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Post by raythesailor on Jan 11, 2024 11:50:18 GMT
Some geography must come into it. I know a few Derby fans in the Uttoxeter area who violently despise us whilst I am sure many Derbyfans living near Nottingham or Leicester for example probably never give us a second thought.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jan 11, 2024 12:21:20 GMT
Stockport because the Stein incident. Animosity as a result of a specific incident isn't rivalry. Rivalry goes deeper and has more to do with proximity and crossing swords on a regular basis. A good rule of thumb is that if a number of families are divided by their affiliation to the same two clubs then it's a rivalry.
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Post by northstaffycher on Jan 11, 2024 12:40:59 GMT
There was a always a big rivalry (from our side anyway) with Man United. Let's face it we're in the middle between Brum and The Shit so lots of clubs a similar distance to us including Liverpool, Derby, Forest et al. I hate Man U so that's always a big one for me.
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Post by dirtclod on Jan 11, 2024 13:08:17 GMT
I'd set the players up like this - whomever we're playing next is our biggest rival.
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Post by Gob Bluth on Jan 11, 2024 13:20:13 GMT
I know it's partly because of their Herbert presence online but Arsenal still find time to hate us despite all the things they've got going on in their life.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Jan 11, 2024 13:21:18 GMT
You are kidding yourself if you don't consider vale a rival. How many did we take to an U21 game at their place a few years back? If you thought for a second that a Potteries Derby wouldn't be the scene of carnage should we ever be in the same league or drawn in a cup match your kidding yourself. Much like if you ask Millwall or West Ham. Maybe not everyone cares about them and they're not kidding themselves
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Post by Block 26 on Jan 11, 2024 13:22:53 GMT
We’ve only got one rival really & that is the vale. The rivalry has died out over the years with them not being anywhere near to us but if we drew them in the cup then there would be carnage.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Jan 11, 2024 13:23:24 GMT
Getting so wound up over a lower league side who have little relevance apart from locality might be a reason for them to take the piss to be fair What you have to take in account when we got relagated in 189 -90 I think Vale finished 11th in championship and we had 3 seasons below them So? Lots of teams have finished above us after we've been relegated. Doesn't make them some kind of rival
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Post by Ron on Jan 11, 2024 18:20:22 GMT
Vale , WBA, Wolves. However- over the years we’ve had some short term hatred with the likes of Stockport and Arsenal to the extent that I’d say the hatred between us and arsenal is really up there post the leg break. In recent years- the atmosphere at the arsenal games has been something else. Although those times are becoming less and less recent sadly. For some of us of a certain vintage, the rivalry with Arsenal is certainly not short term. As I celebrate my 61st birthday today it goes back more than 50 years. I’ll never get over how we were cheated out of two FA cup finals in the semi’s v Arsenal. indeed. I’ve had the tales from my old man as a kid of the 80’s!!!
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Post by Fred Merger on Jan 11, 2024 18:25:16 GMT
Having been brought up in Uttoxeter, it was always pretty much split between Stoke & Derby. Apart from the usual glory hunting bastards that supported Liverpool. So beating Derby always has been the one for me.
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Post by jzime on Jan 11, 2024 19:07:54 GMT
There was a always a big rivalry (from our side anyway) with Man United. Let's face it we're in the middle between Brum and The Shit so lots of clubs a similar distance to us including Liverpool, Derby, Forest et al. I hate Man U so that's always a big one for me. To be fair, Stoke claiming to have a 'rivalry' with Man United would probably come across to them in a similar way it would to us if Burton or Shrewsbury claimed to have a rivalry with Stoke. If some random third or fourth division side in the West Midlands claimed they hated Stoke, it would barely register to me; I'd just see it as a little club wanting to imagine some beef with a big one. Man United and Liverpool are the two biggest clubs in the country, nobody really likes them and everybody wants to beat them every time they play; I imagine most of that hate from what they see as small clubs barely registers to them either. Outside of Vale - who we never play - I've always thought of our biggest 'rivals' as West Brom and Wolves. Partly because of geography, but partly because we've generally been in or around the same divisions as them across the 21st Century, and it has often felt like there was a bit at steak when we played them. I don't particularly consider either of them massive rivals though. I don't ruminate on it for weeks on end if we lose to them, and for me I think that's what a real rivalry is. If we ever did draw Vale in an early round of a cup one year, it would be the must-win of all must-win game. The thought of losing to them would almost be a bit anxiety-inducing. The thought of Vale supporting friends or family members rubbing in in a victory against for weeks and weeks to come would is sickening and unacceptable. I suppose that level of feeling is what a real rivalry is, and I honestly don't feel that way about WBA, Wolves, Derby, Cov, Brum etc. etc. They're nice fixtures to win for some friendly bragging rights and banter, but they're not rivalries I couldn't stand the thought of losing. Vale are our only real rivals because it's out own real local fixture. I don't like the idea of losing to Crewe though, either.
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Post by OldStokie on Jan 11, 2024 19:43:19 GMT
Without a doubt, Port Fail. There's no more depressing feeling than losing to them and beating them is madly celebrated.
After that I would plump for Arsenal and Manure. Both hated by most Stokies and to humiliate them is, oh so joyful.
OS.
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Post by alsagerstokie on Jan 11, 2024 19:59:34 GMT
Its not always on location. Ok its not a million miles away but you ask United fans who would they rather beat City or Liverpool.
Ask Liverpool fans who would they rather beat Everton or United.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Jan 11, 2024 20:10:13 GMT
Vale all day, every day. No real question and to me because it’s about mutual hatred. I think we probably hate West Brom equally, Arsenal too. Cardiff used to be in that mix but they’ve mellowed.
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Post by mtrstudent on Jan 11, 2024 20:15:44 GMT
Vale all day, every day. No real question and to me because it’s about mutual hatred. I think we probably hate West Brom equally, Arsenal too. Cardiff used to be in that mix but they’ve mellowed. I still have a deep dislike of arsenal. Feels like they were the first of the big teams to really bring being a weak whining bitch into English football. Yeah other players did it, but iirc arsenal industrialised it.
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Post by SteveWyman on Jan 11, 2024 21:28:31 GMT
After that I would plump for Arsenal and Manure. Both hated by most Stokies and to humiliate them is, oh so joyful. OS. Which made the 84/85 season almost tolerable, in a dark and twisted kind of way
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Post by lstokie on Jan 11, 2024 21:43:29 GMT
What you have to take in account when we got relagated in 189 -90 I think Vale finished 11th in championship and we had 3 seasons below them So? Lots of teams have finished above us after we've been relegated. Doesn't make them some kind of rival Only on the internet would you find people trying to convince themselves and others that Vale aren't Stoke's biggest rivals.
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Post by blackpoolred on Jan 11, 2024 21:55:14 GMT
I was doing a bit of work in Newcastle during our hay days(Pulis years) and remember walking into an office full of Stoke haters - women/men gesticulating how much they despised us - I loved it, I was so proud - as I was only there a couple of days I just kept quiet and listened - I did leave them a Stoke mug in the canteen:)
I am guessing Arsenal hated us after the Ramsey incident and daring to turn them over every season at the Brit.
Now we are just a nothing club again and I don't think anybody knows we exist anymore. As somebody who started watching in the late 60's early 70's I have a particular dislike for Arsenal and Leeds - as a few might have who watched us in that era.
But I don't think we have an actual rival - probably not a team in all 4 leagues(Vale apart) that would probably see us as an arch enemy and the same going the other way
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Jan 11, 2024 22:00:19 GMT
So? Lots of teams have finished above us after we've been relegated. Doesn't make them some kind of rival Only on the internet would you find people trying to convince themselves and others that Vale aren't Stoke's biggest rivals. A lower league side we play every decade at a push you mean and rarely in our history. Try and convince yourself that doesn't happen No one is trying to convince themselves of anything ..just seeing the facts and have absolutely no interest in them at all so again no convincing needed. I don't even know who their manager is and care even less. That convincing myself ? Hope that explains things 👍
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Post by lordb on Jan 11, 2024 22:02:21 GMT
After that I would plump for Arsenal and Manure. Both hated by most Stokies and to humiliate them is, oh so joyful. OS. Which made the 84/85 season almost tolerable, in a dark and twisted kind of way Very very dark
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Post by stokecitytalke on Jan 11, 2024 22:11:27 GMT
As has been mentioned before, any Stokies South of Stone see Wolves as our biggest rival & always have. Staffords a pretty even split town between Stoke & Wolves fans. Express and Stars sold in the southern side of the town, whilst the Sentinels sold in the northern parts. There was a time more back in the 80's or 90's when pubs were known as either Stoke or Wolves pubs dotted around the town aswell.. As for more recent match ups due to league status, suppose that'll be WBA or Birmingham City. Stoke v WBA is known as the old Staffordshire Derby! The Staffordshire Derby is between us and Wolves as Wolverhampton once was part of Staffordshire before 1974.
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Post by marylandstoke on Jan 11, 2024 22:18:03 GMT
Stockport because the Stein incident. Millwall because of the pub sign incident
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Post by marylandstoke on Jan 11, 2024 22:19:49 GMT
Vale all day, every day. No real question and to me because it’s about mutual hatred. I think we probably hate West Brom equally, Arsenal too. Cardiff used to be in that mix but they’ve mellowed. I still have a deep dislike of arsenal. Feels like they were the first of the big teams to really bring bring a weak whining bitch into English football. Yeah other players did it, but iirc arsenal industrialised it. And Bournemouth weaponised it.
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Post by fortressbritannia on Jan 11, 2024 22:27:27 GMT
We're probably in a bit of a weird place in terms of rivals.
Vale and Crewe probably hate us, and I reckon they'd both class us as their biggest rivals if we were all in the same league. Currently we couldn't give a shit about them it's been the best part of 20 years since we played either of them.
Wolves, West Brom, Birmingham, Derby all probably class us in their top 5 rivals maybe even top 3 but realistically they have a couple of other teams they class bigger rivals. While playing those teams have arguably been our biggest games in terms of rival we aren't theirs.
Though I reckon if supporters were to name a top 10 of rivals we'd feature heavily in a lot of teams
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Post by maninasuitcase on Jan 11, 2024 22:35:23 GMT
In the prem it was definitely those cunty gooners, along with the shit and the dippers.
My loathing of all 3 continues to this day even though we havent played them for a while now.
Obviously more locally the vile, the dingles, and those blue nose twats are the more obvious rivals. I wouldn't give crwho the steam off my piss.
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Post by roylandstoke on Jan 11, 2024 23:01:31 GMT
I fucking hate Arsenal.
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Post by callas12 on Jan 11, 2024 23:46:33 GMT
As has been mentioned before, any Stokies South of Stone see Wolves as our biggest rival & always have. Staffords a pretty even split town between Stoke & Wolves fans. Express and Stars sold in the southern side of the town, whilst the Sentinels sold in the northern parts. There was a time more back in the 80's or 90's when pubs were known as either Stoke or Wolves pubs dotted around the town aswell.. As for more recent match ups due to league status, suppose that'll be WBA or Birmingham City. Stoke v WBA is known as the old Staffordshire Derby! The Staffordshire Derby is between us and Wolves as Wolverhampton once was part of Staffordshire before 1974. 'The Staffordshire Derby' is any match amongst any of Stoke, Vale & Burton as all are Staffordshire FL based clubs. The 'Old Staffordshire Derby', is when either Stoke, Vale or Burton play matches V Walsall, Wolves & West Brom as these three clubs/districts all used to come under Staffordshire at some point or another in history through time, so are classed as Old Staffordshire rivals. I'd only mentioned Stoke v West Brom as the 'Old Staffordshire Derby' in this thread as they're the only team we currently play in the 'Old Staffordshire Derby'. But same could be said if played Wolves and Walsall aswell. West Bromwich & Walsall are still classed as being in Staffordshire 'Shire County' but in West Midlands Region. Whereas Wolverhampton is only classed as being under Staffordshire as its historic county title, its now fully fledged West Midlands.
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Post by PotterLog on Jan 12, 2024 1:15:28 GMT
Its not always on location. Ok its not a million miles away but you ask United fans who would they rather beat City or Liverpool. Ask Liverpool fans who would they rather beat Everton or United. Same with Madrid and Barca and their respective neighbours. That’s where the definition of “rivalry” comes into it.. surely a rival by definition is someone you are always competing against and trying to get ahead of. That’s why there’s doubt about the Vale, it’s now quite a fierce local derby and a rivalry of sorts between the fans, but you can hardly say we’re “rivals” in a competitive sense because barring a tiny speck of our respective histories we operate at completely different levels. They’re more like a slightly inadequate little sibling than a rival.
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Post by penkhullite on Jan 12, 2024 2:23:21 GMT
As a 40 something, it's Vale, without a doubt.
We were worlds away 10 years ago and almost everyone forgot about them, hate to admit it, never could! We've moved sideways and worse, but a derby against them bastards twice a year? I'd love it!
Another fan reset to understand what it is to be Stoke is needed! My 12 year old has no connection. Couldn't name a player. Hates them...and so he should!
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jan 12, 2024 3:23:40 GMT
Vale for me. Absolutely hate the fuckers and they hate us, just how it should be. Outside of them it's the shit who I don't think would give us a thought but I will always hate them and their glory hunting fans. Mentions for Wolves, Brum and Cardiff aswell who can all piss off.
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