What a mish mash of a squad

[kevkj]

Its a total mess.
Apart from Burger,Junho and possibly Junior its awful.
Weak,lazy or just not good enough or suitable for the championship.
The rebuild has been awful.

[silsdenstokie]

Maybe Benji had a point

Not looking good is it?

[rickyfullerbeer]

Pretty much a squad of second choice players.

[go4stoke]

Seem to be grave yard so called upcoming manager Kev .

[chuckrocky]

I can’t believe there’s a team in this league with a worse pool of centre halves.

All physicality weak, riddled with mistakes and don’t actually like defending.

[shaun888]

Clumsy and ill disciplined defenders. Woeful strikers who take the term striking to be 'on strike' and a supply line that rarely strings 4 good passes together in dangerous areas. Manager not to blame but he needs to work out how to offload ASAP

[karl]

If we were scoring more then we could work on the defence. The problem we have is our lack of goals so puts our defence under more pressure.

[carcrazypop]

Think it was the two fullbacks that went missing today, I like Gooch but Jack Clarke ran him ragged today and Thompson went missing on the left side.

[rickyfullerbeer]

Where's that Play-Offs thread gone?

[march4]

We have needed since before the season started;

1. A strong running goalscorer to lead the line.
2. An effective centre back to provide some leadership.

[Trouserdog]

Yet another transfer window where recruitment was below par. It's ultimately why we are where we are: we make the squad worse with every window despite spending money on it.

The biggest disappointment has been the wide players. We recruited with the intention of playing 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3, but it's clear that we still haven't got a decent winger in the building. Vidigal and Leris were cheap punts that haven't come off, Haksabanovic isn't the answer, while Campbell plays like he'd rather be somewhere else.

We probably need to revert to something else until the end of the season to try and maximise the area we are strong (centre mid to attacking midfield).

[matelot1996]

Jan 27, 2024 17:03:17 GMT chuckrocky said:

I can’t believe there’s a team in this league with a worse pool of centre halves.

All physicality weak, riddled with mistakes and don’t actually like defending.

Full backs and strikers also. The whole “rebuild” has failed spectacularly. The snake oil salesmen at Stoke pre-season have fucked the club over. I can’t actually remember but was there any competition from other clubs to sign any of the incoming players? Given that 70% are utter wasters I doubt it. Really bad day for Stoke and the realisation that next week we will probably be 3 points off a relegation place. That in itself adversely alters the psyche of the club and player’s.

[silsdenstokie]

Jan 27, 2024 17:09:48 GMT march4 said:

We have needed since before the season started;

1. A strong running goalscorer to lead the line.
2. An effective centre back to provide some leadership.

This

Getting number 1 in Jan is probably difficult

However, not getting a centre half in is mystifying

[redwhitesingfight]

We need to start looking at the younger players. Why are they at the club if we aren’t going to try them. Sidibe should be starting.

[cvillestokie]

We created more than enough good chances to win today. It’s awful that we didn’t. To me, that doesn’t allude to a squad that’s awful.

I’d be much more concerned if we didn’t create chances. I do expect someone to finally bury one of these soon and go on a little run. Goals change player’s confidence and performance. We just need to actually score one for a change.

[dirtygary69]

Jan 27, 2024 17:15:32 GMT cvillestokie said:

We created more than enough good chances to win today. It’s awful that we didn’t. To me, that doesn’t allude to a squad that’s awful.

I’d be much more concerned if we didn’t create chances. I do expect someone to finally bury one of these soon and go on a little run. Goals change player’s confidence and performance. We just need to actually score one for a change.

That can also be a concern though, for me, which I’ve put elsewhere. I’d suggest that in some of these games, especially Brum last week, we’ve played about as well as could be expected and managed to lose. That can’t be good long term. I don’t think we are in any grave danger but we certainly have some tough games coming up. 

[crouchpotato1]

Too many players signed who in my opinion are not up for the championship fight.Vidigal,Maae,Leris,Rose to name but a few,then you add in the bone idle Campbell into the mix and a very unimpressive Cundle so far then you have passengers most weeks

[cvillestokie]

Jan 27, 2024 17:18:46 GMT dirtygary69 said:

Jan 27, 2024 17:15:32 GMT cvillestokie said:

We created more than enough good chances to win today. It’s awful that we didn’t. To me, that doesn’t allude to a squad that’s awful.

I’d be much more concerned if we didn’t create chances. I do expect someone to finally bury one of these soon and go on a little run. Goals change player’s confidence and performance. We just need to actually score one for a change.

That can also be a concern though, for me, which I’ve put elsewhere. I’d suggest that in some of these games, especially Brum last week, we’ve played about as well as could be expected and managed to lose. That can’t be good long term. I don’t think we are in any grave danger but we certainly have some tough games coming up. 

If it continues to occur long-term, then yeah, I agree. It would be a huge concern if we played about as well as we could and kept losing. I don’t think that we will though. I feel like there’s some goals in one of Campbell, Bae or even Mmaee (yes, him BaconBurger) All three look like players who go on spells of good form then fade away.

I think Junior coming back will help this squad tremendously. If we cant get a striker in, then a left back version of him would be a game-changer. We do get out-muscled a lot.

[stokesaint1]

Not at fault for the three goals but does anyone really believe Iversen is an upgrade on Bonham? Defence all over the place and Iversen needs to be far more vocal. I only saw Burger really shouting at our defenders today and he should have been shouting at himself too. Burger's worst game in a Stoke shirt for me. Surgery urgently required at both ends of the pitch in the next 4 days.

[stokesaint1]

Forgot to mention Cundle in my post above. Absolutely awful and contributed nothing at all. Hope Shueey isn't going to be another Neil, bringing in his own "mates" and playing them, despite appalling performances.

[sealion100]

The title of this thread is exactly where my head is at !
Iverson — foxes 4th choice no upgrade on Bonham
Gooch— not good enough at this level .. great attitude
Thompson— not a left back, tries ..good DM
Wilmot ..Rose..Macnally —ok half backs, need a CB
Burger —great signing…. !! Playing to deep
Bae — good player needs time we haven’t got!
Cundle — what’s the point!
Leris — ok nothing more!
Hazza— good control but weak
Campbell— Awful player (to good for Stoke) hope he fucks off

[terrorofturfmoor]

Jan 27, 2024 17:09:05 GMT rickyfullerbeer said:

Where's that Play-Offs thread gone?

Hopefully put well and truly to bed!!!

[FullerMagic]

Jan 27, 2024 17:10:14 GMT Trouserdog said:

Yet another transfer window where recruitment was below par. It's ultimately why we are where we are: we make the squad worse with every window despite spending money on it.

The biggest disappointment has been the wide players. We recruited with the intention of playing 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3, but it's clear that we still haven't got a decent winger in the building. Vidigal and Leris were cheap punts that haven't come off, Haksabanovic isn't the answer, while Campbell plays like he'd rather be somewhere else.

We probably need to revert to something else until the end of the season to try and maximise the area we are strong (centre mid to attacking midfield).

Yeah, no idea how, with a blank sheet of paper, you end up this pool of wide players and central defenders - or end up with Mmaee as THE CHOICE you think can play centrally in a 4-3-3 in the Championship and be your main man

Haks seemed to be a last-day punt - but he's added nothing. The chances of Vidders exploding at this level after years of non-goalscoring in Portugal always seemed slim - and the chances of Leris doing anything seemed even lower, given his record.

No idea when we were totting the likely goals up in August, how we possibly thought we'd acquired an acceptable mix of attributes and goal power.

However the meetings between Neil, Jared and Tricky went, we ended up with a very strange collection.

We can just be grateful we didn't pay £750k for Rose as Neil wanted to this time last year. McNally has been the surprise after the way the Cov fans were describing him.

There must have been compromises made over which areas we went big on, and which we had to take more of a punt on. But if we have got as mcuh wriggle room as people more au fait with FFP suggest, maybe we didn't need to go quite as punty with the likes of Leris and Vidigal, and could have aimed to get another couple in the Burger/Bae range of quality.

We've got 3-4 pearls, but a lot of dross. And maybe that's always going to be the ratio in such a mammoth rebuild.

[terrorofturfmoor]

Other than Junho, Burger and possibly Junior, the rest of the summer recruitment seems to have taken us a step backwards..... Or at best, made no difference whatsoever!!!

[smallthorner]

Jan 27, 2024 17:48:48 GMT stokesaint1 said:

Forgot to mention Cundle in my post above. Absolutely awful and contributed nothing at all. Hope Shueey isn't going to be another Neil, bringing in his own "mates" and playing them, despite appalling performances.

I'm really struggling with Cundle.

Nothing player.

[FullerMagic]

Jan 27, 2024 18:09:24 GMT smallthorner said:

Jan 27, 2024 17:48:48 GMT stokesaint1 said:

Forgot to mention Cundle in my post above. Absolutely awful and contributed nothing at all. Hope Shueey isn't going to be another Neil, bringing in his own "mates" and playing them, despite appalling performances.

I'm really struggling with Cundle.

Nothing player.

There must be more than we've seen so far.


But at least we didn't buy him!

[skip]

Jan 27, 2024 17:53:56 GMT FullerMagic said:

Jan 27, 2024 17:10:14 GMT Trouserdog said:

Yet another transfer window where recruitment was below par. It's ultimately why we are where we are: we make the squad worse with every window despite spending money on it.

The biggest disappointment has been the wide players. We recruited with the intention of playing 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3, but it's clear that we still haven't got a decent winger in the building. Vidigal and Leris were cheap punts that haven't come off, Haksabanovic isn't the answer, while Campbell plays like he'd rather be somewhere else.

We probably need to revert to something else until the end of the season to try and maximise the area we are strong (centre mid to attacking midfield).

Yeah, no idea how, with a blank sheet of paper, you end up this pool of wide players and central defenders - or end up with Mmaee as THE CHOICE you think can play centrally in a 4-3-3 in the Championship and be your main man

Haks seemed to be a last-day punt - but he's added nothing. The chances of Vidders exploding at this level after years of non-goalscoring in Portugal always seemed slim - and the chances of Leris doing anything seemed even lower, given his record.

No idea when we were totting the likely goals up in August, how we possibly thought we'd acquired an acceptable mix of attributes and goal power.

However the meetings between Neil, Jared and Tricky went, we ended up with a very strange collection.

We can just be grateful we didn't pay £750k for Rose as Neil wanted to this time last year. McNally has been the surprise after the way the Cov fans were describing him.

There must have been compromises made over which areas we went big on, and which we had to take more of a punt on. But if we have got as mcuh wriggle room as people more au fait with FFP suggest, maybe we didn't need to go quite as punty with the likes of Leris and Vidigal, and could have aimed to get another couple in the Burger/Bae range of quality.

We've got 3-4 pearls, but a lot of dross. And maybe that's always going to be the ratio in such a mammoth rebuild.

100% bang on.

[Staffsoatcake]

90% of these would have been Central league players,getting the odd game when a 1st team player was out injured.

[benjaminbiscuit]

Well at.least I'm not on my own now

Remove martin.first job

Personally if we want to survive I'd.go for Moore and one of the Leeds centre halves or souttar but Martin going is more important

[citynickscfc]

Jan 27, 2024 16:52:57 GMT silsdenstokie said:

Maybe Benji had a point

Not looking good is it?

I'm not sure how most people, even those who haven't played football manager, couldnt see the lack of balance and chemistry in the reformed squad. Even FIFA players would have been able to see it! And I thought we recruited from fm2015... Not anymore. We have gone full blown intentional scatter gun approach.

I wonder if Jun Ho's agent had a good PowerPoint?