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Post by foxysgloves on Apr 18, 2024 11:41:48 GMT
Did Mark Hughes make an instant change? Yes 🤣 Agreed. Which owners appointed him?
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Post by thornestein on Apr 18, 2024 11:49:35 GMT
Agreed. Which owners appointed him? Peter Coates , it’s the idiot son who struggles in that department
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Post by Glory Hunter on Apr 18, 2024 11:49:49 GMT
I want it to work and like him as a character but he’s doing - at best - ok. Think if you’d have said when he was appointed we’d be going into this Plymouth game not only below them but at serious risk of relegation everyone including Schumacher would have been really disappointed with that. Done ok , yep With loans going back and big earners out of contract,we'll really see what he's about August to December next season. Under Neil we were only going one way, SS has been fairly steady if not spectacular but certainly a better team under him than that arse before. Hope it works out. Be interesting to see what he does in the Summer Likeable manager, yep I agree and only hope we get the job done so he has the opportunity to prove his worth as a manager in the Championship. If ever we needed his local knowledge its this weekend against Plymouth, which could be defining for us either way it goes.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 18, 2024 12:08:33 GMT
Agreed. Which owners appointed him? Not the current idiot in charge.
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Post by foxysgloves on Apr 18, 2024 12:59:38 GMT
Agreed. Which owners appointed him? Not the current idiot in charge. “It happens at every other club bar ours.” So you accept that it does happen at our club. “You either accept the manager merry go around or want the Coates out. Nothing will change as them as owners.” And you accept that this is bollocks because the Coates family have history of getting it right (spectacularly so) “That’s just bollocks.” Not gonna argue with you there.
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Post by foxysgloves on Apr 18, 2024 13:04:29 GMT
Agreed. Which owners appointed him? Peter Coates , it’s the idiot son who struggles in that department "The Coates family have given me a great opportunity to come into a fantastically run Football Club, with wonderful facilities, and hopefully continue the good work that has been carried out in recent years," he said when he was officially unveiled as manager” And you know that John Coates had zero input to the decision to appoint Hughes do you? Because Hughes seemed to think it was a family decision.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 18, 2024 13:26:26 GMT
Not the current idiot in charge. “It happens at every other club bar ours.” So you accept that it does happen at our club. “You either accept the manager merry go around or want the Coates out. Nothing will change as them as owners.” And you accept that this is bollocks because the Coates family have history of getting it right (spectacularly so) “That’s just bollocks.” Not gonna argue with you there. Sorry yeah the current owners are great and not the issue at all and they’ve done great. 8 years of utter shite under them and nothing changing. Wake up.
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Post by foxysgloves on Apr 18, 2024 13:37:03 GMT
“It happens at every other club bar ours.” So you accept that it does happen at our club. “You either accept the manager merry go around or want the Coates out. Nothing will change as them as owners.” And you accept that this is bollocks because the Coates family have history of getting it right (spectacularly so) “That’s just bollocks.” Not gonna argue with you there. Sorry yeah the current owners are great and not the issue at all and they’ve done great. 8 years of utter shite under them and nothing changing. Wake up. So you accept your earlier post was exaggerated knicker wetting bollocks. Good. Maybe try sticking to facts rather than making stuff up. I would have thought the Coates family are just as concerned at our recent history as we are. Maybe even more so considering it’s their money that is being pissed away. Out of interest what do you think the alternative to the Coates ownership is?
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 18, 2024 13:55:39 GMT
Sorry yeah the current owners are great and not the issue at all and they’ve done great. 8 years of utter shite under them and nothing changing. Wake up. So you accept your earlier post was exaggerated knicker wetting bollocks. Good. Maybe try sticking to facts rather than making stuff up. I would have thought the Coates family are just as concerned at our recent history as we are. Maybe even more so considering it’s their money that is being pissed away. Out of interest what do you think the alternative to the Coates ownership is? I think it's fair game to question the competence of the current 'man in charge' i.e. John Coates. During his tenure it's been nothing short of a disaster with one calamitous decision after another. Lambert, Rowett after chasing him 3 times, Jones based on a conversation with a bloke in the pub, O'Neill who had zero club experience (to date his best appointment - low bar) and Alex Neil who again he courted a number of times. StS is a high risk appointment. And that's just the managers!!! We're on the precipice of the third tier again under the Coates ownership. It's really not good enough and reflects terribly on them. John Coates need to step back from football matters, he's clearly to involved, and trust the people he's put in place to do their jobs.
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Post by foxysgloves on Apr 18, 2024 14:04:57 GMT
So you accept your earlier post was exaggerated knicker wetting bollocks. Good. Maybe try sticking to facts rather than making stuff up. I would have thought the Coates family are just as concerned at our recent history as we are. Maybe even more so considering it’s their money that is being pissed away. Out of interest what do you think the alternative to the Coates ownership is? I think it's fair game to question the competence of the current 'man in charge' i.e. John Coates. During his tenure it's been nothing short of a disaster with one calamitous decision after another. Lambert, Rowett after chasing him 3 times, Jones based on a conversation with a bloke in the pub, O'Neill who had zero club experience (to date his best appointment - low bar) and Alex Neil who again he courted a number of times. StS is a high risk appointment. And that's just the managers!!! We're on the precipice of the third tier again under the Coates ownership. It's really not good enough and reflects terribly on them. John Coates need to step back from football matters, he's clearly to involved, and trust the people he's put in place to do their jobs. I wouldn’t argue with that. I’d like to know more about our decision making processes and the level of his input/control. There’s clearly something (or things) wrong and it’s fair to assume the man at the top is a big part of our problems. At the same time I think the Coates family and their wealth is vital to the club going forward. I might be wrong but I can’t see us being top of too many shopping lists for Saudi or American billionaires. And even if we are do we want to sever our links with an incredibly wealthy local family. So it’s catch 22. Hopefully John Coates can either step back and relinquish control (if that’s the issue) or get someone in to advise him better.
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 18, 2024 14:06:19 GMT
I think it's fair game to question the competence of the current 'man in charge' i.e. John Coates. During his tenure it's been nothing short of a disaster with one calamitous decision after another. Lambert, Rowett after chasing him 3 times, Jones based on a conversation with a bloke in the pub, O'Neill who had zero club experience (to date his best appointment - low bar) and Alex Neil who again he courted a number of times. StS is a high risk appointment. And that's just the managers!!! We're on the precipice of the third tier again under the Coates ownership. It's really not good enough and reflects terribly on them. John Coates need to step back from football matters, he's clearly to involved, and trust the people he's put in place to do their jobs. I wouldn’t argue with that. I’d like to know more about our decision making processes and the level of his input/control. There’s clearly something (or things) wrong and it’s fair to assume the man at the top is a big part of our problems. At the same time I think the Coates family and their wealth is vital to the club going forward. I might be wrong but I can’t see us being top of too many shopping lists for Saudi or American billionaires. And even if we are do we want to sever our links with an incredibly wealthy local family. So it’s catch 22. Hopefully John Coates can either step back and relinquish control (if that’s the issue) or get someone in to advise him better. Something has to change, ideally under Coates.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Apr 18, 2024 15:29:30 GMT
Agreed. Which owners appointed him? Peter Coates , it’s the idiot son who struggles in that department Just ridiculously out of order another £12m and huge commitment financial and personal , doesn’t merit abuse and going nowhere fortunately
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Post by thornestein on Apr 18, 2024 15:32:41 GMT
Peter Coates , it’s the idiot son who struggles in that department Just ridiculously out of order another £12m and huge commitment financial and personal , doesn’t merit abuse and going nowhere fortunately i’m not knocking his ownership , just his ability to employ a decent manager
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Apr 18, 2024 15:37:40 GMT
Never trust a supporter who wants the club to fail in order to have proven himself right…the wankest kind mate🔴⚪️ The only ones happy with failure are the ones who back the current owners. I absolutely. back the owners and the chairman to the hilt but im not happy with failure and nor are the the family or chairman but its not for the want of support we and they just have to bet better support utilise the resources better and they are acutely aware of that but losing the family isn the answer to anything which has a positive outcome , fortunately despite the critics its not happening either
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Apr 18, 2024 15:41:54 GMT
Were you happy with Schumacher when we appointed him? tbh i like the bloke , when we appointed him i thought he was a bit unknown , he’s just massively under achieved for us , yeah Neil & Martin fucked it up , JC should never be allowed choose a manager again , the whole club needs a massive reset Summer will see huge change i think the trio of JC ,SJW and SK know that and in their own fields they will be driving it s just a question of getting past may 4th and seeing where we are
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Post by theonlooker on Apr 18, 2024 15:55:43 GMT
Peter Coates , it’s the idiot son who struggles in that department Just ridiculously out of order another £12m and huge commitment financial and personal , doesn’t merit abuse and going nowhere fortunately What do you expect though after 7 years of utterly abject failure where we are near to the top of every single negative metric? Our home form has been nothing short of a joke and we haven't finished anywhere near the top half of this rancid division in 6 attempts. People can only take so much before it turns toxic. I get the family want to spend more on the team but look how that worked out last time. They appointed an abject, arrogant fool to spend it solely on his own which is part of the many reasons why so many hold the family responsible for where we are. Nearly every single managerial appointment John has made has been more risky than certainty. The fact that Alex Neil is the most sensible of his appointments since the departure of Mark Hughes speaks volumes. Michael O'Neill has been his best appointment pound for pound but he was a domestically inexperienced manager when he was winched in with us many points adrift at the bottom of the league. Huge risk!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 18, 2024 16:00:25 GMT
The only ones happy with failure are the ones who back the current owners. I absolutely. back the owners and the chairman to the hilt but im not happy with failure and nor are the the family or chairman but its not for the want of support we and they just have to bet better support utilise the resources better and they are acutely aware of that but losing the family isn the answer to anything which has a positive outcome , fortunately despite the critics its not happening either Well done. We might as well be owned by paupers.
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Post by skip on Apr 18, 2024 16:01:20 GMT
Shumacher is 100% not the problem. He is a manager that can grow with experience. Of course he's a green horn, and whether he was the correct replacement for Neil is debatable but he's intelligent and will learn from this season.
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Post by questionable on Apr 18, 2024 16:12:37 GMT
Baffled to read that some posters deem his time here as “ok”, it’s been nothing short of a disaster, obviously my decision ofc.
We look a complete train wreck most weeks and constantly picking names from a hat as to who’s playing and “where”…
There’s not a single positive I can honestly say is something to look forward to with SS in charge.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 18, 2024 16:31:34 GMT
Shumacher is 100% not the problem. He is a manager that can grow with experience. Of course he's a green horn, and whether he was the correct replacement for Neil is debatable but he's intelligent and will learn from this season. Will he? He’s already shown he’s not got the minerals to hack it at this level. It’s a big deficiency to change especially when you keep blaming everyone else like he does.
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Post by skip on Apr 18, 2024 17:01:59 GMT
Shumacher is 100% not the problem. He is a manager that can grow with experience. Of course he's a green horn, and whether he was the correct replacement for Neil is debatable but he's intelligent and will learn from this season. Will he? He’s already shown he’s not got the minerals to hack it at this level. It’s a big deficiency to change especially when you keep blaming everyone else like he does. Making tactical decisions that don't work out necessarily, is not the same has not having the minerals to do the job.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Apr 19, 2024 6:55:39 GMT
Eustace has had less time than Schumacher to turn things round and yes my point was that he started by making them hard to beat and they are coming into good form at the right time. We are still a bit of a soft touch and our performances are still erratic. If you asked me which manager is better equipped to deal with a relegation battle I'd still say Eustace. The problem is there were people who didn't think we were a relegation threatened team when Schumacher was appointed and it was just a matter of steering them to a top half finish. If that were the case then Schumacher was a decent choice but it wasn't. We were in a relegation battle and we needed a manager with a track record of knowing what to do in a relegation battle. Schumacher is winging it, Eustace knows what he is doing. So by your logic, John Eustace's record of knowing what to do in a relegation battle, was from when he "winged it" last season (when they finished on 53 points, the same as Stoke) because he'd had no experience of one before then, if indeed that even was really a relegation battle? Birmingham were definitely in a relegation battle under Eustace - it's rather odd to question his credentials because he actually did so well. Even if Eustace's first relegation battle was with Birmingham the point is he succeeded so he had that experience when he was an option for Stoke and he's repeating the trick at Blackburn. Eustace's appointment by Birmingham may well have been a risk for Birmingham but now he has that experience under his belt it is less of a risk now. There's nothing wrong with my logic - Schumacher was a far riskier appointment for a club in relegation battle than Eustace. The fact it may have been a risk at the time for Birmingham is completely irrelevant.
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Post by deeside2 on Apr 19, 2024 8:04:07 GMT
Baffled to read that some posters deem his time here as “ok”, it’s been nothing short of a disaster, obviously my decision ofc. We look a complete train wreck most weeks and constantly picking names from a hat as to who’s playing and “where”… There’s not a single positive I can honestly say is something to look forward to with SS in charge. I agree. IMO SS has been a really disappointing appointment. There seems to be no plan most weeks, we've continued to churn out woeful performances and results under him, he doesn't seem inspiring, has no gravitas or authority, doesn't display any drive or leadership, his subs are often "debatable", and his interviews are pretty meaningless. Having said all that he's pretty much on a par with most of JC's managerial appointments. Irrespective of which division we find ourselves in next season I don't think SS is the man to take us forward, and I feel a new coach or manager is needed.
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Post by thornestein on Apr 19, 2024 8:09:35 GMT
Baffled to read that some posters deem his time here as “ok”, it’s been nothing short of a disaster, obviously my decision ofc. We look a complete train wreck most weeks and constantly picking names from a hat as to who’s playing and “where”… There’s not a single positive I can honestly say is something to look forward to with SS in charge. I agree. IMO SS has been a really disappointing appointment. There seems to be no plan most weeks, we've continued to churn out woeful performances and results under him, he doesn't seem inspiring, has no gravitas or authority, doesn't display any drive or leadership, his subs are often "debatable", and his interviews are pretty meaningless. Having said all that he's pretty much on a par with most of JC's managerial appointments. Irrespective of which division we find ourselves in next season I don't think SS is the man to take us forward, and I feel a new coach or manager is needed. shhh or you will upset the happy clappers
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Apr 19, 2024 8:20:49 GMT
I agree. IMO SS has been a really disappointing appointment. There seems to be no plan most weeks, we've continued to churn out woeful performances and results under him, he doesn't seem inspiring, has no gravitas or authority, doesn't display any drive or leadership, his subs are often "debatable", and his interviews are pretty meaningless. Having said all that he's pretty much on a par with most of JC's managerial appointments. Irrespective of which division we find ourselves in next season I don't think SS is the man to take us forward, and I feel a new coach or manager is needed. shhh or you will upset the happy clappers I'm clapping hard for 3 more games and we can argue the toss on the 4th of May 👍 😃
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Post by bertiestan on Apr 19, 2024 8:25:07 GMT
shhh or you will upset the happy clappers I'm clapping hard for 3 more games and we can argue the toss on the 4th of May 👍 😃 Bang on mickey🔴⚪️
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Post by LGH87 on Apr 19, 2024 9:52:54 GMT
So by your logic, John Eustace's record of knowing what to do in a relegation battle, was from when he "winged it" last season (when they finished on 53 points, the same as Stoke) because he'd had no experience of one before then, if indeed that even was really a relegation battle? Birmingham were definitely in a relegation battle under Eustace - it's rather odd to question his credentials because he actually did so well. Even if Eustace's first relegation battle was with Birmingham the point is he succeeded so he had that experience when he was an option for Stoke and he's repeating the trick at Blackburn. Eustace's appointment by Birmingham may well have been a risk for Birmingham but now he has that experience under his belt it is less of a risk now. There's nothing wrong with my logic - Schumacher was a far riskier appointment for a club in relegation battle than Eustace. The fact it may have been a risk at the time for Birmingham is completely irrelevant. Schumacher was making just a good a fist of it, if not better with Plymouth at the time though, with a lot less resources than Eustace had at Birmingham. Granted he hadn't had a full season but they were well on course to staying up comfortably. If Eustace wasn't such a popular player, his name wouldn't even be mentioned on this board, not positively anyway. Let's not forget, he finished on the same points as Alex Neil did with Stoke last season and that was deemed a massive failure. Yet if you take the Stoke tinted specs off, Birmingham probably had a better side than us. Ruddy, Trusty, Sanderson, Bielik, Hannibal, Chong, Jobe Bellingham, Bacuna all walk in to last season's Stoke side & I could probably argue Jutkiewicz and Hogan would've played a lot of games too.
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Post by acstokie on Apr 19, 2024 11:21:55 GMT
I am not sure what Schumacher or anyone else can do with this squad of players
G- When he came in we had Bonham in goal who most see as a league 1 keeper at best. Then Iverson was bought in although this was done by the recruitment team.
RB- We had 3 of them, 2 of which have been injured the majority of Schumacher's time here.
LB- We had 1 of those and he was injured for the first 3 months.
CB- We have 4 all of which are prone to gaffes on a regular basis.
Mid- Burger has been great but it's his first season in this league and has shown signs of tiring. Pearson has spend most of his time either suspended or injured. Laurent and Baker have been inconsistent.
Wings- Junho has been excellent, but again this league is a massive step up for him so we are going to see some inconsistency. Million looks good but again its his first season. Leris and Haks have been disappointing in the main as has Vidigal whose start quickly petered out.
Strikers- Wesley not scored all season, Campbell whose confidence is shot, Mmaee who shows flashes of being a decent player, but looks unlikely to score regularly and has a questionable attitude and has spent a fair bit of time injured.
I mean all in all its a mess. I know Schumacher brought in Cundle and Ennis neither of whom have impressed, but they did well for him at Plymouth and both seem decent characters, the rest however are down to last summers recruitment. To be honest when you look at this bunch of players staying up will actually be an achievement, albeit a pitiful one!
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Post by idle on Apr 19, 2024 11:52:29 GMT
I agree. IMO SS has been a really disappointing appointment. There seems to be no plan most weeks, we've continued to churn out woeful performances and results under him, he doesn't seem inspiring, has no gravitas or authority, doesn't display any drive or leadership, his subs are often "debatable", and his interviews are pretty meaningless. Having said all that he's pretty much on a par with most of JC's managerial appointments. Irrespective of which division we find ourselves in next season I don't think SS is the man to take us forward, and I feel a new coach or manager is needed. shhh or you will upset the happy clappers Utter bollocks every word IMO. No plan? It's not always the right plan, but he has a plan. Unlike AN. Not inspiring? Inspiring enough to take points or at least play well against most top teams bar Leicester. No gravitas? WTF does this even mean? He looks kinda big-bellied to me! This is pure rectal opinionating. No authority? He demoted an unmotivated shithead to the reserves and got a motivated player back. Unlike the previous "man managers" we've had. No drive? He wanted to take a step up on the managerial ladder, and came here and brougth his family. You can see he's really invested in the way he's changed his manners. No leadership? See gravitas. His subs are mostly good and makes us better, unlike ANs or even MONs. His interviews are meaningless? WTF are you lot expecting? He's a football manager, not a guest at Hardtalk FFS... Is he the perfect appointment? No, of course not, and I said at the time that it was just as big of a gamble that Eustace would be. But he's done ok IMO. Better than I expected. And those of you wanting to get rid don't have an answer to who should be coming in except pie in the sky appointments like Cooper, Potter or some other blokes who's way above our current standing. If we go down and sack SS, we'll be having Ainsworth as manager, and you fucking all know it.
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Post by samwidge on Apr 19, 2024 11:57:38 GMT
shhh or you will upset the happy clappers Utter bollocks every word IMO. No plan? It's not always the right plan, but he has a plan. Unlike AN. Not inspiring? Inspiring enough to take points or at least play well against most top teams bar Leicester. No gravitas? WTF does this even mean? He looks kinda big-bellied to me! This is pure rectal opinionating. No authority? He demoted an unmotivated shithead to the reserves and got a motivated player back. Unlike the previous "man managers" we've had. No drive? He wanted to take a step up on the managerial ladder, and came here and brougth his family. You can see he's really invested in the way he's changed his manners. No leadership? See gravitas. His subs are mostly good and makes us better, unlike ANs or even MONs. His interviews are meaningless? WTF are you lot expecting? He's a football manager, not a guest at Hardtalk FFS... Is he the perfect appointment? No, of course not, and I said at the time that it was just as big of a gamble that Eustace would be. But he's done ok IMO. Better than I expected. And those of you wanting to get rid don't have an answer to who should be coming in except pie in the sky appointments like Cooper, Potter or some other blokes who's way above our current standing. If we go down and sack SS, we'll be having Ainsworth as manager, and you fucking all know it. Well said mate. Some people demanding a new manager every 3 months are a fucking embarrassment.
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