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Post by Bera’s Beano on Dec 29, 2023 21:45:23 GMT
Baring in mind that every complaint is relative to the previous utter shite we were being served under Neil and we have been a million times better than we were before...
However, every one of those players should be embarrassed by that showing once they went to 10 men. Not that we didn't win, but the fact we were sloppy with our possession, getting overrun by a team with less players for 20 minutes and generally created next to nothing.
If we'd gone down to 10 Watford wouldn't have got out of our half. We just created so many issues for ourselves.
Again, compared to what we had to watch for 18 months - 5 years, its still a completely different world so far. I don't think the subs were right but I like that he at least tries stuff and hopefully some of those will have helped with the team he can then put out for Ipswich. Got to win your home games after all.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 29, 2023 21:45:26 GMT
Solid point towards 50 and infested the worst after the sending off , he’s made absolutely bizarre subs tonight but is certainly making a better fist of a poor squad then his predecessor did hopefully it will be enough to see us safe
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Post by kidcrewbob on Dec 29, 2023 21:45:48 GMT
Work in progress - lots to focus on not least confidence levels and basic passing accuracy …….would have settled for a point before and again from 75 mins!
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Dec 29, 2023 21:45:48 GMT
We’d have taken a point at kick off. Playing against 10 when you have made loads of changes and your manager is still finding his way around the squad is challenge enough. He’s a smart cookie and will have learned a great deal. Onwards and upwards.
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Post by sealion100 on Dec 29, 2023 21:45:50 GMT
Good point … poor second half … really sloppy in possession To many finished players in the squad … baker , Gayle, Johnson, Stevens ….. to be honest it’s embarrassing Gotta have the bollocks to play the youngsters sometimes
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Post by collo68 on Dec 29, 2023 21:45:51 GMT
Johnson has had an interesting cameo. Kept standing still in space but somehow never managed to be on for a pass, always hiding behind a Watford player and then not moving to make a pass available. Signed him two years too late. He’s shit. Desperate isn’t he, kept passing it backwards and slowing the game down. Hoever just as bad.
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Post by theonlooker on Dec 29, 2023 21:45:53 GMT
The only positive is the manager has seen first hand just what he has to work with and what he has to move out, starting next week.
Thank the lord for Wouter Burger and Ryan Mmaee.
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Post by chiprockets on Dec 29, 2023 21:46:23 GMT
It's crazy,we had a better chance of winning against 11 players. we were rushing everything vs 10, like it was urgent to score immediately
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Post by stokecitydom on Dec 29, 2023 21:46:31 GMT
I don’t really get the negativity.
You can see the influence Schumacher has had already. We are so much more positive. Unfortunately there’s a good chunk of the squad who don’t have the required fitness levels to play how he wants . Add the fact that there’s so many games in such a short space, he obviously felt the need to look after certain players (Mmaee, Burger & Tchamadeu).
I’m on board, it’s infinitely better that what we’ve witnessed under Neil.
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Post by stokemark on Dec 29, 2023 21:46:33 GMT
Hopefully the management will hunt down and eject the plethora of absolute charlatans that now play for this club. Alex Niel and Tricky are a pair of clowns for what they have signed. That was soul destroying. Statistically speaking 50% of transfers don't work out and to be fair we have some decent players too
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Post by SCFC92 on Dec 29, 2023 21:46:46 GMT
That game was mental.
I'll take the point, a tad disappointed and I expect Shoey has learned alot about a few of the fringe players tonight.
Onto the next, get 3 points against Ipswich (unlikely I know) and that would be 8 from Christmas.
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Post by BuckRogers on Dec 29, 2023 21:46:51 GMT
Good point. Keeps the run going
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Post by tqstokie on Dec 29, 2023 21:46:53 GMT
Well we did not lose but a chance to get another three points went begging. We really need a John Ritchie. Generally we are playing better but do not have the personnel for plan B. Substitutes were poor quality.
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Post by thisisouryear on Dec 29, 2023 21:47:06 GMT
He's been atrocious in anything other than running Atrocious? Really? Jesus wept. He's not a Stoke fan he's a troll. Disappears after a win and turns up slagging everything off when we don't.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Dec 29, 2023 21:47:07 GMT
No decent subs. Wesley shocking. Lost all chances of scoring when Burger and Mmaee came off. This. All were poor particularly Johnson who couldn’t be less interested if he tried. Hopefully we’ll shift him now Neil’s gone. Wesley offers nothing.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 29, 2023 21:47:30 GMT
The amount of fixtures has caught up with a lot of our players and tonight showed a lack of stamina/fitness for a few of them. 3 unbeaten since Schumacher came in is not to be sniffed at and let’s think positive and say 5 unbeaten 😊👍
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Post by yellowsnowman on Dec 29, 2023 21:47:38 GMT
Watford pundits have been a complete biased joke. Not one nice comment. Tbf we were not great but still loads better then what we have been.
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Post by matelot1996 on Dec 29, 2023 21:48:02 GMT
Totally unacceptable post-sending off. It wasn’t really, 10 men always dig in. That doesn’t account for our lack of absolutely anything resembling a decent footballing side. That was really bad second half. Pure amateur football.
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Post by redwhitesingfight on Dec 29, 2023 21:48:18 GMT
Did we check if Johnson was a footballer before we signed him.
Wesley may as well and go do something else.
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Post by viewfromthecrowsnest on Dec 29, 2023 21:48:40 GMT
Some excellent movement up front.
Junho, Hals, Vidi, Mmaee all had good games.
Wes, Johnson, Baker all absolutely dogshit.
Great(ish) to be disappointed with a draw.
Watford represented everything that is awful with football.
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Post by gingerninja on Dec 29, 2023 21:48:43 GMT
Baker is slow, weak and generally piss poor, the back up players by and large added nothing, Watford were probably the worse team to go down to 10 men, they are very pacy in transition and at times looked a real handful.
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Post by apb1 on Dec 29, 2023 21:48:45 GMT
Can't believe the level of negativity. We played ok and we got a useful point - in London or thereabouts which we never do. Schuey is learning about the squad and we haven't lost in 5 (albeit lots of draws). Our striker got a great goal, and there were some good individual performances. Still a lot of unforced errors and you hate to see us give a corner away but just can't see any comparison with the Neil era!
New keeper, CB and LB please and keep on building.
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Post by chamberlain on Dec 29, 2023 21:48:47 GMT
We looked knackered 2nd half and once Mmaee and Burger went off any threat we had was gone. Something Shoey would have learnt is that Hoever is fucking useless and Pearson and Johnson are far too slow to play his type of football.
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Post by trincostokie on Dec 29, 2023 21:48:55 GMT
I don’t really get the negativity. You can see the influence Schumacher has had already. We are so much more positive. Unfortunately there’s a good chunk of the squad who don’t have the required fitness levels to play how he wants . Add the fact that there’s so many games in such a short space, he obviously felt the need to look after certain players (Mmaee, Burger & Tchamadeu). I’m on board, it’s infinitely better that what we’ve witnessed under Neil. My thoughts exactly
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Post by lordb on Dec 29, 2023 21:48:57 GMT
Baring in mind that every complaint is relative to the previous utter shite we were being served under Neil and we have been a million times better than we were before... However, every one of those players should be embarrassed by that showing once they went to 10 men. Not that we didn't win, but the fact we were sloppy with our possession, getting overrun by a team with less players for 20 minutes and generally created next to nothing. If we'd gone down to 10 Watford wouldn't have got out of our half. We just created so many issues for ourselves. Again, compared to what we had to watch for 18 months - 5 years, its still a completely different world so far. I don't think the subs were right but I like that he at least tries stuff and hopefully some of those will have helped with the team he can then put out for Ipswich. Got to win your home games after all. Think that's really harsh, Stoke inter play was really good at times, 3 good chances to win Junho should score, Mmaee unlucky not to score and Baker fluffed his chance Thought the Wes sub didn't work and Johnson was poor
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Post by onyourbonce on Dec 29, 2023 21:49:00 GMT
Signed him two years too late. He’s shit. Desperate isn’t he, kept passing it backwards and slowing the game down. Hoever just as bad. Sounds very much like Pearson aswell
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Dec 29, 2023 21:49:02 GMT
Johnson is one of the wankest players we’ve ever signed.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 29, 2023 21:49:11 GMT
The only positive is the manager has seen first hand just what he has to work with and what he has to move out, starting next week. Thank the lord for Wouter Burger and Ryan Mmaee. Although he tired towards the end Haksabanovic was a big positive as well, and despite being sloppy in possession at times I thought Bae Junho grew into the game and worked his socks off. Vidigal is a worry, I hope it's just a lack of confidence as he looks weak as piss at the moment......
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Post by stokest5 on Dec 29, 2023 21:49:15 GMT
Signed him two years too late. He’s shit. Desperate isn’t he, kept passing it backwards and slowing the game down. Hoever just as bad. Hoever looked like he’d been plucked from the crowd and given a stoke kit.
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Post by firfuxache on Dec 29, 2023 21:49:32 GMT
Frustrating. Poor substitutions it has to be said which took away the bit of momentum we were building with Junho's miss and Mmae looking threatening. Then he inexplicably took Mmae off and Burger who had literally just played Junho clean through a couple of minutes before. All momentum evaporated from that point as we replaced them with inferior players and it became a mess after that. Really hope Schumacher learns from this because he's made his first mistakes tonight. No defeat away from home, 3rd game in less than a week, second away game in 4 days, a depleted squad due to injuries. Maybe the level of fatigue and an unbalanced squad had something to do with the availability of quality subs. You can’t put that on Schumacher, if you think he needs to learn a lesson from that you need to look in the mirror a bit harder.
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