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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2024 8:07:56 GMT
Like others have said we can't keep stockpiling players. For this transfer to happen someone needs to be out of the door first (or a move at least imminent) by which time he will probably have gone elsewhere.
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Post by Gods on Jan 5, 2024 8:19:21 GMT
Anyone else see 'Luke Cundle' and hear 'Fork Handle' like in the classic Two Ronnies 'Four Candles' sketch?
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Post by sportsman on Jan 5, 2024 8:39:01 GMT
Anyone else see 'Luke Cundle' and hear 'Fork Handle' like in the classic Two Ronnies 'Four Candles' sketch? Yeh just needs the cockney accent to introduce him
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jan 5, 2024 8:52:17 GMT
I keep reading everywhere that we are strong in the midfield area but I just don't see it. Burger and Bae aside, I think the quality is very poor for the 8 position and at DM, I like Thompson but even then I can acknowledge his limitations. We might have bodies but the rest are poor or inconsistent. Every time you get a new manager you learn about the strong points and weak points of his system and also the non negotiatiables (mind the pun). Under Pulis it was the striker at No. 10 position that was key to his system working. Under Schumacher I reckon it's going to be the two 8s. I'd be delighted to see another option arrive that will give us the flexibility of using Burger deeper, who I thought was outstanding versus Millwall. A real masterclass in adding a second dimension to that role. Not from me, apart from the 2 you've mentioned we're really poor in there and if this lad is available we should get him in.
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 5, 2024 9:02:58 GMT
I keep reading everywhere that we are strong in the midfield area but I just don't see it. Burger and Bae aside, I think the quality is very poor for the 8 position and at DM, I like Thompson but even then I can acknowledge his limitations. We might have bodies but the rest are poor or inconsistent. Every time you get a new manager you learn about the strong points and weak points of his system and also the non negotiatiables (mind the pun). Under Pulis it was the striker at No. 10 position that was key to his system working. Under Schumacher I reckon it's going to be the two 8s. I'd be delighted to see another option arrive that will give us the flexibility of using Burger deeper, who I thought was outstanding versus Millwall. A real masterclass in adding a second dimension to that role. I've been reading it from the moment Laurent and Baker were signed. We're absolutely woeful then and we're now even worse. Both Pearson and Johnson are disaster signings and only here for the money and because Neil had them before. Wank.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Jan 5, 2024 9:25:18 GMT
Interesting. Do we need another young, attacking midfielder when we have Bae? Edit: I imagine we’ll be linked to half the Plymouth squad before the end of the window. Just not a priority at the moment. Unless we have funds left over, we need to prioritise LB/LWB and GK. The latter could well be resolved with Iversen, but we shouldn't be bringing in any more attacking mids unless we can offload Laurent and/or DJ first. If we can afford and get better players we should always do so. Sidibe looks a long-term prospect, DJ, Baker and Thompson are not regular starters and Pearson seems to lack the energy the new manager wants. That leaves Bae, Burger and Laurent, add a player and move one or two in makes perfect sense.
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Post by cymap on Jan 5, 2024 9:27:15 GMT
Looks like this has some truth as Percy mentions it in his article on SS
"Stoke will be active in the January transfer window: they have held talks with Wolves over a £2 million deal for midfielder Lee Cundle, who played under Schumacher at Plymouth, while Leicester goalkeeper Daniel Iversen is expected to join on loan. A goalscorer is also a priority."
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 5, 2024 9:34:43 GMT
Although not the highest priority midfield is definitely on the list, Johnson has clearly lost whatever it was he had, Laurent is very hit and miss to put it kindly, Baker is only any good if he's shooting and Thompson can do a job but you can't rely on him for long periods as he's very limited.
To me it seems like a good idea to get someone in there that already knows how the manager wants to play and has experience in the league as well as being at a good age.
I don't see a down side to this signing tbh.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 5, 2024 9:39:49 GMT
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Post by LGH87 on Jan 5, 2024 9:41:58 GMT
Reading Percy's article it's clear Schuey wants his two 8's to provide goals and assists, none of our current crop do that on a regular basis and at their best only really Baker has the potential to provide them.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2024 9:43:43 GMT
From the Percy interview:
Stoke will be active in the January transfer window: they have held talks with Wolves over a £2 million deal for midfielder Luke Cundle, who played under Schumacher at Plymouth, while Leicester goalkeeper Daniel Iversen is expected to join on loan. A goalscorer is also a priority.
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Post by baconburger on Jan 5, 2024 9:45:09 GMT
Although not the highest priority midfield is definitely on the list, Johnson has clearly lost whatever it was he had, Laurent is very hit and miss to put it kindly, Baker is only any good if he's shooting and Thompson can do a job but you can't rely on him for long periods as he's very limited. To me it seems like a good idea to get someone in there that already knows how the manager wants to play and has experience in the league as well as being at a good age. I don't see a down side to this signing tbh. Downside is probably all of those bar Thompson are contracted for next season I think and he’s probably one you’d want to offer an extension to. I do also want to see if Schu can solve the riddle that is Laurent really.
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Post by spitthedog on Jan 5, 2024 10:03:43 GMT
None of our midfield options except Burger are the future.
We need some youthful energy and this seems a very good investment whether we can get rid of existing players or not.
It's not the manager's fault that we have stockpiled very average players. If we want to progress we have to get better in sooner rather than later. We are still in a relegation battle. We are 3rd from the bottom in the form table over the last 10 games.
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Post by gingerninja on Jan 5, 2024 10:33:39 GMT
I still think we need pace out wide/up top, Watford showed when down to 10 men, what an asset it was, still kept them very much in the game, contrast us last week, we were hanging on, offering almost zero threat..
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Post by shrewspotter on Jan 5, 2024 11:38:55 GMT
I know we have numbers in midfield but with the exception of Burger and Junho I have to say I havent been that impressed with any of them, Thompson has played ok when called upon I guess, Pearson dissapointing, Laurent is hot and cold but more cold and besides a good press Johnson has been frustrating
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Post by clarkeda on Jan 5, 2024 11:40:51 GMT
Interesting. Do we need another young, attacking midfielder when we have Bae? He's more of a number 8 I think. Very good player though EDIT..started 11 games at CM for Plymouth this season. 1 as attacking midfielder Screams Laurent/Dj replacement? I’d like to see what Schumacher can do with Baker and Laurent. Thompson is going to be used at left back occasionally. I’d give my left bollock to fuck DJ off
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Post by etebojan on Jan 5, 2024 11:43:15 GMT
I still think we need pace out wide/up top, Watford showed when down to 10 men, what an asset it was, still kept them very much in the game, contrast us last week, we were hanging on, offering almost zero threat.. He's not a wide player but is Cundle supposed to have any decent pace?, i don't know much about him
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Post by apb1 on Jan 5, 2024 11:44:00 GMT
In the Telegraph interview 'two 8s and a 4' was mentioned as preferred style. Where that leaves a 10 like Bae is a bit worrying.
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Post by LGH87 on Jan 5, 2024 11:45:10 GMT
In the Telegraph interview 'two 8s and a 4' was mentioned as preferred style. Where that leaves a 10 like Bae is a bit worrying. He'll be one of the 8's, they are given licence to get forward and score/create. He'll hopefully be our "Azaz".
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2024 11:52:58 GMT
In the Telegraph interview 'two 8s and a 4' was mentioned as preferred style. Where that leaves a 10 like Bae is a bit worrying. He'll be one of the 8's, they are given licence to get forward and score/create. He'll hopefully be our "Azaz". Yeah in his first training session video that Stoke released, Junho was grouped with the 8s, which is fine. He can work there nicely.
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Post by MilanStokie on Jan 5, 2024 11:59:05 GMT
You would think CM is the last place we "need" players, when we have 6/7 of them vying for 2/3 spots. That is if you don't already count Sidibe.
For me, it means one of them is off and I can only assume its Laurent. And tbh, I am absolutely fine with that. In fact, both he and his mate Tyrese and happily go as far as I am concerned.
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Post by marylandstoke on Jan 5, 2024 12:04:13 GMT
In the Telegraph interview 'two 8s and a 4' was mentioned as preferred style. Where that leaves a 10 like Bae is a bit worrying. Well two eights and a four is twenty. Ten goes into twenty two times. So Bae will be twice as effective. Its new Maths.
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Post by nonameface on Jan 5, 2024 12:19:59 GMT
Don't think I've ever really watched him but his stats on fbref are off the charts. Outstanding xg, xa, decent tackler, passer, good at carrying the ball, not the best in the air or dribbling.
If he replaces one of laurent or Johnson, would be a good addition. Potentially Baker if we can get any value from him.
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Post by idle on Jan 5, 2024 12:34:38 GMT
I keep reading everywhere that we are strong in the midfield area but I just don't see it. Burger and Bae aside, I think the quality is very poor for the 8 position and at DM, I like Thompson but even then I can acknowledge his limitations. We might have bodies but the rest are poor or inconsistent. Every time you get a new manager you learn about the strong points and weak points of his system and also the non negotiatiables (mind the pun). Under Pulis it was the striker at No. 10 position that was key to his system working. Under Schumacher I reckon it's going to be the two 8s. I'd be delighted to see another option arrive that will give us the flexibility of using Burger deeper, who I thought was outstanding versus Millwall. A real masterclass in adding a second dimension to that role. I've been reading it from the moment Laurent and Baker were signed. We're absolutely woeful then and we're now even worse. Both Pearson and Johnson are disaster signings and only here for the money and because Neil had them before. Wank. Disaster signings... Get a fucking grip. While DJ have been disappointing, and I never understood why he was signed as he hadn't been good for years, he's not lead to us going down or something (We should try to get rid though, for FFP) Pearson has done an ok job. I expected a bit more, but he's the new boo boy for the usual suspects on here it seems, so he's now down to "disaster signing". You're a fucking idiot if you believe that. Even Gayle isn't disastrous, he's just held us back since we coul've used his wages on someone else. Wimmer, Imbula, Afobe, Vokes - now that was disastrous signings who took us down and kept us there even with parachute money AND fooked us with regards to FFP.
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 5, 2024 12:43:45 GMT
I've been reading it from the moment Laurent and Baker were signed. We're absolutely woeful then and we're now even worse. Both Pearson and Johnson are disaster signings and only here for the money and because Neil had them before. Wank. Disaster signings... Get a fucking grip. While DJ have been disappointing, and I never understood why he was signed as he hadn't been good for years, he's not lead to us going down or something (We should try to get rid though, for FFP) Pearson has done an ok job. I expected a bit more, but he's the new boo boy for the usual suspects on here it seems, so he's now down to "disaster signing". You're a fucking idiot if you believe that. Even Gayle isn't disastrous, he's just held us back since we coul've used his wages on someone else. Wimmer, Imbula, Afobe, Vokes - now that was disastrous signings who took us down and kept us there even with parachute money AND fooked us with regards to FFP. In case you missed it, we're in a relegation battle. Absolute disaster signings. Open your eyes, both are shite. What's the point in mentioning other footballers who are no longer with us. I agree, they were disaster signings as well.
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Post by gcamoutsideboot on Jan 5, 2024 13:42:31 GMT
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 5, 2024 14:02:06 GMT
In the Plymouth squad tomorrow, so he'll be cup-tied in the unlikely event we win against Brighton www.plymouthherald.co.uk/sport/football/live-plymouth-argyle-updates-next-9015150Cundle in Argyle squad against Sutton There were reports in the West Midlands last night that Wolves were considering selling on-loan Argyle midfielder Luke Cundle, with Stoke City and Bristol City linked to £2 million moves for him. Neil Dewsnip: "I'm aware of the speculation. I have had conversations with Wolves on that topic and as of this morning they haven't received any offers whatsoever." Dewsnip confirmed Cundle would be in the Argyle squad for the FA Cup tie against Sutton United tomorrow.
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Post by monkeycat on Jan 5, 2024 14:05:23 GMT
Looks like this one will definitely happen
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Jan 5, 2024 14:05:41 GMT
Neil Dewsnip sounds like someone who steals women's undies off their washing line to be fair
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Post by thicknthin on Jan 5, 2024 14:09:13 GMT
Not judging anyone until I have seen them, but what is slightly concerning is that the Plymouth fans are not too worried about him leaving and rate the lad off to Borough twice the player. Looks like we are overpaying again.
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