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Post by generationex on Dec 10, 2023 11:48:22 GMT
Apart from Pearson there’s nobody in this team that will fancy the grind and toil of a relegation battle. So, yeah it’s a real possibility if we don’t turn it round quickly.
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Post by danmase on Dec 10, 2023 11:50:32 GMT
It's a huge worry if this squad gets pulled into a relegation battle. There's probably enough quality to get out of it, but there's certainly not enough bottle or character to fight their way out of any sort of trouble.
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Post by mcw on Dec 10, 2023 11:51:00 GMT
YES it's a very real possibility. If we appoint another dinosaur it's only going to end one way with this squad. We need a progressive coach and at least two or three quality additions in January to stand any chance of staying up. Sad thing is I don't know if I'm that bothered if it happens. Feel similar, but what would the happen is that you would think ahhh maybe we will have a good crack at League One. We won’t and will be sat in that league with an ever bigger delusional ego of we should not be in this league, whilst getting pumped/worn down by no mark clubs. It can get much worse believe you me.
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Post by bangorstokie on Dec 10, 2023 11:52:32 GMT
Nailed on I’m afraid, if Neil is still here in January. Fucking heart breaking.
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Post by baconburger on Dec 10, 2023 11:52:48 GMT
Christ this club and a huge percentage of its fanbase spend the vast majority of their lives shitting themselves. Wonder why we never get anywhere.
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Post by wilcopotter on Dec 10, 2023 11:53:59 GMT
In answer to OP
With a defence that you can perm any one of Hoever, Gooch, McNally, Rose , Clarke, Stevens and with Bonham in goal = YES.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2023 11:54:25 GMT
Very much luck of the draw now isn't it. I don't know why but every manager that arrives at Stoke with a half decent record fails, we can't afford to fail this next time though so a chancer won't cut it we need a solid appointment Bloody hell when vidigal7 throws in the towel the death knell has well and truly been sounded.
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Post by vidigal7 on Dec 10, 2023 11:55:34 GMT
Very much luck of the draw now isn't it. I don't know why but every manager that arrives at Stoke with a half decent record fails, we can't afford to fail this next time though so a chancer won't cut it we need a solid appointment I was loving your positivity these last few weeks and genuinely hoping for that corner turned process to take effect. It just doesn't look like its possible with AN now. I think yesterday will be the day he loses the players completely. He's a busted flush Thanks, I offered unconditional support because I'm f**king sick of failure and changing managers for nothing to change and then needing a whole new bunch of players to do the same again. I was prepared to sit it out for another couple of windows but I can't see a way back for him now, even if we do beat Swansea which at this point looks highly unlikely , he's always just one bad result away from abuse and its no good for the players, who I do actually think have let him down badly
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Post by chumley on Dec 10, 2023 11:57:48 GMT
Depends who we sign in January Neil will be pinning his hopes on Travers returning in January, he'll be seeing him as the saviour.. If AN's still here to get the chance to get him back! Is Travers going to play up front ?? That's what we need , someone to score, you came across well on radio last week mate. You'll be taking over next season.
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Post by baconburger on Dec 10, 2023 11:59:05 GMT
I was loving your positivity these last few weeks and genuinely hoping for that corner turned process to take effect. It just doesn't look like its possible with AN now. I think yesterday will be the day he loses the players completely. He's a busted flush Thanks, I offered unconditional support because I'm f**king sick of failure and changing managers for nothing to change and then needing a whole new bunch of players to do the same again. I was prepared to sit it out for another couple of windows but I can't see a way back for him now, even if we do beat Swansea which at this point looks highly unlikely , he's always just one bad result away from abuse and its no good for the players, who I do actually think have let him down badly The decision should already have been taken and the result vs Swansea immaterial to his future. Don’t know why people can’t see that just because there has been no announcement doesn’t mean the decision hasn’t been made.
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Post by baconburger on Dec 10, 2023 12:02:09 GMT
Neil will be pinning his hopes on Travers returning in January, he'll be seeing him as the saviour.. If AN's still here to get the chance to get him back! Is Travers going to play up front ?? That's what we need , someone to score, you came across well on radio last week mate. You'll be taking over next season. Correct it hasn’t just started going wrong it’s been going wrong since Rotherham at home 20 games 19 goals and 10 failures to score. Travers and a couple of premier league defenders in their prime couldn’t make those into successful stats.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 10, 2023 12:05:50 GMT
I was loving your positivity these last few weeks and genuinely hoping for that corner turned process to take effect. It just doesn't look like its possible with AN now. I think yesterday will be the day he loses the players completely. He's a busted flush Thanks, I offered unconditional support because I'm f**king sick of failure and changing managers for nothing to change and then needing a whole new bunch of players to do the same again. I was prepared to sit it out for another couple of windows but I can't see a way back for him now, even if we do beat Swansea which at this point looks highly unlikely , he's always just one bad result away from abuse and its no good for the players, who I do actually think have let him down badly I think its a mass break down of communication. AN has a decent enough managerial record. But I get the sense from the way they are playing that his messages simply aren't getting across. Maybe its the languages partly but I'm feeling its a personality issue as well. I pondered after yesterday's game what would happen if you simply said to the squad at 11am yesterday morning.....right you guys pick the team and work out how you want to play and let's see what happens..... My bet is they would have played with a lot more unity and produced some more flowing football. Whether that would have translated to a win or not is anybodies guess I suppose. But yesterday they looked like they'd all met 2 mins before kick off and were all in boots 3 or 4 sizes too big. And that is unacceptable as far as AN is concerned so for me he 100% now has to be relieved of his duties.
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Post by stokiemarc on Dec 10, 2023 12:14:35 GMT
Apart from Pearson there’s nobody in this team that will fancy the grind and toil of a relegation battle. So, yeah it’s a real possibility if we don’t turn it round quickly. I'm not even sure he fancies at the moment? He looks a shadow of the player he was last season recently.
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Post by baconburger on Dec 10, 2023 12:14:43 GMT
Thanks, I offered unconditional support because I'm f**king sick of failure and changing managers for nothing to change and then needing a whole new bunch of players to do the same again. I was prepared to sit it out for another couple of windows but I can't see a way back for him now, even if we do beat Swansea which at this point looks highly unlikely , he's always just one bad result away from abuse and its no good for the players, who I do actually think have let him down badly I think its a mass break down of communication. AN has a decent enough managerial record. But I get the sense from the way they are playing that his messages simply aren't getting across. Maybe its the languages partly but I'm feeling its a personality issue as well. I pondered after yesterday's game what would happen if you simply said to the squad at 11am yesterday morning.....right you guys pick the team and work out how you want to play and let's see what happens..... My bet is they would have played with a lot more unity and produced some more flowing football. Whether that would have translated to a win or not is anybodies guess I suppose. But yesterday they looked like they'd all met 2 mins before kick off and were all in boots 3 or 4 sizes too big. And that is unacceptable as far as AN is concerned so for me he 100% now has to be relieved of his duties. It’s not something unique to AN a very high proportion of coaches spend more time and energy trying to spoil the game than trying to do anything productive.
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Post by swampySCFC on Dec 10, 2023 12:14:52 GMT
If you look at the table and the appalling result yesterday and marry that up with the standard of football it’s a real possibility 😡🪓
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Post by baconburger on Dec 10, 2023 12:18:39 GMT
If you look at the table and the appalling result yesterday and marry that up with the standard of football it’s a real possibility 😡🪓 Of course it’s a possibility but dead cert, nailed on, inevitable. These phrases are being trotted out by drama queens left right and centre. We’ll more than likely stay up if we keep him or sack him. My preference is the latter.
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Post by lordb on Dec 10, 2023 12:22:55 GMT
If you look at the table and the appalling result yesterday and marry that up with the standard of football it’s a real possibility 😡🪓 Of course it’s a possibility but dead cert, nailed on, inevitable. These phrases are being trotted out by drama queens left right and centre. We’ll more than likely stay up if we keep him or sack him. My preference is the latter. Don’t think it's a dead cert however if we keep him it seems more likely than not and by 'seems ' I mean very fucking probably If we change manager, that depends on how that goes There's no fucking drama going on just grim reality that a: we are rubbish b: the mentality to battle relegation isn't there Presume the players are doing extra training today? ... Oh no of course not
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Post by vidigal7 on Dec 10, 2023 12:27:26 GMT
Thanks, I offered unconditional support because I'm f**king sick of failure and changing managers for nothing to change and then needing a whole new bunch of players to do the same again. I was prepared to sit it out for another couple of windows but I can't see a way back for him now, even if we do beat Swansea which at this point looks highly unlikely , he's always just one bad result away from abuse and its no good for the players, who I do actually think have let him down badly The decision should already have been taken and the result vs Swansea immaterial to his future. Don’t know why people can’t see that just because there has been no announcement doesn’t mean the decision hasn’t been made. I'd be very suprised if he's in the dug out Tuesday. I'm sure he's been relieved of his duties and the Coates are leaving it until Monday to reveal as to give him time to take it in. I've got no problem with that at all I think it's the right thing to do
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Post by baconburger on Dec 10, 2023 12:29:37 GMT
Of course it’s a possibility but dead cert, nailed on, inevitable. These phrases are being trotted out by drama queens left right and centre. We’ll more than likely stay up if we keep him or sack him. My preference is the latter. Don’t think it's a dead cert however if we keep him it seems more likely than not and by 'seems ' I mean very fucking probably If we change manager, that depends on how that goes There's no fucking drama going on just grim reality that a: we are rubbish b: the mentality to battle relegation isn't there Presume the players are doing extra training today? ... Oh no of course not Naah sorry not buying that it’s possible not probable either way . Just avoiding relegation is in no way shape or form acceptable for a club with our resources so I’m not saying it’s any basis for him remaining a minute longer than it takes us to agree with his replacement. Don’t think young people nowadays respond to people being dicks with them. Unless they were scheduled to train they shouldn’t train vindictiveness was pretty old fashioned even when Pulis was at it.
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Post by lordb on Dec 10, 2023 12:31:02 GMT
Don’t think it's a dead cert however if we keep him it seems more likely than not and by 'seems ' I mean very fucking probably If we change manager, that depends on how that goes There's no fucking drama going on just grim reality that a: we are rubbish b: the mentality to battle relegation isn't there Presume the players are doing extra training today? ... Oh no of course not Naah sorry not buying that it’s possible not probable either way . Just avoiding relegation is in no way shape or form acceptable for a club with our resources so I’m not saying it’s any basis for him remaining a minute longer than it takes us to agree with his replacement. Don’t think young people nowadays respond to people being dicks with them. Unless they were scheduled to train they shouldn’t train vindictiveness was pretty old fashioned even when Pulis was at it. We play Tuesday two days preparation instead of one makes sense to me, give them Wednesday off It's not about punishment it's about being ready
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Post by baconburger on Dec 10, 2023 12:36:36 GMT
Naah sorry not buying that it’s possible not probable either way . Just avoiding relegation is in no way shape or form acceptable for a club with our resources so I’m not saying it’s any basis for him remaining a minute longer than it takes us to agree with his replacement. Don’t think young people nowadays respond to people being dicks with them. Unless they were scheduled to train they shouldn’t train vindictiveness was pretty old fashioned even when Pulis was at it. We play Tuesday two days preparation instead of one makes sense to me, give them Wednesday off It's not about punishment it's about being ready Yeah I mean who believes in the science of recovery. Fucking Woke hog wash😂😂😂😂😂
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2023 21:53:21 GMT
I think Johnny Eustace or Neil Warnock could save us from relegation.
But hopefully on a one year contract.
Long term I am really struggling to come up with a name .
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Post by stokiejoe89 on Dec 10, 2023 21:55:49 GMT
No, just because there are a few worse teams than us.
But we will be in the mix that's for sure.
On our day we have shown we can turn teams over..there are teams in the league who haven't and can't do that.
Those rare moments will save us
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Post by kidcrewbob on Dec 10, 2023 21:59:37 GMT
We’re not getting relegated in my view as there are 3 clubs in deep do do already and we have a reasonable cushion - big question for me is how much of a tune can a new incumbent get out of this odd pool of players…..if so top half and a cheeky late tilt at the play offs is entirely possible although I concede mid-table the more likely…..
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Post by smallthorner on Dec 10, 2023 22:00:23 GMT
I wasn't until about 4.55pm Saturday.
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Post by flea79 on Dec 10, 2023 22:02:27 GMT
We’re not getting relegated in my view as there are 3 clubs in deep do do already and we have a reasonable cushion - big question for me is how much of a tune can a new incumbent get out of this odd pool of players…..if so top half and a cheeky late tilt at the play offs is entirely possible although I concede mid-table the more likely….. Sure one or two teams are likely to end up with point deductions too which will help
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Dec 10, 2023 22:09:06 GMT
The January window is key to ensuring we don’t get bogged down in a relegation battle. If Wesley really is as ineffective as he seems to be then a centre forward to bring out the best of Mmaee and Vidigal is crucial. I hesitate to include Tyrese as he’ll be off in June and I’m not sure how committed he is. A keeper is a definite as is a centre back, irrespective of Willmott’s return. A left back would be the icing on the cake. Any new manager has plenty of time to size up the squad, chat to the coaches and identify targets with Jared and Ricky. We may or may not be able to let Baker go or he might get a reprieve. The new guy will have a bit of wiggle room in transfers and then time to impose his system. Better for this to happen now than two weeks time or more.
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Post by chamberlain on Dec 10, 2023 22:12:08 GMT
We’re not getting relegated in my view as there are 3 clubs in deep do do already and we have a reasonable cushion - big question for me is how much of a tune can a new incumbent get out of this odd pool of players…..if so top half and a cheeky late tilt at the play offs is entirely possible although I concede mid-table the more likely….. Sure one or two teams are likely to end up with point deductions too which will help Any in mind ?
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Post by flea79 on Dec 10, 2023 22:13:25 GMT
Sure one or two teams are likely to end up with point deductions too which will help Any in mind ? No none at all but it seems to be an annual thing nowadays
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Post by chamberlain on Dec 10, 2023 22:15:30 GMT
No none at all but it seems to be an annual thing nowadays We just need the 3 at the bottom and we should be ok
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