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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 29, 2023 22:14:34 GMT
It's disappointment and a successful club needs that. Any manager would also propogate that mentality too as it's a winning mentality. Teams should be beating 10 men all day long, especially when playing against them for that amount of time. Happy clapping it will only engender a mentality of the type we've seen for the last 6 years, where a 15th place finish will do. It won't and performances like that tonight against ten won't do either. Sure, keep it in perspective but let's not hold back and accept it. Some of those performances second half were not acceptable. Unacceptable performances or just exhaustion? I thought we looked totally shattered at the end of the game. Pearson off injured, Haksabanovic and Bae totally shattered. Any team would be weaker in midfield when you have to withdraw your best player to keep him fit for the next game. I'm no expert, but fitness has been a fundamental issue for me for three years now. The manager also has had his first taste of the Wesley puzzle, where we struggle to maintain any kind of foothold when he enters onto the pitch. I'm not sure how to get the best out of him. I’m convinced that’s why we conceded so many late goals as well
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Post by stokiekm on Dec 29, 2023 22:15:00 GMT
Right I've got my tin hat on but can't say I'm bothered about the flack I'm about to get..... Like ive said in the title some stoke fans are pathetic reading some of the comments in the match thread..... some of you are unbelievable. I'm not sure what you expect... yes Watford were down to 10 men but you feel we've got a god given right to just roll them over. Overall our general play is far better than it was a few week ago, playing with much more purpose and higher tempo and a desire to win. I just don't know what some of you expect. Yes there's a lot of room for improvement but it doesn't happen over night.... The new gaffers just come in and taken 5 points from 9, We are now unbeaten in 5. Jesus just give it a rest and get behind the team. I can't believe all the moaning at times Here’s a revolutionary idea for you. Football Forums may contain ideas and opinions contrary to your own. Most fans will accept that what we have just witnessed exposed so many problems it isn’t funny. Suck it up sweetheart. I don’t hear anyone criticising the manager. Here is an example of the issue.. The vocal minority on here can't accept others views though and resort to comments such as 'Suck it up Sweetheart'
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Post by mickstupp on Dec 29, 2023 22:16:06 GMT
The match day thread is a cesspit best avoided in my opinion. Either that or just take everything that’s written on there with a pinch of salt.
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 29, 2023 22:17:06 GMT
Suppose you're always going to get over the top stuff written in the heat of the moment .The match thread is just pure 100% emotion and probably not really to be taken seriously.
We're still an imperfect squad, and it was a bit manic and very messy against 10.
But we looked very tired in body and mind second half
Quite excited to see what we look like in 6 weeks though. The mindset change is so refreshing.
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Post by baconburger on Dec 29, 2023 22:17:54 GMT
It's disappointment and a successful club needs that. Any manager would also propogate that mentality too as it's a winning mentality. Teams should be beating 10 men all day long, especially when playing against them for that amount of time. Happy clapping it will only engender a mentality of the type we've seen for the last 6 years, where a 15th place finish will do. It won't and performances like that tonight against ten won't do either. Sure, keep it in perspective but let's not hold back and accept it. Some of those performances second half were not acceptable. Genuinely didn't see that at all If anything we were trying to score the perfect goal Last 10 minutes were ragged mind Subs made us worse generally speaking Baker, Wes and DJ being a special sort of shit and Hoever only being okish. Special mention for Mmaee I’ve given him enough shit so praise where it’s due.
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Post by Bera’s Beano on Dec 29, 2023 22:18:01 GMT
Here’s a revolutionary idea for you. Football Forums may contain ideas and opinions contrary to your own. Most fans will accept that what we have just witnessed exposed so many problems it isn’t funny. Suck it up sweetheart. I don’t hear anyone criticising the manager. Here is an example of the issue.. The vocal minority on here can't accept others views though and resort to comments such as 'Suck it up Sweetheart' To clarify, you think it’s worse for him to point out that on a forum people can voice the opinions they want and you should ‘suck it up’, than it is for someone to create a thread, and title it that people are pathetic for having an opinion? Ok…
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Post by baconburger on Dec 29, 2023 22:18:40 GMT
It's disappointment and a successful club needs that. Any manager would also propogate that mentality too as it's a winning mentality. Teams should be beating 10 men all day long, especially when playing against them for that amount of time. Happy clapping it will only engender a mentality of the type we've seen for the last 6 years, where a 15th place finish will do. It won't and performances like that tonight against ten won't do either. Sure, keep it in perspective but let's not hold back and accept it. Some of those performances second half were not acceptable. Unacceptable performances or just exhaustion? I thought we looked totally shattered at the end of the game. Pearson off injured, Haksabanovic and Bae totally shattered. Any team would be weaker in midfield when you have to withdraw your best player to keep him fit for the next game. I'm no expert, but fitness has been a fundamental issue for me for three years now. The manager also has had his first taste of the Wesley puzzle, where we struggle to maintain any kind of foothold when he enters onto the pitch. I'm not sure how to get the best out of him. Glue
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Post by matelot1996 on Dec 29, 2023 22:18:54 GMT
Here’s a revolutionary idea for you. Football Forums may contain ideas and opinions contrary to your own. Most fans will accept that what we have just witnessed exposed so many problems it isn’t funny. Suck it up sweetheart. I don’t hear anyone criticising the manager. Here is an example of the issue.. The vocal minority on here can't accept others views though and resort to comments such as 'Suck it up Sweetheart' I didn’t start a thread criticising genuine opinions of other Stoke Fans in a boring and self centred “Look at what a great Fan I am” kind of manner 😂😂
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Post by outspaced on Dec 29, 2023 22:19:18 GMT
Teams should be beating 10 men all day long.
Millwall 2 (9 men) hold my beer, Stoke 0.
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Post by generationex on Dec 29, 2023 22:19:19 GMT
I don’t think fitness has been mentioned by anyone at the club since Pulis left.
I might be showing my age but isn’t it a pre-requisite for any team serious about success? I’m sick of seeing half the team knackered after 65 minutes.
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Post by gingerninja on Dec 29, 2023 22:20:27 GMT
The mindset and willingness to attack is so refreshing, yes, we looked pretty clueless against 10 and we looked less fit than they did, but that won't happen overnight, fitness takes time..yet more disruption with Pearson coming off.Be really interesting/ exciting to see who we bring in during January.
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Post by stokest5 on Dec 29, 2023 22:26:20 GMT
Unacceptable performances or just exhaustion? I thought we looked totally shattered at the end of the game. Pearson off injured, Haksabanovic and Bae totally shattered. Any team would be weaker in midfield when you have to withdraw your best player to keep him fit for the next game. I'm no expert, but fitness has been a fundamental issue for me for three years now. The manager also has had his first taste of the Wesley puzzle, where we struggle to maintain any kind of foothold when he enters onto the pitch. I'm not sure how to get the best out of him. I’m convinced that’s why we conceded so many late goals as well Get Wesley a job selling programmes or something instead he’s absolutely useless. Offers absolutely no quality.
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Post by theonlooker on Dec 29, 2023 22:26:34 GMT
It's disappointment and a successful club needs that. Any manager would also propogate that mentality too as it's a winning mentality. Teams should be beating 10 men all day long, especially when playing against them for that amount of time. Happy clapping it will only engender a mentality of the type we've seen for the last 6 years, where a 15th place finish will do. It won't and performances like that tonight against ten won't do either. Sure, keep it in perspective but let's not hold back and accept it. Some of those performances second half were not acceptable. Unacceptable performances or just exhaustion? I thought we looked totally shattered at the end of the game. Pearson off injured, Haksabanovic and Bae totally shattered. Any team would be weaker in midfield when you have to withdraw your best player to keep him fit for the next game. I'm no expert, but fitness has been a fundamental issue for me for three years now. The manager also has had his first taste of the Wesley puzzle, where we struggle to maintain any kind of foothold when he enters onto the pitch. I'm not sure how to get the best out of him. Given the amount of subs we made and given we were playing against 10 men and a side that has played just as many games in as many days as us I'd say unacceptable definitely bar the odd outlier (Bae looked knackered). All it proves to me is that certain players have run their race here and the club need to back the manager to shift the players he doesn't want or can't produce out of the door ASAP. We have a manager for the first time in a long time that wants to attack teams and we must not let him get buried by mistakes from other managers, something that has caused nearly all of our managers problems since relegation. Get the shit out of the door ASAP and get them replaced with players that can and want to play for this coach and club.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 29, 2023 22:27:28 GMT
I’m convinced that’s why we conceded so many late goals as well Get Wesley a job selling programmes or something instead he’s absolutely useless. Offers absolutely no quality. Yes I thought Wesley would have offered us abit more than he actually has/does so far for sure
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Post by NassauDave on Dec 29, 2023 22:37:45 GMT
Right I've got my tin hat on but can't say I'm bothered about the flack I'm about to get..... Like ive said in the title some stoke fans are pathetic reading some of the comments in the match thread..... some of you are unbelievable. I'm not sure what you expect... yes Watford were down to 10 men but you feel we've got a god given right to just roll them over. Overall our general play is far better than it was a few week ago, playing with much more purpose and higher tempo and a desire to win. I just don't know what some of you expect. Yes there's a lot of room for improvement but it doesn't happen over night.... The new gaffers just come in and taken 5 points from 9, We are now unbeaten in 5. Jesus just give it a rest and get behind the team. I can't believe all the moaning at times 100% correct. So much more tempo and first time passing. There's much to do, but there has already been a huge improvement since the Goblin left.
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Post by glpotter on Dec 29, 2023 22:43:40 GMT
I love schuey
He said it’s not going to be perfect, there will be bumps in the road. He’s down to earth, it’s not his team, I can’t see us going down
This manager excites me, bring on the transfer window
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Post by stokiekm on Dec 29, 2023 22:44:42 GMT
Here is an example of the issue.. The vocal minority on here can't accept others views though and resort to comments such as 'Suck it up Sweetheart' To clarify, you think it’s worse for him to point out that on a forum people can voice the opinions they want and you should ‘suck it up’, than it is for someone to create a thread, and title it that people are pathetic for having an opinion? Ok… No. It's the boring over the top negativity that is used to hijack threads. People then get ripped just for basically saying 'it's too much' or daring to have a view that doesn't match the narrative of negativity. On today's match thread it was getting ridiculous, so many seemingly not willing to give Schumacher more than 2 weeks before attacking him isn't acceptable.
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Post by mrnovember on Dec 29, 2023 22:48:18 GMT
It's a public forum. On the internet. People can literally live broadcast thier thoughts, feelings and opinions. All of which are fluid and circumstantial and emotionally charged. Give over.
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Dec 29, 2023 22:49:34 GMT
Fitness looked to be an issue tonight,which we were all aware of. I think it's important to recognise that we've played 3 games in a week and it takes its toll. The team had better get used to high intensity football because that's what the manager expects in every game. There were some tired legs out there tonight but their fitness WILL improve over the next month. I would have been happy with a point before the game, so we move on. Disappointing that we couldn't capitalise playing against 10 men but we have to accept that our style of play has changed dramatically in less than a month.
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Post by sticky on Dec 29, 2023 23:01:37 GMT
Opinions are fine and it makes the board much more entertaining. What is annoying when posters don’t sway on an opinion, and can’t admit they’re wrong (there’s a lot tbf) Just for the record, I think Wesley is absolutely useless, I can’t believe he’s a professional footballer he’s that bad.. but il be the first to admit I’m wrong If he turns things around
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Post by Gods on Dec 29, 2023 23:08:34 GMT
I’m convinced that’s why we conceded so many late goals as well Get Wesley a job selling programmes or something instead he’s absolutely useless. Offers absolutely no quality. I must admit I thought when we brought Wesley on we had in effect voluntarily gone down to 10 men to match Watford.
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Post by anchorman on Dec 29, 2023 23:10:39 GMT
I think we would have all taken a point tonight before a ball was kicked and four points from two tough away games is superb. Everyone is disappointed we didn’t come away with the 3 points tonight with the chances we had. But, it demonstrates how unfit this team is and he will undoubtedly sort that. Any successful team needs to be fit full stop & there were a lot of tired legs out there tonight having played two games in three days and at an intensity the players are not used to. Schuey will have learnt a hell of a lot tonight about the can’s and can’t do it’s, who has the desire & commitment to succeed. Have faith, in Schuey we trust! UTP!
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Post by senojbor on Dec 29, 2023 23:21:55 GMT
The general feeling is that the feel good factor is returning.
I fully expected we would lose at home to the bottom side under AN.
Now I expect us to beat Ipswich on NYD
Bring it on.
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Post by foxysgloves on Dec 29, 2023 23:24:30 GMT
The general feeling is that the feel good factor is returning. I fully expected we would lose at home to the bottom side under AN. Now I expect us to beat Ipswich on NYD Bring it on. I think it’s fine being optimistic but expecting us to beat a side that have established themselves as top 2 contenders is putting unnecessary pressure on us. We’ve just scraped a draw against a poor Watford with ten men for 40 minutes. A draw against Ipswich is perfectly fine.
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Post by stokiekm on Dec 29, 2023 23:38:58 GMT
Get Wesley a job selling programmes or something instead he’s absolutely useless. Offers absolutely no quality. I must admit I thought when we brought Wesley on we had in effect voluntarily gone down to 10 men to match Watford. Wesley is an odd one. There's got to be a decent footballer in there but aside from seeing him hold the ball well (ish) I don't think we've seen anything close to what anyone expected. A Villa mate suggested he could struggle but was putting that down to confidence since the cruciate & his view that Mee pretty much ended his career. Weirdly, I always want & hope he'll do well in his next limited minutes rather than thinking 'wtf is he on for' but something just isn't working.
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Post by senojbor on Dec 29, 2023 23:44:25 GMT
The general feeling is that the feel good factor is returning. I fully expected we would lose at home to the bottom side under AN. Now I expect us to beat Ipswich on NYD Bring it on. I think it’s fine being optimistic but expecting us to beat a side that have established themselves as top 2 contenders is putting unnecessary pressure on us. We’ve just scraped a draw against a poor Watford with ten men for 40 minutes. A draw against Ipswich is perfectly fine. We are favourites according to the bookies.
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Post by mrnovember on Dec 29, 2023 23:48:52 GMT
Opinions are fine and it makes the board much more entertaining. What is annoying when posters don’t sway on an opinion, and can’t admit they’re wrong (there’s a lot tbf) Just for the record, I think Wesley is absolutely useless, I can’t believe he’s a professional footballer he’s that bad.. but il be the first to admit I’m wrong If he turns things around What's more annoying is that you can't say something like Wesley is useless without adding a caveat of "if he's wrong I'll gladly be proven wrong" on this forum. It's fucking nuts. Wesley has been wank. It's fine to say so even if he goes on to win the Ballon d'Or.
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Post by foxysgloves on Dec 29, 2023 23:49:59 GMT
I think it’s fine being optimistic but expecting us to beat a side that have established themselves as top 2 contenders is putting unnecessary pressure on us. We’ve just scraped a draw against a poor Watford with ten men for 40 minutes. A draw against Ipswich is perfectly fine. We are favourites according to the bookies. Strange but I definitely wouldn’t make us favourites.
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Post by foxysgloves on Dec 29, 2023 23:52:56 GMT
I think it’s fine being optimistic but expecting us to beat a side that have established themselves as top 2 contenders is putting unnecessary pressure on us. We’ve just scraped a draw against a poor Watford with ten men for 40 minutes. A draw against Ipswich is perfectly fine. We are favourites according to the bookies. Which bookies btw? Paddy power have us 7/4 Ipswich 7/5 which is still closer than I’d have it.
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Post by senojbor on Dec 29, 2023 23:56:50 GMT
We are favourites according to the bookies. Which bookies btw? Paddy power have us 7/4 Ipswich 7/5 which is still closer than I’d have it. So would you Put a bet on Ipswich at 7/5 if you are confident?
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