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Post by fca47 on Jan 6, 2024 18:36:31 GMT
Overall I think we played quite well, their first goal came out of nothing and at the wrong time, as far as Stoke were concerned. Very disappointed with the two headed goals, poor defending. But Schumacker should take some credit for not just trying to defend.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Jan 6, 2024 18:40:38 GMT
The defence were appalling but they were against a good side. Hoever really shouldn’t be playing for us. He was truly atrocious today. Enjoyable game though. And we gave it a good go. He was very good until the reshuffle. I agree , was pretty good until then
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Post by baconburger on Jan 6, 2024 18:50:31 GMT
Thought we played well , the manager went for it, never any thought of a defensive display They’re a top 10 Prem side and in the end it showed. Some solid performances, notably Burger and Junho That type of display will see us in the top 6 eventually Very decent particularly first half Burger was as good as anything on the pitch.
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Post by Scrotnig on Jan 6, 2024 18:52:06 GMT
For all the positive mood music, we still haven't scored a non-pen/OG home goal since October 21st. Which takes some doing We are still a long long way from being any good. All this “weren’t we wonderful” despite shipping four….again….is embarrassing. At least half the team simply showed they’re never going to be good enough.
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Post by skemstokie on Jan 6, 2024 18:54:52 GMT
Mcnally needs press quicker for the 1st, and loses dunk for 2nd, piss poor from him. Shouldn't be gifting teams of Brightons quality goals, they must earn it. How could he press for the first goal when he is on the bench?
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Post by mickstupp on Jan 6, 2024 18:56:05 GMT
For all the positive mood music, we still haven't scored a non-pen/OG home goal since October 21st. Which takes some doing We are still a long long way from being any good. All this “weren’t we wonderful” despite shipping four….again….is embarrassing. At least half the team simply showed they’re never going to be good enough. Same. I certainly didn’t leave the ground smiling. I left the ground thinking we’ve still got a lot of work to do to even stay in the championship. Holes and issues all over the pitch.
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Post by clarkeda on Jan 6, 2024 18:58:11 GMT
Thought we played well , the manager went for it, never any thought of a defensive display They’re a top 10 Prem side and in the end it showed. Some solid performances, notably Burger and Junho That type of display will see us in the top 6 eventually We more then gave a very good side (and one of the highest rated managers in football) a game today. We could have been out of site bar a worldie goal from them. They big thing is they took their chances and we didn’t take ours. But play against championship clubs like that and we are going to flatten someone for 6.
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Post by clarkeda on Jan 6, 2024 18:59:09 GMT
Leris going off didnt help Correct. Today Schumacher learnt Vidigal absolutely cannot play RWB.
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Post by baconburger on Jan 6, 2024 19:00:02 GMT
He was very good until the reshuffle. At RCB? He was never in position. In your opinion which has nothing to do with how the manager had asked him to play. If any manager was that unhappy with what he was doing they’d take him off. At the end of the day he’s not meant to be playing to your instructions or game plans. You really are a self important fool.
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Post by vamborools on Jan 6, 2024 19:06:36 GMT
Mcnally needs press quicker for the 1st, and loses dunk for 2nd, piss poor from him. Shouldn't be gifting teams of Brightons quality goals, they must earn it. How could he press for the first goal when he is on the bench? Mcnally came on in the 47th minute for Leris, then he just covered his bollocks and turned his head away instead of charging at the shot
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 6, 2024 19:07:17 GMT
At RCB? He was never in position. In your opinion which has nothing to do with how the manager had asked him to play. If any manager was that unhappy with what he was doing they’d take him off. At the end of the day he’s not meant to be playing to your instructions or game plans. You really are a self important fool. He was shit and we conceded 4 because the defence was shit. Another game highlighting nicely what needs to change.
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Post by telfordstokie on Jan 6, 2024 19:11:13 GMT
Sorry but I agree with the naysayers on today. We did better than expected but when Brighton went up a gear they beat us very easily and we barely touched the ball last 15 to 20 minutes. It’s criminal how far behind we are a team who should really be our peers. Thought Johnson was woeful too.
Not judging Schumacher on it but not convinced the praise today is that merited.
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Post by numpty40 on Jan 6, 2024 19:13:05 GMT
In your opinion which has nothing to do with how the manager had asked him to play. If any manager was that unhappy with what he was doing they’d take him off. At the end of the day he’s not meant to be playing to your instructions or game plans. You really are a self important fool. He was shit and we conceded 4 because the defence was shit. Another game highlighting nicely what needs to change. Too simplistic, we didn't concede any when Hoever was RCB in a three. During that period he was very good.
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Post by baconburger on Jan 6, 2024 19:14:31 GMT
In your opinion which has nothing to do with how the manager had asked him to play. If any manager was that unhappy with what he was doing they’d take him off. At the end of the day he’s not meant to be playing to your instructions or game plans. You really are a self important fool. He was shit and we conceded 4 because the defence was shit. Another game highlighting nicely what needs to change. OK professor moron.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 6, 2024 19:16:23 GMT
Sorry but I agree with the naysayers on today. We did better than expected but when Brighton went up a gear they beat us very easily and we barely touched the ball last 15 to 20 minutes. It’s criminal how far behind we are a team who should really be our peers. Thought Johnson was woeful too. Not judging Schumacher on it but not convinced the praise today is that merited. Don't think it's as much positivity as a reaction to unmerited negativity (been a bit surprised by the general reaction on twitter and elsewhere) Go through our XI (Rose, Johnson, McCarron, Wes etc) and is it any surprise we can't beat a team that've beaten Spurs, Marseille and Ajax in the last 4-5 weeks. Without looking amazing, I'm surprised there isn't more of a consensus that we did well for 70 minutes.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jan 6, 2024 19:16:32 GMT
Their defence coped with our attack much better than our defence coped with their attack. So that's two areas on the pitch that they bettered us in. Their midfield played well, and so did ours, but theirs had more impact on the outcome of the game so there's another area of the pitch they bettered us in. The only area left is the goalies, and ours conceded 4 goals and theirs 2, so you could argue theirs had the better game, although Iverson wasn't really at fault for any of their goals,even if I thought he should have done better with Pedro's header. They are a top Premier league side, so there was no shame in the way we lost today, and in my opinion we played well in the main, but we're just beaten by a miles better football side. I completely disagree, we had the big moments in the game before they did. Wesley missed an easy chance, haks and Johnson messed up a certain goal. Only near the end did it appear they were in control. It was a very fine line today, definitely not a huge gulf in class as you suggested
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Post by skemstokie on Jan 6, 2024 19:20:07 GMT
How could he press for the first goal when he is on the bench? Mcnally came on in the 47th minute for Leris, then he just covered his bollocks and turned his head away instead of charging at the shot And when was the first goal scored?
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Post by thanksjon on Jan 6, 2024 19:20:33 GMT
Happy enough with us today but I don't know if I have ever seen a more useless waste of a Jersey than Weskey,he actually cleared one of our better attacks When I saw him trying to take the pen I feared for people in the Boothen. Was he trying to take the pen? Yes,Baker,Johnson and Wesley were all wrestling for the ball thankfully common sense prevailed.
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Post by dirtclod on Jan 6, 2024 19:20:45 GMT
In your opinion which has nothing to do with how the manager had asked him to play. If any manager was that unhappy with what he was doing they’d take him off. At the end of the day he’s not meant to be playing to your instructions or game plans. You really are a self important fool. He was shit and we conceded 4 because the defence was shit. Another game highlighting nicely what needs to change. Actually, I see your point - most of our "goalkeeping issues" have been with the defence in front of it. (Did I get "defence" right this time?) I saw nothing that would lead me to bench Iversen today. As I said in the other thread, I'd have started Bonham just to give Iversen a full week of training before he plays in the first league match. And the game DID highlight what needs to change. And it's been the same issues all along.
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Post by Gods on Jan 6, 2024 19:21:48 GMT
I'm very disappointed as I always am on FA Cup exit day.
Heaven knows I've live through enough FA Cup exits and they don't get any easier.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Jan 6, 2024 19:22:06 GMT
Was he trying to take the pen? Yes,Baker,Johnson and Wesley were all wrestling for the ball thankfully common sense prevailed. didn't see Wesley personally but he might be a good pen taker. Seems we have 2 in DJ and Baker and Ben daft for someone else to take.
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Post by stiggerstackle on Jan 6, 2024 19:24:16 GMT
Sorry but I agree with the naysayers on today. We did better than expected but when Brighton went up a gear they beat us very easily and we barely touched the ball last 15 to 20 minutes. It’s criminal how far behind we are a team who should really be our peers. Thought Johnson was woeful too. Not judging Schumacher on it but not convinced the praise today is that merited. Don't think it's as much positivity as a reaction to unmerited negativity (been a bit surprised by the general reaction on twitter and elsewhere) Go through our XI (Rose, Johnson, McCarron, Wes etc) and is it any surprise we can't beat a team that've beaten Spurs, Marseille and Ajax in the last 4-5 weeks. Without looking amazing, I'm surprised there isn't more of a consensus that we did well for 70 minutes. I’m stunned by the negativity - Stoke today v Stoke a month ago is like night and day. Not saying we’re suddenly world beaters, but anybody not enjoying the footy on offer at the moment must spend their lives seeking things to suck the joy out of.
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Post by telfordstokie on Jan 6, 2024 19:26:43 GMT
Sorry but I agree with the naysayers on today. We did better than expected but when Brighton went up a gear they beat us very easily and we barely touched the ball last 15 to 20 minutes. It’s criminal how far behind we are a team who should really be our peers. Thought Johnson was woeful too. Not judging Schumacher on it but not convinced the praise today is that merited. Don't think it's as much positivity as a reaction to unmerited negativity (been a bit surprised by the general reaction on twitter and elsewhere) Go through our XI (Rose, Johnson, McCarron, Wes etc) and is it any surprise we can't beat a team that've beaten Spurs, Marseille and Ajax in the last 4-5 weeks. Without looking amazing, I'm surprised there isn't more of a consensus that we did well for 70 minutes. Yeah fair point - Joao Pedro obviously cost more on his own than our entire squad so I get that. Was more reacting to some of the earlier posts on this thread acting like we were amazing when I personally thought we got pretty soundly beaten in the end.
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Post by Scrotnig on Jan 6, 2024 19:29:32 GMT
In your opinion which has nothing to do with how the manager had asked him to play. If any manager was that unhappy with what he was doing they’d take him off. At the end of the day he’s not meant to be playing to your instructions or game plans. You really are a self important fool. He was shit and we conceded 4 because the defence was shit. Another game highlighting nicely what needs to change. I don’t always agree with you but this is correct.
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Post by Scrotnig on Jan 6, 2024 19:31:14 GMT
Don't think it's as much positivity as a reaction to unmerited negativity (been a bit surprised by the general reaction on twitter and elsewhere) Go through our XI (Rose, Johnson, McCarron, Wes etc) and is it any surprise we can't beat a team that've beaten Spurs, Marseille and Ajax in the last 4-5 weeks. Without looking amazing, I'm surprised there isn't more of a consensus that we did well for 70 minutes. I’m stunned by the negativity - Stoke today v Stoke a month ago is like night and day. Not saying we’re suddenly world beaters, but anybody not enjoying the footy on offer at the moment must spend their lives seeking things to suck the joy out of. But a big part of enjoying it, unless one is a neutral, is not getting thrashed.
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Post by Veritas on Jan 6, 2024 19:33:17 GMT
Sorry but I agree with the naysayers on today. We did better than expected but when Brighton went up a gear they beat us very easily and we barely touched the ball last 15 to 20 minutes. It’s criminal how far behind we are a team who should really be our peers. Thought Johnson was woeful too. Not judging Schumacher on it but not convinced the praise today is that merited. Why exactly should we be peers with Brighton?
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Post by nottsover60 on Jan 6, 2024 19:38:14 GMT
If we have expectations of playing in the Premiership again,we need a complete new defence,this defence frightens me to death,the amount of times they give the ball back to the opposing side when under pressure is criminal. Plus they are suspect to any pace,no good us scoring 2 or 3 goals,if we end up letting in 3 or 4. Harsh to judge today. In Leris and Johnson we had two wingers playing wing back and lost Leris before half time and Rose at half time which meant two reshuffles. Any manager will tell you it's not good to have to reshuffle your defence during a game. We may have kept our lead until half time if we hadn't picked up those injuries. I think de Zerbi realised that our wing backs were not defenders and at half time instructed Brighton to exploit the space they were leaving on the wings.
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Post by nottsover60 on Jan 6, 2024 19:41:53 GMT
there wasn't a massive gulf in class. The difference is in attack only. Disagree. They were better in every single position on the pitch mate. As you'd expect from a team in seventh in the Premier. I didn't think Burger or Junho looked too far off though.
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Post by baconburger on Jan 6, 2024 19:44:01 GMT
Disagree. They were better in every single position on the pitch mate. As you'd expect from a team in seventh in the Premier. I didn't think Burger or Junho looked too far off though. Burger looked as good as anything on the pitch first half.
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Post by dirtclod on Jan 6, 2024 19:44:30 GMT
If we have expectations of playing in the Premiership again,we need a complete new defence,this defence frightens me to death,the amount of times they give the ball back to the opposing side when under pressure is criminal. Plus they are suspect to any pace,no good us scoring 2 or 3 goals,if we end up letting in 3 or 4. Harsh to judge today. In Leris and Johnson we had two wingers playing wing back and lost Leris before half time and Rose at half time which meant two reshuffles. Any manager will tell you it's not good to have to reshuffle your defence during a game. We may have kept our lead until half time if we hadn't picked up those injuries. I think de Zerbi realised that our wing backs were not defenders and at half time instructed Brighton to exploit the space they were leaving on the wings. That's weird (And spot on imho) - it's almost like we watched the same game!
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