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Post by nottsover60 on Jan 6, 2024 19:44:56 GMT
Happy enough with us today but I don't know if I have ever seen a more useless waste of a Jersey than Weskey,he actually cleared one of our better attacks When I saw him trying to take the pen I feared for people in the Boothen. Was he trying to take the pen? Looked like it at one point, he had the ball and was walking towards the spot. I think he's a bit of a prankster though and was trying to make them decide who was going to take it by threatening to take on the responsibility himself.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 6, 2024 19:54:22 GMT
He was shit and we conceded 4 because the defence was shit. Another game highlighting nicely what needs to change. Too simplistic, we didn't concede any when Hoever was RCB in a three. During that period he was very good. He was still all over the shop though and left so much space throughout the game. He was awful. Along with the rest of the defence bar Mccarron who looked surprisingly sharp I thought.
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Post by clarkeda on Jan 6, 2024 19:55:18 GMT
If we have expectations of playing in the Premiership again,we need a complete new defence,this defence frightens me to death,the amount of times they give the ball back to the opposing side when under pressure is criminal. Plus they are suspect to any pace,no good us scoring 2 or 3 goals,if we end up letting in 3 or 4. Harsh to judge today. In Leris and Johnson we had two wingers playing wing back and lost Leris before half time and Rose at half time which meant two reshuffles. Any manager will tell you it's not good to have to reshuffle your defence during a game. We may have kept our lead until half time if we hadn't picked up those injuries. I think de Zerbi realised that our wing backs were not defenders and at half time instructed Brighton to exploit the space they were leaving on the wings. Leris was pushing thier lb/lwb backwards and winning everything physically. Second half Vidigal wasn’t in the same post code as thier lb/LWB
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Post by stokiejoe on Jan 6, 2024 20:03:38 GMT
Pleased with how we played even though we list Also glad that Schuey let the younger players get on the pitch, it was a risk but the game was over bar the shouting
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Jan 6, 2024 20:09:33 GMT
Pleased with how we played even though we list Also glad that Schuey let the younger players get on the pitch, it was a risk but the game was over bar the shouting Yep..great to see. We could have played our strongest side, maybe scraped a fortunate draw even with luck but learn nothing from that.
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Post by telfordstokie on Jan 6, 2024 20:29:12 GMT
Sorry but I agree with the naysayers on today. We did better than expected but when Brighton went up a gear they beat us very easily and we barely touched the ball last 15 to 20 minutes. It’s criminal how far behind we are a team who should really be our peers. Thought Johnson was woeful too. Not judging Schumacher on it but not convinced the praise today is that merited. Why exactly should we be peers with Brighton? We have a similar sized fan base, history, have got some of the richest owners in the football league and were literally achieving consecutive top half Premier League finishes less than a decade ago. That’s why. (And yes I know we are miles off that right now - that’s exactly what I’m moaning about!)
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Post by vamborools on Jan 6, 2024 20:37:23 GMT
Mcnally came on in the 47th minute for Leris, then he just covered his bollocks and turned his head away instead of charging at the shot And when was the first goal scored? 45 + 6 minute
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jan 6, 2024 20:39:25 GMT
Why exactly should we be peers with Brighton? We have a similar sized fan base, history, have got some of the richest owners in the football league and were literally achieving consecutive top half Premier League finishes less than a decade ago. That’s why. (And yes I know we are miles off that right now - that’s exactly what I’m moaning about!) historically we are a far bigger club than Brighton,but that means nothing now. If you get in the premier you become massive. Bournemouth are a bigger club than us right now
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Post by cvillestokie on Jan 6, 2024 21:12:49 GMT
Oh absolutely he should have mate, and who was the other muppet who along with DJ contrived to miss that beautiful cut back from Bae in the centre? Absolute certain goal and they left it for each other. Just thought that they visibly relaxed when Wes went off and we never got another sniff. That was Daniel Johnson who was awful today. We had two very easy chances we missed today at key times. Wesley had a free header from 8 yards out and should have headed across the keeper, Johnson and haksa got in each other's way and stopped a certain goal. If we'd got either one of those the game would have been very different. Johnson was at fault for their goal when he didn't go out to face up to the player putting in the cross. He was awful Not sure how “free” it was but I do remember thinking that there was naff all pace on the cross.
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Post by cvillestokie on Jan 6, 2024 21:14:31 GMT
Leris going off didnt help Correct. Today Schumacher learnt Vidigal absolutely cannot play RWB. They should have gone to a back 4 at that point. I was annoyed because he went down pretending he was hurt, then he was taken off as a precaution. If he wasn’t such a pathetic little cheat in the first place, he wouldn’t have got subbed.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 6, 2024 21:15:45 GMT
At least Sunderland losing means our game up there on 4th round day can go ahead and there won't be a blank weekend.
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Post by stokiedan17 on Jan 6, 2024 21:17:51 GMT
Too simplistic, we didn't concede any when Hoever was RCB in a three. During that period he was very good. He was still all over the shop though and left so much space throughout the game. He was awful. Along with the rest of the defence bar Mccarron who looked surprisingly sharp I thought. I think it just kind of showed what we know. We’ve got good enough defenders to get by I championship. But if we are to really press on we need better. Just shows the gulf between us a premier league at the minute. Also agree about mccarron. Though he looked quite good albeit it on a very limited showing. Thought his passing and movement were were sharp and looked quite solid. With a lack of fit left backs he could do a job if he could replicate that performance for 90 mins
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Post by Picasso on Jan 6, 2024 21:33:02 GMT
Why exactly should we be peers with Brighton? We have a similar sized fan base, history, have got some of the richest owners in the football league and were literally achieving consecutive top half Premier League finishes less than a decade ago. That’s why. (And yes I know we are miles off that right now - that’s exactly what I’m moaning about!) You’re on the right lines, but historically, we are far bigger than Brighton. Our fanbase is traditionally bigger, too. Our current respective league positions distorts this fact though. .
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Post by senojbor on Jan 6, 2024 21:36:55 GMT
We really enjoyed the game. Couldn't ask for more from the players. Zillion times better than anything the previous manager could serve up.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2024 21:52:10 GMT
Disagree. They were better in every single position on the pitch mate. As you'd expect from a team in seventh in the Premier. I didn't think Burger or Junho looked too far off though. I wouldn't disagree with that to be honest, I was just disagreeing with Glasgows statement that the only difference between the two teams was up front.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2024 21:57:08 GMT
Their defence coped with our attack much better than our defence coped with their attack. So that's two areas on the pitch that they bettered us in. Their midfield played well, and so did ours, but theirs had more impact on the outcome of the game so there's another area of the pitch they bettered us in. The only area left is the goalies, and ours conceded 4 goals and theirs 2, so you could argue theirs had the better game, although Iverson wasn't really at fault for any of their goals,even if I thought he should have done better with Pedro's header. They are a top Premier league side, so there was no shame in the way we lost today, and in my opinion we played well in the main, but we're just beaten by a miles better football side. I completely disagree, we had the big moments in the game before they did. Wesley missed an easy chance, haks and Johnson messed up a certain goal. Only near the end did it appear they were in control. It was a very fine line today, definitely not a huge gulf in class as you suggested We did play well mate and I don't disagree that we had some good chances, but once they came out in the 2nd half they cut through us at will and we never looked like beating them, whilst they racked up 3 goals. Even when we got the equaliser they didn't look panicked and kicked on to score 2 more. I'm not knocking our performance, as we played well and gave a much better performance against them than last seasons effort, I'm just highlighting the big gulf in class, which is understandable considering where both teams are at the minute.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jan 6, 2024 23:04:12 GMT
We have a similar sized fan base, history, have got some of the richest owners in the football league and were literally achieving consecutive top half Premier League finishes less than a decade ago. That’s why. (And yes I know we are miles off that right now - that’s exactly what I’m moaning about!) You’re on the right lines, but historically, we are far bigger than Brighton. Our fanbase is traditionally bigger, too. Our current respective league positions distorts this fact though. . It means fuck all. Until everyone realises to all and intent and purpose we are a pretty shit Championship side we are going to carry on looking like what we are - deluded fuckwits so far up our our own arses we'll never realize we've become what we used to take the piss out of. Behaving like an Arsenal fan doesn't make your team Arsenal. It just means your are are a twat without an anything remotely like an excuse for being one.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Jan 6, 2024 23:23:46 GMT
I completely disagree, we had the big moments in the game before they did. Wesley missed an easy chance, haks and Johnson messed up a certain goal. Only near the end did it appear they were in control. It was a very fine line today, definitely not a huge gulf in class as you suggested We did play well mate and I don't disagree that we had some good chances, but once they came out in the 2nd half they cut through us at will and we never looked like beating them, whilst they racked up 3 goals. Even when we got the equaliser they didn't look panicked and kicked on to score 2 more. I'm not knocking our performance, as we played well and gave a much better performance against them than last seasons effort, I'm just highlighting the big gulf in class, which is understandable considering where both teams are at the minute. The gulf can be closed in a season after promotion as we saw last time . First step is getting there
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jan 6, 2024 23:28:29 GMT
We did play well mate and I don't disagree that we had some good chances, but once they came out in the 2nd half they cut through us at will and we never looked like beating them, whilst they racked up 3 goals. Even when we got the equaliser they didn't look panicked and kicked on to score 2 more. I'm not knocking our performance, as we played well and gave a much better performance against them than last seasons effort, I'm just highlighting the big gulf in class, which is understandable considering where both teams are at the minute. The gulf can be closed in a season after promotion as we saw last time . First step is getting there My whole original point is that you would close that gulf by putting Pedro in red and white stripes. I stand by that. Stoke really need a proper striker, we haven't had one for years. Sign that player and we will get promotion
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Post by Picasso on Jan 6, 2024 23:30:54 GMT
You’re on the right lines, but historically, we are far bigger than Brighton. Our fanbase is traditionally bigger, too. Our current respective league positions distorts this fact though. . It means fuck all. Until everyone realises to all and intent and purpose we are a pretty shit Championship side we are going to carry on looking like what we are - deluded fuckwits so far up our our own arses we'll never realize we've become what we used to take the piss out of. Behaving like an Arsenal fan doesn't make your team Arsenal. It just means your are are a twat without an anything remotely like an excuse for being one. Are you ok? I just mentioned a couple of facts in response to what Telfordstokie said. I’ve no delusions about who we are or where we are. I don’t know what you’ve read to suggest that we’re ‘deluded fuckwits’ etc. but there’s no need, really - We’re all Stoke fans and I don’t think anyone is confused about our current position or our status historically. Comparing to Arsenal fans is a step too far, mind.
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Post by BristolMick on Jan 6, 2024 23:47:38 GMT
Spot on. Competed well, just a massive gulf in class. There was a time when we were the Premier League team and they came up here and we coasted to a 3-0 win, think it was the season we reached the final. How times have changed And will change again BM
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Post by apb1 on Jan 7, 2024 0:01:17 GMT
Birmingham drew so replay for them before we play them
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jan 7, 2024 0:17:50 GMT
We were the better side until Leris went off then we lost our shape and the game plan seemed to be lost.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 7, 2024 0:19:35 GMT
The gulf can be closed in a season after promotion as we saw last time . First step is getting there My whole original point is that you would close that gulf by putting Pedro in red and white stripes. I stand by that. Stoke really need a proper striker, we haven't had one for years. Sign that player and we will get promotion Anyone got a spare £30m down the back of the sofa?
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Post by nottsover60 on Jan 7, 2024 0:25:26 GMT
I completely disagree, we had the big moments in the game before they did. Wesley missed an easy chance, haks and Johnson messed up a certain goal. Only near the end did it appear they were in control. It was a very fine line today, definitely not a huge gulf in class as you suggested We did play well mate and I don't disagree that we had some good chances, but once they came out in the 2nd half they cut through us at will and we never looked like beating them, whilst they racked up 3 goals. Even when we got the equaliser they didn't look panicked and kicked on to score 2 more. I'm not knocking our performance, as we played well and gave a much better performance against them than last seasons effort, I'm just highlighting the big gulf in class, which is understandable considering where both teams are at the minute. It was highlighted on Friday by Shumacher, how good Zerbi is at changing formation mid game, and that is exactly what happened. Harsh to expect Stoke to be anywhere near that as they are only just getting to grips with the way the new manager wants them to play.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Jan 7, 2024 0:25:45 GMT
The gulf can be closed in a season after promotion as we saw last time . First step is getting there My whole original point is that you would close that gulf by putting Pedro in red and white stripes. I stand by that. Stoke really need a proper striker, we haven't had one for years. Sign that player and we will get promotion Every team wants a goalscorer
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Post by pushon on Jan 7, 2024 0:38:48 GMT
We lack strength defensively, yet still play Hoever, which diminishes the chance of conceding even more.
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Post by theonlooker on Jan 7, 2024 7:05:29 GMT
My whole original point is that you would close that gulf by putting Pedro in red and white stripes. I stand by that. Stoke really need a proper striker, we haven't had one for years. Sign that player and we will get promotion Anyone got a spare £30m down the back of the sofa? The family have ten times that and more but are not allowed to spend it...
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Post by mattador78 on Jan 7, 2024 9:26:43 GMT
As you'd expect from a team in seventh in the Premier. I didn't think Burger or Junho looked too far off though. I wouldn't disagree with that to be honest, I was just disagreeing with Glasgows statement that the only difference between the two teams was up front. I think the biggest difference was cohesion. The majority of the players knew exactly where to be and how to play to the style. For us a minority of players knew their role. Some of our players I don’t think will adapt and will have to be moved on
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jan 7, 2024 10:11:34 GMT
Anyone got a spare £30m down the back of the sofa? The family have ten times that and more but are not allowed to spend it... They have a lot more than 10 times that!! But I get your point.
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