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Post by scfcno1fan on Dec 30, 2023 0:01:14 GMT
Opinions are just that, opinions.
Take them or leave them.
For example my opinion on the last three games is an overall meh. We’ve been ok, but nothing special.
Still a lot more work to do.
Firstly getting the depth in squad we need so SS doesn’t have to bring on some of the garbage he had to tonight.
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Post by chiprockets on Dec 30, 2023 0:03:20 GMT
Which bookies btw? Paddy power have us 7/4 Ipswich 7/5 which is still closer than I’d have it. So would you Put a bet on Ipswich at 7/5 if you are confident? well I'd back Ipswich with you as you have Stoke as favourites. what odds are you offering?
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Post by svengaliinplatforms on Dec 30, 2023 0:06:01 GMT
It wasn't that long ago that we were getting tonked at 10-man QPR, so today can be seen as progress.
5 unbeaten.
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Dec 30, 2023 0:11:14 GMT
Don't get too upset by the match day thread, at various points you can guarantee that the following players are shit: Bonham Hoever McNally Wilmot Rose Stevens Gooch Johnson Pearson Laurent Burger Vidigal Mmaee Gayle Wesley. The only players who escape the wrath are Junior, Baker and Bae because they haven't played too often but the more Bae plays the more shit he becomes according to the experts. Baker's a fall guy waiting to happen as soon as he starts regularly though. It's the same when players are out injured for a while.. they suddenly become world beaters who must be rushed back into the team ASAP...only for us to realise when they do return there still just as bad as they were before they were injured.. How long before our memories fade us and in our oatcake forum minds laurent becomes the midfielder we've been missing or Stevens is the experience glue to hold our defence together
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Post by GrahamHyde on Dec 30, 2023 0:13:35 GMT
The general feeling is that the feel good factor is returning. I fully expected we would lose at home to the bottom side under AN. Now I expect us to beat Ipswich on NYD Bring it on. Certainly don't expect us to beat Ipswich - they're a top side and will probably be in the Premier League next season. A draw would be a great result.
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Post by chiprockets on Dec 30, 2023 0:15:03 GMT
Don't get too upset by the match day thread, at various points you can guarantee that the following players are shit: Bonham Hoever McNally Wilmot Rose Stevens Gooch Johnson Pearson Laurent Burger Vidigal Mmaee Gayle Wesley. The only players who escape the wrath are Junior, Baker and Bae because they haven't played too often but the more Bae plays the more shit he becomes according to the experts. Baker's a fall guy waiting to happen as soon as he starts regularly though. It's the same when players are out injured for a while.. they suddenly become world beaters who must be rushed back into the team ASAP...only to realise when they do return there just as bad as they were before they were injured.. How long before our memories fade us and in our oatcake forum minds laurent becomes the midfielder we've been missing or Stevens is the experience glue to hold our defence together I do agree, that said using Stevens as an example, he would help out massively - he played under Wilder and he played a similar role from left back, albeit they had some crazy centre back stuff I don't think he's the glue though ???
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Post by Gods on Dec 30, 2023 0:49:11 GMT
We are favourites according to the bookies. Which bookies btw? Paddy power have us 7/4 Ipswich 7/5 which is still closer than I’d have it. Home advantage counts for everything in the Championship. For sure the bookmakers will fancy our chances more at home to Ipswich than away at Watford. And I think that's right, so do I.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2023 0:49:16 GMT
Opinions are fine and it makes the board much more entertaining. What is annoying when posters don’t sway on an opinion, and can’t admit they’re wrong (there’s a lot tbf) Just for the record, I think Wesley is absolutely useless, I can’t believe he’s a professional footballer he’s that bad.. but il be the first to admit I’m wrong If he turns things around I think you're safe on that one.
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Post by bagnallboothen on Dec 30, 2023 1:01:08 GMT
Calling some performances unacceptable is interesting.
The football we're playing compared to Sheffield Wednesday is night and day. We look like a team, we're prepared to play and we're getting men into the opposition box.
Watford are a decent side and whilst it's disappointing not to capitalise on playing against 10 for over half an hour, 3 weeks ago would it surprised you in the slightest if we'd lost?
I've been very critical of previous managers but for once it looks like we've got someone who has come with fresh ideas and is in touch with the modern game.
Calling some out for the second half is a joke.
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Post by theglove on Dec 30, 2023 1:01:09 GMT
Right I've got my tin hat on but can't say I'm bothered about the flack I'm about to get..... Like ive said in the title some stoke fans are pathetic reading some of the comments in the match thread..... some of you are unbelievable. I'm not sure what you expect... yes Watford were down to 10 men but you feel we've got a god given right to just roll them over. Overall our general play is far better than it was a few week ago, playing with much more purpose and higher tempo and a desire to win. I just don't know what some of you expect. Yes there's a lot of room for improvement but it doesn't happen over night.... The new gaffers just come in and taken 5 points from 9, We are now unbeaten in 5. Jesus just give it a rest and get behind the team. I can't believe all the moaning at times "I can't believe all the moaning" he moaned.
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Post by Bera’s Beano on Dec 30, 2023 8:52:00 GMT
To clarify, you think it’s worse for him to point out that on a forum people can voice the opinions they want and you should ‘suck it up’, than it is for someone to create a thread, and title it that people are pathetic for having an opinion? Ok… No. It's the boring over the top negativity that is used to hijack threads. People then get ripped just for basically saying 'it's too much' or daring to have a view that doesn't match the narrative of negativity. On today's match thread it was getting ridiculous, so many seemingly not willing to give Schumacher more than 2 weeks before attacking him isn't acceptable. I don’t think I saw anyone attacking Schumacher at all really. I did see many, including myself, lamenting the naivety of the players themselves and the lack of quality of a lot of the players, especially the subs that came on. As stated, he has these games really and through January to understand the squad and bring in what he needs to fill the holes in quality that we have. I like the guy and the early signs are positive. As Bayern has said, I just really hope he doesn’t bottle his philosophy if it doesn’t work for a while like previous managers have.
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Post by franklin on Dec 30, 2023 8:56:14 GMT
It's no different at a game people have a moan but it's words and they are gone once spoken and only heard by those immediately by you, here you have a moan but it's permanent and people can see what's been typed hours and days later. To suggest an "outburst" on here is any different to an "outburst" at a game is ridiculous.
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Post by theonlooker on Dec 30, 2023 9:04:22 GMT
Calling some performances unacceptable is interesting. The football we're playing compared to Sheffield Wednesday is night and day. We look like a team, we're prepared to play and we're getting men into the opposition box. Watford are a decent side and whilst it's disappointing not to capitalise on playing against 10 for over half an hour, 3 weeks ago would it surprised you in the slightest if we'd lost? I've been very critical of previous managers but for once it looks like we've got someone who has come with fresh ideas and is in touch with the modern game. Calling some out for the second half is a joke. It's mirrored by a lot of the ratings on the player ratings thread, where nearly all the subs are (correctly) awarded 4s and 5s. They pretty much all to a man made us worse and that can't be right. All they had to do was play sensible football and give us some legs but at times Watford, who would be just as tired as us, broke off us at will and caused us issues despite having a man less for around 30 minutes. Again, that can't be right but it was. Baker and Johnson were both tripping over the ball at times and Pearson was garbage from minute one. Hoever was nothing short of sloppy in possession and Thompson saw his performance drop off a cliff. Vidigal did nothing in the second half bar out two garbage crosses in and constantly got barged off the ball. Bae was also bang average on the ball and should have scored. I don't think it's too outrageous to describe some of the performances as unacceptable at all based on that. That said, the overall point of the new coach changing things or trying to is spot on. Interesting that he has held his hands up for the Mmaee sub being a mistake, so maybe he's giving himself some harsh criticism behind the scenes and away from the camera too?
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Post by scfcno1fan on Dec 30, 2023 9:09:29 GMT
No. It's the boring over the top negativity that is used to hijack threads. People then get ripped just for basically saying 'it's too much' or daring to have a view that doesn't match the narrative of negativity. On today's match thread it was getting ridiculous, so many seemingly not willing to give Schumacher more than 2 weeks before attacking him isn't acceptable. I don’t think I saw anyone attacking Schumacher at all really. I did see many, including myself, lamenting the naivety of the players themselves and the lack of quality of a lot of the players, especially the subs that came on. As stated, he has these games really and through January to understand the squad and bring in what he needs to fill the holes in quality that we have. I like the guy and the early signs are positive. As Bayern has said, I just really hope he doesn’t bottle his philosophy if it doesn’t work for a while like previous managers have. Last sentence is the key bit. Our previous managers have crapped themselves at the first sign of any trouble. Hopefully this one doesn’t do the same….
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Post by bagnallboothen on Dec 30, 2023 9:13:02 GMT
Calling some performances unacceptable is interesting. The football we're playing compared to Sheffield Wednesday is night and day. We look like a team, we're prepared to play and we're getting men into the opposition box. Watford are a decent side and whilst it's disappointing not to capitalise on playing against 10 for over half an hour, 3 weeks ago would it surprised you in the slightest if we'd lost? I've been very critical of previous managers but for once it looks like we've got someone who has come with fresh ideas and is in touch with the modern game. Calling some out for the second half is a joke. It's mirrored by a lot of the ratings on the player ratings thread, where nearly all the subs are (correctly) awarded 4s and 5s. They pretty much all to a man made us worse and that can't be right. All they had to do was play sensible football and give us some legs but at times Watford, who would be just as tired as us, broke off us at will and caused us issues despite having a man less for around 30 minutes. Again, that can't be right but it was. Baker and Johnson were both tripping over the ball at times and Pearson was garbage from minute one. Hoever was nothing short of sloppy in possession and Thompson saw his performance drop off a cliff. Vidigal did nothing in the second half bar out two garbage crosses in and constantly got barged off the ball. Bae was also bang average on the ball and should have scored. I don't think it's too outrageous to describe some of the performances as unacceptable at all based on that. That said, the overall point of the new coach changing things or trying to is spot on. Interesting that he has held his hands up for the Mmaee sub being a mistake, so maybe he's giving himself some harsh criticism behind the scenes and away from the camera too? He's young, I liked him holding his hands up but ultimately he will make mistakes but at least they're made in the right manner. It's 2 games in a row the subs have had a negative impact but it's that time of year where games come thick and fast, it also doesn't say a great deal for the last buffoon of a manager that they can't play 90mins with intensity. I'd rather see the positives at the minute with the new manager, although 5 points isn't life changing I think he's made a very good start.
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Post by theonlooker on Dec 30, 2023 9:16:05 GMT
It's mirrored by a lot of the ratings on the player ratings thread, where nearly all the subs are (correctly) awarded 4s and 5s. They pretty much all to a man made us worse and that can't be right. All they had to do was play sensible football and give us some legs but at times Watford, who would be just as tired as us, broke off us at will and caused us issues despite having a man less for around 30 minutes. Again, that can't be right but it was. Baker and Johnson were both tripping over the ball at times and Pearson was garbage from minute one. Hoever was nothing short of sloppy in possession and Thompson saw his performance drop off a cliff. Vidigal did nothing in the second half bar out two garbage crosses in and constantly got barged off the ball. Bae was also bang average on the ball and should have scored. I don't think it's too outrageous to describe some of the performances as unacceptable at all based on that. That said, the overall point of the new coach changing things or trying to is spot on. Interesting that he has held his hands up for the Mmaee sub being a mistake, so maybe he's giving himself some harsh criticism behind the scenes and away from the camera too? He's young, I liked him holding his hands up but ultimately he will make mistakes but at least they're made in the right manner. It's 2 games in a row the subs have had a negative impact but it's that time of year where games come thick and fast, it also doesn't say a great deal for the last buffoon of a manager that they can't play 90mins with intensity. I'd rather see the positives at the minute with the new manager, although 5 points isn't life changing I think he's made a very good start. Totally agree on the manager. I don't think a lot of people are being overly negative on him, just pointing out that certain players are or should be pretty much done here if we are to move forward with the type of football the new man wants to play?
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Post by Kingswaystokie on Dec 30, 2023 9:19:11 GMT
Could not agree more with the OP. The difference in attitude and effort of the players is exceptional and the new positivity is great to see, yet some still moan. Credit where it's due to the new manager......
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Post by bagnallboothen on Dec 30, 2023 9:19:12 GMT
He's young, I liked him holding his hands up but ultimately he will make mistakes but at least they're made in the right manner. It's 2 games in a row the subs have had a negative impact but it's that time of year where games come thick and fast, it also doesn't say a great deal for the last buffoon of a manager that they can't play 90mins with intensity. I'd rather see the positives at the minute with the new manager, although 5 points isn't life changing I think he's made a very good start. Totally agree on the manager. I don't think a lot of people are being overly negative on him, just pointing out that certain players are or should be pretty much done here if we are to move forward with the type of football the new man wants to play? I wouldn't disagree with that, I just think people have been very quick to jump back into the "we're shit, he's shit" mentality. It's going to take a bit of time, we have an inexperienced head coach who has already made a difference, people might have to be a little bit patient with everyone. Johnson, Baker, Hoever ain't good enough but for now it's what we've got.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Dec 30, 2023 9:22:42 GMT
Totally agree on the manager. I don't think a lot of people are being overly negative on him, just pointing out that certain players are or should be pretty much done here if we are to move forward with the type of football the new man wants to play? I wouldn't disagree with that, I just think people have been very quick to jump back into the "we're shit, he's shit" mentality. It's going to take a bit of time, we have an inexperienced head coach who has already made a difference, people might have to be a little bit patient with everyone. Johnson, Baker, Hoever ain't good enough but for now it's what we've got. Who are you quoting there !
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Post by baconburger on Dec 30, 2023 9:26:03 GMT
Opinions are fine and it makes the board much more entertaining. What is annoying when posters don’t sway on an opinion, and can’t admit they’re wrong (there’s a lot tbf) Just for the record, I think Wesley is absolutely useless, I can’t believe he’s a professional footballer he’s that bad.. but il be the first to admit I’m wrong If he turns things around What's more annoying is that you can't say something like Wesley is useless without adding a caveat of "if he's wrong I'll gladly be proven wrong" on this forum. It's fucking nuts. Wesley has been wank. It's fine to say so even if he goes on to win the Ballon d'Or. He’s been wank and looking at him the thing he’s most likely to go on and win is the blue badge than anything else.
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Post by baconburger on Dec 30, 2023 9:30:30 GMT
I don’t think I saw anyone attacking Schumacher at all really. I did see many, including myself, lamenting the naivety of the players themselves and the lack of quality of a lot of the players, especially the subs that came on. As stated, he has these games really and through January to understand the squad and bring in what he needs to fill the holes in quality that we have. I like the guy and the early signs are positive. As Bayern has said, I just really hope he doesn’t bottle his philosophy if it doesn’t work for a while like previous managers have. Last sentence is the key bit. Our previous managers have crapped themselves at the first sign of any trouble. Hopefully this one doesn’t do the same…. Our previous managers bar NJ have been very cautious by nature and have simply reverted to their default, that’s the difference. I hope.
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Post by pavel on Dec 30, 2023 9:30:45 GMT
Calling some performances unacceptable is interesting. The football we're playing compared to Sheffield Wednesday is night and day. We look like a team, we're prepared to play and we're getting men into the opposition box. Watford are a decent side and whilst it's disappointing not to capitalise on playing against 10 for over half an hour, 3 weeks ago would it surprised you in the slightest if we'd lost? I've been very critical of previous managers but for once it looks like we've got someone who has come with fresh ideas and is in touch with the modern game. Calling some out for the second half is a joke. It's mirrored by a lot of the ratings on the player ratings thread, where nearly all the subs are (correctly) awarded 4s and 5s. They pretty much all to a man made us worse and that can't be right. All they had to do was play sensible football and give us some legs but at times Watford, who would be just as tired as us, broke off us at will and caused us issues despite having a man less for around 30 minutes. Again, that can't be right but it was. Baker and Johnson were both tripping over the ball at times and Pearson was garbage from minute one. Hoever was nothing short of sloppy in possession and Thompson saw his performance drop off a cliff. Vidigal did nothing in the second half bar out two garbage crosses in and constantly got barged off the ball. Bae was also bang average on the ball and should have scored. I don't think it's too outrageous to describe some of the performances as unacceptable at all based on that. That said, the overall point of the new coach changing things or trying to is spot on. Interesting that he has held his hands up for the Mmaee sub being a mistake, so maybe he's giving himself some harsh criticism behind the scenes and away from the camera too? I didn’t find the 2nd half after the sending off unacceptable in the sense that we did what many teams do in that situation, the players rushed things and if anything we’re trying too hard and there was a lack of communication leadership and composure which was possibly down to our new footballing approach. I though Bae was excellent throughout, though he probably should of scored but you have to give credit to their keeper he was out in a flash. Pearson just does not suit Schumacher’s game and I noticed he gradually dropped deeper and deeper as the match went on, whether he can change is a moot point but it seems unlikely. Taking Mmaee off changed the match and let their defence off the hook, they basically had nothing to worry about. Every sub made us worse, which show an alarming lack of depth and also players that don’t buy in to or are unable to adjust to Schumacher’s high intensity game. I think the players were also knackered, three game in a row over a short period where they are rightly being asked to up their game and tempo to play the Schumacher way, I’ll give the starting players some slack for that 2nd half performance but it no way exonerates any of the subs who were to a man, woeful.
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Post by peterpan1 on Dec 30, 2023 9:30:53 GMT
I'd love to see the stats of when teams go down to 10 men and subsequently scrape a draw or win. It somehow galvanises the 10men and they become really difficult to break down, especially at home. We do still just about live in a democracy and people are entitled to their views however.
IMHO it does have a better feeling with the new man in the hotseat and we seem to be playing some good football, just not all the time. He needs to be given the time and tools to get us firing properly.
Had the previous manager still been at the helm for the last 3 games, I could see no more than 2 points, we got 5 👍
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Post by baconburger on Dec 30, 2023 9:34:08 GMT
The general feeling is that the feel good factor is returning. I fully expected we would lose at home to the bottom side under AN. Now I expect us to beat Ipswich on NYD Bring it on. Certainly don't expect us to beat Ipswich - they're a top side and will probably be in the Premier League next season. A draw would be a great result. They’ll come after us. It’s the type of game we’ve won over the last few seasons.
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Post by BristolMick on Dec 30, 2023 9:39:17 GMT
Fitness looked to be an issue tonight,which we were all aware of. I think it's important to recognise that we've played 3 games in a week and it takes its toll. The team had better get used to high intensity football because that's what the manager expects in every game. There were some tired legs out there tonight but their fitness WILL improve over the next month. I would have been happy with a point before the game, so we move on. Disappointing that we couldn't capitalise playing against 10 men but we have to accept that our style of play has changed dramatically in less than a month. Yes, 3 games in a week Alex Neil style where most players hardly break into a sweat would take much less of a toll on the players for sure. These last 2 games have shown that we might already have a fair few talented and gifted footballers in our ranks. Who knew?? BM
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Post by baconburger on Dec 30, 2023 9:41:58 GMT
It's mirrored by a lot of the ratings on the player ratings thread, where nearly all the subs are (correctly) awarded 4s and 5s. They pretty much all to a man made us worse and that can't be right. All they had to do was play sensible football and give us some legs but at times Watford, who would be just as tired as us, broke off us at will and caused us issues despite having a man less for around 30 minutes. Again, that can't be right but it was. Baker and Johnson were both tripping over the ball at times and Pearson was garbage from minute one. Hoever was nothing short of sloppy in possession and Thompson saw his performance drop off a cliff. Vidigal did nothing in the second half bar out two garbage crosses in and constantly got barged off the ball. Bae was also bang average on the ball and should have scored. I don't think it's too outrageous to describe some of the performances as unacceptable at all based on that. That said, the overall point of the new coach changing things or trying to is spot on. Interesting that he has held his hands up for the Mmaee sub being a mistake, so maybe he's giving himself some harsh criticism behind the scenes and away from the camera too? I didn’t find the 2nd half after the sending off unacceptable in the sense that we did what many teams do in that situation, the players rushed things and if anything we’re trying too hard and there was a lack of communication leadership and composure which was possibly down to our new footballing approach. I though Bae was excellent throughout, though he probably should of scored but you have to give credit to their keeper he was out in a flash. Pearson just does not suit Schumacher’s game and I noticed he gradually dropped deeper and deeper as the match went on, whether he can change is a moot point but it seems unlikely. Taking Mmaee off changed the match and let their defence off the hook, they basically had nothing to worry about. Every sub made us worse, which show an alarming lack of depth and also players that don’t buy in to or are unable to adjust to Schumacher’s high intensity game. I think the players were also knackered, three game in a row over a short period where they are rightly being asked to up their game and tempo to play the Schumacher way, I’ll give the starting players some slack for that 2nd half performance but it no way exonerates any of the subs who were to a man, woeful. Agree on Pearson I just can’t see him being able to live with the intensity demanded. Baker was unable to work to AN’s demands and Wes is simply incapable of any degree of movement. As for Johnson he just did what he’s been doing nothing of any great effect. Hopefully AN gets another job and wants to get the gang back together.
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Dec 30, 2023 9:44:38 GMT
Calling some performances unacceptable is interesting. The football we're playing compared to Sheffield Wednesday is night and day. We look like a team, we're prepared to play and we're getting men into the opposition box. Watford are a decent side and whilst it's disappointing not to capitalise on playing against 10 for over half an hour, 3 weeks ago would it surprised you in the slightest if we'd lost? I've been very critical of previous managers but for once it looks like we've got someone who has come with fresh ideas and is in touch with the modern game. Calling some out for the second half is a joke. It's mirrored by a lot of the ratings on the player ratings thread, where nearly all the subs are (correctly) awarded 4s and 5s. They pretty much all to a man made us worse and that can't be right. All they had to do was play sensible football and give us some legs but at times Watford, who would be just as tired as us, broke off us at will and caused us issues despite having a man less for around 30 minutes. Again, that can't be right but it was. Baker and Johnson were both tripping over the ball at times and Pearson was garbage from minute one. Hoever was nothing short of sloppy in possession and Thompson saw his performance drop off a cliff. Vidigal did nothing in the second half bar out two garbage crosses in and constantly got barged off the ball. Bae was also bang average on the ball and should have scored. I don't think it's too outrageous to describe some of the performances as unacceptable at all based on that. That said, the overall point of the new coach changing things or trying to is spot on. Interesting that he has held his hands up for the Mmaee sub being a mistake, so maybe he's giving himself some harsh criticism behind the scenes and away from the camera too? It's mirrored by a lot of the ratings on the player ratings thread, where nearly all the subs are (correctly) awarded 4s and 5s. They pretty much all to a man made us worse and that can't be right. All they had to do was play sensible football and give us some legs but at times Watford, who would be just as tired as us, broke off us at will and caused us issues despite having a man less for around 30 minutes. Again, that can't be right but it was. Baker and Johnson were both tripping over the ball at times and Pearson was garbage from minute one. Hoever was nothing short of sloppy in possession and Thompson saw his performance drop off a cliff. Vidigal did nothing in the second half bar out two garbage crosses in and constantly got barged off the ball. Bae was also bang average on the ball and should have scored. I don't think it's too outrageous to describe some of the performances as unacceptable at all based on that. That said, the overall point of the new coach changing things or trying to is spot on. Interesting that he has held his hands up for the Mmaee sub being a mistake, so maybe he's giving himself some harsh criticism behind the scenes and away from the camera too? He's young, I liked him holding his hands up but ultimately he will make mistakes but at least they're made in the right manner. It's 2 games in a row the subs have had a negative impact but it's that time of year where games come thick and fast, it also doesn't say a great deal for the last buffoon of a manager that they can't play 90mins with intensity. I'd rather see the positives at the minute with the new manager, although 5 points isn't life changing I think he's made a very good start. I'm glad to hear he said that and I was hoping he would do. It seems to be in his character to be open and honest and admit mistakes and the substitutions of Mmae and Burger were clearly just that. Mistakes. Everyone makes them and it's learning from them that's important so it's great to hear him acknowledging it publicly so we know that he saw the same thing that the rest of us saw. That we got significantly worse after those two substitutions were made.
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Post by Gods on Dec 30, 2023 9:55:02 GMT
I think with hindsight Bae needed to lift the ball when he was through with just the keeper to beat.
The keeper was out like a shot and spread himself low, Bae tried to look to his right and roll the ball to his left but it struck the keepers outstretched foot.
A sand wedge instead and we'd all be celebrating 3 points today.
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Post by wakeypotter on Dec 30, 2023 9:58:03 GMT
Which bookies btw? Paddy power have us 7/4 Ipswich 7/5 which is still closer than I’d have it. Home advantage counts for everything in the Championship. For sure the bookmakers will fancy our chances more at home to Ipswich than away at Watford. And I think that's right, so do I. I think we will beat Ipswich
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Post by baconburger on Dec 30, 2023 9:59:15 GMT
Home advantage counts for everything in the Championship. For sure the bookmakers will fancy our chances more at home to Ipswich than away at Watford. And I think that's right, so do I. I think we will beat Ipswich I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised either.
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