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Post by PotterLog on Apr 17, 2024 17:11:52 GMT
some people on here think the women should be eternally grateful to even get a chance of having a kickaround in the red and white stripes... she was wearing our colours when she got injured we should have a responsibility for her. That's a difference discussion to whether you don't watch women's football, or whatever. **Rightly or wrongly**, it seems it's an issue throughout women's football though, not just Stoke. From what I can see, clubs at that level don't cover players. I mean it's *wrongly*, isn't it. Professional sports teams who contract players to represent them should be paying for their medical treatment when they get injured, surely this isn't a difficult ethical issue to come down upon?
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Post by RF10 on Apr 17, 2024 17:20:49 GMT
If the clubs owners have refused to pay until now then it's disgraceful. However that's a big IF, they may have no idea of the situation at hand and if they were aware in house then it would never become public knowledge.
Away from the situation I do feel the club should be aiming to do more for the Women's team and the aim should be to be one of the leading in the country. I see no reason why that isn't possible. The likely reason is the money spent won't receive enough return which isn't really a suitable answer.
Without having much knowledge on the situation, how much really would it take for a structure with facilities to be proud of would it realistically take? From someone who doesn't take enjoyment from watching Women's football, I would love to see the club put genuine effort into getting talented women and young ladies into the club and showing aspirations.
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Post by independent on Apr 17, 2024 17:23:16 GMT
Why will no one even suggest how much money they think that Stoke should put into the Ladies team? Because it’s a ridiculous question.My answer One billion dollars *puts little finger to mouth* No it isn't ridiculous to ask how much STOKE CITY should invest in their Ladies team, as it diverts money from the Mens team. The fact that we have wasted money over the years is immaterial. Regarding Bristol City, they should be an inspiration to other similar sized clubs as they play all their home games at Ashton Gate, and if they can get an average gate of 7,000 then surely others can do likewise. Perhaps the likes of Everton and West Ham should study their model.
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Post by gawa on Apr 17, 2024 17:43:26 GMT
Not sure why she should be entitled to private surgery simply for being a female footballer for stoke. She's playing in the third teir in front of an average crowd of 250.
The reason it happens at the upper levels of men's football is because its a much more professional and attracts millions in revenue.
Should men in non league playing in front of crowds of 200 also have all injuries looked after privately? If not, why the exception here?
Tbh it's more of an indictment on the absolute state of our NHS than anything else. Nobody should be waiting months for surgery, not just women playing in front of small crowds.
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 17, 2024 17:46:58 GMT
Because it’s a ridiculous question.My answer One billion dollars *puts little finger to mouth* No it isn't ridiculous to ask how much STOKE CITY should invest in their Ladies team, as it diverts money from the Mens team. The fact that we have wasted money over the years is immaterial. Regarding Bristol City, they should be an inspiration to other similar sized clubs as they play all their home games at Ashton Gate, and if they can get an average gate of 7,000 then surely others can do likewise. Perhaps the likes of Everton and West Ham should study their model. Eh? What money would they be “diverting”? The owners have far more money than they could even hope to spend on the men’s team
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 17, 2024 17:57:15 GMT
Because it’s a ridiculous question.My answer One billion dollars *puts little finger to mouth* No it isn't ridiculous to ask how much STOKE CITY should invest in their Ladies team, as it diverts money from the Mens team. The fact that we have wasted money over the years is immaterial. Regarding Bristol City, they should be an inspiration to other similar sized clubs as they play all their home games at Ashton Gate, and if they can get an average gate of 7,000 then surely others can do likewise. Perhaps the likes of Everton and West Ham should study their model. Does it divert money from the men’s team? Is it included in FFP? Genuinely don’t know.
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Post by lordb on Apr 17, 2024 18:13:43 GMT
Because it’s a ridiculous question.My answer One billion dollars *puts little finger to mouth* No it isn't ridiculous to ask how much STOKE CITY should invest in their Ladies team, as it diverts money from the Mens team. The fact that we have wasted money over the years is immaterial. Regarding Bristol City, they should be an inspiration to other similar sized clubs as they play all their home games at Ashton Gate, and if they can get an average gate of 7,000 then surely others can do likewise. Perhaps the likes of Everton and West Ham should study their model. It doesn't divert a penny investment in the women's team does not impact FFP (I believe) Given £billions the Coates have its not an issue in that regard
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Post by mrrine on Apr 17, 2024 18:49:33 GMT
Whilst I don't really engage with women's football at all - this seems clear-cut to me.
The club can and should afford medical care for their squad regardless of gender or age.
What exactly are they gaining by hanging someone out to dry? How much of an impact would it make on the overall books exactly?
Whilst not being au fait with the particulars in this case, I'm fairly sure this player could reduce those costs by at least £10k and that, to Stoke, is absolutely nothing.
I'd be interested to understand how it *ISN'T* in the Club's interest to look after their players (especially if you consider the cost of some of the routine Nuffield scans.)
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Post by independent on Apr 17, 2024 18:55:02 GMT
I asked how much money STOKE CITY not the Coates should invest in the Ladies team. Have none of you heard of FFP. The Coates have already shown on a number of occasions that they have no interest in a Ladies team. Their lack of knowledge of the Ground condition the Ladies played on and their ignorance of the injured player surely demonstrate that. The fact that they have loads of money does not oblige them to spend it on other peoples pet projects. As I understand it, the GOFundMe page has raised £10,000 so if everyone who attends our next home game donated 50p then that would do the job, or is that too much to ask?
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Post by smiler_andy on Apr 17, 2024 19:28:02 GMT
The way mens football is organised and controlled in this country means the chance of any club like Leicester winning the Premier League again is next to nil. Which means for Stoke it is next to nil. As a kid you always dreamed that your club could could win the league or a cup. Nowadays that has been taken away from us. I don't watch WSL as it is controlled by the same top 6 as the so called mens league. Man Utd women professional side only happened in 2018. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023–24_Women%27s_Super_LeagueAs far as Stoke City Women I thought with the club going semi-professional and bringing them under the umbrella of the club things may start to improve. I guessed it was more of a gesture when a short while ago it was announced that at the training complex the first team would soon be having there separate building. The academy and women would stay in the same building on the face of it it sounds a great idea. The message I picked up on was men over there and women and kids over there. To be honest I burst out laughing when it was announced because it sends out message we are not serious about Womens football. As far as I know I have subscribed to everything concerning Stoke Womens team apart from twitter which I don't have. To be honest I can't remember hearing much or anything if that. Why we only get 250 attend SCFC Womens game is because we are not serious about it and most people in Stoke know that. I started to follow NWSL (USA) this season following Utah Royals (new team). The main owners are the same people who own Utah Jazz(Basketball) and Real Salt Lake (MSL). The difference in approach to how Womens clubs are run now has changed a lot. Utah Royals are having equal standard training facilities compared to mens team theathletic.com/5003190/2023/10/26/utah-royals-unveil-expansion-remodel-plans-for-multi-million-dollar-training-facility/ This week they bought a top player from New Zealand for over $100,000. You can watch all the games live online for free I know it is early morning for most games or catch up on games. I have been impressed with the quality of play, but also commitment and passion. Some owners are not affiliated to mens team and one Kansas City Current built a Womens specific stadium of 11,500 this year which has sold out each game. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_National_Women%27s_Soccer_League_seasonWomen are approx 50% of the population earning a lot more money than they were 30-40 years ago and with Lionesses being so high profile. The money clubs are investing in Womens football for the long haul and money. Concerning Stoke City Women who come under the Stoke City umbrella of football teams. Would it be possible to win WSL it would be an easier win compared with SCFC trying to win Premier League mens football. The thing is the owners are not serious about Womens football it is not what you say it is what you do that matters.
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Post by a on Apr 17, 2024 19:28:49 GMT
What crowds do our women's team get? 20k to an amateur women's footballer. We aren't a charity. Regardless of how much Money we have. Not many and they pay next to nothing to try to entice people to go.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 17, 2024 19:30:36 GMT
Not sure why she should be entitled to private surgery simply for being a female footballer for stoke. She's playing in the third teir in front of an average crowd of 250. The reason it happens at the upper levels of men's football is because its a much more professional and attracts millions in revenue. Should men in non league playing in front of crowds of 200 also have all injuries looked after privately? If not, why the exception here? Tbh it's more of an indictment on the absolute state of our NHS than anything else. Nobody should be waiting months for surgery, not just women playing in front of small crowds. What would happen to a 16 year old boy in the youth set up just out of interest if they had a similar injury, would they be treated immediately or tossed on the scrap heap whilst having to fund their own surgery? They play in front of a couple of dozen sets of parents and are too young to have signed a professional contract……
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Post by independent on Apr 17, 2024 19:59:17 GMT
Not sure why she should be entitled to private surgery simply for being a female footballer for stoke. She's playing in the third teir in front of an average crowd of 250. The reason it happens at the upper levels of men's football is because its a much more professional and attracts millions in revenue. Should men in non league playing in front of crowds of 200 also have all injuries looked after privately? If not, why the exception here? Tbh it's more of an indictment on the absolute state of our NHS than anything else. Nobody should be waiting months for surgery, not just women playing in front of small crowds. What would happen to a 16 year old boy in the youth set up just out of interest if they had a similar injury, would they be treated immediately or tossed on the scrap heap whilst having to fund their own surgery? They play in front of a couple of dozen sets of parents and are too young to have signed a professional contract…… That would depend on whether he was any good and whether the club thought he would benefit them in the future. Despite all the Hype, Womens Football is beginning to look more and more like Athletics. Big numbers for the Olympics and no money being generated by the Sport otherwise. There is very little interest anywhere in Europe and if England play their cards right they could dominate the big trophies for years to come. How much money do you think Stoke women generate in a season. I would be very surprised if it would come to £20,000.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 17, 2024 20:03:50 GMT
I asked how much money STOKE CITY not the Coates should invest in the Ladies team. Have none of you heard of FFP. The Coates have already shown on a number of occasions that they have no interest in a Ladies team. Their lack of knowledge of the Ground condition the Ladies played on and their ignorance of the injured player surely demonstrate that. The fact that they have loads of money does not oblige them to spend it on other peoples pet projects. As I understand it, the GOFundMe page has raised £10,000 so if everyone who attends our next home game donated 50p then that would do the job, or is that too much to ask? If it doesn’t affect ffp they should try their best to make the women’s section one of the best in the country. Like they should with the academy. I genuinely don’t think there is a reason for them not to strive for either.
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 17, 2024 20:16:46 GMT
This is not a debate about the value of women's football. It doesn't matter how much you care about it or whether the crowds are 30 or 30 thousand - these are contracted athletes officially representing an elite professional sports club, I can't get my head round how anyone might think it's ok that they have to pick up their own medical bills after getting injured while playing. It's mental.
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Post by a on Apr 17, 2024 20:19:34 GMT
This is not a debate about the value of women's football. It doesn't matter how much you care about it or whether the crowds are 30 or 30 thousand - these are contracted athletes officially representing an elite professional sports club, I can't get my head round how anyone might think it's ok that they have to pick up their own medical bills after getting injured while playing. It's mental. I have no idea how it works, whether the club should insure them, they insure themselves or the club pay for treatment or if it’s up to the NHS. I’d expect the club to sort it out and put measures in place for any unfortunate events like this in the future.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 17, 2024 20:19:59 GMT
This is not a debate about the value of women's football. It doesn't matter how much you care about it or whether the crowds are 30 or 30 thousand - these are contracted athletes officially representing an elite professional sports club, I can't get my head round how anyone might think it's ok that they have to pick up their own medical bills after getting injured while playing. It's mental. The cult.
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 17, 2024 20:27:35 GMT
This is not a debate about the value of women's football. It doesn't matter how much you care about it or whether the crowds are 30 or 30 thousand - these are contracted athletes officially representing an elite professional sports club, I can't get my head round how anyone might think it's ok that they have to pick up their own medical bills after getting injured while playing. It's mental. I have no idea how it works, whether the club should insure them, they insure themselves or the club pay for treatment or if it’s up to the NHS. I’d expect the club to sort it out and put measures in place for any unfortunate events like this in the future. As I said earlier, within the sporting director's remit surely... urgent review incoming? Are you there SJW?
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Post by chad on Apr 17, 2024 20:33:37 GMT
Why will no one even suggest how much money they think that Stoke should put into the Ladies team? I’ll suggest exactly how much money we should put into it NOWT
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Post by smiler_andy on Apr 17, 2024 20:52:11 GMT
Concerning FFP in the women's game it only comes up when you get into WSL at the moment. There is less regulations according to this article. Man Utd of all teams want more regulations so that a small number of clubs don't dominate the league . www.90min.com/posts/what-are-ffp-rules-womens-football#
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Post by gawa on Apr 17, 2024 22:05:21 GMT
Not sure why she should be entitled to private surgery simply for being a female footballer for stoke. She's playing in the third teir in front of an average crowd of 250. The reason it happens at the upper levels of men's football is because its a much more professional and attracts millions in revenue. Should men in non league playing in front of crowds of 200 also have all injuries looked after privately? If not, why the exception here? Tbh it's more of an indictment on the absolute state of our NHS than anything else. Nobody should be waiting months for surgery, not just women playing in front of small crowds. What would happen to a 16 year old boy in the youth set up just out of interest if they had a similar injury, would they be treated immediately or tossed on the scrap heap whilst having to fund their own surgery? They play in front of a couple of dozen sets of parents and are too young to have signed a professional contract…… When I played boys football you'd be taken by ambulance to the hospital and deal with the NHS. This isn't an argument we should be having. It shouldn't be an argument about a part time employee deserving private health care because their employers are wealthy. It should be about the NHS being properly funded so that these sort of surgery's don't have 6 month + waits. For instance there are clubs like Brighouse Town playing in the same division as Stoke Ladies. This clubs couldn't possibly afford to pay 20k for surgeries at that level, it just doesn't happen. And if this was about them I don't think anyone would be arguing that they should fork that out as it would put the club under. In stokes case you can make an argument from the angle of the owners having so much money. But if it was about a Loughborough Lightning, AFC Flyde, Boldmere St Michael's, Stourbridge or Brighouse Town you wouldn't be saying it because you know financially it isn't feasible or sustainable. And these are all clubs stoke have been up against in last couple of seasons. Albeit biasely picking the lesser known sides.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 17, 2024 22:22:58 GMT
What would happen to a 16 year old boy in the youth set up just out of interest if they had a similar injury, would they be treated immediately or tossed on the scrap heap whilst having to fund their own surgery? They play in front of a couple of dozen sets of parents and are too young to have signed a professional contract…… When I played boys football you'd be taken by ambulance to the hospital and deal with the NHS. This isn't an argument we should be having. It shouldn't be an argument about a part time employee deserving private health care because their employers are wealthy. It should be about the NHS being properly funded so that these sort of surgery's don't have 6 month + waits. For instance there are clubs like Brighouse Town playing in the same division as Stoke Ladies. This clubs couldn't possibly afford to pay 20k for surgeries at that level, it just doesn't happen. And if this was about them I don't think anyone would be arguing that they should fork that out as it would put the club under. In stokes case you can make an argument from the angle of the owners having so much money. But if it was about a Loughborough Lightning, AFC Flyde, Boldmere St Michael's, Stourbridge or Brighouse Town you wouldn't be saying it because you know financially it isn't feasible or sustainable. And these are all clubs stoke have been up against in last couple of seasons. Albeit biasely picking the lesser known sides. I can't imagine a 16 year old Tezgel or Sidibe would have had their parents waiting in A&E for 8 hours in a queue to be treated if they'd suffered a serious injury. I'm not sure Boldemere St Michael's or Brighouse Town have made grand claims about having the ambition and roadmap to get promotion into the Championship and beyond, improve funding and infrastructure and inspire the next generation of girls in Stoke-on-Trent have they? We're either serious about the women's team or we're not, because quite frankly at the moment they could probably rebrand themselves as Norton Utd, get themselves a local business to chuck them a few quid and be no worse off........
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Post by gawa on Apr 17, 2024 22:25:47 GMT
This is not a debate about the value of women's football. It doesn't matter how much you care about it or whether the crowds are 30 or 30 thousand - these are contracted athletes officially representing an elite professional sports club, I can't get my head round how anyone might think it's ok that they have to pick up their own medical bills after getting injured while playing. It's mental. They've only been semi professional for a year. I just think there are 2 different lenses and angles to look at it: 1. Should a sports club owned by billionaires be playing for private surgery for any playing personnel at all levels because they can afford it? 2. Should a women's football team which has just turned semi pro and gets crowds of 250 be entitled to private health care provided by the club? Stoke being rich is unique in this scenario as there are many other clubs competing with them which aren't so wealthy or well known. So if you are just looking at this particular instance from lens 1 then yes fair you can make an argument but it only applies because of the owners wealth. Looking at it through the lens of point 2 gives a slightly different perspective where I think many people would agree that this shouldn't be a given as it simply isnt financially frasible for clubs competing at this level.* There's a reason why sports insurance exist and I imagine many female colleagues and male counterparts playing semi pro probably already have it where they don't have the luxury of representing a club which can cover them themselves. I understand why those looking through lens 1 come to their conclusions and if I just looked at it through this perspective I'd agree. But when you look at point 2 into account you can see why for other clubs it just isn't financially viable and it's only being discussed because of stokes owners wealth. Something which is unrelated to the revenue generated from the women's team. * Plus the more people using private health care the more it fucks the rest of us. As the same MHS doctor you've been waiting 6 months to do your surgery will be using some of their working time to do surgery for the person going private jumping to the front of the queue. It only cuts waiting lists for the rich and shouldn't be normalised.
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Post by gawa on Apr 17, 2024 22:27:16 GMT
When I played boys football you'd be taken by ambulance to the hospital and deal with the NHS. This isn't an argument we should be having. It shouldn't be an argument about a part time employee deserving private health care because their employers are wealthy. It should be about the NHS being properly funded so that these sort of surgery's don't have 6 month + waits. For instance there are clubs like Brighouse Town playing in the same division as Stoke Ladies. This clubs couldn't possibly afford to pay 20k for surgeries at that level, it just doesn't happen. And if this was about them I don't think anyone would be arguing that they should fork that out as it would put the club under. In stokes case you can make an argument from the angle of the owners having so much money. But if it was about a Loughborough Lightning, AFC Flyde, Boldmere St Michael's, Stourbridge or Brighouse Town you wouldn't be saying it because you know financially it isn't feasible or sustainable. And these are all clubs stoke have been up against in last couple of seasons. Albeit biasely picking the lesser known sides. I can't imagine a 16 year old Tezgel or Sidibe would have had their parents waiting in A&E for 8 hours in a queue to be treated if they'd suffered a serious injury. I'm not sure Boldemere St Michael's or Brighouse Town have made grand claims about having the ambition and roadmap to get promotion into the Championship and beyond, improve funding and infrastructure and inspire the next generation of girls in Stoke-on-Trent have they? We're either serious about the women's team or we're not, because quite frankly at the moment they could probably rebrand themselves as Norton Utd, get themselves a local business to chuck them a few quid and be no worse off........ If they were born 15 years earlier they wouldn't have an 8 hour queue to begin with.
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 17, 2024 22:50:28 GMT
This is not a debate about the value of women's football. It doesn't matter how much you care about it or whether the crowds are 30 or 30 thousand - these are contracted athletes officially representing an elite professional sports club, I can't get my head round how anyone might think it's ok that they have to pick up their own medical bills after getting injured while playing. It's mental. They've only been semi professional for a year. I just think there are 2 different lenses and angles to look at it: 1. Should a sports club owned by billionaires be playing for private surgery for any playing personnel at all levels because they can afford it? 2. Should a women's football team which has just turned semi pro and gets crowds of 250 be entitled to private health care provided by the club? Stoke being rich is unique in this scenario as there are many other clubs competing with them which aren't so wealthy or well known. So if you are just looking at this particular instance from lens 1 then yes fair you can make an argument but it only applies because of the owners wealth. Looking at it through the lens of point 2 gives a slightly different perspective where I think many people would agree that this shouldn't be a given as it simply isnt financially frasible for clubs competing at this level.* There's a reason why sports insurance exist and I imagine many female colleagues and male counterparts playing semi pro probably already have it where they don't have the luxury of representing a club which can cover them themselves. I understand why those looking through lens 1 come to their conclusions and if I just looked at it through this perspective I'd agree. But when you look at point 2 into account you can see why for other clubs it just isn't financially viable and it's only being discussed because of stokes owners wealth. Something which is unrelated to the revenue generated from the women's team. * Plus the more people using private health care the more it fucks the rest of us. As the same MHS doctor you've been waiting 6 months to do your surgery will be using some of their working time to do surgery for the person going private jumping to the front of the queue. It only cuts waiting lists for the rich and shouldn't be normalised. I mean the answer to both questions is resoundingly yes. A professional sports club that can’t organise itself to adequately insure its players probably shouldn’t be running the team in the first place. And it would be a pathetic excuse for any team in the top two divisions to plead poverty on the issue.
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Post by stoke1989 on Apr 17, 2024 22:51:55 GMT
If a lad from scfc community trust program does something similar would Stoke City be expected to pay again, after all he's a part of the club?
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Post by blackpoolred on Apr 17, 2024 23:17:44 GMT
Average wage in the ladies prem last year was just over £40k a year, compared to 60k a week for the men's prem.
Women's footie is now getting regular coverage on Sky, BBC and the Champions League is becoming a big lucrative event. Chelski are in the Semi-Finals of the CL and the money for reaching the semi-final will easily cover their wage bill alone.
The top teams are getting a few games in the main stadiums and Arsenal, for instance, have filled the emirates.
The top women's teams with revenue from tele, relatively low wage bill and especially those who finish in the top 4 and have a crack at Europe will be making a profit(unlike the men) - especially now with attendances also rising for most of the teams
If Stoke were to go full-time professional and offer a 25 player squad a living wage - say 30k a year - that would cost £750,000, which if they were playing in the prem would get back off TV coverage alone, even before attendances, All money invested in the women's team gets written off against FFP.
Stoke are tier 3 at the moment and so with little revenue coming in apart from attendances the club would have to probably invest a few million quid to get to the prem, once reached they could quite easily be making a profit and pretty sure a tribal town like Stoke would get behind their team should they get to an FA cup final at Wembley.
Villa, Leicester and Birmingham have all been knocking around the prem for a while, so once again looks like we are miles behind the curve - unless we are now considered a second tier midlands club, we know the men are, but for a little investment the women don't have to be.
JW is supposed to be across the club from top to bottom so be interesting to see what he proposes, he seemed quite keen on getting the women's team up and running and mentioned them in his recent interview.
Why not throw a few million quid at it and give it a go, with the money the Coaates family have it would not be impossible to compete at the very top level of the game in England and Europe, for the women, and in doing so could stand to make a profit at the same time
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Post by smiler_andy on Apr 17, 2024 23:26:09 GMT
SCFC Ambitions and plans for Womens Team mentions on the video at 2min sports science, nutrition, medical, player development etc
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Post by independent on Apr 18, 2024 1:57:12 GMT
Average wage in the ladies prem last year was just over £40k a year, compared to 60k a week for the men's prem. Women's footie is now getting regular coverage on Sky, BBC and the Champions League is becoming a big lucrative event. Chelski are in the Semi-Finals of the CL and the money for reaching the semi-final will easily cover their wage bill alone. The top teams are getting a few games in the main stadiums and Arsenal, for instance, have filled the emirates. The top women's teams with revenue from tele, relatively low wage bill and especially those who finish in the top 4 and have a crack at Europe will be making a profit(unlike the men) - especially now with attendances also rising for most of the teams If Stoke were to go full-time professional and offer a 25 player squad a living wage - say 30k a year - that would cost £750,000, which if they were playing in the prem would get back off TV coverage alone, even before attendances, All money invested in the women's team gets written off against FFP. Stoke are tier 3 at the moment and so with little revenue coming in apart from attendances the club would have to probably invest a few million quid to get to the prem, once reached they could quite easily be making a profit and pretty sure a tribal town like Stoke would get behind their team should they get to an FA cup final at Wembley. Villa, Leicester and Birmingham have all been knocking around the prem for a while, so once again looks like we are miles behind the curve - unless we are now considered a second tier midlands club, we know the men are, but for a little investment the women don't have to be. JW is supposed to be across the club from top to bottom so be interesting to see what he proposes, he seemed quite keen on getting the women's team up and running and mentioned them in his recent interview. Why not throw a few million quid at it and give it a go, with the money the Coaates family have it would not be impossible to compete at the very top level of the game in England and Europe, for the women, and in doing so could stand to make a profit at the same time A lot of this seems to be just fantasy. The TV deal with Sky and BBC (which is the biggest in Europe) brings in £8m a year £2m of that goes to the Chanpionship leaving £500,000 for each of the 12 WSL clubs. Yes Arsenal filled the Emirates.Sun Mar 3 '24: Arsenal 1 Tottenham 0, Att.60,050 Emirates Stadium.Ticket prices were £4.69 to £7.69. No mention of how many free tickets were given away. Birminghams opening game of the season had 351 people watching the game. Attendances in the Championship are almost always below 1000 with a few hundred quite common. Arsenal's wage bill in 21/22 season was £4.3m, giving an average figure of £98,000 across 44 playing and non-playing staff. I imagine it is even higher now. If the average wage in the WSL is £40k a year then some clubs must be paying buttons, as The big 3/4 would have bigger playing staffs on the highest wages. Even if EUFA are massively subsidising the Champions League, which is possible, I find it hard to believe that reaching a semi final would on it's own pay Chelsea's wage bill. Juventus for example normally attract about 500 fans to their home games.
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Post by smiler_andy on Apr 18, 2024 14:33:37 GMT
Average wage in the ladies prem last year was just over £40k a year, compared to 60k a week for the men's prem. Women's footie is now getting regular coverage on Sky, BBC and the Champions League is becoming a big lucrative event. Chelski are in the Semi-Finals of the CL and the money for reaching the semi-final will easily cover their wage bill alone. The top teams are getting a few games in the main stadiums and Arsenal, for instance, have filled the emirates. The top women's teams with revenue from tele, relatively low wage bill and especially those who finish in the top 4 and have a crack at Europe will be making a profit(unlike the men) - especially now with attendances also rising for most of the teams If Stoke were to go full-time professional and offer a 25 player squad a living wage - say 30k a year - that would cost £750,000, which if they were playing in the prem would get back off TV coverage alone, even before attendances, All money invested in the women's team gets written off against FFP. Stoke are tier 3 at the moment and so with little revenue coming in apart from attendances the club would have to probably invest a few million quid to get to the prem, once reached they could quite easily be making a profit and pretty sure a tribal town like Stoke would get behind their team should they get to an FA cup final at Wembley. Villa, Leicester and Birmingham have all been knocking around the prem for a while, so once again looks like we are miles behind the curve - unless we are now considered a second tier midlands club, we know the men are, but for a little investment the women don't have to be. JW is supposed to be across the club from top to bottom so be interesting to see what he proposes, he seemed quite keen on getting the women's team up and running and mentioned them in his recent interview. Why not throw a few million quid at it and give it a go, with the money the Coaates family have it would not be impossible to compete at the very top level of the game in England and Europe, for the women, and in doing so could stand to make a profit at the same time A lot of this seems to be just fantasy. The TV deal with Sky and BBC (which is the biggest in Europe) brings in £8m a year £2m of that goes to the Chanpionship leaving £500,000 for each of the 12 WSL clubs. Yes Arsenal filled the Emirates.Sun Mar 3 '24: Arsenal 1 Tottenham 0, Att.60,050 Emirates Stadium.Ticket prices were £4.69 to £7.69. No mention of how many free tickets were given away. Birminghams opening game of the season had 351 people watching the game. Attendances in the Championship are almost always below 1000 with a few hundred quite common. Arsenal's wage bill in 21/22 season was £4.3m, giving an average figure of £98,000 across 44 playing and non-playing staff. I imagine it is even higher now. If the average wage in the WSL is £40k a year then some clubs must be paying buttons, as The big 3/4 would have bigger playing staffs on the highest wages. Even if EUFA are massively subsidising the Champions League, which is possible, I find it hard to believe that reaching a semi final would on it's own pay Chelsea's wage bill. Juventus for example normally attract about 500 fans to their home games. One of the biggest problems is a lot of teams look at the Womens game as an add on and don't take it seriously. The owner of Arsenal men and Womens team is Stan Kroenke who owns a number of sports teams including MLS, NFL & NHL. So they know what it takes to fill stadiums or sports arenas. Arsenal Women will eventually play all their games at the Emirates. 60,000 people in a stadium paying only a few quid still buy a lot of food and merchandise. The mens game in the UK has been going for over hundred years with most teams of a similar age and have been in communities and peoples lives for decades . Expecting the women's game especially in places like Stoke to attract crowds in the thousands is not going to happen without investment, promotion and commitment. The owners at Stoke don't seem committed with women's football. The problems at Norton in the past. The Lioness game at Stoke where the transport arrangements left families and kids missing the game, then the fiasco of medical treatment of players when they mentioned in the YouTube video of commitments about sports science, nutrition and medical etc. Concerning Juventus Women they play in a stadium at training facilities of capacity 500 apart from important matches like European games when they switch to main stadium. Owners of multiple sports teams know how to fill stadiums and tend to look at things long term. Most English team owners don't seem to have that mindset they tend to think womens football is an add on. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stan_Kroenke. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsenal_W.F.C. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juventus_FC_(women)#
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