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Post by wearepremierleague on Dec 29, 2023 23:04:54 GMT
Stoke fans wouldn’t know a good footballer if one smacked them in the face. Both are very good footballers. It always amuses me (sardonically) to remember how there was a good number of posters on here who used to slag off Shaqiri for being lazy, Bojan for being lightweight, Arnie for not tracking back, Walters for being unskillful, Whelan for being unable to pass a ball, Crouch for being slow, Nzonzi for being uncommitted, Bardsley for being a plodder…….. . They said it so often these features became fake truisms. Just to type those names now brings me out in goose pimples. Bardsley stands out like a sore thumb in this list.
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Post by mtrstudent on Dec 29, 2023 23:11:48 GMT
I thought Mmae was very good today. Vidigal I'm still undecided on. He seems like he could be a real joy and you can't give too much stick to a top scorer but he drifts or gets bullied out of games too much. I felt that Vidigal benefited from having Junior behind him in the first half. We had some power and skill on the right. Game shifted when Junior got knackered and came off. Thompson played fine as a left back, but he’s not going to support the attack going forward that well and it showed each time Vidigal got over to the left. On balance yeah but I thought there were a few times Thompson popped up forwards that were handy. One great cross picked out at the touchline first half(?), but his involvement was more obvious after the sending off and the changes, he just isn't a threat like Junior is. He and Rose struggled defensively too, maybe that was part of it. Definitely noticed the "inverted fullback" stuff more today after I needed it pointing out to me last game.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Dec 29, 2023 23:12:24 GMT
I’ve not been keen on Mmaee, but he was superb tonight.
It was very telling we looked absolutely hopeless once he’d gone off.
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Post by mtrstudent on Dec 29, 2023 23:15:19 GMT
I’ve not been keen on Mmaee, but he was superb tonight. It was very telling we looked absolutely hopeless once he’d gone off. What's your concern for Mmae about?
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Post by Linx on Dec 29, 2023 23:30:53 GMT
It always amuses me (sardonically) to remember how there was a good number of posters on here who used to slag off Shaqiri for being lazy, Bojan for being lightweight, Arnie for not tracking back, Walters for being unskillful, Whelan for being unable to pass a ball, Crouch for being slow, Nzonzi for being uncommitted, Bardsley for being a plodder…….. . They said it so often these features became fake truisms. Just to type those names now brings me out in goose pimples. Bardsley stands out like a sore thumb in this list. Yeah, I know. But he was still better than many gave him credit for; I felt back then we’d have been better keeping him than Glen Johnson, who only gave us half a decent season. How about: Huth was immobile and getting too old? That was a favourite complaint, much to Leicester’s benefit.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Dec 29, 2023 23:40:17 GMT
I’ve not been keen on Mmaee, but he was superb tonight. It was very telling we looked absolutely hopeless once he’d gone off. What's your concern for Mmae about? I’m just not really sure what kind of striker he is. He doesn’t have much pace and his hold up play hasn’t been great. Last few games though his hold up play has got better and with bodies around him he’s been able to get on the ball more, which is clearly what he needs to do.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Dec 29, 2023 23:42:27 GMT
What's your concern for Mmae about? I’m just not really sure what kind of striker he is. He doesn’t have much pace and his hold up play hasn’t been great. Last few games though his hold up play has got better and with bodies around him he’s been able to get on the ball more, which is clearly what he needs to do. He’s got pace when he needs it in my opinion. Not rapid, but clever. He’ll finish with at least 10 this season.
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Post by pottersrule on Dec 29, 2023 23:43:01 GMT
Bardsley stands out like a sore thumb in this list. Yeah, I know. But he was still better than many gave him credit for; I felt back then we’d have been better keeping him than Glen Johnson, who only gave us half a decent season. How about: Huth was immobile and getting too old? That was a favourite complaint, much to Leicester’s benefit. Getting rid of Bardsley over Johnson was a ridiculous decision.I said it at the time and mention it every time our relegation season is mentioned.Really can't understand the rationale behind it.
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Post by chiprockets on Dec 29, 2023 23:47:18 GMT
What's your concern for Mmae about? I’m just not really sure what kind of striker he is. He doesn’t have much pace and his hold up play hasn’t been great. Last few games though his hold up play has got better and with bodies around him he’s been able to get on the ball more, which is clearly what he needs to do. We had just been pumping long balls and crosses into him. From 5 games you could see he's not that. I'm not sure how we signed him based on Neil's style of play, unless he lied to his to the bosses. you also solved the problem in your post, "his hold up play has got better and with bodies around him" Drop deep, float wide, ball into feet, play someone in, get in the box - thats his game. he can play.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Dec 29, 2023 23:48:56 GMT
Filthy finish tonight.
There’s a serious player in there, we’ve only just started using him correctly.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Dec 29, 2023 23:54:15 GMT
Filthy finish tonight. There’s a serious player in there, we’ve only just started using him correctly. The infuriating thing is that most of us could see it. He’s not an out and out number 9 striker, but a player who plays a bit deeper and links things. He is a bit sloppy at times but I’ve seen so much to like about him that I think he’s a really exciting, intelligent player whose actual level is probably higher than Stoke City.
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Post by mtrstudent on Dec 29, 2023 23:57:11 GMT
What's your concern for Mmae about? I’m just not really sure what kind of striker he is. He doesn’t have much pace and his hold up play hasn’t been great. Last few games though his hold up play has got better and with bodies around him he’s been able to get on the ball more, which is clearly what he needs to do. Yeah I'm concerned about him getting bullied and spending too long on the ground, which ruins hold up play. But his technical ability, vision and finishing look good. Overall it looks like he's learning to play without getting knocked over so I'm hopeful.
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Post by Stoke711 on Dec 30, 2023 2:59:14 GMT
Filthy finish tonight. There’s a serious player in there, we’ve only just started using him correctly. Good effort just before he was subbed too
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Post by pushon on Dec 30, 2023 9:44:30 GMT
Mmaee reminds me of Bony when he was good. Thinking the same thing. He just needs people around him and he can score. Definitely finding his way. I thought his goal was reminiscent of Kenny Dalglish, stick your backside into the defender to get time to get your shot away-then place it out of their goalies reach. Very slickly done.
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Post by yellowsnowman on Dec 30, 2023 11:07:53 GMT
Lovely finish it was keeper had no chance! Should of buried another when he stepped inside and tried to bend it! Played Mmaee lad.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2023 11:48:37 GMT
Filthy finish tonight. There’s a serious player in there, we’ve only just started using him correctly. Not saying he’s the same but reminds me of Bojan in the way that, when he strikes the ball, you know he’s a different level to what we’re used to. The technique is just better than most, and not what we’ve had much this level, it’s exciting. We’re finally playing some proper players.
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Post by hooftastic on Dec 30, 2023 12:21:37 GMT
Stoke fans wouldn’t know a good footballer if one smacked them in the face. Both are very good footballers. It always amuses me (sardonically) to remember how there was a good number of posters on here who used to slag off Shaqiri for being lazy, Bojan for being lightweight, Arnie for not tracking back, Walters for being unskillful, Whelan for being unable to pass a ball, Crouch for being slow, Nzonzi for being uncommitted, Bardsley for being a plodder…….. . They said it so often these features became fake truisms. Just to type those names now brings me out in goose pimples. Footballers aren't robots, it's fine to say that players aren't playing well or need to improve. All those you mention were guilty of having bad spells and it's OK to say that. Particularly we like to put NZonzi and Arnie on a pedestal but their last few seasons with us were miles better than when they first arrived, but on the flip side (as this thread is evidence of), its stupid to write a player off, especially when adapting to a new country, culture and league. Symptom of today's society though, want the perfect product delivered the same day and get very hyperbolic when it's not perfect.
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Post by clarkeda on Dec 30, 2023 17:00:20 GMT
Filthy finish tonight. There’s a serious player in there, we’ve only just started using him correctly. Not saying he’s the same but reminds me of Bojan in the way that, when he strikes the ball, you know he’s a different level to what we’re used to. The technique is just better than most, and not what we’ve had much this level, it’s exciting. We’re finally playing some proper players. He reminds me so much of Joselu it’s uncanny. At least Mmaee seems more up for the hard yards and the physical battle.
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Post by lordb on Dec 30, 2023 17:43:29 GMT
Lovely finish it was keeper had no chance! Should of buried another when he stepped inside and tried to bend it! Played Mmaee lad. That was a cracking save onto the bar
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Dec 30, 2023 18:18:28 GMT
I really liked his attitude last night he was annoyed to be subbed.
He is definitely learning how to find space and deal with man marking and has been improving every game.
Its great to see he wants to improve and play an important part. I really think he will make it in England and hopefully with Stoke.
Next season he could really prove to be a force and bag a load of goals. Still needs to toughen up a bit more but it's great to see a player slowly learning and getting better in the championship
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Post by stoke1989 on Dec 30, 2023 18:25:01 GMT
I like Mmaee but I don't think he's a lone striker, be fantastic in a 442 with a Steven Fletcher* type.
*lowered standard of player to match league we're in.
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Post by cvillestokie on Dec 30, 2023 18:37:28 GMT
I’m just not really sure what kind of striker he is. He doesn’t have much pace and his hold up play hasn’t been great. Last few games though his hold up play has got better and with bodies around him he’s been able to get on the ball more, which is clearly what he needs to do. He’s got pace when he needs it in my opinion. Not rapid, but clever. He’ll finish with at least 10 this season. I hope he gets more than 10. 10 is not a good return for a striker in a 46 game season.
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Post by clarkeda on Dec 30, 2023 18:41:13 GMT
I like Mmaee but I don't think he's a lone striker, be fantastic in a 442 with a Steven Fletcher* type. *lowered standard of player to match league we're in. Nah, as we are now seeing, just needs bodies around him to play 1-2s off of to open up half a yard. He reminds me of Joselu, but his play style is very Ageuro esk.
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Post by nonameface on Dec 30, 2023 19:01:17 GMT
He’s got pace when he needs it in my opinion. Not rapid, but clever. He’ll finish with at least 10 this season. I hope he gets more than 10. 10 is not a good return for a striker in a 46 game season. In the league he's got 3 goals and 2 assists in 16. With 21 games left if he gets 7 goals that would be decent and would suggest with a full season he could get c15 goals. If he keeps the assists coming too then he quickly becomes a very good asset.
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Post by cvillestokie on Dec 30, 2023 19:06:38 GMT
I hope he gets more than 10. 10 is not a good return for a striker in a 46 game season. In the league he's got 3 goals and 2 assists in 16. With 21 games left if he gets 7 goals that would be decent and would suggest with a full season he could get c15 goals. If he keeps the assists coming too then he quickly becomes a very good asset. I don’t know. Our top scorer since being down has been Brown, with what, 13? With 21 games left, I’d hope he’d try to equal that to beat that to be honest. He’s had a bit of an early drought. Now that he’s in a system that suits him, we should be hoping that he gets a bit of a late spurt. It’s what he was signed to do after all. If he’s playing 37 games, you should be looking at 12/13 goals. 1 in 3 is a decent (but not overly impressive) ratio in this league. Anything less is poor.
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Post by lordb on Dec 30, 2023 19:08:30 GMT
In the league he's got 3 goals and 2 assists in 16. With 21 games left if he gets 7 goals that would be decent and would suggest with a full season he could get c15 goals. If he keeps the assists coming too then he quickly becomes a very good asset. I don’t know. Our top scorer since being down has been Brown, with what, 13? With 21 games left, I’d hope he’d try to equal that to beat that to be honest. He’s had a bit of an early drought. Now that he’s in a system that suits him, we should be hoping that he gets a bit of a late spurt. It’s what he was signed to do after all. If he’s playing 37 games, you should be looking at 12/13 goals. 1 in 3 is a decent (but not overly impressive) ratio in this league. Anything less is poor. He was injured as well
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Post by nonameface on Dec 30, 2023 19:25:53 GMT
In the league he's got 3 goals and 2 assists in 16. With 21 games left if he gets 7 goals that would be decent and would suggest with a full season he could get c15 goals. If he keeps the assists coming too then he quickly becomes a very good asset. I don’t know. Our top scorer since being down has been Brown, with what, 13? With 21 games left, I’d hope he’d try to equal that to beat that to be honest. He’s had a bit of an early drought. Now that he’s in a system that suits him, we should be hoping that he gets a bit of a late spurt. It’s what he was signed to do after all. If he’s playing 37 games, you should be looking at 12/13 goals. 1 in 3 is a decent (but not overly impressive) ratio in this league. Anything less is poor. Fair. Last season Brown got 7 in 38, 13 in 45 the season before. Getting 15 goals last season would place you 7th in the top goalscorers, above Brereton, Fleming, Ndiaye, Mcburnie, Archer and Pedro so it's tougher than we think to get that, especially in a non functioning team. If he can get more than 10 great, but even getting to 10 from here would suggest he's capable of getting 15 next season and be in the top 7 goalscorers.
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Post by theonlooker on Dec 30, 2023 20:38:00 GMT
Next season should be interesting with Mmaee. Settled into the league and into the new managers system, with hopefully more legs and guile around him.
Should be fun. 🙂
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Post by emretezzy on Dec 30, 2023 21:42:25 GMT
I like Mmaee but I don't think he's a lone striker, be fantastic in a 442 with a Steven Fletcher* type. *lowered standard of player to match league we're in. I'd play him lone, Junho just behind him, close and running off him. The two inside forwards need to play high and brave and make runs past him all the time, his first time lay-off play is Premier League standard. His pace is why he isn't playing higher. Schumacher in 3 games has put more runners off him than he's had all season.
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Post by numpty40 on Dec 30, 2023 21:56:31 GMT
Mmaee was criticised by many on here for not holding the ball up against Milwall when he was actually very good at holding the ball up and drew foul after foul. He's a class act and it's a little bit alarming that so many can't see that.
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