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Post by LGH87 on Feb 13, 2024 14:54:57 GMT
So if we are relegated to league one despite the owners billions, you're saying we couldn't wish for better owners? Makes sense. That is exactly what I'm saying and yes, it makes sense.... I'm not saying that owners don't make mistakes, in fact, football is a game of mistakes. Those that make less mistakes, usually do better...... Given the resources available and their undoubted loyalty, to oust the Coates family would be the most disastrous move in the clubs entire history. I have to believe that eventually, those mistakes are realised and put right. Terminal decline over 7 years, resulting in relegation to league one is more than making mistakes mate and what makes you think they're ever going to realise them and put them right? We just trundle on from one disaster to the next, each one worse than the one before.
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Post by fca47 on Feb 13, 2024 15:00:30 GMT
It will be nervous even if we are three up with five minutes to go. Don't think I've seen a side as porous as this one , if the other side gets a goal.
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 13, 2024 15:09:15 GMT
Man CityChairman - Khaldoon Al Mubarak Chief Executive Officer - Ferran Soriano Director of Football - Txiki Begiristain ArsenalChairmen - Stan & Josh Kroenke Chief Executive Officer - Vinai Venkatesham Sporting Director - Edu They are slightly bigger clubs than us. What about at our level? I am pretty sure their wages would count towards FFP. And I'm also pretty sure that in Richard Smith, Simon King, Ricky Martin we have the EQUIVALENT. As for chairmen who are not owners that is just an indication of an absent owner who is only interested in making money and doesn't care how the fans are impacted.
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 13, 2024 15:11:27 GMT
That's what I thought. If that's the best we can come up with for special guest then the omens aren't good. I think it's a good thing personally, Ex-Prem players as special guests, no matter who!!! It'd be great one day getting Huth back, or little Shaq!!! 👍🏼 Agree but as opposed to Muniesa and Bojan who have been special guests this season, Wollscheid just says scraping the bottom of the barrel because we can't get anyone else.
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Post by sticky on Feb 13, 2024 15:14:06 GMT
I suppose the atmosphere will match what’s being served up on the pitch. The players owe the fans a massive performance and they should be thoroughly ashamed of some of the tripe that’s been on offer so far. Out the traps from the off, full of energy, effort and be brave.. That’s what I expect to see as a bare minimum, and there’s no reason why that shouldn’t be the case especially given the predicament we’re in. Stoke 2 -0 win💪🏻
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Post by LGH87 on Feb 13, 2024 15:20:51 GMT
Man CityChairman - Khaldoon Al Mubarak Chief Executive Officer - Ferran Soriano Director of Football - Txiki Begiristain ArsenalChairmen - Stan & Josh Kroenke Chief Executive Officer - Vinai Venkatesham Sporting Director - Edu They are slightly bigger clubs than us. What about at our level? I am pretty sure their wages would count towards FFP. And I'm also pretty sure that in Richard Smith, Simon King, Ricky Martin we have the EQUIVALENT. As for chairmen who are not owners that is just an indication of an absent owner who is only interested in making money and doesn't care how the fans are impacted. The top 4 teams in this league, Leicester, Southampton, Leeds and Ipswich all have a CEO and a Sporting Director/Director of Football etc. The proof is in the pudding pal. All of those clubs and many many more, have owners/chairmen that allow people with more experience and knowledge of football to run their clubs for them. What we have is John Coates being hoodwinked by chancers like Ricky Martin, time and time again. With a proper CEO in charge, who knew what they were doing it wouldn't allow for the Ricky Martins of this world to get anywhere near this club.
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 13, 2024 15:27:53 GMT
They are slightly bigger clubs than us. What about at our level? I am pretty sure their wages would count towards FFP. And I'm also pretty sure that in Richard Smith, Simon King, Ricky Martin we have the EQUIVALENT. As for chairmen who are not owners that is just an indication of an absent owner who is only interested in making money and doesn't care how the fans are impacted. The top 4 teams in this league, Leicester, Southampton, Leeds and Ipswich all have a CEO and a Sporting Director/Director of Football etc. The proof is in the pudding pal. All of those clubs and many many more, have owners/chairmen that allow people with more experience and knowledge of football to run their clubs for them. What we have is John Coates being hoodwinked by chancers like Ricky Martin, time and time again. With a proper CEO in charge, who knew what they were doing it wouldn't allow for the Ricky Martins of this world to get anywhere near this club. So do we as I said. What we don't have is a chairman instead of Coates as owner. So what do you think King and Smith do if it isn't the every day running of the club? And of course it is Jon Coates privelege for the money he puts in to have a say.
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Post by LGH87 on Feb 13, 2024 15:30:43 GMT
The top 4 teams in this league, Leicester, Southampton, Leeds and Ipswich all have a CEO and a Sporting Director/Director of Football etc. The proof is in the pudding pal. All of those clubs and many many more, have owners/chairmen that allow people with more experience and knowledge of football to run their clubs for them. What we have is John Coates being hoodwinked by chancers like Ricky Martin, time and time again. With a proper CEO in charge, who knew what they were doing it wouldn't allow for the Ricky Martins of this world to get anywhere near this club. So do we as I said. What we don't have is a chairman instead of Coates as owner. So what do you think King and Smith do if it isn't the every day running of the club? And of course it is Jon Coates privelege for the money he puts in to have a say. Simon King is COO and Richard Smith takes care of all the building operations. I don't understand why you're failing to grasp the concept so badly? All the clubs I mentioned have the same or similar. Those roles don't impact the footballing side. What they do have is very competent people in the CEO and Footballing/Sporting director roles. We don't have a CEO and we have Ricky Martin. Like I said, John tries but he falls for the snake oil acts time and time again. It's why he needs some help, ideally from a competent CEO. Who then in turn appoints a competent sporting director. It's literally how modern football works now.
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Post by MooG on Feb 13, 2024 16:15:42 GMT
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I think people will try and get behind the team - but if we're 2 down in 20 minutes due to our trademarked brand of comical defending thing will probably get nasty.
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Post by brinsleymaclagan on Feb 13, 2024 16:27:19 GMT
They are slightly bigger clubs than us. What about at our level? I am pretty sure their wages would count towards FFP. And I'm also pretty sure that in Richard Smith, Simon King, Ricky Martin we have the EQUIVALENT. As for chairmen who are not owners that is just an indication of an absent owner who is only interested in making money and doesn't care how the fans are impacted. The top 4 teams in this league, Leicester, Southampton, Leeds and Ipswich all have a CEO and a Sporting Director/Director of Football etc. The proof is in the pudding pal. All of those clubs and many many more, have owners/chairmen that allow people with more experience and knowledge of football to run their clubs for them. What we have is John Coates being hoodwinked by chancers like Ricky Martin, time and time again. With a proper CEO in charge, who knew what they were doing it wouldn't allow for the Ricky Martins of this world to get anywhere near this club. No, “pal”, the proof of the pudding is in the eating!!
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 13, 2024 16:51:07 GMT
So do we as I said. What we don't have is a chairman instead of Coates as owner. So what do you think King and Smith do if it isn't the every day running of the club? And of course it is Jon Coates privelege for the money he puts in to have a say. Simon King is COO and Richard Smith takes care of all the building operations. I don't understand why you're failing to grasp the concept so badly? All the clubs I mentioned have the same or similar. Those roles don't impact the footballing side. What they do have is very competent people in the CEO and Footballing/Sporting director roles. We don't have a CEO and we have Ricky Martin. Like I said, John tries but he falls for the snake oil acts time and time again. It's why he needs some help, ideally from a competent CEO. Who then in turn appoints a competent sporting director. It's literally how modern football works now. No Richard Smith is vice chairman to Peter and Jon Coates and managing director, ie the person charged with running the organisation. Managing Director is another name, the English name for a CEO(American title), who has appointed our sport or football director, Ricky Martin and our Chief Operating Officer Simon King. Martin to oversee footballing matters and King to be responsible for non footballing matters like the stadium, training facilities, catering etc. It is very nitpicking to say the organisation is different just because the titles are different. EDIT : if you don't believe me just look on the Directory page on the official site.
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Post by franklin on Feb 13, 2024 17:48:38 GMT
100% it'll be hostile at the slightest look of us being shite. Only the players can stop that with some bollocks and fight not holding my breath though.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Feb 13, 2024 17:50:25 GMT
I think that the atmosphere will be quite nervy rather than openly hostile.
A mid-week game normally only brings out core fanbase (minus those that cannot make it due to work, family, etc.) and the crowd in general has been pretty placid over the last six years.
A couple of early goals might darken the mood severely though. 😅
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 13, 2024 17:51:49 GMT
I imagine it’ll be a frosty one when my mrs asks “what are we doing tonight then?” And I put the Stoke game on and crack a can!
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Feb 13, 2024 17:57:01 GMT
Think a Potteries version of Dante's 9 Circles of Hell would be the best vision if QPR score first, with the 8th & 9th being strongly predominant Fraud & Treachery (and its not every thread you get Dante you know.... )
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Post by peterthornesboots on Feb 13, 2024 17:57:03 GMT
That is exactly what I'm saying and yes, it makes sense.... I'm not saying that owners don't make mistakes, in fact, football is a game of mistakes. Those that make less mistakes, usually do better...... Given the resources available and their undoubted loyalty, to oust the Coates family would be the most disastrous move in the clubs entire history. I have to believe that eventually, those mistakes are realised and put right. Terminal decline over 7 years, resulting in relegation to league one is more than making mistakes mate and what makes you think they're ever going to realise them and put them right? We just trundle on from one disaster to the next, each one worse than the one before. If the last seven years of decline had occurred under the stewardship of another owner (who was not local) then there would be absolute uproar amongst our fanbase. I think everyone appreciates that the Coates family have the best interests of the club at heart and have thrown a lot of money at the club. However, two relegations in six seasons would be (almost) unforgivable. I do not necessarily want new owners ... I just want our existing ones to make better decisions. 😅
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 13, 2024 18:05:59 GMT
Phillip Wollscheid as special guest will add a few to the gate and get the atmosphere going.
I'll be on my seat clapping wildly.......
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Post by fca47 on Feb 13, 2024 18:12:15 GMT
Phillip Wollscheid as special guest will add a few to the gate and get the atmosphere going. I'll be on my seat clapping wildly....... Is this a wind up or true? A man who we had to pay to play for someone else, he was that good, comes back as a hero.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 13, 2024 18:13:29 GMT
Phillip Wollscheid as special guest will add a few to the gate and get the atmosphere going. I'll be on my seat clapping wildly....... Is this a wind up or true? A man who we had to pay to play for someone else, he was that good, comes back as a hero. It's true, and I for one am glad to see him back................
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 13, 2024 18:14:20 GMT
I'd love to know who has set up this Wollscheid trip.
Just absolutely bizarre stuff. Presumably we've paid for his flight and a night in the hotel.
The mind boggles
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Post by Olgrligm on Feb 13, 2024 18:14:30 GMT
I don't know what to say.
Going off certain games, such as the end of Neil's tenure, there will be howls of derision at the first misplaced pass. I can't blame anybody who has watched the last seven years for reacting like that or reaching the end of their tether, but it also won't help.
Best case scenario is we get a goal within the first minute to get the crowd onside.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 13, 2024 18:15:25 GMT
Phillip Wollscheid as special guest will add a few to the gate and get the atmosphere going. I'll be on my seat clapping wildly....... Is this a wind up or true? A man who we had to pay to play for someone else, he was that good, comes back as a hero. Maybe he’s doing a dj set for the light show? I didn’t mind Wolly tbh
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 13, 2024 18:16:44 GMT
I'd love to know who has set up this Wollscheid trip. Just absolutely bizarre stuff. Presumably we've paid for his flight and a night in the hotel. The mind boggles Underrated player mate, we had a record that would have got us Europa League football when he played. It was such a hurried exit we never truly got chance to say goodbye.........
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Feb 13, 2024 18:19:02 GMT
Phillip Wollscheid as special guest will add a few to the gate and get the atmosphere going. I'll be on my seat clapping wildly....... Is this a wind up or true? A man who we had to pay to play for someone else, he was that good, comes back as a hero. To be fair no one is claiming he's a hero An ex player coming back for a game No harm in that
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 13, 2024 18:23:18 GMT
I'd love to know who has set up this Wollscheid trip. Just absolutely bizarre stuff. Presumably we've paid for his flight and a night in the hotel. The mind boggles Underrated player mate, we had a record that would have got us Europa League football when he played. It was such a hurried exit we never truly got chance to say goodbye......... I didn't hate him, by any means. Just seems a very odd game for him to come back in front of a tense and pissed off 14k, to get a smattering of applause for 7 or 8 seconds. Can never really see why you'd do it unless it was for a really popular player -like Huth, Fuller, Whelan -or someone like that. That would get a reaction. People will just shrug when Phil's introduced. It was the same with Bjarni Gudjonsson the other week. Barely a ripple of applause, and I quite liked Bjarni too.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 13, 2024 18:25:18 GMT
Underrated player mate, we had a record that would have got us Europa League football when he played. It was such a hurried exit we never truly got chance to say goodbye......... I didn't hate him, by any means. Just seems a very odd game for him to come back in front of a tense and pissed off 14k, to get a smattering of applause for 7 or 8 seconds. Can never really see why you'd do it unless it was for a really popular player -like Huth, Fuller, Whelan -or someone like that. That would get a reaction. People will just shrug when Phil's introduced. It was the same with Bjarni Gudjonsson the other week. Barely a ripple of applause, and I quite liked Bjarni too. Maybe he’ll be announced as a new signing😉
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Post by glpotter on Feb 13, 2024 18:41:50 GMT
Depends how we start. If they try and create chances, fans will respond, if the start like they did against Blackburn it’ll be toxic
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Post by thisfootballclub on Feb 13, 2024 18:53:49 GMT
I'd love to know who has set up this Wollscheid trip. Just absolutely bizarre stuff. Presumably we've paid for his flight and a night in the hotel. The mind boggles Bizarre to say the least, you would of thought the club would be concentrating on Championship survival rather than this completely unnecessary outlay.
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Post by march4 on Feb 13, 2024 19:41:13 GMT
They are slightly bigger clubs than us. What about at our level? I am pretty sure their wages would count towards FFP. And I'm also pretty sure that in Richard Smith, Simon King, Ricky Martin we have the EQUIVALENT. As for chairmen who are not owners that is just an indication of an absent owner who is only interested in making money and doesn't care how the fans are impacted. The top 4 teams in this league, Leicester, Southampton, Leeds and Ipswich all have a CEO and a Sporting Director/Director of Football etc. The proof is in the pudding pal. All of those clubs and many many more, have owners/chairmen that allow people with more experience and knowledge of football to run their clubs for them. What we have is John Coates being hoodwinked by chancers like Ricky Martin, time and time again. With a proper CEO in charge, who knew what they were doing it wouldn't allow for the Ricky Martins of this world to get anywhere near this club. Clackers, deely boppers, directors of football. All fads that soon disappear.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Feb 13, 2024 19:52:07 GMT
I'd love to know who has set up this Wollscheid trip. Just absolutely bizarre stuff. Presumably we've paid for his flight and a night in the hotel. The mind boggles Bizarre to say the least, you would of thought the club would be concentrating on Championship survival rather than this completely unnecessary outlay. I don't think a room at the Holiday Inn will interfere with anything to be fair We can't beat anyone at home anyway. Don't think booking a hotel room for £60 or will case a further down turn in form
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