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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 16, 2024 21:48:43 GMT
Saw some stats the other day saying the amount of ACL injuries in the womens game being significantly higher than the mens game, why is this the case? Physiology of women different? Physical demands? In this case, is it because contractually she is a semi-professional player and it would be similar for a semi-pro male? It's because they have smaller feet Makes it difficult to get to the kitchen sink too. Double jeopardy😉
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Post by Marc01 on Apr 16, 2024 21:52:55 GMT
That reflects so badly on Stoke City FC.…
Considering the millions we have paid in transfer fees, agents fees, signing on fees and wages to (too) many millionaire professional players who have contributed next to nothing in recent years…
Cannot agree with anyone who represents Stoke City, at any level, being left in the lurch / suffering physical and financial hardship as a result of an injury while representing the club.
If we don’t want to look after any particular class of players then don’t have a team for them.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 16, 2024 21:55:25 GMT
Play on much inferior pitches? Potentially, more games on artificial surface perhaps too. In our case the pitch at Emery Stadium / Norton is excellent as our ground staff maintain it. Slightly separate topic but could be relevant, I think the sport would be more entertaining on a similar sized pitch / goals for their athletic ability. Could this be an impact? Not sure Really? They’ve had so many game called off.
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Post by bunnyscfc on Apr 16, 2024 22:09:27 GMT
Play on much inferior pitches? Potentially, more games on artificial surface perhaps too. In our case the pitch at Emery Stadium / Norton is excellent as our ground staff maintain it. Slightly separate topic but could be relevant, I think the sport would be more entertaining on a similar sized pitch / goals for their athletic ability. Could this be an impact? Not sure Another game at Norton called off tonight. Really isn’t good enough, as pointed out by the National media last year
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Post by LphPotter on Apr 16, 2024 22:21:40 GMT
That’s not the women’s branch of the men’s club is it? They’re separate, however this sort of thing is common in the women’s game for many clubs unfortunately. Surely now the issue has been raised they will pay for it, what’s 20k to them?
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Post by LphPotter on Apr 16, 2024 22:24:54 GMT
This on the face of it seems absolute scandalous from the club? it’s the same for any semi professional footballers , they normally take insurance out to cover such injuries It is but usually that’s due to the semi pro clubs not being able to cover the cost, our owners can easily and it wouldn’t even be a drop in the ocean to them. Why wouldn’t they? I wouldn’t be surprised if they didn’t know the full story but now it’s been raised, if they still don’t pay for it then it’s a poor look.
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Post by bhp on Apr 16, 2024 22:56:47 GMT
Potentially, more games on artificial surface perhaps too. In our case the pitch at Emery Stadium / Norton is excellent as our ground staff maintain it. Slightly separate topic but could be relevant, I think the sport would be more entertaining on a similar sized pitch / goals for their athletic ability. Could this be an impact? Not sure Another game at Norton called off tonight. Really isn’t good enough, as pointed out by the National media last year Wouldn't have helped with a downpour an hour before the game. A lot of U18/21 games have been called at CW this winter. Been a wet one even league clubs are only catching up
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 16, 2024 23:01:22 GMT
That’s pathetic.
But no fear, I presume our all-new shiny sporting director with a notable history of involvement in the PFA, contracts and players’ rights will be all over this? I’m a little surprised he isn’t already…
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Apr 17, 2024 0:31:53 GMT
Good luck to Angela in any future ventures. The thread that was started about her a couple of years back was arguably the lowest point of this boards existence........... I've not seen it but a thread against her sounds disgraceful. She speaks so much sense and as such, resonates with so many fans. She states what most reasonable fans are thinking and Stoke fans should be concerned by this latest news.
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Post by independent on Apr 17, 2024 1:34:08 GMT
That reflects so badly on Stoke City FC.… Considering the millions we have paid in transfer fees, agents fees, signing on fees and wages to (too) many millionaire professional players who have contributed next to nothing in recent years… Cannot agree with anyone who represents Stoke City, at any level, being left in the lurch / suffering physical and financial hardship as a result of an injury while representing the club. If we don’t want to look after any particular class of players then don’t have a team for them.I agree. I'm sure ,now that it has been brought to their attention,that she will be looked after. The owners have never shown any interest in the ladies team and were almost shamed into giving them £500,000 a year. Some posters on here are very much in favour of the Ladies team, but judging by the attendances at their games,they are finding it hard to build a support base.The same could be said about the vast majority of teams in the leagues above them. I was reading a Spanish World cup winner's interview the other day and she was saying that they had hoped that their success would have ignited interest in the game in Spain. Unfortunately it has made no difference.
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Post by theonlooker on Apr 17, 2024 5:19:39 GMT
Maybe the club should do the honourable thing now that Martin has left the building, and reinstate Angela to help with the ladies team once again?
I'm sure with her knowledge of top level sport and contacts within local and national sport that she could help to get things moving for our injured ladies, and more?
Just a thought if anyone from Stoke is reading this?
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Post by Gods on Apr 17, 2024 6:22:11 GMT
Maybe the club should do the honourable thing now that Martin has left the building, and reinstate Angela to help with the ladies team once again? I'm sure with her knowledge of top level sport and contacts within local and national sport that she could help to get things moving for our injured ladies, and more? Just a thought if anyone from Stoke is reading this? I do agree, she seemed to be yet more collateral damage from the now deposed R.Martin's crazed clear out.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 17, 2024 6:27:04 GMT
That reflects so badly on Stoke City FC.… Considering the millions we have paid in transfer fees, agents fees, signing on fees and wages to (too) many millionaire professional players who have contributed next to nothing in recent years… Cannot agree with anyone who represents Stoke City, at any level, being left in the lurch / suffering physical and financial hardship as a result of an injury while representing the club. If we don’t want to look after any particular class of players then don’t have a team for them.I agree. I'm sure ,now that it has been brought to their attention,that she will be looked after. The owners have never shown any interest in the ladies team and were almost shamed into giving them £500,000 a year. Some posters on here are very much in favour of the Ladies team, but judging by the attendances at their games,they are finding it hard to build a support base.The same could be said about the vast majority of teams in the leagues above them. I was reading a Spanish World cup winner's interview the other day and she was saying that they had hoped that their success would have ignited interest in the game in Spain. Unfortunately it has made no difference. Crowds are up 8% in Spain, 14% in France. Not headline making particularly but if they can grow their fan bases year on year that bodes well for the future still……
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Post by noustie on Apr 17, 2024 6:31:39 GMT
That’s wank Stoke - it would cost the square route of fuck all to add your women’s and girls teams to the insurance.
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Post by frasier37 on Apr 17, 2024 6:57:28 GMT
Sadly it's the same in a lot of women's football
Still, makes you wonder what our owners really think of women's football and its players wellbeing.
As has been said earlier, hopefully twitter momentum will shame them into looking after the players better
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Post by nottsover60 on Apr 17, 2024 8:36:04 GMT
About semi professional men's non league football but seems to be a common problem. Surely the suggestion that it should be mandatory for a club which employs semi pros to take out a medical insurance policy to cover those players is a good one.
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Post by Squeekster on Apr 17, 2024 8:39:41 GMT
If it's run on a semi professional basis wouldn't the players be aware that things like insurance are up to them? when I played and run teams we had to take out insurance for certain things and quite a few took out personal injury insurance out just in case.
It's okay to lambast the club about this but how much do we about the funding structure and what it's for, in the beginning they were separate entities and they would often have collections on matchdays with buckets for funding.
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Post by nottsover60 on Apr 17, 2024 8:44:14 GMT
If it's run on a semi professional basis wouldn't the players be aware that things like insurance are up to them? when I played and run teams we had to take out insurance for certain things and quite a few took out personal injury insurance out just in case. It's okay to lambast the club about this but how much do we about the funding structure and what it's for, in the beginning they were separate entities and they would often have collections on matchdays with buckets for funding. Personal private health insurance is not cheap on the wages these players earn but a group policy wouldn't cost clubs like Stoke a huge amount. It may be difficult in the non league but if you couldn't afford it as a club perhaps you shouldn't be employing semi pros. EDIT My husband informs me it is now compulsory in men's non league to take out medical insurance for your semi pros. Surely that should be the same in women's football?
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Post by thornestein on Apr 17, 2024 8:45:17 GMT
If it's run on a semi professional basis wouldn't the players be aware that things like insurance are up to them? when I played and run teams we had to take out insurance for certain things and quite a few took out personal injury insurance out just in case. It's okay to lambast the club about this but how much do we about the funding structure and what it's for, in the beginning they were separate entities and they would often have collections on matchdays with buckets for funding. correct , it’s down to the player and they will know that , but ppl like to beat the club over nothing
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Post by nottsover60 on Apr 17, 2024 8:48:44 GMT
If it's run on a semi professional basis wouldn't the players be aware that things like insurance are up to them? when I played and run teams we had to take out insurance for certain things and quite a few took out personal injury insurance out just in case. It's okay to lambast the club about this but how much do we about the funding structure and what it's for, in the beginning they were separate entities and they would often have collections on matchdays with buckets for funding. correct , it’s down to the player and they will know that , but ppl like to beat the club over nothing See my post above, not for men, it is mandatory for the club to take out insurance.
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Post by thornestein on Apr 17, 2024 8:49:57 GMT
correct , it’s down to the player and they will know that , but ppl like to beat the club over nothing See my post above, not for men, it is mandatory for the club to take out insurance. that must be a new thing as it never used to be
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 17, 2024 8:50:35 GMT
If it's run on a semi professional basis wouldn't the players be aware that things like insurance are up to them? when I played and run teams we had to take out insurance for certain things and quite a few took out personal injury insurance out just in case. It's okay to lambast the club about this but how much do we about the funding structure and what it's for, in the beginning they were separate entities and they would often have collections on matchdays with buckets for funding. correct , it’s down to the player and they will know that , but ppl like to beat the club over nothing It shouldn't be down to the players though that's the point. The owners either need to run the women's team properly or wind it up and stop pretending they give a shit, and let those involved find clubs with owners that do. But whatever people's thoughts on the women's game are, the Coates family could fund a really successful WSL team for a relative pittance that would be great for all aspiring female footballers in the area and leave a great legacy once they've gone..........
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Post by thornestein on Apr 17, 2024 8:51:50 GMT
correct , it’s down to the player and they will know that , but ppl like to beat the club over nothing It shouldn't be down to the players though that's the point. The owners either need to run the women's team properly or wind it up and stop pretending they give a shit. But whatever people's thoughts on the women's game are, the Coates family could fund a really successful WSL team for a relative pittance that would be great for all aspiring female footballers in the area and leave a great legacy once they've gone.......... then make them professional would be the answer
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Post by nottsover60 on Apr 17, 2024 8:59:09 GMT
See my post above, not for men, it is mandatory for the club to take out insurance. that must be a new thing as it never used to be Yep he says it is recent and I don't know how far down it goes but he had to set it up at Mickleover in the Southern Premier Central a couple of years ago and believe me if Mickleover can afford it on crowds of 200/300 and no TV money then Stoke and other women's teams can.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Apr 17, 2024 9:05:49 GMT
Beg to differ I see nothing that suggest we are better only rose coloured specs sees these players as improvements , results certainly don’t I ain't got rose tinted specs seen enough of stoke over 50 odd years seen lots of shit this isn't good either far from it but the players are the best bunch we've had since relegation my opinion of course.. Yep don't disagree with that We still need 3 or 4 in, a few out but so does any club in this league in reality. With Campbell, Wesley, a couple more and a few loans coming to their end we have plenty of room to do so.
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Post by Bera’s Beano on Apr 17, 2024 9:13:05 GMT
I totally agree. If it was a player in the mens team they wouldn't expect him to pay from his own pocket. They are either serious about the women's team or they aren't. Thankfully it’s gaining some traction on Twitter so they should be shamed into doing it. Makes you wonder what goes through their fucking heads at times. The club took the women's team into the fold of the club officially, took in all of the plaudits for being progressive and doing the right thing. Taking the positives from it. Once thats the case though, you can't have all of that without then looking after your playing staff, which they now are. I don't care for women's football really, doesn't entertain me but I believe it should have every chance the men's game has had previously and it will improve. This is awful from the club, even if they have no legal obligation to do so, by paying for it, the player would be putting out a post about how well they are taken care of and amazing the club is, £20,000 purely as a PR exercise would have been cheaper than they probably usually pay for a 10 second advert. Morally, its proper shithouse from the club in general, not necessarily the owners who may not have actually heard about it I guess.
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Post by s7oke on Apr 17, 2024 9:15:12 GMT
Saw some stats the other day saying the amount of ACL injuries in the womens game being significantly higher than the mens game, why is this the case? Physiology of women different? Physical demands? In this case, is it because contractually she is a semi-professional player and it would be similar for a semi-pro male? It’s to do with the shape of the woman’s foot and the shape of a boot apparently Women need different shaped boot Something like that anyway No sarcastic comments
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Post by s7oke on Apr 17, 2024 9:16:02 GMT
Have the owners been informed about state of her injury? Have they refused to pay? It doesn't really tell the full story. Exactly
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Post by Squeekster on Apr 17, 2024 9:16:42 GMT
If it's run on a semi professional basis wouldn't the players be aware that things like insurance are up to them? when I played and run teams we had to take out insurance for certain things and quite a few took out personal injury insurance out just in case. It's okay to lambast the club about this but how much do we about the funding structure and what it's for, in the beginning they were separate entities and they would often have collections on matchdays with buckets for funding. Personal private health insurance is not cheap on the wages these players earn but a group policy wouldn't cost clubs like Stoke a huge amount. It may be difficult in the non league but if you couldn't afford it as a club perhaps you shouldn't be employing semi pros. EDIT My husband informs me it is now compulsory in men's non league to take out medical insurance for your semi pros. Surely that should be the same in women's football? There will be an insurance policy in place that's for sure but it will only cover the basics, all teams from under 8's all through grass roots have to have insurance, I'm just saying we don't know what exactly is Stoke city's involvement is.
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Post by s7oke on Apr 17, 2024 9:18:43 GMT
Off the field Stoke City have done many many excellent things in the past and of late. They've frozen ticket prices again (17th year!!) Free away travel Building a fan zone Moving the away fans Supporters involved in designing the kit The list goes on They are not going g to get everything correct nor do everything that is universally popular, so with that I'm mind I won't join in knocking the club that does a lot more good than bad Well said !!!
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