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Post by StokieDJC on Apr 19, 2024 11:59:47 GMT
shhh or you will upset the happy clappers Utter bollocks every word IMO. No plan? It's not always the right plan, but he has a plan. Unlike AN. Not inspiring? Inspiring enough to take points or at least play well against most top teams bar Leicester. No gravitas? WTF does this even mean? He looks kinda big-bellied to me! This is pure rectal opinionating. No authority? He demoted an unmotivated shithead to the reserves and got a motivated player back. Unlike the previous "man managers" we've had. No drive? He wanted to take a step up on the managerial ladder, and came here and brougth his family. You can see he's really invested in the way he's changed his manners. No leadership? See gravitas. His subs are mostly good and makes us better, unlike ANs or even MONs. His interviews are meaningless? WTF are you lot expecting? He's a football manager, not a guest at Hardtalk FFS... Is he the perfect appointment? No, of course not, and I said at the time that it was just as big of a gamble that Eustace would be. But he's done ok IMO. Better than I expected. And those of you wanting to get rid don't have an answer to who should be coming in except pie in the sky appointments like Cooper, Potter or some other blokes who's way above our current standing. If we go down and sack SS, we'll be having Ainsworth as manager, and you fucking all know it. 5th from bottom, 1 win in the last 6, -19 goal difference. Average of 1.09 ppg since he's been here. He's an absolute rock star of a manager! Keys to the city next.
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Post by lordb on Apr 19, 2024 12:02:20 GMT
Utter bollocks every word IMO. No plan? It's not always the right plan, but he has a plan. Unlike AN. Not inspiring? Inspiring enough to take points or at least play well against most top teams bar Leicester. No gravitas? WTF does this even mean? He looks kinda big-bellied to me! This is pure rectal opinionating. No authority? He demoted an unmotivated shithead to the reserves and got a motivated player back. Unlike the previous "man managers" we've had. No drive? He wanted to take a step up on the managerial ladder, and came here and brougth his family. You can see he's really invested in the way he's changed his manners. No leadership? See gravitas. His subs are mostly good and makes us better, unlike ANs or even MONs. His interviews are meaningless? WTF are you lot expecting? He's a football manager, not a guest at Hardtalk FFS... Is he the perfect appointment? No, of course not, and I said at the time that it was just as big of a gamble that Eustace would be. But he's done ok IMO. Better than I expected. And those of you wanting to get rid don't have an answer to who should be coming in except pie in the sky appointments like Cooper, Potter or some other blokes who's way above our current standing. If we go down and sack SS, we'll be having Ainsworth as manager, and you fucking all know it. 5th from bottom, 1 win in the last 6, -19 goal difference. Average of 1.09 ppg since he's been here. He's an absolute rock star of a manager! Keys to the city next. No one is saying that are they
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Post by onionman on Apr 19, 2024 12:09:29 GMT
I am not sure what Schumacher or anyone else can do with this squad of players G- When he came in we had Bonham in goal who most see as a league 1 keeper at best. Then Iverson was bought in although this was done by the recruitment team. RB- We had 3 of them, 2 of which have been injured the majority of Schumacher's time here. LB- We had 1 of those and he was injured for the first 3 months. CB- We have 4 all of which are prone to gaffes on a regular basis. Mid- Burger has been great but it's his first season in this league and has shown signs of tiring. Pearson has spend most of his time either suspended or injured. Laurent and Baker have been inconsistent. Wings- Junho has been excellent, but again this league is a massive step up for him so we are going to see some inconsistency. Million looks good but again its his first season. Leris and Haks have been disappointing in the main as has Vidigal whose start quickly petered out. Strikers- Wesley not scored all season, Campbell whose confidence is shot, Mmaee who shows flashes of being a decent player, but looks unlikely to score regularly and has a questionable attitude and has spent a fair bit of time injured. I mean all in all its a mess. I know Schumacher brought in Cundle and Ennis neither of whom have impressed, but they did well for him at Plymouth and both seem decent characters, the rest however are down to last summers recruitment. To be honest when you look at this bunch of players staying up will actually be an achievement, albeit a pitiful one! This would be a very fair defence if he had inherited this squad in February. Problem is he had a whole transfer window to at least try to fix the most glaring issues which you’ve outlined, and did absolutely nothing about them. And I know the January window isn’t easy and I know Ricky Martin is a dickhead, but was there really no available player in the entire world who could have been an improvement on Jordan Thompson at left back or the Chucklebrothers at centre back?
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Post by acstokie on Apr 19, 2024 12:32:25 GMT
I am not sure what Schumacher or anyone else can do with this squad of players G- When he came in we had Bonham in goal who most see as a league 1 keeper at best. Then Iverson was bought in although this was done by the recruitment team. RB- We had 3 of them, 2 of which have been injured the majority of Schumacher's time here. LB- We had 1 of those and he was injured for the first 3 months. CB- We have 4 all of which are prone to gaffes on a regular basis. Mid- Burger has been great but it's his first season in this league and has shown signs of tiring. Pearson has spend most of his time either suspended or injured. Laurent and Baker have been inconsistent. Wings- Junho has been excellent, but again this league is a massive step up for him so we are going to see some inconsistency. Million looks good but again its his first season. Leris and Haks have been disappointing in the main as has Vidigal whose start quickly petered out. Strikers- Wesley not scored all season, Campbell whose confidence is shot, Mmaee who shows flashes of being a decent player, but looks unlikely to score regularly and has a questionable attitude and has spent a fair bit of time injured. I mean all in all its a mess. I know Schumacher brought in Cundle and Ennis neither of whom have impressed, but they did well for him at Plymouth and both seem decent characters, the rest however are down to last summers recruitment. To be honest when you look at this bunch of players staying up will actually be an achievement, albeit a pitiful one! This would be a very fair defence if he had inherited this squad in February. Problem is he had a whole transfer window to at least try to fix the most glaring issues which you’ve outlined, and did absolutely nothing about them. And I know the January window isn’t easy and I know Ricky Martin is a dickhead, but was there really no available player in the entire world who could have been an improvement on Jordan Thompson at left back or the Chucklebrothers at centre back? He came in the 19 December though mate. Most of ours and every other teams recruitment had started way before then. Plus we had signed around 20 players in the summer so we can't really spend a lot or we are walking the FFP tightrope again. I stand to be corrected but not sure many teams in the bottom half made any standout signings in January that have made a real difference to them?
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Post by onionman on Apr 19, 2024 13:06:22 GMT
This would be a very fair defence if he had inherited this squad in February. Problem is he had a whole transfer window to at least try to fix the most glaring issues which you’ve outlined, and did absolutely nothing about them. And I know the January window isn’t easy and I know Ricky Martin is a dickhead, but was there really no available player in the entire world who could have been an improvement on Jordan Thompson at left back or the Chucklebrothers at centre back? He came in the 19 December though mate. Most of ours and every other teams recruitment had started way before then. Plus we had signed around 20 players in the summer so we can't really spend a lot or we are walking the FFP tightrope again. I stand to be corrected but not sure many teams in the bottom half made any standout signings in January that have made a real difference to them? It wasn't impossible to bring players in, and he did have funds, which he spent. All the evidence - including Schumacher's own comments - is that he prioritised other areas over a left-back and centre-back. He decided to spend his budget on a loan player in just about the only position we already had covered, a striker with a terrible record in the Championship, and a floaty winger who clearly needed time to adapt to the English game. I don't know about other clubs either, and I don't know what glaring gaps they needed to fill. But I retain that there must have been someone, either on loan or otherwise, who could have plugged those glaring gaps at left back and centre back, instead of the unnecessary signings that he did make.
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Post by foxysgloves on Apr 19, 2024 13:08:32 GMT
5th from bottom, 1 win in the last 6, -19 goal difference. Average of 1.09 ppg since he's been here. He's an absolute rock star of a manager! Keys to the city next. No one is saying that are they Literally nobody.
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Post by acstokie on Apr 19, 2024 13:28:24 GMT
As I say most of the recruitment had been done. The stuff with Iverson and Million was already underway when he came in. Cundle he got as he knew about the loan option and if Cundle had done as well here as he was doing at Plymouth we would have been in a better position. Ennis cost very little I believe and again is someone he knows and had scored a fair few goals for him in the past, its not worked here yet although the service to our strikers is dreadful. The January window is a joke for clubs near the bottom. Most the best loans are gone, any decent ones go to the teams at the top, and you have to pay inflated fees if you want to buy anyone.
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Post by onionman on Apr 19, 2024 13:35:26 GMT
I agree on Iverson and Million, but the defence of the Cundle and Ennis signings is beyond flimsy.
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Post by acstokie on Apr 19, 2024 13:42:52 GMT
I agree on Iverson and Million, but the defence of the Cundle and Ennis signings is beyond flimsy. Not really defending them, they have been poor, I just don't thing there were loads of options out there for teams in our position at that stage of the season. I think everyone who was down there in December are still down there now.
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Post by tony10 on Apr 19, 2024 15:51:30 GMT
No one is saying that are they Literally nobody. 1.09 ppg Oh what joy
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Post by telfordstokie on Apr 19, 2024 15:56:58 GMT
Baffled to read that some posters deem his time here as “ok”, it’s been nothing short of a disaster, obviously my decision ofc. We look a complete train wreck most weeks and constantly picking names from a hat as to who’s playing and “where”… There’s not a single positive I can honestly say is something to look forward to with SS in charge. Wheels had come off under Neil - if he’d stayed there’s no doubt in my mind we’d be in a similar or worse position now. A ‘disaster’ would be doing what Rotherham have done, not being one of plenty still in the relegation fight. We’ve had a mixed bag of results under him so yeah, I’d say it has been ok rather than spectacularly good or completely terrible. We are not a great side but we are just about keeping our heads above water.
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Post by foxysgloves on Apr 19, 2024 16:58:24 GMT
Who said anything about joy? Again literally nobody. But keep spouting shite.
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Post by tony10 on Apr 19, 2024 17:16:21 GMT
Who said anything about joy? Again literally nobody. But keep spouting shite. I was being sarcastic Wind your neck in
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Post by foxysgloves on Apr 19, 2024 17:26:14 GMT
Who said anything about joy? Again literally nobody. But keep spouting shite. I was being sarcastic Wind your neck in Every post you make is slating Schumacher. Might be better if you wound your neck in instead.
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Post by pavel on Apr 19, 2024 18:46:36 GMT
Are we in the bottom 3, have we been relegated, would sacking him if we lose tomorrow make any difference (probably yes, it would probably make it worse).
Current form over last 10 games is 16th I think, not great but almost certainly better than it would have been under Neil.
We are where we are and it’s mostly down to long time issues at the club rather than the current coach so as there is F**k all we can do about the situation anyway why don’t we wait until the end of the season.
Then we can have a real discussion and a real set to about the rights and wrongs and really get stuck into a dick measuring competition.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Apr 19, 2024 19:10:26 GMT
Baffled to read that some posters deem his time here as “ok”, it’s been nothing short of a disaster, obviously my decision ofc. We look a complete train wreck most weeks and constantly picking names from a hat as to who’s playing and “where”… There’s not a single positive I can honestly say is something to look forward to with SS in charge. Wheels had come off under Neil - if he’d stayed there’s no doubt in my mind we’d be in a similar or worse position now. A ‘disaster’ would be doing what Rotherham have done, not being one of plenty still in the relegation fight. We’ve had a mixed bag of results under him so yeah, I’d say it has been ok rather than spectacularly good or completely terrible. We are not a great side but we are just about keeping our heads above water. “Wheels had come off under Neil”……..Begs the question for me….Did he ever put them on
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Post by jebbstuart on Apr 19, 2024 19:26:59 GMT
Lets wait till the end of the season, 3 games to go lets get behind the team. At the end of the season we got to decide if he can take this club forward, personally think no fills me with no confidence he can manage a team in the championship. But will be a board decision ultimately and looks like a busy summer whatever happens
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Post by Rick Grimes on Apr 19, 2024 20:53:43 GMT
I think the players at his disposal are largely wank but if he fails to beat a team tomorrow that he pretty much know inside out then I won’t lose any sleep if he gets the sack.
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Post by karl on Apr 19, 2024 21:00:29 GMT
I think we should stick with him and a win tomorrow all but gets us over the line. I am sure JW/SS combo will have success in the summer.
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Post by Olgrligm on Apr 20, 2024 10:49:24 GMT
So the stats show:
Alex Neil’s 20 league games this season gained 21 points (W6-D3-L11, Goals 19-28),
Schumacher’s first 20 league games have gained 23 points (W6-D5-L9, Goals 19-29).
Pretty much what you'd expect. We drew a couple of games that we'd have lost under Neil. The difference is that Neil had totally run out of road and had visibly run out of ideas by the Sheffield Wednesday game. I still can't get over us instructing our goalkeeper to time waste and see out a 0-0 draw against the worst team in the league and us inevitably conspiring to lose anyway.
I don't think we're at that point with Schumacher. He had a sticky patch in the middle with disciplinary problems where it looked like he might have lost some players, but he dealt with this extremely well after naively allowing the Mmaee stuff out in the press and soon had the squad clearly fully behind him. The appointment of Walters also helped.
We're just in a situation where we have an error prone defence and an impotent attack, so we are always going to be inconsistent and have very bad days. Recruitment is so, so important this summer.
I should add that, like others, I'm in two minds about Schumacher.
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Post by mistergumby on Apr 20, 2024 11:11:28 GMT
Having given SS the benefit of doubt when he was appointed, the jury is still out for me BUT in his meejah interactions he increasingly (Consults Book of Football Cliches Volume 19)'Looks like a rabbit in the headlights', which is somewhat concerning.
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Post by questionable on Apr 20, 2024 11:29:10 GMT
shhh or you will upset the happy clappers Utter bollocks every word IMO. No plan? It's not always the right plan, but he has a plan. Unlike AN. Not inspiring? Inspiring enough to take points or at least play well against most top teams bar Leicester. No gravitas? WTF does this even mean? He looks kinda big-bellied to me! This is pure rectal opinionating. No authority? He demoted an unmotivated shithead to the reserves and got a motivated player back. Unlike the previous "man managers" we've had. No drive? He wanted to take a step up on the managerial ladder, and came here and brougth his family. You can see he's really invested in the way he's changed his manners. No leadership? See gravitas. His subs are mostly good and makes us better, unlike ANs or even MONs. His interviews are meaningless? WTF are you lot expecting? He's a football manager, not a guest at Hardtalk FFS... Is he the perfect appointment? No, of course not, and I said at the time that it was just as big of a gamble that Eustace would be. But he's done ok IMO. Better than I expected. And those of you wanting to get rid don't have an answer to who should be coming in except pie in the sky appointments like Cooper, Potter or some other blokes who's way above our current standing. If we go down and sack SS, we'll be having Ainsworth as manager, and you fucking all know it. Utter bollocks This is where I struggle with “some” Stoke fans and yes yourself included they’d clap if they had a turd in their hands, “better than expected” again utter bollocks, can you explain how remotely you can come up with this as I’m quite eager to hear as I’m obviously missing something?? We sit behind the dug out and SS looks lost and I mean lost which pretty much sums our team up most weeks, shocking manager.
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 20, 2024 16:08:16 GMT
So the stats show: Alex Neil’s 20 league games this season gained 21 points (W6-D3-L11, Goals 19-28), Schumacher’s first 20 league games have gained 23 points (W6-D5-L9, Goals 19-29). Pretty much what you'd expect. We drew a couple of games that we'd have lost under Neil. The difference is that Neil had totally run out of road and had visibly run out of ideas by the Sheffield Wednesday game. I still can't get over us instructing our goalkeeper to time waste and see out a 0-0 draw against the worst team in the league and us inevitably conspiring to lose anyway. I don't think we're at that point with Schumacher. He had a sticky patch in the middle with disciplinary problems where it looked like he might have lost some players, but he dealt with this extremely well after naively allowing the Mmaee stuff out in the press and soon had the squad clearly fully behind him. The appointment of Walters also helped. We're just in a situation where we have an error prone defence and an impotent attack, so we are always going to be inconsistent and have very bad days. Recruitment is so, so important this summer. I should add that, like others, I'm in two minds about Schumacher. There is a marked difference between Neil and Schumacher. One wants to be our manager and is desperate to do well. The other didn't and was just picking up his inflated paycheck.
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Post by foxysgloves on Apr 20, 2024 16:09:53 GMT
Handled the pressure today pretty well for a coward.
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Post by Scrotnig on Apr 20, 2024 16:10:25 GMT
Well I guess today probably settles it. He’s here next season.
I don’t know if that’s the right choice but hopefully after yet another woeful season of stress and anxiety, maybe we should just get behind him and see what he can do for us. I’ve reservations but I’m prepared to put them aside and see if we can go forwards instead of backwards now.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Apr 20, 2024 16:10:54 GMT
Congrats Steve, ya big Scouse coward.
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Post by strettonstokie on Apr 20, 2024 16:11:57 GMT
shhh or you will upset the happy clappers Utter bollocks every word IMO. No plan? It's not always the right plan, but he has a plan. Unlike AN. Not inspiring? Inspiring enough to take points or at least play well against most top teams bar Leicester. No gravitas? WTF does this even mean? He looks kinda big-bellied to me! This is pure rectal opinionating. No authority? He demoted an unmotivated shithead to the reserves and got a motivated player back. Unlike the previous "man managers" we've had. No drive? He wanted to take a step up on the managerial ladder, and came here and brougth his family. You can see he's really invested in the way he's changed his manners. No leadership? See gravitas. His subs are mostly good and makes us better, unlike ANs or even MONs. His interviews are meaningless? WTF are you lot expecting? He's a football manager, not a guest at Hardtalk FFS... Is he the perfect appointment? No, of course not, and I said at the time that it was just as big of a gamble that Eustace would be. But he's done ok IMO. Better than I expected. And those of you wanting to get rid don't have an answer to who should be coming in except pie in the sky appointments like Cooper, Potter or some other blokes who's way above our current standing. If we go down and sack SS, we'll be having Ainsworth as manager, and you fucking all know it. Best post I've ever seen here
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Post by collo68 on Apr 20, 2024 16:19:11 GMT
After the experience he has had he will be a much better manager for it.
The other thing that’s impressed me was he changed the plan on how we play as obviously he didn’t think we had the players to play the way he wants. Neil, Jones or Pullis for that matter never changed anything and that was there downfall
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Post by cobhamstokey on Apr 20, 2024 16:19:27 GMT
Got it spot on today. Not won me over 100 percent but if we stay up he deserves the opportunity to bring his own men in. It was only one performance but it’s a start and hopefully will keep us up.
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Post by stokiejoe on Apr 20, 2024 16:19:32 GMT
He has kept us up, not mathematically certain but pretty secure. That was what he was tasked to do that late in the season having inherited the team he did with little chance of changing many. A summer window with funds and chance to use pre season and we will see what he is really made of, good or bad. Personally I think he will do well.
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