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Post by thehartshillbadger on Dec 6, 2023 19:00:28 GMT
Without a doubt. We are more likely to be relegated than promoted that’s for sure
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Post by Gob Bluth on Dec 7, 2023 9:46:14 GMT
I'm sure the players and manager would deny it but we're 5 points off the relegation zone after 19 games with worse form than any of the clubs below us.
Spending money, manager's previous records count for nothing and we're not the only club to see this. It's about what is happening here and now.
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Post by stokeson on Dec 7, 2023 9:53:29 GMT
A goalkepper CB and willmot back after the window should be enough to scrape though. After 300m spent how did we get here?
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Dec 7, 2023 11:42:29 GMT
Without a doubt. We are more likely to be relegated than promoted that’s for sure We're more likely to be playing Championship football* than anything else. *if you can call what we play "football".
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Dec 7, 2023 12:36:47 GMT
A goalkepper CB and willmot back after the window should be enough to scrape though. After 300m spent how did we get here? We weren't doing that well when Wilmot was playing.
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Post by lordb on Dec 7, 2023 12:50:54 GMT
Without a doubt. We are more likely to be relegated than promoted that’s for sure We're more likely to be playing Championship football* than anything else. *if you can call what we play "football". I think it's 50/50 unless things change currently imo the attitude at the club is there is no danger of relegation which in itself is dangerous when in a relegation battle, which we are, you need to be ready for it
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Dec 7, 2023 12:55:10 GMT
We're more likely to be playing Championship football* than anything else. *if you can call what we play "football". I think it's 50/50 unless things change currently imo the attitude at the club is there is no danger of relegation which in itself is dangerous when in a relegation battle, which we are, you need to be ready for it 16/1 available on your percieved even money shot.
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Post by lordb on Dec 7, 2023 13:01:25 GMT
I think it's 50/50 unless things change currently imo the attitude at the club is there is no danger of relegation which in itself is dangerous when in a relegation battle, which we are, you need to be ready for it 16/1 available on your percieved even money shot. I'm not a betting man, or very rarely, but thats tempting it won't take much to put relegation worries to bed but atm I see a casual Stoke City who keep losing home games & don't score many goals two very big home games coming up
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 7, 2023 13:01:41 GMT
A goalkepper CB and willmot back after the window should be enough to scrape though. After 300m spent how did we get here? Because the chap running the club is about as useful as I'd be at running it. He needs help but is too stubborn and or stupid to do anything about it.
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Dec 7, 2023 13:09:58 GMT
16/1 available on your percieved even money shot. I'm not a betting man, or very rarely, but thats tempting it won't take much to put relegation worries to bed but atm I see a casual Stoke City who keep losing home games & don't score many goals two very big home games coming up I don't see us going down. Our squad should be good enough to finish in the top half. Is it a mentality issue? A management issue? One thing I will say - if we did get dragged in to a "relegation dog fight", I don't think we have the players for it. They have the ability, but not sure they'd have the mettle. I think there are 4 or 5 teams who're much worse than the rest. So far we've beaten one and failed to win against three of them (D1, L2) when we should have won all three. The fifth one is at the weekend.
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Post by lordb on Dec 7, 2023 13:33:34 GMT
I'm not a betting man, or very rarely, but thats tempting it won't take much to put relegation worries to bed but atm I see a casual Stoke City who keep losing home games & don't score many goals two very big home games coming up I don't see us going down. Our squad should be good enough to finish in the top half. Is it a mentality issue? A management issue? One thing I will say - if we did get dragged in to a "relegation dog fight", I don't think we have the players for it. They have the ability, but not sure they'd have the mettle. I think there are 4 or 5 teams who're much worse than the rest. So far we've beaten one and failed to win against three of them (D1, L2) when we should have won all three. The fifth one is at the weekend. We are 4 points clear No one else outside the bottom 3 has lost as many games Would normally say about 70/30 in favour of staying up but as I say the casual complacent attitude evidenced by the managers recent holiday plus the lack of goals imo makes it 50/50 6 points from next two games and can put this down to paranoia 0 points, and 0 points seems not unlikely and I think many fans will be very concerned indeed
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 7, 2023 13:40:20 GMT
I don't see us going down. Our squad should be good enough to finish in the top half. Is it a mentality issue? A management issue? One thing I will say - if we did get dragged in to a "relegation dog fight", I don't think we have the players for it. They have the ability, but not sure they'd have the mettle. I think there are 4 or 5 teams who're much worse than the rest. So far we've beaten one and failed to win against three of them (D1, L2) when we should have won all three. The fifth one is at the weekend. We are 4 points clear No one else outside the bottom 3 has lost as many games Would normally say about 70/30 in favour of staying up but as I say the casual complacent attitude evidenced by the managers recent holiday plus the lack of goals imo makes it 50/50 6 points from next two games and can put this down to paranoia 0 points, and 0 points seems not unlikely and I think many fans will be very concerned indeed Concerned? Putting it mildly. There is no way he will survive consecutive losses at home to Wednesday and Swansea. Even John Coates would realise that, especially with clubs in and around us changing things.
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Post by lordb on Dec 7, 2023 13:43:00 GMT
We are 4 points clear No one else outside the bottom 3 has lost as many games Would normally say about 70/30 in favour of staying up but as I say the casual complacent attitude evidenced by the managers recent holiday plus the lack of goals imo makes it 50/50 6 points from next two games and can put this down to paranoia 0 points, and 0 points seems not unlikely and I think many fans will be very concerned indeed Concerned? Putting it mildly. There is no way he will survive consecutive losses at home to Wednesday and Swansea. Even John Coates would realise that, especially with clubs in and around us changing things. Surely yes And I was avoiding hyperbole
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Post by stokeyank on Dec 7, 2023 15:17:06 GMT
A goalkepper CB and willmot back after the window should be enough to scrape though. After 300m spent how did we get here? Relying on the idea that Ben Willmont will massively improve our back line is a frightening idea. I like him but he is a bang average defender. I still think we will hang on to stay up but it's going to be a rough ride.
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Post by stokeson on Dec 7, 2023 15:40:43 GMT
A goalkepper CB and willmot back after the window should be enough to scrape though. After 300m spent how did we get here? Relying on the idea that Ben Willmont will massively improve our back line is a frightening idea. I like him but he is a bang average defender. I still think we will hang on to stay up but it's going to be a rough ride. I think Willmot Next to McNally will improve him but as I said in my post we need another CB to improve the defence.
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Post by Northy on Dec 7, 2023 15:52:00 GMT
A goalkepper CB and willmot back after the window should be enough to scrape though. After 300m spent how did we get here? 'What's all the fuss about'...
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Post by lordb on Dec 10, 2023 11:14:30 GMT
Is anyone still thinking we are not in danger?
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Post by GeneralFaye on Dec 10, 2023 11:16:23 GMT
Get a coach in then I'm not bothered at all. Leave this charlatan at the helm then anything is possible.
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Dec 10, 2023 11:18:27 GMT
Based on the last few weeks we are definitely in the mix.
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Post by Trouserdog on Dec 10, 2023 11:22:23 GMT
On paper, this side shouldn't go down, but you could probably say that for every Stoke side that's got relegated since the 1985 debacle.
All of our relegated sides had a number of good players in them, but they were all dragged down by having a few too many substandard players in key positions. The 1997 squad managed to go down with Kavanagh, Thorne, Keen, Griffin and Sigurdsson in their ranks: players who would all walk into this team and be a massive upgrade. Fucking hell, even the likes of Forsyth, Wallace, Whittle and Lightbourne would be an upgrade on what we're watching now.
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Post by WorkingclassHero on Dec 10, 2023 11:28:51 GMT
On paper, this side shouldn't go down, but you could probably say that for every Stoke side that's got relegated since the 1985 debacle. All of our relegated sides had a number of good players in them, but they were all dragged down by having a few too many substandard players in key positions. The 1997 squad managed to go down with Kavanagh, Thorne, Keen, Griffin and Sigurdsson in their ranks: players who would all walk into this team and be a massive upgrade. Fucking hell, even the likes of Forsyth, Wallace, Whittle and Lightbourne would be an upgrade on what we're watching now. If we don't get rid, getting relegated looks extremely likely to me
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Post by robstokie on Dec 10, 2023 11:29:22 GMT
Not so much sensing it as feeling it creep up closer and closer the longer we keep this complete and utter fucking fraud in charge! Lets also remember we only just ended up staying up last season too - a couple of fluky results in March and Reading getting a points deduction saved us. Losing games consecutively to teams in and around us to injury time winners, our home form over the last year and a half and having a bunch of over hyped cowards who collectively have no leaders or even balls between them who collectively crumble the first time something conspires against them, assembled by the aforementioned fraud and his statto mate, means we positively reek of it.
The worrying thing is that this bunch would struggle in league 1 - they won't fancy putting in the hard yards on a cold Tuesday night in Carlisle in February, plus we will still be lumbered with a load of them on big money for that level and the likes of Burton, Shrewsbury and of Course the Soap Dodgers will be more than up for giving us a bloody nose.
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Post by mcw on Dec 10, 2023 11:29:24 GMT
We are I one up to our eyes and ears and not equipped at all to be dealing with it. This team is so weak both physically and mentally that l fear that if we drop into the bottom three it will be nigh on impossible to get out. I keep hearing that “this squad is too good”, what the hell has anyone else been watching this season. I see a team that is fragile, defensively weak, prone to switching off, heads go down, don’t press or battle for the ball as a team, little to no creativity/movement and almost zero goal threat. How is that too good to go down?
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Post by pottersson on Dec 10, 2023 11:30:50 GMT
The place absolutely wreaks of it.
Echo’s of 98
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Dec 10, 2023 11:34:41 GMT
We are a complete mess & if we do drop into the bottom 3 which seems very likely I don't see the players with the bottle to roll up there sleeves & get us out.
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Post by vidigal7 on Dec 10, 2023 11:35:48 GMT
Very much luck of the draw now isn't it.
I don't know why but every manager that arrives at Stoke with a half decent record fails, we can't afford to fail this next time though so a chancer won't cut it we need a solid appointment
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 10, 2023 11:36:19 GMT
Not so much sensing it as feeling it creep up closer and closer the longer we keep this complete and utter fucking fraud in charge! Lets also remember we only just ended up staying up last season too - a couple of fluky results in March and Reading getting a points deduction saved us. Losing games consecutively to teams in and around us to injury time winners, our home form over the last year and a half and having a bunch of over hyped cowards who collectively have no leaders or even balls between them who collectively crumble the first time something conspires against them, assembled by the aforementioned fraud and his statto mate, means we positively reek of it. The worrying thing is that this bunch would struggle in league 1 - they won't fancy putting in the hard yards on a cold Tuesday night in Carlisle in February, plus we will still be lumbered with a load of them on big money for that level and the likes of Burton, Shrewsbury and of Course the Soap Dodgers will be more than up for giving us a bloody nose. Ooof. Get rid now, we can't risk having to play the soap dodgers!!!
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Post by thornestein on Dec 10, 2023 11:37:39 GMT
Very much luck of the draw now isn't it. I don't know why but every manager that arrives at Stoke with a half decent record fails, we can't afford to fail this next time though so a chancer won't cut it we need a solid appointment AN best get a good divorce lawyer , looks like even his Mrs as turned against him now 😉😁🤣😂🤣😂
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2023 11:40:50 GMT
YES it's a very real possibility.
If we appoint another dinosaur it's only going to end one way with this squad. We need a progressive coach and at least two or three quality additions in January to stand any chance of staying up.
Sad thing is I don't know if I'm that bothered if it happens.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 10, 2023 11:46:39 GMT
Very much luck of the draw now isn't it. I don't know why but every manager that arrives at Stoke with a half decent record fails, we can't afford to fail this next time though so a chancer won't cut it we need a solid appointment I was loving your positivity these last few weeks and genuinely hoping for that corner turned process to take effect. It just doesn't look like its possible with AN now. I think yesterday will be the day he loses the players completely. He's a busted flush
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