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Post by independent on Jan 28, 2024 2:39:43 GMT
I just hope that we can unload players and aren't stuck with them for years.With all the loans we have, we were going to need another rebuid in June anyway, but now it looks like an even bigger influx of players will be needed. This is the time that targets should be identified and players tapped up for next season. How many players do we have that we are happy with?
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Post by tuum on Jan 28, 2024 3:44:24 GMT
Where's that Play-Offs thread gone? Hopefully put well and truly to bed!!! To make the play-offs we could only afford to lose 3 more games to the end of the season. We have just lost two. If we lose to Leicester next week then we should focus on plan (b) that is to avoid relegation. Exciting times!
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Post by mtrstudent on Jan 28, 2024 4:06:40 GMT
Think it was the two fullbacks that went missing today, I like Gooch but Jack Clarke ran him ragged today and Thompson went missing on the left side. I've been a huge fan of JT but he got done today.
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Post by BlurtonRed on Jan 28, 2024 7:54:54 GMT
I remember being at Reading when Rowett was in charge of us. They had a side full of as been/nearly good enough ex prem players, a mixture of free transfers from Europe and lower league nobody's. I remember thinking if we don't get it right and don't get out of this league quickly this could very well be us. Unfortunately we're heading that way, luckily our owners have got the finances too stop us being in the mess they are financially
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Post by emretezzy on Jan 28, 2024 7:59:40 GMT
Iversen Junior Wilmot ... Gooch Burger ... ... ... Jun-Ho ...
Realistically for a Top 6 side we are 5 starting players short.
The amount of dead wood in the squad is beyond a joke, you could lose 5/6 players tomorrow and you wouldn't even notice.
My only criticism of Schu so far is Cundle. I'm not liking what seeing for the engine room of the pitch and I think he is causing us lots of issues at the moment.
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Post by cyprus1stokey on Jan 28, 2024 8:23:26 GMT
We've got to do it all over again in the summer, ten of them are going, let's hope we do better next season.
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Post by citynickscfc on Jan 28, 2024 8:29:39 GMT
We've got to do it all over again in the summer, ten of them are going, let's hope we do better next season. You would imagine next session will be the last chance for the recruitment team. A repeat of this session and there can't be any excuses for maintaining the current process. I will always remember, tho, that there was "nothing wrong with the process" in the first place.
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Post by theonlooker on Jan 28, 2024 8:30:34 GMT
If we are to continue with 433 then in the next 4 days we need two wingers, two new 8s in midfield, a left back and at least one centre half.
If I were Schumacher I'd bin it until the summer and go back to the 352 that looked half decent last week against Brum. The two centre forwards looked lively and it at least gets half a tune out of Hoever at centre back. The midfield and defence look more stable if only due to numbers through the middle of the pitch.
It should also get the most out of Leris and Junior at wing back too.
I don't like the wing backs at all but needs must for me until the summer, where hopefully the coach can recruit properly for a 433 if he so wishes.
Too many more games like that yesterday, with the manager looking for ideals and he will be bang in Nathan Jones territory looking over his shoulder again.
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Post by stokiejoe on Jan 28, 2024 8:32:14 GMT
Our strikers lean back as they shoot time after time with the predictable result of it going up in the air. Either that or scuffing the shot, it's a training ground issue that needs addressing. It's not rocket science to expect professional footballers to know how to kick a ball.
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Post by foster on Jan 28, 2024 8:36:02 GMT
If league positions were based on goals against then we'd be 9th best.
In terms of goals for we're 20th.
So for me the big issue is up front, not particularly at the back.
If we scored more we'd likely concede less as well, as it would make teams sit back and defend more themselves.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2024 8:39:47 GMT
And people are surprised by all of this because?
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Post by scfcno1fan on Jan 28, 2024 8:50:51 GMT
If league positions were based on goals against then we'd be 9th best. In terms of goals for we're 20th. So for me the big issue is up front, not particularly at the back. If we scored more we'd likely concede less as well, as it would make teams sit back and defend more themselves. I think the issue is we’ve become more expansive under Scheuy, which is now highlighting the weaknesses in defence, particularly if we can’t score. Plymouth had a load of 3-2, 3-3, 4-3 games. Probably would have been similar yesterday but we’re useless up front.
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Post by thestatusquo on Jan 28, 2024 9:01:19 GMT
Yet another transfer window where recruitment was below par. It's ultimately why we are where we are: we make the squad worse with every window despite spending money on it. The biggest disappointment has been the wide players. We recruited with the intention of playing 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3, but it's clear that we still haven't got a decent winger in the building. Vidigal and Leris were cheap punts that haven't come off, Haksabanovic isn't the answer, while Campbell plays like he'd rather be somewhere else. We probably need to revert to something else until the end of the season to try and maximise the area we are strong (centre mid to attacking midfield). Yeah, no idea how, with a blank sheet of paper, you end up this pool of wide players and central defenders - or end up with Mmaee as THE CHOICE you think can play centrally in a 4-3-3 in the Championship and be your main man Haks seemed to be a last-day punt - but he's added nothing. The chances of Vidders exploding at this level after years of non-goalscoring in Portugal always seemed slim - and the chances of Leris doing anything seemed even lower, given his record. No idea when we were totting the likely goals up in August, how we possibly thought we'd acquired an acceptable mix of attributes and goal power. However the meetings between Neil, Jared and Tricky went, we ended up with a very strange collection. We can just be grateful we didn't pay £750k for Rose as Neil wanted to this time last year. McNally has been the surprise after the way the Cov fans were describing him. There must have been compromises made over which areas we went big on, and which we had to take more of a punt on. But if we have got as mcuh wriggle room as people more au fait with FFP suggest, maybe we didn't need to go quite as punty with the likes of Leris and Vidigal, and could have aimed to get another couple in the Burger/Bae range of quality. We've got 3-4 pearls, but a lot of dross. And maybe that's always going to be the ratio in such a mammoth rebuild. I think you are giving them way to much credit FM. With what we’ve heard from Martin and his “I’m responsible for recruitment comments” he thinks they’d got it right. To me it’s seems more of a Baldricks I’ve got a cunning plan. I think they saw something different in these players that no one else had despite all the evidence to the contrary. If this lot is the best that our scouting network can come up with the I’m quite concerned about who they will bring in next if Cundle is anything to go by as they must have rubber stamped that too! The cultural architect bollocks summed Martin up for me. He’s clearly a snake oil salesman who the Coates have fallen for. He should have gone when his mate went as he’s just as responsible as he was and he can still do us more damage.
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Post by doctortheopolis on Jan 28, 2024 9:06:18 GMT
Where's that Play-Offs thread gone? What about the one after we beat Middlesbrough away that said there was no reason why we couldn't go unbeaten until at least Christmas?!
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 28, 2024 9:07:26 GMT
Yeah, no idea how, with a blank sheet of paper, you end up this pool of wide players and central defenders - or end up with Mmaee as THE CHOICE you think can play centrally in a 4-3-3 in the Championship and be your main man Haks seemed to be a last-day punt - but he's added nothing. The chances of Vidders exploding at this level after years of non-goalscoring in Portugal always seemed slim - and the chances of Leris doing anything seemed even lower, given his record. No idea when we were totting the likely goals up in August, how we possibly thought we'd acquired an acceptable mix of attributes and goal power. However the meetings between Neil, Jared and Tricky went, we ended up with a very strange collection. We can just be grateful we didn't pay £750k for Rose as Neil wanted to this time last year. McNally has been the surprise after the way the Cov fans were describing him. There must have been compromises made over which areas we went big on, and which we had to take more of a punt on. But if we have got as mcuh wriggle room as people more au fait with FFP suggest, maybe we didn't need to go quite as punty with the likes of Leris and Vidigal, and could have aimed to get another couple in the Burger/Bae range of quality. We've got 3-4 pearls, but a lot of dross. And maybe that's always going to be the ratio in such a mammoth rebuild. I think you are giving them way to much credit FM. With what we’ve heard from Martin and his “I’m responsible for recruitment comments” he thinks they’d got it right. To me it’s seems more of a Baldricks I’ve got a cunning plan. I think they saw something different in these players that no one else had despite all the evidence to the contrary. If this lot is the best that our scouting network can come up with the I’m quite concerned about who they will bring in next if Cundle is anything to go by as they must have rubber stamped that too! The cultural architect bollocks summed Martin up for me. He’s clearly a snake oil salesman who the Coates have fallen for. He should have gone when his mate went as he’s just as responsible as he was and he can still do us more damage. I wouldn’t imagine Cundle had anything to do with anyone but the incoming management team mate but I agree on Martin
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Post by wakeypotter on Jan 28, 2024 9:08:44 GMT
Its a total mess. Apart from Burger,Junho and possibly Junior its awful. Weak,lazy or just not good enough or suitable for the championship. The rebuild has been awful. That’s what you get shopping at Poundland I’ve said it for a while this squad is a mess
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jan 28, 2024 9:09:16 GMT
Little bit of an overreaction here I’d suggest. The players have all looked much better and at it since Schumacher got here, so no need to go too overboard. We were due a shitter and got one. Schumacher probably does need to go back to something like last week where it looked a lot more fluid. Yesterday just seemed far too open and I think 5 changes was perhaps a few too many (although appreciate he might have dropped a couple for not training well by the look of it.
We’ll sign a couple this week and Junior is back too. It’s a setback for sure and there are the same glaring deficiencies there have been for a while, but he’s had them playing miles better before yesterday. No need to panic completely, although many more performances like the second half yesterday will see the fans turn on the players again. It is so fucking frustrating that we can’t seem to be just on a level, rather than seemingly getting somewhere and then deciding to hit the self destruct button. It’ll be interesting to see how he manages it this week.
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Post by wakeypotter on Jan 28, 2024 9:09:57 GMT
Pretty much a squad of second choice players. Some arnt even 2nd choice
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Post by stokemark on Jan 28, 2024 9:11:17 GMT
If we are to continue with 433 then in the next 4 days we need two wingers, two new 8s in midfield, a left back and at least one centre half. If I were Schumacher I'd bin it until the summer and go back to the 352 that looked half decent last week against Brum. The two centre forwards looked lively and it at least gets half a tune out of Hoever at centre back. The midfield and defence look more stable if only due to numbers through the middle of the pitch. It should also get the most out of Leris and Junior at wing back too. I don't like the wing backs at all but needs must for me until the summer, where hopefully the coach can recruit properly for a 433 if he so wishes. Too many more games like that yesterday, with the manager looking for ideals and he will be bang in Nathan Jones territory looking over his shoulder again. 100% agree With 4-3-3 with this current crop we look like we are playing with 9 men as Haks / Leris / Vidigal offer us nothing beyond seeing Mmaee looking isolated up front
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Post by thestatusquo on Jan 28, 2024 9:15:34 GMT
I think you are giving them way to much credit FM. With what we’ve heard from Martin and his “I’m responsible for recruitment comments” he thinks they’d got it right. To me it’s seems more of a Baldricks I’ve got a cunning plan. I think they saw something different in these players that no one else had despite all the evidence to the contrary. If this lot is the best that our scouting network can come up with the I’m quite concerned about who they will bring in next if Cundle is anything to go by as they must have rubber stamped that too! The cultural architect bollocks summed Martin up for me. He’s clearly a snake oil salesman who the Coates have fallen for. He should have gone when his mate went as he’s just as responsible as he was and he can still do us more damage. I wouldn’t imagine Cundle had anything to do with anyone but the incoming management team mate but I agree on Martin As SS is only the head coach and not responsible for recruitment as Martin has stated that he is he must have had some say in it.
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Post by wakeypotter on Jan 28, 2024 9:21:04 GMT
Yet another transfer window where recruitment was below par. It's ultimately why we are where we are: we make the squad worse with every window despite spending money on it. The biggest disappointment has been the wide players. We recruited with the intention of playing 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3, but it's clear that we still haven't got a decent winger in the building. Vidigal and Leris were cheap punts that haven't come off, Haksabanovic isn't the answer, while Campbell plays like he'd rather be somewhere else. We probably need to revert to something else until the end of the season to try and maximise the area we are strong (centre mid to attacking midfield). Yeah, no idea how, with a blank sheet of paper, you end up this pool of wide players and central defenders - or end up with Mmaee as THE CHOICE you think can play centrally in a 4-3-3 in the Championship and be your main man Haks seemed to be a last-day punt - but he's added nothing. The chances of Vidders exploding at this level after years of non-goalscoring in Portugal always seemed slim - and the chances of Leris doing anything seemed even lower, given his record. No idea when we were totting the likely goals up in August, how we possibly thought we'd acquired an acceptable mix of attributes and goal power. However the meetings between Neil, Jared and Tricky went, we ended up with a very strange collection. We can just be grateful we didn't pay £750k for Rose as Neil wanted to this time last year. McNally has been the surprise after the way the Cov fans were describing him. There must have been compromises made over which areas we went big on, and which we had to take more of a punt on. But if we have got as mcuh wriggle room as people more au fait with FFP suggest, maybe we didn't need to go quite as punty with the likes of Leris and Vidigal, and could have aimed to get another couple in the Burger/Bae range of quality. We've got 3-4 pearls, but a lot of dross. And maybe that's always going to be the ratio in such a mammoth rebuild. Quality over quantity every time
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Post by Rick Grimes on Jan 28, 2024 9:37:51 GMT
CB’s have been an issue for a while now, none of them currently at the club are good enough and I’d get rid of them all in the summer if I could.
The striker department is troubling as well but at least we can have a reset in the summer, to be in a position where it was Mmaee or bust is really shit. Gayle, Wesley and Campbell and their significant wages can all fuck off and hopefully we manage to replace them with someone half decent.
Leris is like a Poundland version of Jacob Brown and I didn’t rate Brown so that’s indicative of just how shit he is.
Dublin seems like a stats guy but as others have said where exactly did we think goals and assists were coming from when none of the attacking players that we’ve signed have put up significant goal contributions prior to joining the club.
It’s just a case of limping along to the end of the season and hoping we don’t get relegated, which is absolutely wank yet again.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jan 28, 2024 11:44:39 GMT
Hopefully put well and truly to bed!!! To make the play-offs we could only afford to lose 3 more games to the end of the season. We have just lost two. If we lose to Leicester next week then we should focus on plan (b) that is to avoid relegation. Exciting times! Plan B is plan A in our case!!! 🤔
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jan 28, 2024 12:23:40 GMT
Iversen Junior Wilmot ... Gooch Burger ... ... ... Jun-Ho ... Realistically for a Top 6 side we are 5 starting players short. The amount of dead wood in the squad is beyond a joke, you could lose 5/6 players tomorrow and you wouldn't even notice. My only criticism of Schu so far is Cundle. I'm not liking what seeing for the engine room of the pitch and I think he is causing us lots of issues at the moment. Not sure about Wilmot,how often do we win when he plays,compared to how many we lose? Gooch a decent squad player,but not a starter.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jan 28, 2024 12:25:18 GMT
I can’t believe there’s a team in this league with a worse pool of centre halves. All physicality weak, riddled with mistakes and don’t actually like defending. They are under pressure because of our lack of goals but have to agree, even Wilmot on their first is following the ball like a six year old, if he just marked the lad who scored it would be prevented, all not really good enough.
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Post by Gob Bluth on Jan 31, 2024 13:31:16 GMT
Iversen Junior Wilmot ... Gooch Burger ... ... ... Jun-Ho ... Realistically for a Top 6 side we are 5 starting players short. The amount of dead wood in the squad is beyond a joke, you could lose 5/6 players tomorrow and you wouldn't even notice. My only criticism of Schu so far is Cundle. I'm not liking what seeing for the engine room of the pitch and I think he is causing us lots of issues at the moment. I really like Wilmot, when he's at it he can deliver really good ball into midfield. He's probably someone that suffers from being so versatile and gets shuffled about. When looking at the team and seeing what it would take to turn it from a bottom 8 side to a top 6 side. Wilmot is still a player I'd keep, I think that with the right partner I think we could still see improvements from a player of the season.
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Post by Gob Bluth on Jan 31, 2024 13:39:04 GMT
When looking at the players I can't understand why some of our players form can be so streaky; Baker, Leris, Vidigal, Laurent & Campbell & Pearson (from last season), have all had periods of good form in the not too distant past. The ability from these players can be there so is it completely ridiculous to put this on the managers or at least say this isn't ability but it could be mentality?
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Post by kidcrewbob on Jan 31, 2024 13:52:46 GMT
The blame for this sits squarely with the owners for perpetuating the disasterous Neil reign beyond the end of last season and compounded the dire situation further through their sponsorship of a completely mental close-season scatter-gun tranfer splurge on largely entitled, self-important, weak-minded, no-mark journeymen players with mediocre talent and generally poor attitudes - just fucking stark staring raving mad.......SS needs to go the full Pulis with discipline and fitness and instil a run-through-a-wall attitude and engender some real team-spirit and pride in their club - how many of these fuckers are getting out into the community, schools, hospitals, clubs......none as far as I can see
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jan 31, 2024 14:28:52 GMT
Our strikers lean back as they shoot time after time with the predictable result of it going up in the air. Either that or scuffing the shot, it's a training ground issue that needs addressing. It's not rocket science to expect professional footballers to know how to kick a ball. Players who lean back when shooting should be shot,you are told at school,to lean over the ball when shooting,yet so called pro footballers don't do it.
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Post by jokker on Jan 31, 2024 14:45:07 GMT
I just hope that we can unload players and aren't stuck with them for years.With all the loans we have, we were going to need another rebuid in June anyway, but now it looks like an even bigger influx of players will be needed. This is the time that targets should be identified and players tapped up for next season. How many players do we have that we are happy with? We are definitely stuck with Pearson for another 3½ years. With that length and a large pay packet he's not going to ask for a transfer but we don't need him. Unless Neil wants him at his new club, no one will be willing or able to pay out that contract, which we should have known from past experiences not to sign.
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