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Post by maninasuitcase on Jan 12, 2024 9:00:15 GMT
If there was a word worse than hate then i would use it for those gooner scumbags.
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Post by stokecitytalke on Jan 12, 2024 9:16:55 GMT
The Staffordshire Derby is between us and Wolves as Wolverhampton once was part of Staffordshire before 1974. 'The Staffordshire Derby' is any match amongst any of Stoke, Vale & Burton as all are Staffordshire FL based clubs. The 'Old Staffordshire Derby', is when either Stoke, Vale or Burton play matches V Walsall, Wolves & West Brom as these three clubs/districts all used to come under Staffordshire at some point or another in history through time, so are classed as Old Staffordshire rivals. I'd only mentioned Stoke v West Brom as the 'Old Staffordshire Derby' in this thread as they're the only team we currently play in the 'Old Staffordshire Derby'. But same could be said if played Wolves and Walsall aswell. West Bromwich & Walsall are still classed as being in Staffordshire 'Shire County' but in West Midlands Region. Whereas Wolverhampton is only classed as being under Staffordshire as its historic county title, its now fully fledged West Midlands. Walsall and West Bromwich have never been part of Staffordshire, even before local government reorganisation in 1974, wheras Wolverhampton was. I worked for Staffordshire County Council for 31 years drawing maps of the region. As you say Staffordshire, Walsall and West Bromwich are in the West Midlands region.
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Post by Scouse on Jan 12, 2024 10:45:20 GMT
… what other team would the gloves truly come off for and move from a passing interest to giving people sleepless nights if they where in our division , checking on their results , want them to lose every game and dread , but love any game between them ..what other team would people clamour for tickets and accept them in any part of the ground ..
Man U and Arsenal and others is a heightened hatred ,a very real one , but in the main one sided ..sometimes and for some that hatred is truly dark and deep , but that’s not a rivalry ..that’s hatred ..its not all consuming ..it’s not the be all and end all , for the majority it’s pantomime stuff
I might not like it ..I might think it’s small time , I may never even want to play them due to the likely large scale trouble and having to plan my movement and attendance like I did back in the dark days of 70- 80s FV to stay safe .. and the possible damage to our reputation on and off the pitch …but even as an outsider I can see its Vale
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Post by dutchstokie on Jan 12, 2024 11:02:28 GMT
Without a doubt, Port Fail. There's no more depressing feeling than losing to them and beating them is madly celebrated. After that I would plump for Arsenal and Manure. Both hated by most Stokies and to humiliate them is, oh so joyful. OS. By gone semi finals for them 'erberts of "Norf Landen" Selling Sir Jimmy to the shit....unforgivable...just unforgivable
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Post by skip on Jan 12, 2024 11:10:57 GMT
Right now, I don't see us as having rivals - not week to week anyway. Port Vale can only be used as a bar, a very low bar, of where we don't want to be, but they are as close to rivals as it gets I suppose.
Amongst the Big teams? Arsenal. When or if we get to play them again, I want them to absolutely hate the experience. I have developed a real dislike of them. I can bring myself to watch highlights on tv objectively, and acknowledge when they're playing really well, but emotionally, I can't abide anything about them. And those huge red flags they pay kids to waft when they score, Christ alive, they're worse than Leicesters paper clackers and the Crystal Palace Ultra drums combined. Wankers.
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Post by callas12 on Jan 12, 2024 11:26:18 GMT
'The Staffordshire Derby' is any match amongst any of Stoke, Vale & Burton as all are Staffordshire FL based clubs. The 'Old Staffordshire Derby', is when either Stoke, Vale or Burton play matches V Walsall, Wolves & West Brom as these three clubs/districts all used to come under Staffordshire at some point or another in history through time, so are classed as Old Staffordshire rivals. I'd only mentioned Stoke v West Brom as the 'Old Staffordshire Derby' in this thread as they're the only team we currently play in the 'Old Staffordshire Derby'. But same could be said if played Wolves and Walsall aswell. West Bromwich & Walsall are still classed as being in Staffordshire 'Shire County' but in West Midlands Region. Whereas Wolverhampton is only classed as being under Staffordshire as its historic county title, its now fully fledged West Midlands. Walsall and West Bromwich have never been part of Staffordshire, even before local government reorganisation in 1974, wheras Wolverhampton was. I worked for Staffordshire County Council for 31 years drawing maps of the region. As you say Staffordshire, Walsall and West Bromwich are in the West Midlands region. Not disputing your work & 31 years drawing maps is some feat, but I am querying your knowledge of circumstances prior to 1974. Even the 'Staffordshire Historical' write up describes Wolverhampton, Walsall & West Bromwich as being removed from Staffordshire in 1974, not just Wolverhampton as you mention. I also know there are and were areas In both Walsall & West Bromwich that used to display the Staffordshire Knot. *Staffordshire is a landlocked county in the West Midlands of England. It adjoins Cheshire to the north west, Derbyshire and Leicestershire to the east, Warwickshire to the south east, West Midlands and Worcestershire to the south, and Shropshire to the west. The historic county of Staffordshire includes Wolverhampton, Walsall, and West Bromwich, these three being removed for administrative purposes in 1974 to the new West Midlands authority. The resulting administrative area of Staffordshire has a narrow southwards protrusion that runs west of West Midlands to the border of Worcestershire. The city of Stoke-on-Trent was removed from the admin area in the 1990s to form a unitary authority, but is still part of Staffordshire for ceremonial and traditional purposes.*
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Post by skip on Jan 12, 2024 11:38:44 GMT
I worked for Staffordshire County Council for 31 years drawing maps of the region. <skip loves this> Is there an online archive of the re/drawn maps and boundaries?
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Post by alsagerstokie on Jan 12, 2024 11:40:19 GMT
Its not always on location. Ok its not a million miles away but you ask United fans who would they rather beat City or Liverpool. Ask Liverpool fans who would they rather beat Everton or United. Same with Madrid and Barca and their respective neighbours. That’s where the definition of “rivalry” comes into it.. surely a rival by definition is someone you are always competing against and trying to get ahead of. That’s why there’s doubt about the Vale, it’s now quite a fierce local derby and a rivalry of sorts between the fans, but you can hardly say we’re “rivals” in a competitive sense because barring a tiny speck of our respective histories we operate at completely different levels. They’re more like a slightly inadequate little sibling than a rival. Currently say same with Liverpool top and Man U somewhere far down 😆
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Post by J-Roar on Jan 12, 2024 11:42:34 GMT
The only other team we sing about are Port Vale. Doesn't that make them our biggest rival?
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Jan 12, 2024 11:52:03 GMT
The only other team we sing about are Port Vale. Doesn't that make them our biggest rival? Some do . Crewe seem to sing constantly about Stoke, does that make us rivals?
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Post by J-Roar on Jan 12, 2024 14:14:17 GMT
The only other team we sing about are Port Vale. Doesn't that make them our biggest rival? Some do . Crewe seem to sing constantly about Stoke, does that make us rivals? Haha. I'd say a rivalry has to be both ways. Crewe are never mentioned by us but Vale and Stoke are sung about by each other.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Jan 12, 2024 14:18:15 GMT
Some do . Crewe seem to sing constantly about Stoke, does that make us rivals? Haha. I'd say a rivalry has to be both ways. Crewe are never mentioned by us but Vale and Stoke are sung about by each other. Not me but yep are songs about them but hardly in the sense of other clubs rivalries I really don't get it but is far from the rivalries other clubs have. Is a locality thing, little else. Is a bit like an Aston Martin driver mocking a Lada than a rivalry
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Post by J-Roar on Jan 12, 2024 14:22:10 GMT
Haha. I'd say a rivalry has to be both ways. Crewe are never mentioned by us but Vale and Stoke are sung about by each other. Not me but yep are songs about them but hardly in the sense of other clubs rivalries I really don't get it but is far from the rivalries other clubs have. Is a locality thing, little else. Is a bit like an Aston Martin driver mocking a Lada than a rivalry Agree. I'm not from SOT so it's really of no consequence to me.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Jan 12, 2024 14:23:36 GMT
Not me but yep are songs about them but hardly in the sense of other clubs rivalries I really don't get it but is far from the rivalries other clubs have. Is a locality thing, little else. Is a bit like an Aston Martin driver mocking a Lada than a rivalry Agree. I'm not from SOT so it's really of no consequence to me. Yep me neither I guess if you live there maybe different but see them as no different to say Northampton
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 12, 2024 14:34:45 GMT
I think with us it depends on your age.
I'm 36 and very ambivalent towards the Vale. I was a kid during the 90s so saw that rivalry but anyone who's younger than 30, why would they give a shit?
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Post by J-Roar on Jan 12, 2024 14:41:14 GMT
Agree. I'm not from SOT so it's really of no consequence to me. Yep me neither I guess if you live there maybe different but see them as no different to say Northampton Northampton? Now you're talking. I despise those bastards!! And Hartlepool.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Jan 12, 2024 14:42:19 GMT
Yep me neither I guess if you live there maybe different but see them as no different to say Northampton Northampton? Now you're talking. I despise those bastards!! And Hartlepool. 😁 I have a mate supports Northampton. Always keep an eye out for their results do scratch that...I care about Northampton more
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Post by stokecitytalke on Jan 12, 2024 16:49:41 GMT
Walsall and West Bromwich have never been part of Staffordshire, even before local government reorganisation in 1974, wheras Wolverhampton was. I worked for Staffordshire County Council for 31 years drawing maps of the region. As you say Staffordshire, Walsall and West Bromwich are in the West Midlands region. Not disputing your work & 31 years drawing maps is some feat, but I am querying your knowledge of circumstances prior to 1974. Even the 'Staffordshire Historical' write up describes Wolverhampton, Walsall & West Bromwich as being removed from Staffordshire in 1974, not just Wolverhampton as you mention. I also know there are and were areas In both Walsall & West Bromwich that used to display the Staffordshire Knot. *Staffordshire is a landlocked county in the West Midlands of England. It adjoins Cheshire to the north west, Derbyshire and Leicestershire to the east, Warwickshire to the south east, West Midlands and Worcestershire to the south, and Shropshire to the west. The historic county of Staffordshire includes Wolverhampton, Walsall, and West Bromwich, these three being removed for administrative purposes in 1974 to the new West Midlands authority. The resulting administrative area of Staffordshire has a narrow southwards protrusion that runs west of West Midlands to the border of Worcestershire. The city of Stoke-on-Trent was removed from the admin area in the 1990s to form a unitary authority, but is still part of Staffordshire for ceremonial and traditional purposes.* Fair enough, can't argue with those facts! In all my 31 years working for the County Council it never came up that Walsall and West Bromwich were once part of Staffordshire, although Wolverhampton was mentioned.
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Post by stokecitytalke on Jan 12, 2024 16:51:31 GMT
I worked for Staffordshire County Council for 31 years drawing maps of the region. <skip loves this> Is there an online archive of the re/drawn maps and boundaries? I'm sure there must be some on the internet somewhere!
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Post by roylandstoke on Jan 12, 2024 21:43:39 GMT
'The Staffordshire Derby' is any match amongst any of Stoke, Vale & Burton as all are Staffordshire FL based clubs. The 'Old Staffordshire Derby', is when either Stoke, Vale or Burton play matches V Walsall, Wolves & West Brom as these three clubs/districts all used to come under Staffordshire at some point or another in history through time, so are classed as Old Staffordshire rivals. I'd only mentioned Stoke v West Brom as the 'Old Staffordshire Derby' in this thread as they're the only team we currently play in the 'Old Staffordshire Derby'. But same could be said if played Wolves and Walsall aswell. West Bromwich & Walsall are still classed as being in Staffordshire 'Shire County' but in West Midlands Region. Whereas Wolverhampton is only classed as being under Staffordshire as its historic county title, its now fully fledged West Midlands. Walsall and West Bromwich have never been part of Staffordshire, even before local government reorganisation in 1974, wheras Wolverhampton was. I worked for Staffordshire County Council for 31 years drawing maps of the region. As you say Staffordshire, Walsall and West Bromwich are in the West Midlands region. My mother in law, born and bred Walsall, refused to ever give her address as West Mids, and claimed to have lived in Staffordshire her whole life.
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Post by bloodtypered on Jan 12, 2024 21:55:42 GMT
Some of the fans
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