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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 30, 2023 22:27:48 GMT
Mmaee was criticised by many on here for not holding the ball up against Milwall when he was actually very good at holding the ball up and drew foul after foul. He's a class act and it's a little bit alarming that so many can't see that. He’s been doing it all season. I’m not sure what people have been watching tbh.
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Post by BristolMick on Dec 30, 2023 22:39:04 GMT
Mmaee was criticised by many on here for not holding the ball up against Milwall when he was actually very good at holding the ball up and drew foul after foul. He's a class act and it's a little bit alarming that so many can't see that. He’s been doing it all season. I’m not sure what people have been watching tbh. Yeah but Arnie and Chopou Moting were also clueless lazy arse fuckers that should have been shipped out according to a lot of our fans. BM
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Post by tuum on Dec 31, 2023 3:02:07 GMT
Not saying he’s the same but reminds me of Bojan in the way that, when he strikes the ball, you know he’s a different level to what we’re used to. The technique is just better than most, and not what we’ve had much this level, it’s exciting. We’re finally playing some proper players. He reminds me so much of Joselu it’s uncanny. At least Mmaee seems more up for the hard yards and the physical battle. Do you think so? I think he spends too much time on his arse, arms spread in disbelief that the ref has not given him a foul. I don't think he does the hard yards either. His pressing is non-existent.Let me rephrase that.He presses half-heartedly to deny space but hardly ever to win the ball back. This may be a requirement of SS so more of an observation than criticism. I am still on the fence with Mmaee. My gut feeling is we can do better but happy if he proves me wrong.
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Post by upthefud on Dec 31, 2023 6:47:26 GMT
He’s been doing it all season. I’m not sure what people have been watching tbh. Yeah but Arnie and Chopou Moting were also clueless lazy arse fuckers that should have been shipped out according to a lot of our fans. BM Chopou Moting was dreadful for us. Granted that may have been due to circumstances at the club but let’s not paint him as a success. Arnie took a while to get going, I was in the crowd of those writing him off too early. Made a note to not write players from a foreign league off too early again. On the flip side, some of our fans couldn’t see the value of Walters and Whelan - funny old game
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Post by stokecitydom on Dec 31, 2023 7:40:53 GMT
Yeah but Arnie and Chopou Moting were also clueless lazy arse fuckers that should have been shipped out according to a lot of our fans. BM Chopou Moting was dreadful for us. Granted that may have been due to circumstances at the club but let’s not paint him as a success. Arnie took a while to get going, I was in the crowd of those writing him off too early. Made a note to not write players from a foreign league off too early again. On the flip side, some of our fans couldn’t see the value of Walters and Whelan - funny old game Choupo Moting wasn’t awful for us. His biggest problem was that he wasn’t Arnautovic. Now Jesé was awful.
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Post by clarkeda on Dec 31, 2023 8:16:19 GMT
He reminds me so much of Joselu it’s uncanny. At least Mmaee seems more up for the hard yards and the physical battle. Do you think so? I think he spends too much time on his arse, arms spread in disbelief that the ref has not given him a foul. I don't think he does the hard yards either. His pressing is non-existent.Let me rephrase that.He presses half-heartedly to deny space but hardly ever to win the ball back. This may be a requirement of SS so more of an observation than criticism. I am still on the fence with Mmaee. My gut feeling is we can do better but happy if he proves me wrong. I’m comparing him to Joselu and yes he seems more up to the battle then him, and he’s getting better once he’s learnt what fouls he will and won’t get he’ll become stronger and won’t go down as easy, maybe. I don’t know if Schumacher requires a press merchant like a Vardy/firmino or if Mmaee closing down the space is enough, or if Mmaee can adapt his game slightly. What I do know, he’s probably the best out and out finisher we’ve had at the club in my time watching (20ish years so don’t really remember Stein)
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Post by george2again on Dec 31, 2023 8:37:54 GMT
Mmaee was criticised by many on here for not holding the ball up against Milwall when he was actually very good at holding the ball up and drew foul after foul. He's a class act and it's a little bit alarming that so many can't see that. He’s been doing it all season. I’m not sure what people have been watching tbh. Interesting to see how he does under new manager. Have to say I think he looks awful and we need a striker immediately. Think it’s blind hope rather than what he’s actually doing. He doesn’t actually have a strong point. He’s slow, no closing down, not good in the air, doesn’t lead the line at all and doesn’t run the channels. Yes he has a skill level and holds the ball up but not amazingly. Difference of opinions do vary. When I saw him v Rotherham and he scored I thought competition winner and nothing has changed my mind as yet. Ipswich is a different level so let’s see.
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Post by stokieoldboy on Dec 31, 2023 11:33:35 GMT
He’s been doing it all season. I’m not sure what people have been watching tbh. Interesting to see how he does under new manager. Have to say I think he looks awful and we need a striker immediately. Think it’s blind hope rather than what he’s actually doing. He doesn’t actually have a strong point. He’s slow, no closing down, not good in the air, doesn’t lead the line at all and doesn’t run the channels. Yes he has a skill level and holds the ball up but not amazingly. Difference of opinions do vary. When I saw him v Rotherham and he scored I thought competition winner and nothing has changed my mind as yet. Ipswich is a different level so let’s see. Spot on George,could'nt have put it into words, any better,
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Post by wearepremierleague on Dec 31, 2023 12:32:34 GMT
He’s been doing it all season. I’m not sure what people have been watching tbh. Interesting to see how he does under new manager. Have to say I think he looks awful and we need a striker immediately. Think it’s blind hope rather than what he’s actually doing. He doesn’t actually have a strong point. He’s slow, no closing down, not good in the air, doesn’t lead the line at all and doesn’t run the channels. Yes he has a skill level and holds the ball up but not amazingly. Difference of opinions do vary. When I saw him v Rotherham and he scored I thought competition winner and nothing has changed my mind as yet. Ipswich is a different level so let’s see. This in a nutshell is why Stoke fans don’t deserve good footballers , most don’t want them. They want people who run around a lot and head the ball to nobody.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Dec 31, 2023 12:38:21 GMT
The fact is Mmaee looks far better suited to Shuball and having others running off him. He doesn’t need electric pace. I think he will go on and comfortably get into double figures this season which would be a decent return of roughly 1 in 3 taking missed games and sub appearances into account
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Post by george2again on Dec 31, 2023 13:25:15 GMT
The fact is Mmaee looks far better suited to Shuball and having others running off him. He doesn’t need electric pace. I think he will go on and comfortably get into double figures this season which would be a decent return of roughly 1 in 3 taking missed games and sub appearances into account[/quot But without an all round game he can’t lead the line. It’s essential. Posted elsewhere I do feel he would only flourish playing in two up front. He frustrates the F out of me.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Dec 31, 2023 13:38:48 GMT
The fact is Mmaee looks far better suited to Shuball and having others running off him. He doesn’t need electric pace. I think he will go on and comfortably get into double figures this season which would be a decent return of roughly 1 in 3 taking missed games and sub appearances into account[/quot But without an all round game he can’t lead the line. It’s essential. Posted elsewhere I do feel he would only flourish playing in two up front. He frustrates the F out of me. What bit of an “all round game” doesn’t he have? He is an excellent finisher, good at hold up (especially how isolated he has been), has excellent movement (Burger spots his runs), has great vision with passes to bring others into play and wins a good number of heading duels. There is a reason the manager took him off on Friday to save him for Monday. Comfortably our best forward.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Dec 31, 2023 14:08:26 GMT
He’s been doing it all season. I’m not sure what people have been watching tbh. Interesting to see how he does under new manager. Have to say I think he looks awful and we need a striker immediately. Think it’s blind hope rather than what he’s actually doing. He doesn’t actually have a strong point. He’s slow, no closing down, not good in the air, doesn’t lead the line at all and doesn’t run the channels. Yes he has a skill level and holds the ball up but not amazingly. Difference of opinions do vary. When I saw him v Rotherham and he scored I thought competition winner and nothing has changed my mind as yet. Ipswich is a different level so let’s see. Respect to all the Stokies that follow us whatever their predicament, especially the blind ones.
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Post by george2again on Jan 1, 2024 17:20:32 GMT
Mmaee was criticised by many on here for not holding the ball up against Milwall when he was actually very good at holding the ball up and drew foul after foul. He's a class act and it's a little bit alarming that so many can't see that. He’s been doing it all season. I’m not sure what people have been watching tbh. Seem very vindicated today. Mmaee awful today as normal. Needs to understand that defending starts at the front. He is lazy. No pace wins nothing in the air and has no clue how to run channels. For those who say Stokies don’t appreciate a ‘ footballer’ well let’s appreciate that flick in the middle of our half which nearly led to a goal. Seriously I think he’s a fraud of a footballer and we should be looking for a striker immediately. Front 3 were poor today.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 1, 2024 17:23:35 GMT
He’s been doing it all season. I’m not sure what people have been watching tbh. Seem very vindicated today. Mmaee awful today as normal. Needs to understand that defending starts at the front. He is lazy. No pace wins nothing in the air and has no clue how to run channels. For those who say Stokies don’t appreciate a ‘ footballer’ well let’s appreciate that flick in the middle of our half which nearly led to a goal. Seriously I think he’s a fraud of a footballer and we should be looking for a striker immediately. Front 3 were poor today. You're making yourself look a little foolish.
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Post by tejstokie on Jan 1, 2024 17:23:39 GMT
He’s been doing it all season. I’m not sure what people have been watching tbh. Seem very vindicated today. Mmaee awful today as normal. Needs to understand that defending starts at the front. He is lazy. No pace wins nothing in the air and has no clue how to run channels. For those who say Stokies don’t appreciate a ‘ footballer’ well let’s appreciate that flick in the middle of our half which nearly led to a goal. Seriously I think he’s a fraud of a footballer and we should be looking for a striker immediately. Front 3 were poor today. Awful seems harsh. He was our only real chance for a goal with the volley. Gayle's in comparison wasn't even close. He's being over used because Wes is so awful he's not even in the plans it seems. Our lineup didn't suit his style and that's hardly on Mmaee using Bae and Vidigal as wingers isn't the answer. There should be a front two.
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Post by mtrstudent on Jan 1, 2024 17:32:55 GMT
He’s been doing it all season. I’m not sure what people have been watching tbh. Seem very vindicated today. Mmaee awful today as normal. Needs to understand that defending starts at the front. He is lazy. No pace wins nothing in the air and has no clue how to run channels. For those who say Stokies don’t appreciate a ‘ footballer’ well let’s appreciate that flick in the middle of our half which nearly led to a goal. Seriously I think he’s a fraud of a footballer and we should be looking for a striker immediately. Front 3 were poor today. The flick was a big mistake for me but I don't think he was bad today. One other error was trying to carry it out of defence instead of clearing it. But I think he was fine. Vidigal I'm still concerned about and Bae isn't ideal on the wing
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Post by george2again on Jan 1, 2024 17:34:54 GMT
Seem very vindicated today. Mmaee awful today as normal. Needs to understand that defending starts at the front. He is lazy. No pace wins nothing in the air and has no clue how to run channels. For those who say Stokies don’t appreciate a ‘ footballer’ well let’s appreciate that flick in the middle of our half which nearly led to a goal. Seriously I think he’s a fraud of a footballer and we should be looking for a striker immediately. Front 3 were poor today. You're making yourself look a little foolish. Which part do you disagree with? He was shocking today.
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Post by george2again on Jan 1, 2024 17:35:51 GMT
Seem very vindicated today. Mmaee awful today as normal. Needs to understand that defending starts at the front. He is lazy. No pace wins nothing in the air and has no clue how to run channels. For those who say Stokies don’t appreciate a ‘ footballer’ well let’s appreciate that flick in the middle of our half which nearly led to a goal. Seriously I think he’s a fraud of a footballer and we should be looking for a striker immediately. Front 3 were poor today. The flick was a big mistake for me but I don't think he was bad today. One other error was trying to carry it out of defence instead of clearing it. But I think he was fine. Vidigal I'm still concerned about and Bae isn't ideal on the wing Bare is a 10. Not wide.
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Post by george2again on Jan 1, 2024 17:43:03 GMT
Seem very vindicated today. Mmaee awful today as normal. Needs to understand that defending starts at the front. He is lazy. No pace wins nothing in the air and has no clue how to run channels. For those who say Stokies don’t appreciate a ‘ footballer’ well let’s appreciate that flick in the middle of our half which nearly led to a goal. Seriously I think he’s a fraud of a footballer and we should be looking for a striker immediately. Front 3 were poor today. You're making yourself look a little foolish. You thought he was decent today ? He just frustrates me massively. His lack of movement in attack and and defence is almost non existent, midfielders crying out for runners and he’s stationary most of the time. Got to move down channels. Screaming for him to be subbed earlier, near us in stands and fully vindicated in my opinion.
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Post by gingerninja on Jan 1, 2024 17:45:44 GMT
Bae maybe no wide man, but he got by his man to the byeline more than Haks and Vidigal did in about 2 whole games.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jan 1, 2024 17:45:56 GMT
You're making yourself look a little foolish. You thought he was decent today ? He just frustrates me massively. His lack of movement in attack and and defence is almost non existent, midfielders crying out for runners and he’s stationary most of the time. Got to move down channels. Screaming for him to be subbed earlier, near us in stands and fully vindicated in my opinion. Mmaee was very good and is improving all the time. Sadly Vidigal seems to be struggling big time.
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Post by theonlooker on Jan 1, 2024 17:47:06 GMT
"This is my hill. I created it and I'll die on it"
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Post by george2again on Jan 1, 2024 18:04:33 GMT
Seem very vindicated today. Mmaee awful today as normal. Needs to understand that defending starts at the front. He is lazy. No pace wins nothing in the air and has no clue how to run channels. For those who say Stokies don’t appreciate a ‘ footballer’ well let’s appreciate that flick in the middle of our half which nearly led to a goal. Seriously I think he’s a fraud of a footballer and we should be looking for a striker immediately. Front 3 were poor today. Awful seems harsh. He was our only real chance for a goal with the volley. Gayle's in comparison wasn't even close. He's being over used because Wes is so awful he's not even in the plans it seems. Our lineup didn't suit his style and that's hardly on Mmaee using Bae and Vidigal as wingers isn't the answer. There should be a front two. He’s defo not a striker to lead the line in a 3. Would defo suit him playing in a two up front. The point I was making that Gayle would have run his ass closing down ( like he did at Swansea two seasons ago) when there playing their brand of tippy tappy mostly from the keeper. Mmaaee stood watching and made no effort to tackle which was what was required today.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jan 1, 2024 18:06:35 GMT
Chopou Moting was dreadful for us. Granted that may have been due to circumstances at the club but let’s not paint him as a success. Arnie took a while to get going, I was in the crowd of those writing him off too early. Made a note to not write players from a foreign league off too early again. On the flip side, some of our fans couldn’t see the value of Walters and Whelan - funny old game Choupo Moting wasn’t awful for us. His biggest problem was that he wasn’t Arnautovic. Now Jesé was awful. Apart from that goal against Arsenal…
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Post by nonameface on Jan 1, 2024 18:17:00 GMT
You're making yourself look a little foolish. You thought he was decent today ? He just frustrates me massively. His lack of movement in attack and and defence is almost non existent, midfielders crying out for runners and he’s stationary most of the time. Got to move down channels. Screaming for him to be subbed earlier, near us in stands and fully vindicated in my opinion. He was outstanding as a defensive press today without wasting his energy, he understood which passing lanes to block and did it well. We won the ball up high because of his work. Similarly I'd be surprised if Schumacher wants him any wider than the box as we need to get more people into it and not less. He did it well and the last few games has shown how much better he is than Wesley and Gayle at holding the ball up, low bar, but Mmaee is actually getting really good at it. The width needed to come from Vidigal and Junho. Vidigal was a good team player today, but didn't offer much going forward, whilst Junho really isn't suited to playing wide. Schumacher wants more vertical narrower passing so you'll probably see Mmaee move LESS and that will be good movement for the formation.
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Post by fraybentos on Jan 1, 2024 18:19:57 GMT
You thought he was decent today ? He just frustrates me massively. His lack of movement in attack and and defence is almost non existent, midfielders crying out for runners and he’s stationary most of the time. Got to move down channels. Screaming for him to be subbed earlier, near us in stands and fully vindicated in my opinion. He was outstanding as a defensive press today without wasting his energy, he understood which passing lanes to block and did it well. We won the ball up high because of his work. Similarly I'd be surprised if Schumacher wants him any wider than the box as we need to get more people into it and not less. He did it well and the last few games has shown how much better he is than Wesley and Gayle at holding the ball up, low bar, but Mmaee is actually getting really good at it. The width needed to come from Vidigal and Junho. Vidigal was a good team player today, but didn't offer much going forward, whilst Junho really isn't suited to playing wide. Schumacher wants more vertical narrower passing so you'll probably see Mmaee move LESS and that will be good movement for the formation. I thought vidigal and Junho both hit brick walls in former players, in Axel and Clarke who were far superior. Ryan did ok today
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Post by stiggerstackle on Jan 1, 2024 18:25:15 GMT
I’ve switched opinions completely.
I didn’t rate Mmaee at all but he’s getting used to the pace of the game and is coming on leaps and bounds. A cracking player who will do well.
Conversely, I loved Vidigal at first, but he’s now been found out and is just too lightweight. His diving is embarrassing. My kids love him and sing his praises morning, noon and night, my Mrs has been today for the 1st time this season and after all the hype from the lads just said ‘he’s shite’ 🤣
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Post by dirtclod on Jan 1, 2024 18:31:06 GMT
I recall Choupo Moting vividly. Could see the ability - the guy just didn't want to play here. Period. So for us, he wasn't a "success" but he went on to succeed elsewhere. Arnie could have his occasional lapses but total success overall and unplayable on his day, which was pretty damned often. I loved the heck out of him, knowing that we wouldn't keep him here long.
Jese - useless. Should have been shot out of a cannon over to Vale immediately upon his arrival.
Mmaee is improving - I'll take him. Vidigal I'm not so sure but lets see what Schu can do with him.
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Post by Trouserdog on Jan 1, 2024 18:47:51 GMT
Mmaee was decent enough I thought.
Vidigal was very poor. His one move is cutting in onto his right foot and shooting. Looks like he hasn't got a clue what to do when on the right wing, other than knock it forwards and try to outpace the full back (he isn't that quick, so it rarely succeeds.) I guess that's what you get for £500k.
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