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Post by telfordstokie on Apr 21, 2024 12:35:35 GMT
I really would love to know what went on around those 8 games that nearly cost us relegation? Will we ever know? Given it culminated in the sacking of Martin, think we can take an educated guess there was a big power struggle going on behind the scenes that affected performances.
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Post by senojbor on Apr 21, 2024 12:35:36 GMT
I've seen enough of SS to persuade me he's going to improve things. He had great support from the crowd yesterday. The few critics on here do not reflect the general opinion. It would be nice now to see a some stability now.
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Post by datguy on Apr 21, 2024 12:37:19 GMT
Absolutely fantastic win yesterday. Couldn't have asked much more from the players and of course the management. Let's repeat it two more times and then we've ended the horror season on a positive note. He'll get next season now. We're going to have to back him. But I implore the man to simply go for it. Stop paying minnows as much respect and simply go for it. This league is shite and the standard matches it. Competitive for its shite-ness. And we've got a set of lads that have proven they can play football. Burger, Million and Bae are (as stands) a spine of a team that can dominate anyone. Build on that and there's no reason why we can't push on and on. But that includes making sure these lads have what is required to dominate. Respectfully, lads like Ennis, Leris etc (albeit sound people) shouldn't be anymore than periphery figures next year. Off the bench or covering injuries. Put Burger, Million and Bae in a team with players like Baker, Mmaee etc and they'll shine even more. They need some quality around them. It's going to be a big summer window. I'm hoping Dublin gets another go. What have baker and mmaee done to make you think they could be a key part of our plans next season? Players like Baker and Mmaee. Creative footballers that probably haven’t played enough under Schumacher. You’d be mental to get rid of Baker, we’ve got a superb squad player there, and Mmaee, well if he stays or goes I don’t care but I just hope he’s not replaced by a headless chicken type. And in terms of key parts to next season? Stupid question isn’t it really. There’s only three players here that are definite key parts for next season. And as I’ve said those three players will thrive with technical quality rather than pure grafters around them. Just hoping Schumacher opts to go down that route.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Apr 21, 2024 12:59:43 GMT
What have baker and mmaee done to make you think they could be a key part of our plans next season? Players like Baker and Mmaee. Creative footballers that probably haven’t played enough under Schumacher. You’d be mental to get rid of Baker, we’ve got a superb squad player there, and Mmaee, well if he stays or goes I don’t care but I just hope he’s not replaced by a headless chicken type. And in terms of key parts to next season? Stupid question isn’t it really. There’s only three players here that are definite key parts for next season. And as I’ve said those three players will thrive with technical quality rather than pure grafters around them. Just hoping Schumacher opts to go down that route. Is there any reason for the 'stupid question' comment? I think it's a useful question. I think Baker is useful as a squad player only. Mmaee I would try to sell. What yes offered is not enough to override the poor discipline and lack of effort.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Apr 21, 2024 13:06:31 GMT
Hopefully if we have J Coates,Schuey & J Walters fans forum for next season,they will all be on the same page,unlike the last one with Tricky Ricky.
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Post by datguy on Apr 21, 2024 13:06:36 GMT
Players like Baker and Mmaee. Creative footballers that probably haven’t played enough under Schumacher. You’d be mental to get rid of Baker, we’ve got a superb squad player there, and Mmaee, well if he stays or goes I don’t care but I just hope he’s not replaced by a headless chicken type. And in terms of key parts to next season? Stupid question isn’t it really. There’s only three players here that are definite key parts for next season. And as I’ve said those three players will thrive with technical quality rather than pure grafters around them. Just hoping Schumacher opts to go down that route. Is there any reason for the 'stupid question' comment? I think it's a useful question. I think Baker is useful as a squad player only. Mmaee I would try to sell. What yes offered is not enough to override the poor discipline and lack of effort. Sorry mate, didn’t mean to cause any offence. It was meant more in a jovial way. I think we’re on the same page. I do think though if we can crack into Mmaee’s potential - and do what we were really good at for the first 7-8 years in the Prem and tame an ego - we’ve got a really good player on our hands. But yes if someone offers money then we’d be stupid to say no really. It’d just be a shame, especially with how he started under Schumacher (fairly well) and how it was until a few weeks ago.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Apr 21, 2024 13:30:07 GMT
I'm still with him, just. He took over Tricky's Pick n Mix squad. It's too late in the season to change now unless there is somebody better waiting in the wings (Not SJW) BUT He added Cundle and Ennis, dross on top of dross and failed to address the serious holes in the squad: LB/CB STR in Jan. Makes Ranieri look like a 442 disciple. Question is do we keep him regardless of which division we are in, give him the summer window, then sack him 6 games in? The JC method. Or shake hands on 4th May? Anybody got a coin? The coin came down Schumacher up. So, sort out the squad over the summer, kick off the new season on a positive and pray we don't go down the end of September "axe" route (again). Over to SJW and Co to do what Tricky couldn't.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Apr 21, 2024 13:32:27 GMT
Is there any reason for the 'stupid question' comment? I think it's a useful question. I think Baker is useful as a squad player only. Mmaee I would try to sell. What yes offered is not enough to override the poor discipline and lack of effort. Sorry mate, didn’t mean to cause any offence. It was meant more in a jovial way. I think we’re on the same page. I do think though if we can crack into Mmaee’s potential - and do what we were really good at for the first 7-8 years in the Prem and tame an ego - we’ve got a really good player on our hands. But yes if someone offers money then we’d be stupid to say no really. It’d just be a shame, especially with how he started under Schumacher (fairly well) and how it was until a few weeks ago. No worries mate I thought you'd gotten annoyed by the question 😊. With Mmaee I just feel like this league is too unforgiving and we need people we can rely on that have a bit of pride in their work. I think we actually have a lot of good players but not the right blend in key positions. We need to get it right at CB and Striker this summer. Midfield, I thought it would be a tough afternoon with that three but seeing cundles, Junho, Thompson working that hard to close down, it looked really good. Maybe we don't need to be obsessed with a defensive enforcer type if we can renew Thompson's contract, get Pearson fit, and sign Cundle. Maybe a strong focus on centre back and striker positions, with a left back coming in, will improve the other players. It's a fine line in this league.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Apr 21, 2024 13:40:34 GMT
I've seen enough of SS to persuade me he's going to improve things. He had great support from the crowd yesterday. The few critics on here do not reflect the general opinion. It would be nice now to see a some stability now. He has had great support throughout the last two games. I think that the overwhelming majority of supporters are fed up with chopping and changing manager. It has not really benefited us so far. I would love for Schumacher to be given the time and patience to build something. Bearing I mind we have finished in the bottom half in each of the last six seasons (including a couple of scrapes with relegation) a mid-table finish next season and some signs of progress on the pitch would be a massjve sucess. I think we are a long way from challenging fornthe play offs.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Apr 21, 2024 14:00:54 GMT
I've seen enough of SS to persuade me he's going to improve things. He had great support from the crowd yesterday. The few critics on here do not reflect the general opinion. It would be nice now to see a some stability now. He has had great support throughout the last two games. I think that the overwhelming majority of supporters are fed up with chopping and changing manager. It has not really benefited us so far. I would love for Schumacher to be given the time and patience to build something. Bearing I mind we have finished in the bottom half in each of the last six seasons (including a couple of scrapes with relegation) a mid-table finish next season and some signs of progress on the pitch would be a massjve sucess. I think we are a long way from challenging fornthe play offs. Agreed. Although I'm hoping you're wrong that it'll be ages till we're competing for the play offs. Top 10 should be the performance target that Walters sets him for next season. Assuming there isn't a barmy set of results from here that conspire to send us down. Not likely of course but I'm keeping my feet on the ground till its mathematical🙏
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Post by fca47 on Apr 21, 2024 14:08:45 GMT
Not altogether convinced by him. Went from being really happy, after the opening games, to dispondent in the subsequent games. Clawing back my faith gradually. Has to be given the chance next season, hopefully with a decent forward recruited
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Post by jebbstuart on Apr 21, 2024 14:23:56 GMT
Don't see it in him that he is going to make a real difference, people are happy we avoided the drop not with the overall results. We have just trod water again never have we looked like a consistent team all season the first half has mirrored the second half. SJW has the whole summer to get a team together for next season, can we threaten the top 10 even. We need another 10 first team players at least still a lot of work to be done.
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Post by yellowsnowman on Apr 21, 2024 14:35:49 GMT
Victor?/Bonham
Junior/gooch New/Rose New/wilmot Lb/stevens just one more year perhaps, unless better options.
Burger/pearson Laurent/new
Bae/new
Manhoef/new New/Mmaee New/new unless we gonna keep Bae out there. Vidigal not for me.
Keep thompson, leris, baker? lots going final year contracts and loans also. Could be a mad summer. Again. But exciting none the less.
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Post by senojbor on Apr 21, 2024 14:54:21 GMT
Not altogether convinced by him. Went from being really happy, after the opening games, to dispondent in the subsequent games. Clawing back my faith gradually. Has to be given the chance next season, hopefully with a decent forward recruited That's because you are fickle
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Post by tony10 on Apr 21, 2024 19:20:56 GMT
I think you will find the happy clappers are fickle.
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Post by foxysgloves on Apr 21, 2024 20:03:51 GMT
I think you will find the happy clappers are fickle. Took you a while to resurface on this thread. Surprise surprise.
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Post by tony10 on Apr 21, 2024 21:07:57 GMT
I think you will find the happy clappers are fickle. Took you a while to resurface on this thread. Surprise surprise. Aaah ain’t that sweet You missed me? I don’t live on here you know I do have a life It seems I’m living in your head rent free Quite touching
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Post by senojbor on Apr 21, 2024 22:30:10 GMT
I think you will find the happy clappers are fickle. I'm just reading a your previous posts. All negative including this garbage "Going off the club website, it doesn’t look like there has been a surge in sales at all. Personally I don’t blame people not going. Shit coach Shit squad Shit atmosphere Big game or not, people are not going to spend their hard earned cash to be bored shitless" Now, another post you you mention you said we should appoint Pulis. They way we are playing now is light years more attractive to watch than in Pulis' first spell. I'm TP's biggest fan by the way. We have now some very promising young players in our squad. The atmosphere was as good as it gets on Saturday with a big crowd Give your head a wobble
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Apr 21, 2024 22:56:52 GMT
Not altogether convinced by him. Went from being really happy, after the opening games, to dispondent in the subsequent games. Clawing back my faith gradually. Has to be given the chance next season, hopefully with a decent forward recruited Yeah he's not the man to take us forward for me but bar a disastrous final two games the board will stick with him. I just can't see how or why this isn't going to end the same way it has done the previous few years. We did really well yesterday and under every manager we've had over this horrible period of 6 or 7 years, they've given us a few good games which gives the fans hope. I've seen nothing to suggest Schumacher is different to the other guys but clearly, very keen to be proven wrong.
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Post by baconburger on Apr 22, 2024 7:15:45 GMT
I've seen enough of SS to persuade me he's going to improve things. He had great support from the crowd yesterday. The few critics on here do not reflect the general opinion. It would be nice now to see a some stability now. He has had great support throughout the last two games. I think that the overwhelming majority of supporters are fed up with chopping and changing manager. It has not really benefited us so far. I would love for Schumacher to be given the time and patience to build something. Bearing I mind we have finished in the bottom half in each of the last six seasons (including a couple of scrapes with relegation) a mid-table finish next season and some signs of progress on the pitch would be a massjve sucess. I think we are a long way from challenging fornthe play offs. Strange I see teams in and around the play offs and don’t think they are any better than us. It’s the least I’d start a season hoping for. Expectation is something different entirely that will only come with increased resources put into the team something we haven’t seen for a long time. If it transpires we’ve had no net spend and a wage bill that is the 16th largest in the division again I’ll expect to finish around 16th and think anything higher is an achievement and anything lower is a failure. A lot of people had the wool pulled over their eyes this season with a busy Summer and talk of having a competitive budget but the reality was resources were taken out of the team yet again. Obviously big reductions have been necessary to be FFP compliant but the rhetoric has tried to paint a different picture that many have swallowed hook line and sinker and placed unreasonable expectations on managers and coaches. Hopefully we’ve hit a level where resources will be able to increase and we can start to have expectations.
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Post by foxysgloves on Apr 22, 2024 7:45:04 GMT
Took you a while to resurface on this thread. Surprise surprise. Aaah ain’t that sweet You missed me? I don’t live on here you know I do have a life It seems I’m living in your head rent free Quite touching Yeah and of course you wouldn’t have been on here five minutes after kick off if we lost. Spouting your bile. Predictable.
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Apr 22, 2024 8:44:39 GMT
Aaah ain’t that sweet You missed me? I don’t live on here you know I do have a life It seems I’m living in your head rent free Quite touching Yeah and of course you wouldn’t have been on here five minutes after kick off if we lost. Spouting your bile. Predictable. Very true. Some people just want to be right and cannot accept it when we win. Such a shame.
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Post by clintonbaptiste on Apr 22, 2024 9:03:59 GMT
One thing I will say about Schuey is during games he always makes the calls that most are thinking with his subs. Whereas under Alex Neil, most of his subs were always late and baffling at best. I think Sohail reflected on this at the weekend.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Apr 22, 2024 9:41:03 GMT
Not altogether convinced by him. Went from being really happy, after the opening games, to dispondent in the subsequent games. Clawing back my faith gradually. Has to be given the chance next season, hopefully with a decent forward recruited Yeah he's not the man to take us forward for me but bar a disastrous final two games the board will stick with him. I just can't see how or why this isn't going to end the same way it has done the previous few years. We did really well yesterday and under every manager we've had over this horrible period of 6 or 7 years, they've given us a few good games which gives the fans hope. I've seen nothing to suggest Schumacher is different to the other guys but clearly, very keen to be proven wrong. Exactly how I feel about him. One great result and performance we have seen from all the previous managers. I would say on the positive side, his selections and changes are starting to have an effect on the team. On the negative side - Cundle and Ennis are not Championship quality. I doubt he has finally worked things out though and next season can see us hovering around 15th again and we decide to part ways mid-way through the season. Of course we wont fire him now, and he will get another shot at it - but we have been here before so many times.
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Post by frasier37 on Apr 22, 2024 10:00:26 GMT
It's great that we are getting behind him right now. I'm not convinced by him nore do I want him gone. I wont get overly confident by this result as we are still in the thick of it. Plymouth were very expansive and easy to play through Risky business when your players are average at best
Just hope we are mentally and physically preparing for a much tougher game against Southampton.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Apr 22, 2024 10:09:25 GMT
Not altogether convinced by him. Went from being really happy, after the opening games, to dispondent in the subsequent games. Clawing back my faith gradually. Has to be given the chance next season, hopefully with a decent forward recruited Yeah he's not the man to take us forward for me but bar a disastrous final two games the board will stick with him. I just can't see how or why this isn't going to end the same way it has done the previous few years. We did really well yesterday and under every manager we've had over this horrible period of 6 or 7 years, they've given us a few good games which gives the fans hope. I've seen nothing to suggest Schumacher is different to the other guys but clearly, very keen to be proven wrong. There was 3 decent performances under Neil, there have been quite a number of good showings under SS. Jones, I think we played well once against Leeds at home. MON was the most consistent manager we've had, before he became overly cautious for no reason.
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 22, 2024 10:32:15 GMT
Not altogether convinced by him. Went from being really happy, after the opening games, to dispondent in the subsequent games. Clawing back my faith gradually. Has to be given the chance next season, hopefully with a decent forward recruited Yeah he's not the man to take us forward for me but bar a disastrous final two games the board will stick with him. I just can't see how or why this isn't going to end the same way it has done the previous few years. We did really well yesterday and under every manager we've had over this horrible period of 6 or 7 years, they've given us a few good games which gives the fans hope. I've seen nothing to suggest Schumacher is different to the other guys but clearly, very keen to be proven wrong. There is no evidence to suggest he is or isn't the man to take us forward. He's basically been firefighting since he came here, trying to rescue the disaster that was Alex Neil and his chronies. Nobody can name one viable manager who would have done better. Let's give him a chance.
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Post by shakermaker on Apr 22, 2024 10:53:09 GMT
I really would love to know what went on around those 8 games that nearly cost us relegation? Will we ever know? Given it culminated in the sacking of Martin, think we can take an educated guess there was a big power struggle going on behind the scenes that affected performances. This might have been a problem if Tricky was overruling Schuey on tactical decisions and forcing him to pick certain players. But we'd actually been looking pretty handy for half a dozen games or so before that bad run. I would also say it was more of a 5-game run rather than 8, starting with Sunderland away. This is the point that Schuey cacked his pants and threw his principles out the window. Subsequently, our performances over those 5 games were garbage. I expect the players finding out they were all up for sale to the highest bidder didn't help morale either, but Schuey has to take a huge proportion of blame for what went wrong. It seems only after SJW's rallying call that things picked up.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Apr 22, 2024 10:54:26 GMT
I honestly believe that Schu is the right manager who will take this club forward.
He will now know who he wants to keep & who he needs to bring in for next season.
I think he knows it will take time to get us challenging for promotion.
So hopefully the club will give him time to achieve this.
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Post by drippinggoatsnob on Apr 22, 2024 11:13:08 GMT
Great to hear there Fishie Glad he's getting it right as like MON, a likeable manager and playing some nice stuff at times We need to lose around 6 players. He'll get it right in my opinion and play good attacking football. This is the bit that worries me. The Style over substance (i know what you mean though we can have both its just difficult or longer term). I want us to win games first. I think SJW has helped to focus this a bit by brining in the old DNA and we have reaped the rewards recently. I think we should concentrate on the basics. Playing out from the back for me is a fad and I'd love to know the error stats this season. How many points have been lost through it across all divs? The first team to evolve away from it potentially will succeed first? A bit like the Wimbledon fad. I like SS, he seems a good guy first. Probably a decent manager in his own right. Do I see us in the play offs with him next season or in the Premier....probably not...who knows what the future brings though and after Alex and Rowett a good personality buys him more time to weave his magic.
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