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Post by wakeypotter on Dec 30, 2023 10:02:21 GMT
He's young, I liked him holding his hands up but ultimately he will make mistakes but at least they're made in the right manner. It's 2 games in a row the subs have had a negative impact but it's that time of year where games come thick and fast, it also doesn't say a great deal for the last buffoon of a manager that they can't play 90mins with intensity. I'd rather see the positives at the minute with the new manager, although 5 points isn't life changing I think he's made a very good start. Totally agree on the manager. I don't think a lot of people are being overly negative on him, just pointing out that certain players are or should be pretty much done here if we are to move forward with the type of football the new man wants to play? Tbf to Schumacher I think he is giving everyone one a chance to show him what they have got so he can see who he needs to keep and who he needs to get rid of. That’s my take on it
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Post by baconburger on Dec 30, 2023 10:03:15 GMT
It's mirrored by a lot of the ratings on the player ratings thread, where nearly all the subs are (correctly) awarded 4s and 5s. They pretty much all to a man made us worse and that can't be right. All they had to do was play sensible football and give us some legs but at times Watford, who would be just as tired as us, broke off us at will and caused us issues despite having a man less for around 30 minutes. Again, that can't be right but it was. Baker and Johnson were both tripping over the ball at times and Pearson was garbage from minute one. Hoever was nothing short of sloppy in possession and Thompson saw his performance drop off a cliff. Vidigal did nothing in the second half bar out two garbage crosses in and constantly got barged off the ball. Bae was also bang average on the ball and should have scored. I don't think it's too outrageous to describe some of the performances as unacceptable at all based on that. That said, the overall point of the new coach changing things or trying to is spot on. Interesting that he has held his hands up for the Mmaee sub being a mistake, so maybe he's giving himself some harsh criticism behind the scenes and away from the camera too? He's young, I liked him holding his hands up but ultimately he will make mistakes but at least they're made in the right manner. It's 2 games in a row the subs have had a negative impact but it's that time of year where games come thick and fast, it also doesn't say a great deal for the last buffoon of a manager that they can't play 90mins with intensity. I'd rather see the positives at the minute with the new manager, although 5 points isn't life changing I think he's made a very good start. I'm glad to hear he said that and I was hoping he would do. It seems to be in his character to be open and honest and admit mistakes and the substitutions of Mmae and Burger were clearly just that. Mistakes. Everyone makes them and it's learning from them that's important so it's great to hear him acknowledging it publicly so we know that he saw the same thing that the rest of us saw. That we got significantly worse after those two substitutions were made. I’m pretty sure they making decisions based on information from the bra that fans don’t see. It’s the modern way based on science to replace them when they start to dip rather than completely gas them.
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Post by TinkerT on Dec 30, 2023 10:03:39 GMT
The general feeling is that the feel good factor is returning. I fully expected we would lose at home to the bottom side under AN. Now I expect us to beat Ipswich on NYD Bring it on. Certainly don't expect us to beat Ipswich - they're a top side and will probably be in the Premier League next season. A draw would be a great result. I don't think they will. I fancy Southampton get second and west brom or Leeds in play offs.
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Dec 30, 2023 10:35:42 GMT
Fitness looked to be an issue tonight,which we were all aware of. I think it's important to recognise that we've played 3 games in a week and it takes its toll. The team had better get used to high intensity football because that's what the manager expects in every game. There were some tired legs out there tonight but their fitness WILL improve over the next month. I would have been happy with a point before the game, so we move on. Disappointing that we couldn't capitalise playing against 10 men but we have to accept that our style of play has changed dramatically in less than a month. Yes, 3 games in a week Alex Neil style where most players hardly break into a sweat would take much less of a toll on the players for sure. These last 2 games have shown that we might already have a fair few talented and gifted footballers in our ranks. Who knew?? BM Absolutely mate. Bet some of the players are in shock on what his expectations are. We'll go for a win in every game. Just need 4 or 5 new faces, 3 of which should be making the starting 11.
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Post by gingerninja on Dec 30, 2023 10:46:13 GMT
I think we need to remember that in reality SS has had a very few training sessions with the group, to work on patterns of play etc. all things considered, I think the transformation has been amazing. I am very liking what I see. I think moving forward,we need more "athletes" in midfield, not sure Pearson is that type, time will tell, I see M'waee as a excellent number 10, yet I think we have a real player on our hands in Jun ho..
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Post by bagnallboothen on Dec 30, 2023 11:19:36 GMT
I wouldn't disagree with that, I just think people have been very quick to jump back into the "we're shit, he's shit" mentality. It's going to take a bit of time, we have an inexperienced head coach who has already made a difference, people might have to be a little bit patient with everyone. Johnson, Baker, Hoever ain't good enough but for now it's what we've got. Who are you quoting there ! Just looking at the top first post on the mayday thread pages 22-25 you will find the words... Chancer Wank Sack Poor
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Dec 30, 2023 11:28:08 GMT
Who are you quoting there ! Just looking at the top first post on the mayday thread pages 22-25 you will find the words... Chancer Wank Sack Poor So no one used that phrase? It was poor in places ...I get that Who were they calling to get the sack? Taking singular words outof context doesn't result in that quote you used
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 30, 2023 11:50:56 GMT
Yes, 3 games in a week Alex Neil style where most players hardly break into a sweat would take much less of a toll on the players for sure. These last 2 games have shown that we might already have a fair few talented and gifted footballers in our ranks. Who knew?? BM Absolutely mate. Bet some of the players are in shock on what his expectations are. We'll go for a win in every game. Just need 4 or 5 new faces, 3 of which should be making the starting 11. Like the sound of that Davesvi……sorry Fishviews😉
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Dec 30, 2023 12:19:24 GMT
Absolutely mate. Bet some of the players are in shock on what his expectations are. We'll go for a win in every game. Just need 4 or 5 new faces, 3 of which should be making the starting 11. Like the sound of that Davesvi……sorry Fishviews😉 I honestly don't have any idea what his plans are. He's far too professional.
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Post by foxysgloves on Dec 30, 2023 12:34:55 GMT
Which bookies btw? Paddy power have us 7/4 Ipswich 7/5 which is still closer than I’d have it. Home advantage counts for everything in the Championship. For sure the bookmakers will fancy our chances more at home to Ipswich than away at Watford. And I think that's right, so do I. Yeah but we won’t be favourites. As paddy power odds show.
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Post by foxysgloves on Dec 30, 2023 12:36:58 GMT
Which bookies btw? Paddy power have us 7/4 Ipswich 7/5 which is still closer than I’d have it. So would you Put a bet on Ipswich at 7/5 if you are confident? No but that’s not my point. We’re a side in the bottom half in average form. They’re a side in the top two in average form. All the indicators point to them having a better chance of winning. Which the bookies odds I’ve seen reflect. Personally I’ll be backing a low scoring draw. So Stoke should win 5-4.
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Post by Gods on Dec 30, 2023 12:41:13 GMT
Home advantage counts for everything in the Championship. For sure the bookmakers will fancy our chances more at home to Ipswich than away at Watford. And I think that's right, so do I. Yeah but we won’t be favourites. As paddy power odds show. I didn't say we would be favourites to beat Ipswich. Only that we would be more fancied to beat Ipswich at home than we were to beat Watford away.
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Post by foxysgloves on Dec 30, 2023 12:43:01 GMT
Yeah but we won’t be favourites. As paddy power odds show. I didn't say we would be favourites to beat Ipswich. Only that we would be more fancied to beat Ipswich at home than we were to beat Watford away. But that was the conversation I was originally having. That Ipswich are rightly the bookies favourites. They’re close to evens we’re close to 2-1 which is about right imo.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 30, 2023 13:20:37 GMT
Like the sound of that Davesvi……sorry Fishviews😉 I honestly don't have any idea what his plans are. He's far too professional. Only joking mate. I don't expect he would tell. And you'd be insane to pass it on even if he did.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 30, 2023 13:41:18 GMT
Right I've got my tin hat on but can't say I'm bothered about the flack I'm about to get..... Like ive said in the title some stoke fans are pathetic reading some of the comments in the match thread..... some of you are unbelievable. I'm not sure what you expect... yes Watford were down to 10 men but you feel we've got a god given right to just roll them over. Overall our general play is far better than it was a few week ago, playing with much more purpose and higher tempo and a desire to win. I just don't know what some of you expect. Yes there's a lot of room for improvement but it doesn't happen over night.... The new gaffers just come in and taken 5 points from 9, We are now unbeaten in 5. Jesus just give it a rest and get behind the team. I can't believe all the moaning at times Any chance you could provide some direct quotes, so we know specifically what you're referring to? Were people really (as you have suggested) having a dig at the manager? There was some absolutely rancid performances from some of the players in the second half and if people were being critical of those performances, then I don't see anything wrong in at all.
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Post by gingerninja on Dec 30, 2023 13:45:38 GMT
I don't think anyone would argue that second half, certainly after the sending off we were pretty appalling, yet still fashioned 3 excellent, very takeable chances, Jun ho, M'waee and Baker. I don't think anyone can argue with the intent to attack is so much more positive though?.
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Post by bagnallboothen on Dec 30, 2023 17:54:32 GMT
Just looking at the top first post on the mayday thread pages 22-25 you will find the words... Chancer Wank Sack Poor So no one used that phrase? It was poor in places ...I get that Who were they calling to get the sack? Taking singular words outof context doesn't result in that quote you used Good to see the quote police haven't had Christmas off
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Dec 30, 2023 18:08:08 GMT
So no one used that phrase? It was poor in places ...I get that Who were they calling to get the sack? Taking singular words outof context doesn't result in that quote you used Good to see the quote police haven't had Christmas off The made up scenario police have take over No one said anything of the sort of what he quoted Basically made a quote up then starting whingeing about it, but hey 😁👍
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Post by bagnallboothen on Dec 30, 2023 18:47:26 GMT
Good to see the quote police haven't had Christmas off The made up scenario police have take over No one said anything of the sort of what he quoted Basically made a quote up then starting whingeing about it, but hey 😁👍 Was talking about taking the positives of the manager over slagging people off but make of it what you will if you're intent on being a miserable bastard.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Dec 30, 2023 18:49:08 GMT
The made up scenario police have take over No one said anything of the sort of what he quoted Basically made a quote up then starting whingeing about it, but hey 😁👍 Was talking about taking the positives of the manager over slagging people off but make of it what you will if you're intent on being a miserable bastard. I made of it what it was Something no one said ...hope that helps 👍
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Dec 30, 2023 18:53:43 GMT
I agree
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Post by mrrine on Dec 30, 2023 18:57:35 GMT
Right I've got my tin hat on but can't say I'm bothered about the flack I'm about to get..... Like ive said in the title some stoke fans are pathetic reading some of the comments in the match thread..... some of you are unbelievable. This thread is pathetic.
What you really mean is - people who don't have the same opinion as you and express it in the way you'd like are pathetic, which is just horseshit. As others have mentioned - this is literally a message board for opinions... Beyond that your clauses don't match your claim that Some Stoke fans are pathetic. I'm not sure what you expect... yes Watford were down to 10 men but you feel we've got a god given right to just roll them over. Absolutely no one has said we have a god given right to anything. Total hyperbole. There are very rational reasons to expect various elements of the game to be better. We were very poor against 10 men with that a lot of the game to play. Some teams when down to 10 capitulate and get 2/3/4-0'd, we never grabbed the initiative from a managerial or player perspective and it looked more towards the end of the game that it we did well to keep a point against 10 men.
So - what do I expect? Management that gets us taking tactical advantage or an extra man. Man management to enable that. Desire from the players to play in behind the lines and shoot. Passes that reach 10 yards away. It didn't quite join up.
If teams dig in, it's up to us to take advantage of our advantage! We simply didn't do that. I expect us to take advantage of the advantage. Do you not...? For total clarity- that doesn't mean I want to go and lynch SS for not winning 600-1.
Overall our general play is far better than it was a few week ago, playing with much more purpose and higher tempo and a d esire to win. Yeah think everyone accepts that? I just don't know what some of you expect. Were they all knackered at the end? Yep. did Watford also have a busy schedule? Yep. had Watford been playing with 10 men? Yep. Is it reasonable to expect to break a team down with 10 men for most of the second half? Yep. I'd expect at least a better effort from the players, better organisation AND result ideally.Yes there's a lot of room for improvement but it doesn't happen over night.... Think most, including myself largely accept that?The new gaffers just come in and taken 5 points from 9, We are now unbeaten in 5. Yeah vast improvement, everyone is pleased with that - It also could've been 7 if you consider we played against 10 men for the majority second half, and importantly before that, we were pushing to win it anyway. So there was a combination of poor subs (with one eye on the next game / SS admitted taking Mmaee off was a mistake / Taking Burger off killed the creativity / Wesley offered 0 / Johnson was very poor etc. ) together with an inability to manage the momentum of the game once we gained that advantage. The players didn't know what to do. That's on them and the manager and in fairness SS has taken some responsibility for that and I'll bet he was equally fucked off watching it not click, as most of us were.Jesus just give it a rest and get behind the team. The vast majority IS behind the team? And also, while we're at it - It's possible to be behind the team and still be critical and expect more, even if you don't like it...I can't believe all the moaning at times - You literally created a moaning thread.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Dec 30, 2023 19:02:59 GMT
The made up scenario police have take over No one said anything of the sort of what he quoted Basically made a quote up then starting whingeing about it, but hey 😁👍 Was talking about taking the positives of the manager over slagging people off but make of it what you will if you're intent on being a miserable bastard. Can I quote you on that ? 👌
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Post by danceswithclams on Dec 30, 2023 22:56:06 GMT
Saw Chancer Wank Sack Poor bowling for Bangladesh vs England in the early 90s. Great leg spinner.
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Post by boothenesque on Dec 31, 2023 0:38:40 GMT
Stoke fans have always been moaners, it's embarrassing. They also latch onto certain players and gove them a hard time regardless and have favourites that escape any flack. Back in the day Paul Richardson, Paul Macguire, nore recently Cresswell. They used to say Crounch was whit and a donkey. We seem to attract these idiots. It's baffling that they hang around like a bad smell spreading their doom and gloom. Even when things are going well they moan. They used to say Waddington was shit and then Pulis. If I was that miserable I would fuck off somewhere else.
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Post by satoshi on Dec 31, 2023 7:22:20 GMT
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Post by Waggy on Dec 31, 2023 7:48:43 GMT
Stoke fans have always been moaners, it's embarrassing. They also latch onto certain players and gove them a hard time regardless and have favourites that escape any flack. Back in the day Paul Richardson, Paul Macguire, nore recently Cresswell. They used to say Crounch was whit and a donkey. We seem to attract these idiots. It's baffling that they hang around like a bad smell spreading their doom and gloom. Even when things are going well they moan. They used to say Waddington was shit and then Pulis. If I was that miserable I would fuck off somewhere else. Not old enough to remember the Waddington days but surprised given our league positions and the players the club signed that the fans moaned about him. Only time I know from my time supporting Stoke, since 1983-84 is Lou Macari never got moaned at and the fans were fully behind him. We do have a lot of fans that think things can change instantly and a new manager does not need to work on things on the training ground. I have a mate that only goes about 3 games a season and every time we are looking for a manager he thinks the club can attract a top name. “Why aren’t we looking at him” you tell him because we are not a top 6 club and he keeps saying “ we are a big club”, well we are not, we are medium sized and always have been. Every manager that gets appointed he says “ I’m not much for him” just give them a chance ffs.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 31, 2023 9:41:03 GMT
It's glass half full glass half empty syndrome really. Applies to every aspect of life, not just football. Some moan some see the positives. Both valid. I do tend to prefer the glass half full crowd to be fair. Even though deep down I'm a glass half empty moaning twat 😆
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Post by stokieinlondon on Dec 31, 2023 9:52:25 GMT
Right I've got my tin hat on but can't say I'm bothered about the flack I'm about to get..... Like ive said in the title some stoke fans are pathetic reading some of the comments in the match thread..... some of you are unbelievable. I'm not sure what you expect... yes Watford were down to 10 men but you feel we've got a god given right to just roll them over. Overall our general play is far better than it was a few week ago, playing with much more purpose and higher tempo and a desire to win. I just don't know what some of you expect. Yes there's a lot of room for improvement but it doesn't happen over night.... The new gaffers just come in and taken 5 points from 9, We are now unbeaten in 5. Jesus just give it a rest and get behind the team. I can't believe all the moaning at times Are you new to the oatcake? People were moaning after we beat Liverpool 6-1 pal.
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Post by figo85 on Dec 31, 2023 9:52:43 GMT
Saw Chancer Wank Sack Poor bowling for Bangladesh vs England in the early 90s. Great leg spinner. Magical
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