottom three side after losing the last 4 games on the trot conceding 13 goals and scoring just 3 We're shit mate. But we've just pulled 6 points clear of the bottom 3. A lot of work yet to be done for sure bit last night was one of our most significant victories in a long time. He managed to win it. And tactically he did well. And more importantly the players game management was excellent. And it was obvious he had players playing for him as the work rate was superb. He's been here half an hour and taken on one of the most disorganised squads I've ever come across. The club is a mess, moral through the floor. He's doing alright considering and I personally think he'll serve us well when he has a chance to breathe and can properly assess the pile of shit he's been handed. Everyone seems to forget, after winning last nightās match, that we had just lost 4 games on the trot !! Perhaps Iām a bit harsh and not as magnanimous as others
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Post by idle on Feb 15, 2024 10:59:19 GMT
We're shit mate. But we've just pulled 6 points clear of the bottom 3. A lot of work yet to be done for sure bit last night was one of our most significant victories in a long time. He managed to win it. And tactically he did well. And more importantly the players game management was excellent. And it was obvious he had players playing for him as the work rate was superb. He's been here half an hour and taken on one of the most disorganised squads I've ever come across. The club is a mess, moral through the floor. He's doing alright considering and I personally think he'll serve us well when he has a chance to breathe and can properly assess the pile of shit he's been handed. Everyone seems to forget, after winning last nightās match, that we had just lost 4 games on the trot !! Perhaps Iām a bit harsh and not as magnanimous as others Sure, but we were unbeated in 7 before those 4, so it's a glass half full/half empty situation
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Feb 15, 2024 11:02:05 GMT
We're shit mate. But we've just pulled 6 points clear of the bottom 3. A lot of work yet to be done for sure bit last night was one of our most significant victories in a long time. He managed to win it. And tactically he did well. And more importantly the players game management was excellent. And it was obvious he had players playing for him as the work rate was superb. He's been here half an hour and taken on one of the most disorganised squads I've ever come across. The club is a mess, moral through the floor. He's doing alright considering and I personally think he'll serve us well when he has a chance to breathe and can properly assess the pile of shit he's been handed. Everyone seems to forget, after winning last nightās match, that we had just lost 4 games on the trot !! Perhaps Iām a bit harsh and not as magnanimous as others And he corrected that last night. Good tactical decisions, players on top of game management and crucially they worked their socks off. So you could re-frame it as a magnificent achievement off the back of 4 terrible results. He's been handed a shit sandwich make no doubt. He's doing okay. Still a mountain of work to do however š
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Post by stokeoptimist on Feb 15, 2024 11:32:43 GMT
The win was not thanks to him Tactically they were superior The manager deserves no credit for todayās 3 points from an unwatchable match The player he wanted and got in the January window Cundle was utterly useless - as he has been in all his appearances so far So by chance we got three points despite of the manager and his poor tactical choices and utterly shite substitutions and not thanks to him Apparently the QPR manager disagrees with you.
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Post by stokeoptimist on Feb 15, 2024 11:41:17 GMT
I remember Nathan jones being the sameā¦ Not really, he was a runty little Welsh chap who refused to change his tactics.
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