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Post by cvillestokie on Dec 23, 2023 17:24:20 GMT
Jacob Browns goals are a big miss slated on here buy many,now we cannot score His general work rate is a miss, never mind the 10 a season he’d probably get this year (more than I expect the rest to do but not a strong milestone for an attacking player). Work rate matters. The current lack of it is disappointing to say the least.
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Post by mtrstudent on Dec 23, 2023 17:26:18 GMT
I saw more promising stuff from Mmae than Vidigal today, had bright sparks.
Vidigal had a bad one but looked a bit better after the subs.
Leris is the bigger worry for me.
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Post by mtrstudent on Dec 23, 2023 17:26:59 GMT
Jacob Browns goals are a big miss slated on here buy many,now we cannot score His general work rate is a miss, never mind the 10 a season he’d probably get this year (more than I expect the rest to do but not a strong milestone for an attacking player). Work rate matters. The current lack of it is disappointing to say the least. I think 10 would be an upgrade on what we'll see from Leris. Prove me wrong Mehdi lad!
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Dec 23, 2023 17:27:10 GMT
Stoke City nil.
How many times we're we attacking and one of these pair were lying on the floor feigning injury?
Fair weather fairies.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 23, 2023 17:28:06 GMT
Mmaee is decent. Use him properly and he'll score a bucket load. Vidigal is shite sadly. Absolute rubbish.
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Post by samuel32 on Dec 23, 2023 17:31:22 GMT
His general work rate is a miss, never mind the 10 a season he’d probably get this year (more than I expect the rest to do but not a strong milestone for an attacking player). Work rate matters. The current lack of it is disappointing to say the least. I think 10 would be an upgrade on what we'll see from Leris. Prove me wrong Mehdi lad! The fact that we actively picked this guy out above the hundreds of footballers in the leagues below and abroad is an embarrassment. You have to be quick and strong in this league. Leris is essentially neither. And wondering about Vidigal now as well. Does Jared Dublin understand Championship football? Doubt it
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 23, 2023 17:40:59 GMT
Leris and Johnson were way worse….
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Post by theonlooker on Dec 23, 2023 17:41:44 GMT
Mmaee is decent. Use him properly and he'll score a bucket load. Vidigal is shite sadly. I'd be interested to know what you are seeing? I don't see any goalscoring instincts in Mmaee tbh atm. I'm seeing a striker who is isolated against two centre halves most of the time and struggling with nobody within 10 foot of him. I'm seeing that when we do get the ball into his feet with quality and bodies around him, a striker that opens the game up and creates. If others can't see that then I can't help them. Bare in mind we're dealing with fans that wrote Arnautovic off within weeks, labelled him a bone idle show pony before crying like babies when he jacked us off for West Ham. With respect mate, I've seen this argument loads of times down the years, going back as far as Peter Thorne who was villified to death.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 23, 2023 17:43:14 GMT
I'd be interested to know what you are seeing? I don't see any goalscoring instincts in Mmaee tbh atm. I'm seeing a striker who is isolated against two centre halves most of the time and struggling with nobody within 10 foot of him. I'm seeing that when we do get the ball into his feet with quality and bodies around him, a striker that opens the game up and creates. If others can't see that then I can't help them. Bare in mind we're dealing with fans that wrote Arnautovic off within weeks, labelled him a bone idle show pony before crying like babies when he jacked us off for West Ham. With respect mate, I've seen this argument loads of times down the years, going back as far as Peter Thorne who was villified to death. No one gets anywhere near him. What the fuck is he meant to do?
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Dec 23, 2023 17:48:08 GMT
Vidigal was maybe better as they took the fullback off? Looked to lack pace?
I like Mmaee, but he's not a lone striker. Would him and Wesley work together?
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Post by chad on Dec 23, 2023 17:50:01 GMT
Vidigal shows promise. Maee just isn’t good enough for English football
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Post by spoton on Dec 23, 2023 17:51:01 GMT
Fanciful signings. My bet they never play in England again after they leave Stoke. I've got to agree both are shocking Vidigal needs to learn basics of football and try not to impress to much but both need gone
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 23, 2023 17:52:59 GMT
I'm seeing a striker who is isolated against two centre halves most of the time and struggling with nobody within 10 foot of him. I'm seeing that when we do get the ball into his feet with quality and bodies around him, a striker that opens the game up and creates. If others can't see that then I can't help them. Bare in mind we're dealing with fans that wrote Arnautovic off within weeks, labelled him a bone idle show pony before crying like babies when he jacked us off for West Ham. With respect mate, I've seen this argument loads of times down the years, going back as far as Peter Thorne who was villified to death. No one gets anywhere near him. What the fuck is he meant to do? Hold the ball up better, not get knocked off the ball as easily, not dither when he actually gets the ball so much that we lose momentum, not fall over all the time acting like a fanny, not always get annoyed when he realises the game here is far too physical for him. But apart from that not much he can do is there.
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Post by smallthorner on Dec 23, 2023 17:53:25 GMT
Until people start realising that Dublins duds are the big problem nothing will change. His signings have been absolutely atrocious. We are where we are because of him and his rubbish. Sack the clown before January. Absolutely. Now he's recruited a nothing manager who will be like a fish out of water at a big club (financially) like stoke.
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Post by moon on Dec 23, 2023 17:54:10 GMT
Vidigal shows promise. Maee just isn’t good enough for English football Mmaee isn’t suited to the role he’s being asked to play, I think there is a decent player in there if we find the right formation. Anyone would struggle up front for us at the moment as we create so little.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 23, 2023 17:55:27 GMT
No one gets anywhere near him. What the fuck is he meant to do? Hold the ball up better, not get knocked off the ball as easily, not dither when he actually gets the ball so much that we lose momentum, not fall over all the time acting like a fanny, not always get annoyed when he realises the game here is far too physical for him. He was the only one he did anything with it in the attacking half. Bar maybe Bae. We need to play 4231 and get people around him.
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Post by march4 on Dec 23, 2023 17:57:52 GMT
...need to be sent out on loan to a Division One club to learn the basics of English football. Lightweight is an understatement. As for Leris, Division Two maybe? Need to go. Clearly no where near good enough.
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Post by theonlooker on Dec 23, 2023 18:03:05 GMT
Hold the ball up better, not get knocked off the ball as easily, not dither when he actually gets the ball so much that we lose momentum, not fall over all the time acting like a fanny, not always get annoyed when he realises the game here is far too physical for him. He was the only one he did anything with it in the attacking half. Bar maybe Bae. We need to play 4231 and get people around him. It's clear as day what they need to do with our forward line isn't it? 4231, Bae behind Mmaee and two wide men that cut in. He's a striker you build a team around, not a battering ram that has to try and run around and knock two shades of shit out of Jake Cooper and Wes Harding for two number 8s to pick up the bits and pieces. That's Wesley's game but even he'd struggle with what we gave Mmaee today.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Dec 23, 2023 18:03:24 GMT
At the moment Vidigal looks like a £500k winger from some second tier Portuguese side.
The directness and creativity which he showed at the start of the season seems to have completely disappeared.
Maybe it is a lack of confidence? Maybe he needs a little hug and TLC from the gaffer?
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Post by Clem Fandango on Dec 23, 2023 18:05:36 GMT
Hold the ball up better, not get knocked off the ball as easily, not dither when he actually gets the ball so much that we lose momentum, not fall over all the time acting like a fanny, not always get annoyed when he realises the game here is far too physical for him. He was the only one he did anything with it in the attacking half. Bar maybe Bae. We need to play 4231 and get people around him. Play more like we did the second half and he’ll score goals. People are judging him on games where we’ve played like the first half today. I’ve said it so many times we’ve had ridiculous numbers of strikers in all shapes and sizes come through this club in recent years. We are side that creates very little and often leaves the striker isolated.
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Post by stokecitydom on Dec 23, 2023 18:08:07 GMT
I think Mmaee is a clever footballer. He’s never a lone striker though. He needs bodies around him.
Vidigal probably has something, but he’s not cut out for this league.
Leris is just a poor footballer.
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Post by questionable on Dec 23, 2023 18:09:44 GMT
The new manager won't get anywhere if he has to rely on Mmaee and Leris. Vidigal we've seen can play just needs a goal. He’s awful mate, clueless.
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Post by sealion100 on Dec 23, 2023 18:11:12 GMT
Think we’re gonna struggle to stay up ,as. Stated we miss Browns goals and pace … gotta hold my hands up and say I didn’t think he was good enough …. But didn’t think we would replace him with players 10 times worse . Can’t name a player who will get us 5 goals between now and the end of the season ……
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Post by theonlooker on Dec 23, 2023 18:25:38 GMT
Can you see enough goals in the changing room? Schumacher: Absolutely. But again, you’ve got to get people in the right positions. The eights have got to score more goals, they’ve got to get forward and get into dangerous areas. I thought Ryan Mmaee, by the way, was brilliant. I know he didn't score but his all-round game today was excellent. He led the line for 90 minutes on his own. I think he gave the ball away once, maybe twice in the whole game, and he was a threat all the time and just the shots that he had unfortunately were blocked. If he keeps putting himself in those positions, he'll score the goals that were going to need. www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-millwall-live-stream-8993313
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Post by spitthedog on Dec 23, 2023 18:25:52 GMT
I'd be interested to know what you are seeing? I don't see any goalscoring instincts in Mmaee tbh atm. I'm seeing a striker who is isolated against two centre halves most of the time and struggling with nobody within 10 foot of him. I'm seeing that when we do get the ball into his feet with quality and bodies around him, a striker that opens the game up and creates. If others can't see that then I can't help them. Bare in mind we're dealing with fans that wrote Arnautovic off within weeks, labelled him a bone idle show pony before crying like babies when he jacked us off for West Ham. With respect mate, I've seen this argument loads of times down the years, going back as far as Peter Thorne who was villified to death. The comparison with Arnie, and even Thorne is daft, and the assumption that those questioning this player are necessarily from the same stock as those who questioned Arnie is off the mark. Maybe he will make a good player in time, could be a costly experiment though as he looks like he struggles to handle the physicality of it all at the moment, even without the necessary support. I would love him to prove the doubters wrong and I'll be the first to put my hands up.
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Post by theonlooker on Dec 23, 2023 18:36:07 GMT
I'm seeing a striker who is isolated against two centre halves most of the time and struggling with nobody within 10 foot of him. I'm seeing that when we do get the ball into his feet with quality and bodies around him, a striker that opens the game up and creates. If others can't see that then I can't help them. Bare in mind we're dealing with fans that wrote Arnautovic off within weeks, labelled him a bone idle show pony before crying like babies when he jacked us off for West Ham. With respect mate, I've seen this argument loads of times down the years, going back as far as Peter Thorne who was villified to death. The comparison with Arnie, and even Thorne is daft, and the assumption that those questioning this player are necessarily from the same stock as those who questioned Arnie is off the mark. I think we both know that Stoke fans struggle with players of a certain style don't we? Players like Ray Wallace and Jacob Brown are just two examples of players that are universally loved from the off because of their endless running and kicking. Loads more examples. Players who are a bit different are slated unless they perform to a level that smacks people in the face. At the end of the day you don't rate Mmaee and that's your opinion and I respect that. I do rate him and think we'd get a whole load more out of him if we got more bodies and legs around him, either by putting more mobile players into this current system or preferably for me, shifting to a system that naturally puts players closer to him. He isn't a forward to lead the line in a 433 and I won't try and kid people that he is. However, I'd struggle to name a forward in this league that could deal with the service we gave him today against two of the biggest and most aggressive centre halves as you'll find anywhere at this level? I'd like to think I know a decent amount about players in this country, and certainly as much as your average fan, and I'm genuinely struggling to come up with a name? Ricardo Fuller spoiled us all those years ago, but players like him are once in a generation. He even needed a Sidibe with him though.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 23, 2023 18:39:42 GMT
Neither are physically strong enough for the championship for me
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 23, 2023 18:51:01 GMT
Neither are physically strong enough for the championship for me Vidigal is very weak. I think there's a player in Mmaee if we persevere. He can be very ponderous at times but I think we saw a much better performance from him second half when we got more mobile players round him and he got the ball to his feet. He should have had 3 today.
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Dec 23, 2023 19:07:55 GMT
In a long list of dud Stoke centre forwards Mmaee is right there alongside the very dudest. Leris would like to be decent, but he’s just a very poor footballer. I couldn’t think of a worse insult other than to say he would struggle to get into the Vale side. Vidigal I honestly believe has a degree of potential and may yet find it when he mans up a bit.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Dec 23, 2023 19:09:17 GMT
Neither are physically strong enough for the championship for me I think Mmaee can be physical enough but often isn’t, but he won’t win everything when it’s 2 v 1 and he’s feeding off punts up to him. He should have scored today, but he also played a few neat passes where others should have done better too. Vidigal and Leris were much worse.
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