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Post by stantheman on Dec 29, 2023 21:58:03 GMT
When I saw Wes warming up, I was hoping he'd be going up front with Mmaee and us going 4-4-2 against 10 men
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Post by questionable on Dec 29, 2023 21:59:15 GMT
More than happy with a point and SS getting to know what he’s got at his disposal.
There was nothing on the bench that wins us/improves the game and we needed fresh legs coming on at some point to help out fatigue wise.
Let’s hope we have a few players coming in and a few players going out.
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Post by emretezzy on Dec 29, 2023 21:59:29 GMT
I don’t really get the negativity. You can see the influence Schumacher has had already. We are so much more positive. Unfortunately there’s a good chunk of the squad who don’t have the required fitness levels to play how he wants . Add the fact that there’s so many games in such a short space, he obviously felt the need to look after certain players (Mmaee, Burger & Tchamadeu). I’m on board, it’s infinitely better that what we’ve witnessed under Neil. I'm on board generally and I like our more positive approach. But 10 men isn't an opportunity you get often and we really should have been going for it. By a considerable distance our two best players tonight were Mmae and Burger. We were starting to build up a head of steam and looking threatening. Why on earth we took that to be the moment to take both of them off lord only knows. It handed the momentum over to them and we were a total mess for the rest of the game. Needs to learn quickly from this. We got away with one tonight. He thought we would win without them and was saving for Ipswich. Would have taken a point before hand but I'm sure he will be annoyed st pulling the trigger 10/15 too early
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Post by mrrine on Dec 29, 2023 21:59:33 GMT
Totally unacceptable post-sending off. It wasn’t really, 10 men always dig in. I'd have been happy with a point at kick off. I would not have been happy with playing with fear and churning out that level of poor performance against 10 men with that much of the game to play. Pants subs and totally unacceptable effort levels/delivery from the players. I don't think 10 men *always dig in* sometimes they get thoroughly battered, and it's testament to how unacceptable that performance was that it was touch and go whether we'd hang on for a point.
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Post by 4doorsaloon on Dec 29, 2023 22:01:16 GMT
Same shit different day. Very poor management not to beat 10 men over 40 mins. Watford manager won that tactical battle.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Dec 29, 2023 22:02:00 GMT
Did their player throw the ball at the ref? He did. Thought I imagined that
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Post by robstokie on Dec 29, 2023 22:02:32 GMT
Feels like 2 points lost at the moment, considering how we dropped off when they had their guy sent off. Think we got complacent, made some wrong changes at the wrong time and overplayed it in the final third. There's positives to take away too - at least Schumi was proactive to make changes and, once he has a bit more time working with these players, that will be an asset, plus it's an away point at a side that are fighting for the play-offs. It wasn't quite our night, but it was a hell of a lot better than the shower of shit served up under the baldy Scottish gnome!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2023 22:02:55 GMT
It is, I agree. That doesn't stop us from commenting on this match in isolation though does it? In isolation, this is still miles better. That 2nd half wasn't mate.
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Post by wakeypotter on Dec 29, 2023 22:03:03 GMT
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Post by Bera’s Beano on Dec 29, 2023 22:03:11 GMT
I’m not going to question anything Schumacher does before the end of January to be fair. When he came in I was almost happy to write off the Christmas fixtures as long as we see a clear improvement in the work ethic and attitude.
Which we definitely have seen for sure. The disappointment in that game was the lack of cutting edge and composure from the players we do have. We should have taken our time and been patient but we seemed to be in such a rush to score we were just giving it away all the time.
I can so far say, especially with any additions he can make in Jan, that with Schumacher in charge, we’re much more likely to be pushing top half than in the relegation picture.
As long as he sees what he needs to about certain players who clearly won’t fit how he wants to play and haven’t got it in them.
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Post by bojanwonder on Dec 29, 2023 22:03:46 GMT
Shuey doesn't sound too happy tonight. Trying to suppress his frustration by the sound of it. Not afraid to admit his mistakes with subs though, so fair play!
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Post by clarkeda on Dec 29, 2023 22:06:45 GMT
Is it me? I didn’t think we were that bad?
We weren’t prime Barca agreed, but some nice one touch pass and move stuff that didn’t quite come off, a poor miss from Bae and a good save from Mmaee and it’s easily 3-1.
We rode our luck at times but that’s what happens when you push on.
I didnt necessarily agree with his subs, but fixture congestion, learning the squad and fitness levels all play a part and must be some of the rationale behind it.
3 unbeaten since He’s come in and 5 unbeaten over all isnt to be sniffed at.
I’ve always said it, won your home games and draw your away and you will be promoted.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 29, 2023 22:06:47 GMT
He’s just said that taking Maae off in hindsight was a mistake(how refreshing) but needed to save him for other games and can’t run him into the ground
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Post by sealion100 on Dec 29, 2023 22:07:08 GMT
Good to hear him admit he got the subs wrong !!!
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Post by stokesupporter on Dec 29, 2023 22:07:59 GMT
Decent point, our passing was miles off all night and most of them were dead on their feet towards the end. The subs pretty much killed any chance we had of winning and Watford looked to more likely to score. Have to agree at least partly with you. Subbing Mmaee was mistake, he'd like to stay on and didn't look tired at all.
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Post by barcaontrent on Dec 29, 2023 22:08:53 GMT
Thought poor management to take off Burger and Mmae, lost main threats and our control of the game
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Post by wakeypotter on Dec 29, 2023 22:09:56 GMT
Watford pundits have been a complete biased joke. I loved it when they kept arguing that their player kicked McNally, which deserved a red card, but because the ref didn’t see it and then their player immediately elbowed McNally, which the ref did see, that their player didn’t deserve a red card 😂 Watford on a whole are biased moanining pricks who think there bigger and better than they are
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Post by theporcelainpele on Dec 29, 2023 22:11:30 GMT
He’s just said that taking Maae off in hindsight was a mistake(how refreshing) but needed to save him for other games and can’t run him into the ground Fair play for him saying that but that’s where he will come unstuck because we haven't got a replacement for Mmaee. A game every three days really isn’t helping us at all right now.
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Post by matelot1996 on Dec 29, 2023 22:11:56 GMT
Missing Laurent. Fuck off 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 call me mad but I'd have preferred Laurent off the bench to Baker in the second half Neither of them belong at our club so why bring either of them on. Fuck them off with the rest of the dross that have nothing to offer.
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Post by wakeypotter on Dec 29, 2023 22:12:14 GMT
Could easily have lost so take it but not great. Midfield was no existent as pre Schu days but enforced a bit, Baker way off fitness. Think he took Junior off to avoid a second yellow but missed Gooch and Thompson in the middle. They're a powerful side and good wingers Porteous would have done us just fine, good solid defender. Didn't deserve to win it. Play Pearson midfield v Ipswich and we lose Starting to agree with you re Pearson he was garbage today
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 29, 2023 22:12:45 GMT
He’s just said that taking Maae off in hindsight was a mistake(how refreshing) but needed to save him for other games and can’t run him into the ground Fair play for him saying that but that’s where he will come unstuck because we haven't got a replacement for Mmaee. A game every three days really isn’t helping us at all right now. And that’s exactly what he said in a roundabout way.
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Post by emretezzy on Dec 29, 2023 22:12:52 GMT
Is it me? I didn’t think we were that bad? We weren’t prime Barca agreed, but some nice one touch pass and move stuff that didn’t quite come off, a poor miss from Bae and a good save from Mmaee and it’s easily 3-1. We rode our luck at times but that’s what happens when you push on. I didnt necessarily agree with his subs, but fixture congestion, learning the squad and fitness levels all play a part and must be some of the rationale behind it. 3 unbeaten since He’s come in and 5 unbeaten over all isnt to be sniffed at. I’ve always said it, won your home games and draw your away and you will be promoted. Did well mate, tough away from home, I actually think 10 men in a way helped them as they just played complete counter football which wouldn't have worked been at home with a crowd with full 11. Good point, seen more of the squad and 'wrongly' we manged to rest a couple of key players for a massive match New Years Day.
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Post by karl on Dec 29, 2023 22:15:45 GMT
It was a good point and we should have taken our chances and we would have got all 3. Will that be the same starting 11 for Ipswich.
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Post by stokest5 on Dec 29, 2023 22:16:32 GMT
Hoever looked like he’d been plucked from the crowd and given a stoke kit. What's happened to Hoever - looks like he doesn't want to be here and likely needs sending back in January God knows maybe it’s his attitude that wolves fans have said about in the past. I could overlook his defensive attributes because he looked dangerous attacking but he’s wank at both now. Came on has a late sub he looked like he’d played 180 minutes none stop. Lazy and sluggish. Still hopeful he will get better though.
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Post by swandog73 on Dec 29, 2023 22:17:16 GMT
Excellent point, still no loss, thought today would be tough due to their loss against Bristol, happy at moment, Ipswich will be very difficult, can only see a loss unfortunately!
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Dec 29, 2023 22:18:42 GMT
Is it me? I didn’t think we were that bad? We weren’t prime Barca agreed, but some nice one touch pass and move stuff that didn’t quite come off, a poor miss from Bae and a good save from Mmaee and it’s easily 3-1. We rode our luck at times but that’s what happens when you push on. I didnt necessarily agree with his subs, but fixture congestion, learning the squad and fitness levels all play a part and must be some of the rationale behind it. 3 unbeaten since He’s come in and 5 unbeaten over all isnt to be sniffed at. I’ve always said it, won your home games and draw your away and you will be promoted. Did well mate, tough away from home, I actually think 10 men in a way helped them as they just played complete counter football which wouldn't have worked been at home with a crowd with full 11. Good point, seen more of the squad and 'wrongly' we manged to rest a couple of key players for a massive match New Years Day. Our midfield wasn't in it and yep, the red card didn't make much of a difference at all. We cut off their wide men later on as were causing us all kinds of problens but they changed it with good subs and broke more central. A point is a point and if any team deserved it was them
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Post by stokest5 on Dec 29, 2023 22:18:53 GMT
Same shit different day. Very poor management not to beat 10 men over 40 mins. Watford manager won that tactical battle. I wouldn’t say they won the tactical battle just a massive lack of quality on the pitch on our behalf.
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Post by tosspotter on Dec 29, 2023 22:23:30 GMT
Tough game, a point was about right. I thought Watford were a pretty cohesive outfit and considering the short time SS has been there, they still put in a decent shift for him. He's still getting to know the players, their atributes and their limitations, but if we would have put that performance in 2 weeks ago we would have all been on here shouting positives.
I didn't really agree with the substitutions, but there was nothing to change the game on the bench and I could at least see why he made them, unlike the last gaffer, that just left me confused and frustrated.
Great shift again by Burger, thought Haksabonovic looked promising, with Mmaee and Vidigal improving, would like to see Bae out a bit wider, or spend some time in the Gym to toughen up a bit.
All in all, it's going pretty well so far.
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Post by march4 on Dec 29, 2023 22:27:39 GMT
Am I the only one who spent that game screaming like I’m on some devilish rollercoaster? Enjoyed it thoroughly but struggling to get my heart rate back to normal.
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Post by mrnovember on Dec 29, 2023 22:30:23 GMT
Missing Laurent. Fuck off 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 call me mad but I'd have preferred Laurent off the bench to Baker in the second half You're mad mate. We miss Laurent like I miss that case of volcanic piles that kept me out of doggingfest2023.
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