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Post by FrankButcher on Dec 4, 2023 0:51:53 GMT
We’d be in the bottom three if we hadn’t of had that 5 game purple patch just gone the more I think about the more I feel we could get dragged into the relegation battle I’m not colin wankers biggest fan but he’d get more out of this group than what AN is achieving currently.
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Post by callas12 on Dec 4, 2023 1:20:38 GMT
Surely a few FFP penalties to 1 or 2 opposition teams will play in our favour 🤞 Birmingham sacking Eustace & appointing Rooney may yet be a help to us. Blues fans are convinced they're on the slide & are fearing being sucked into the bottom 3 melee. How sad that for another consecutive season we're having to look over our shoulders and hope there's 3 worse clubs than us!
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Post by roylandstoke on Dec 4, 2023 1:53:36 GMT
If staying up is dependent on the manager’s hard work, we’re fucked.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Dec 4, 2023 7:40:26 GMT
Definitely.
QPR, Sheff Wed have made managerial changes and they have improved massively.
We’re only 5 points from the drop now nearly half way through the season.
I’m hoping for a mid afternoon announcement today.
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Post by jokker on Dec 4, 2023 21:23:44 GMT
Just look at the table points and the goals scored. We may be struggling conistently but we're several points ahead of the bottom three and we've scored more goals than all three have. Moreover qpr, who's top of the bottom three, just ran out of luck. They won't be playing against Stoke for months and so no more gift points are coming their way.
But we're in a position similar to Mark Hughes' last few weeks. Above the bottom, too good to go down, but go down we did.
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Post by jokker on Dec 4, 2023 21:28:16 GMT
I remember thinking there are 3 worst teams than us a couple of months ago, but now those are the teams that are taking points off us Losing to Sheff Weds and or Swansea would be real litmus tests in more ways than one I agree exactly on the last part. The next two games will tell us what type of team Stoke are, if we have progressed at least some bit, or if we're truly a bottom five team. But while the other three are taking points off us, we're capable of beating Leeds et al, so we'll make up for those losses.
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Post by matelot1996 on Dec 5, 2023 21:45:49 GMT
One massive danger to us dropping out of the league is an arrogance that says we are too good. Many so called big teams have been sucked into a perpetual decline fuelled by shit management, shit playing staff and apathy. We are certainly not too good to go down. Not even close. It could easily happen given our clubs leadership failings.
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Post by pushon on Dec 5, 2023 22:01:15 GMT
One massive danger to us dropping out of the league is an arrogance that says we are too good. Many so called big teams have been sucked into a perpetual decline fuelled by shit management, shit playing staff and apathy. We are certainly not too good to go down. Not even close. It could easily happen given our clubs leadership failings. Whoah there! We're a long way from dropping into None-League territory. We seem to constantly flirt with a trip into Division1, but None-League..No way.
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Post by matelot1996 on Dec 5, 2023 22:03:10 GMT
One massive danger to us dropping out of the league is an arrogance that says we are too good. Many so called big teams have been sucked into a perpetual decline fuelled by shit management, shit playing staff and apathy. We are certainly not too good to go down. Not even close. It could easily happen given our clubs leadership failings. Whoah there! We're a long way from dropping into None-League territory. We seem to constantly flirt with a trip into Division1, but None-League..No way. Calm down. I meant Dropping out of this league. 😂
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Post by lordb on Dec 5, 2023 22:25:29 GMT
The current manager taking a holiday during the international break shows he hasn't considered the possibility
It shouldn't be that difficult to stay up but if we have that kind of lax attitude then that translates onto the pitch
I know people want a groovy new manager but we need to stay up first if that means a Warnock or similar on a short term deal then needs must
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Post by ravey123 on Dec 5, 2023 22:33:13 GMT
The current manager taking a holiday during the international break shows he hasn't considered the possibility It shouldn't be that difficult to stay up but if we have that kind of lax attitude then that translates onto the pitch I know people want a groovy new manager but we need to stay up first if that means a Warnock or similar on a short term deal then needs must Do we know for definite that he went on holiday? If he did during the season it is a bloody disgrace.
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Post by blackpoolred on Dec 5, 2023 22:36:44 GMT
We were in the bottom three at half-time against Brizzle and turned it around and I have to say before we played Sunderland I just had a feeling of resignation and that it was all about to go tits up - and then we went and won 3 on the bounce - our goal did live a charmed life in those 3 games when I look back, but there was still enough in there to make me believe we can win a few more.
We are shocking defensively, we don't have any guile in there, nobody really great in the air, no quality and as ever massively short of numbers/competition.
Just hope that can be rectified in the window or should I say my heart hopes it can change my head knows it wont and will more likely be another massive struggle in the 2nd half of the season.
AN stated himself that we needed to have at least 2 competitive players for each position, so not quite sure what happened at LB just one half viable 30+ player who was 2 years past his sell by date according to Sheff U fans and three central defenders, no backup or decent competition at GK - this is not just on our managers head if we fail - we need to take a look at how the club is ran from top to bottom
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Post by pushon on Dec 5, 2023 22:42:24 GMT
Whoah there! We're a long way from dropping into None-League territory. We seem to constantly flirt with a trip into Division1, but None-League..No way. Calm down. I meant Dropping out of this league. 😂 Sure, I wasn't really thinking, though the Championship is a Division of the EFL and not a League in its own right. Or maybe I'm quite likely spouting a load of crap.🤐
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Post by callas12 on Dec 6, 2023 0:30:59 GMT
How sad and disappointing after years of struggle, poor League table placings & empty promises of having learnt lessons and aiming to strive to get back to the Premier League that yet again we're having to consider the distinct possibility of getting relegated to League One!
After another pre season of hope and new beginnings we're now approaching the all important Christmas & New Year period, looking over our shoulders instead of looking forwards to strengthening in January & then mounting a play off/promotion challenge as we all were led to believe we would at season ticket renewal time last season & over the summer.
Attracting new players will be made even more difficult in January by our lowly uninspiring league position & clubs like Hull, Ipswich, Blackburn & PNE will be appearing far more attractive propositions for players looking for a winter move and fresh challenge. & that isn't including the ex Prem Clubs like Leicester, Leeds & Southampton who will all have money to burn.
Anyone saying we're to good to get relegated clearly hasn't learnt from previous lessons. A top half finish is likely to be the best we can expect this season, but even that will be some achievement considering where we are right now, & certainly not where we were led to believe we'd be.
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Post by stokiesteve on Dec 6, 2023 6:37:13 GMT
Yep
It’s a distinct possibility
All the ingredients are there. Misfiring team, supporter apathy moving towards turning on the team, injuries, unsettled team, disconnect between club and fans, booing, throwing away points, desperate defending, poor confidence….
How can anyone argue it isn’t a possibility?
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Post by svengaliinplatforms on Dec 6, 2023 6:57:23 GMT
Just look at the table points and the goals scored. We may be struggling conistently but we're several points ahead of the bottom three and we've scored more goals than all three have. Moreover qpr, who's top of the bottom three, just ran out of luck. They won't be playing against Stoke for months and so no more gift points are coming their way. But we're in a position similar to Mark Hughes' last few weeks. Above the bottom, too good to go down, but go down we did. I honestly, don't know what the hell people are watching. To say "we're too good to go down" is ridiculous. We scraped past a few sides in a mini-purple patch, then outside of that we've been mainly, shit. We've got lots of bad habits, and not many good ones. We've got lots of 'meh' players, and not many good ones. We've got what looks like, another clueless dud manager. Our home form is absolutely rancid. Sheffield Wednesday will come here on Saturday, tails up, fully believing that 3pts are there for the taking. Then...onto the next 'easy game'. I think people need to put smelling salts on their Christmas lists, because you're going to need them.
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Post by thornestein on Dec 6, 2023 11:33:08 GMT
with this fool in charge its becoming more possible after every match
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Post by mcw on Dec 6, 2023 11:41:41 GMT
I genuinely think that AN is incapable of thinking past one game. He is so entrenched in working out how to play tactically against the next team, setting up the team how he sees fit and then in isolation reflecting on the end result that he either doesn't have the capacity or desire to step outside of that and reflect on where we actually are/how he may need to adapt to the circumstances we are in. I fully expect him to be saying to the players don't worry, it will come good and believe in the "process". He needs to put a fricking rocket up them and concentrate on getting each and every one of them running, tackling and giving it everything to contend every second ball/every potential cross etc. Once and only once he has them doing that in a simple to follow shape should he be tinkering/adapting his tactics to the opposition. He is managing the team like we are Man City and we are more like a Sunday league side at the moment.
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Post by baconburger on Dec 6, 2023 11:46:41 GMT
No!
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 6, 2023 11:57:20 GMT
Ask me again this time next week after the Sheff Wed/Swansea games......
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Dec 6, 2023 12:30:27 GMT
We won't go down. We'll finish bottom half, Neil will tell us it's because "we're still a new squad" (as if we're the only club in history to buy new players amd therefore have what he can call "a new squad" every transfer window).Then he'll buy another 6 players in the summer because these haven't performed, so he can trot out the "we're still a new squad" bs next season as well.
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Post by jokker on Dec 6, 2023 14:12:44 GMT
Just look at the table points and the goals scored. We may be struggling conistently but we're several points ahead of the bottom three and we've scored more goals than all three have. Moreover qpr, who's top of the bottom three, just ran out of luck. They won't be playing against Stoke for months and so no more gift points are coming their way. But we're in a position similar to Mark Hughes' last few weeks. Above the bottom, too good to go down, but go down we did. I honestly, don't know what the hell people are watching. To say "we're too good to go down" is ridiculous. We scraped past a few sides in a mini-purple patch, then outside of that we've been mainly, shit. We've got lots of bad habits, and not many good ones. We've got lots of 'meh' players, and not many good ones. We've got what looks like, another clueless dud manager. Our home form is absolutely rancid. Sheffield Wednesday will come here on Saturday, tails up, fully believing that 3pts are there for the taking. Then...onto the next 'easy game'. I think people need to put smelling salts on their Christmas lists, because you're going to need them. You're missing the point. Yes of course we run the risk of going down, but as things stand it's not happening. This is true just as it can't be completely ruled out that we turn a corner somewhere in the universe and end up in the PO zone, which we might win because the other teams are a bundle of nerves, while we have nothing to lose having long been written off by svengaliinplatforms. For what it's worth when I said " too good to go down" I was referring to Mark Hughes' team, and we all know what happenedd. It's a historical fact. I thought that was pretty clear with his name in the same line. Sorry that it was too complicated for you to understand...
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Post by nott1 on Dec 6, 2023 14:16:04 GMT
A very real possibility!
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Dec 6, 2023 15:46:50 GMT
Unless results improve ,of cause we can go down.Anyone can go down if their results are not good enough over the season.
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Post by cvillestokie on Dec 6, 2023 16:50:13 GMT
I think we’ll finish 14th. We’ll spend more money on shite in January and have a lucky run that will keep him in charge for yet another bottom half finish.
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Post by shrewspotter on Dec 6, 2023 17:01:07 GMT
For what its worth i dont think we will go down, but I think we are definetly sliding the wrong way year by year. I fear it could be a 15th-20th place finish and another rebuild in 2024
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Post by Northy on Dec 6, 2023 18:48:33 GMT
At the moment, yes, we were lucky Patrick Bamford missed that penalty otherwise we would only be 2 points off relegation, our current form of DDLLL is very much relegation form
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Post by stokemark on Dec 6, 2023 18:54:28 GMT
The current manager taking a holiday during the international break shows he hasn't considered the possibility It shouldn't be that difficult to stay up but if we have that kind of lax attitude then that translates onto the pitch I know people want a groovy new manager but we need to stay up first if that means a Warnock or similar on a short term deal then needs must Do we know for definite that he went on holiday? If he did during the season it is a bloody disgrace. If that's true / substantiates and if it was for any length of time then he needs the sack immediately. The fool that allowed it needs to take a long hard look in the mirror too
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Post by LH_SCFC on Dec 6, 2023 18:56:58 GMT
12/1 to be relegated with Bet365.
16/1 to finish top 6 for context.
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Post by stoke1989 on Dec 6, 2023 18:58:57 GMT
12/1 to be relegated with Bet365. 16/1 to finish top 6 for context. I can see neither happening, but if push came to shove I'd fancy the larger odds.
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