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Post by hoppo96 on Apr 17, 2024 12:34:21 GMT
some people on here think the women should be eternally grateful to even get a chance of having a kickaround in the red and white stripes... she was wearing our colours when she got injured we should have a responsibility for her. That's a difference discussion to whether you don't watch women's football, or whatever.
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Post by LGH87 on Apr 17, 2024 12:35:53 GMT
AFter the awful PR disaster of the national media exposing the weaknesses of SCFC's women's structure last year, you would expect absolutely every single micro-detail to be in place, and money spent accordingly to do this. Indeed, we aren't talking a substantial amount. Where they play and if they are medically covered are surely two huge questions that would have been sorted straight away? Most of the women's squad live a fair distance away, so its staggering that cover isn't provided along with a raft of other logistical offerings? From what I'm reading, seems like the medical cover or lack of should I say, is common within the women's game at this level. Where they play is a joke but is being addressed isn't it? albeit should've probably happened by now as it was 12 months ago when the Norton issues went viral.
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Post by hoppo96 on Apr 17, 2024 12:36:03 GMT
Imagine a prospective talented girl seeing this though - do you think she'll sign for us or a rival? "We are semi-pro, but we play at a joke of a stadium and you're not covered medically" isn't a great advertisement. I'll be honest, when I signed my lad's academy forms, I didn't even look at insurance as it's expected, surely? I think the club's attitude, and probably supported by a fair few on here is that the women's game is a waste of time and the club should get rid, but it's very bad pr to scrap a women's team in 2024. Personally, I'd rather us do everywhere we can to make it a good part of the club.
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Post by LGH87 on Apr 17, 2024 12:37:29 GMT
some people on here think the women should be eternally grateful to even get a chance of having a kickaround in the red and white stripes... she was wearing our colours when she got injured we should have a responsibility for her. That's a difference discussion to whether you don't watch women's football, or whatever. Rightly or wrongly, it seems it's an issue throughout women's football though, not just Stoke. From what I can see, clubs at that level don't cover players.
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Post by Eggybread on Apr 17, 2024 13:13:35 GMT
Pay up Stoke ffs.
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 17, 2024 13:23:27 GMT
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Post by frasier37 on Apr 17, 2024 13:23:55 GMT
some people on here think the women should be eternally grateful to even get a chance of having a kickaround in the red and white stripes... she was wearing our colours when she got injured we should have a responsibility for her. That's a difference discussion to whether you don't watch women's football, or whatever. Rightly or wrongly, it seems it's an issue throughout women's football though, not just Stoke. From what I can see, clubs at that level don't cover players. All clubs don't cover away transport...but it's a great gesture. How about the important stuff?
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Post by Eggybread on Apr 17, 2024 13:30:09 GMT
Shamed into paying up
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Post by bhp on Apr 17, 2024 13:32:34 GMT
Wouldn't have helped with a downpour an hour before the game. A lot of U18/21 games have been called at CW this winter. Been a wet one even league clubs are only catching up Just why are academy games being played at a ground that is pretty awful? Why not have it at CW or on the astro at CW? Maybe play it at a local non-league ground that has 3G or a school or college with 3G, guaranteeing the game. Any number of games have been called off at Norton in the last few months - it simply is not fit for purpose for a professional football club. CW, especially mid week, unfortunately doesn't have the capacity to handle many teams. 2 floodlit pitches, 1 used usually each night of the week for academy and women training. Main pitch reserved for 18s and some cup games for 14s+ and is susceptible to weather. Women similar on a Sunday, by time academy teams have cleared from morning fixtures the logistics are difficult to accommodate the usual 2pm kick off. The U21's had issues with the pitches at Nantwich & Newcastle in previous seasons, now they have to go 30 mile down the A50 which has solved the issue. Unless a facility has 3 floodlit pitches, ideally 2 being artificial, able to host spectators, which I imagine is the case for the women team, no wonder other facilities have to be used.
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Post by bunnyscfc on Apr 17, 2024 13:41:35 GMT
Just why are academy games being played at a ground that is pretty awful? Why not have it at CW or on the astro at CW? Maybe play it at a local non-league ground that has 3G or a school or college with 3G, guaranteeing the game. Any number of games have been called off at Norton in the last few months - it simply is not fit for purpose for a professional football club. CW, especially mid week, unfortunately doesn't have the capacity to handle many teams. 2 floodlit pitches, 1 used usually each night of the week for academy and women training. Main pitch reserved for 18s and some cup games for 14s+ and is susceptible to weather. Women similar on a Sunday, by time academy teams have cleared from morning fixtures the logistics are difficult to accommodate the usual 2pm kick off. The U21's had issues with the pitches at Nantwich & Newcastle in previous seasons, now they have to go 30 mile down the A50 which has solved the issue. Unless a facility has 3 floodlit pitches, ideally 2 being artificial, able to host spectators, which I imagine is the case for the women team, no wonder other facilities have to be used. Yes, no wonder. The wonder is why it's Norton Utd?
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Post by stokesaint1 on Apr 17, 2024 13:43:27 GMT
In the very early 70's I was on the board of Bursough Fc and it was mandatory for semi professional clubs, even at that North West Counties level, to have insurance for all players, even those being paid just travelling expenses. Money was always tight at that level but player insurance was one of the things that we always ensured was covered as a priority. For Stoke City, allegedly, not to be doing this 50 years on for a team playing,under their stewardship, is an absolute outrage. I do not for one minute believe that Stoke will not do the right thing and help get this lady sorted and supported. Even a bucket collection at the next two home games would help considerably, if the ladies team could organise it.
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Post by LGH87 on Apr 17, 2024 13:50:31 GMT
In the very early 70's I was on the board of Bursough Fc and it was mandatory for semi professional clubs, even at that North West Counties level, to have insurance for all players, even those being paid just travelling expenses. Money was always tight at that level but player insurance was one of the things that we always ensured was covered as a priority. For Stoke City, allegedly, not to be doing this 50 years on for a team playing,under their stewardship, is an absolute outrage. I do not for one minute believe that Stoke will not do the right thing and help get this lady sorted and supported. Even a bucket collection at the next two home games would help considerably, if the ladies team could organise it. It's been announced they're going to cover her costs
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Post by LGH87 on Apr 17, 2024 13:51:17 GMT
What happens to the £10k that's in her gofundme page?
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Apr 17, 2024 13:51:54 GMT
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Post by frasier37 on Apr 17, 2024 13:59:46 GMT
What happens to the £10k that's in her gofundme page? There matching it to cover so I've heard....should be for the whole squad not one because they're ashamed
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 17, 2024 14:36:56 GMT
What happens to the £10k that's in her gofundme page? I'm more than happy for her to spend my £20 on a couple of beers and a kebab.......
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Post by independent on Apr 17, 2024 14:45:51 GMT
AFter the awful PR disaster of the national media exposing the weaknesses of SCFC's women's structure last year, you would expect absolutely every single micro-detail to be in place, and money spent accordingly to do this. Indeed, we aren't talking a substantial amount. Where they play and if they are medically covered are surely two huge questions that would have been sorted straight away? Most of the women's squad live a fair distance away, so its staggering that cover isn't provided along with a raft of other logistical offerings?Are there no local women capable of playing in the league that we compete in? Seriously, how much money do you think Stoke should invest in their Ladies team? Let's say Stoke decided to put £3m a year into the team, do you think that that would be fair to the other clubs in our league? Or does fairness/equality not matter. A raft of other logistical offerings, I presume all these cost money. I believe that they are getting gates of 200 which is a 100% increase from last year. At that rate Stoke are paying £2,500 a year or £50 each week of the year (whether there is a game or not) to provide each supporter with a game to watch. How much do you think Stoke should provide?
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Post by stokesaint1 on Apr 17, 2024 14:49:24 GMT
In the very early 70's I was on the board of Bursough Fc and it was mandatory for semi professional clubs, even at that North West Counties level, to have insurance for all players, even those being paid just travelling expenses. Money was always tight at that level but player insurance was one of the things that we always ensured was covered as a priority. For Stoke City, allegedly, not to be doing this 50 years on for a team playing,under their stewardship, is an absolute outrage. I do not for one minute believe that Stoke will not do the right thing and help get this lady sorted and supported. Even a bucket collection at the next two home games would help considerably, if the ladies team could organise it. It's been announced they're going to cover her costs Good to hear and, as I said, i didn’t think Stoke would not do the right thing. However I don't see the point of your insult to me?
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Post by Bera’s Beano on Apr 17, 2024 14:58:06 GMT
It's been announced they're going to cover her costs Good to hear and, as I said, i didn’t think Stoke would not do the right thing. However I don't see the point of your insult to me? Right thing for the wrong reasons. Still gets her the treatment thankfully, still shows how shit the club is sometimes.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 17, 2024 15:04:07 GMT
AFter the awful PR disaster of the national media exposing the weaknesses of SCFC's women's structure last year, you would expect absolutely every single micro-detail to be in place, and money spent accordingly to do this. Indeed, we aren't talking a substantial amount. Where they play and if they are medically covered are surely two huge questions that would have been sorted straight away? Most of the women's squad live a fair distance away, so its staggering that cover isn't provided along with a raft of other logistical offerings?Are there no local women capable of playing in the league that we compete in? Seriously, how much money do you think Stoke should invest in their Ladies team? Let's say Stoke decided to put £3m a year into the team, do you think that that would be fair to the other clubs in our league? Or does fairness/equality not matter. A raft of other logistical offerings, I presume all these cost money. I believe that they are getting gates of 200 which is a 100% increase from last year. At that rate Stoke are paying £2,500 a year or £50 each week of the year (whether there is a game or not) to provide each supporter with a game to watch. How much do you think Stoke should provide? If value for money was the only criteria the Coates family would have walked away from the club years ago, we haemorrhage money..........
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Post by independent on Apr 17, 2024 15:18:11 GMT
Are there no local women capable of playing in the league that we compete in? Seriously, how much money do you think Stoke should invest in their Ladies team? Let's say Stoke decided to put £3m a year into the team, do you think that that would be fair to the other clubs in our league? Or does fairness/equality not matter. A raft of other logistical offerings, I presume all these cost money. I believe that they are getting gates of 200 which is a 100% increase from last year. At that rate Stoke are paying £2,500 a year or £50 each week of the year (whether there is a game or not) to provide each supporter with a game to watch. How much do you think Stoke should provide? If value for money was the only criteria the Coates family would have walked away from the club years ago, we haemorrhage money.......... Seriously, how much money do you think Stoke should invest in their Ladies team? The Coates family can spend their money as they see fit. After all it is their money. Some people seem to think that they should be embarassed into providing funding for other peoples wishlists. I didn't mention value for money, merely asked how much they should be expected to provide.
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Post by frasier37 on Apr 17, 2024 15:35:54 GMT
If value for money was the only criteria the Coates family would have walked away from the club years ago, we haemorrhage money.......... Seriously, how much money do you think Stoke should invest in their Ladies team? The Coates family can spend their money as they see fit. After all it is their money. Some people seem to think that they should be embarassed into providing funding for other peoples wishlists. I didn't mention value for money, merely asked how much they should be expected to provide. Thought it was John's wish list. Ricky's statement ... "Joint Chairman John Coates said: “The changes we are announcing today have been in the planning for a number of months and International Women’s Day was the perfect opportunity to finally make this announcement. "The changes represent a highly significant uplift in the funding of the women’s team with improvements to infrastructure and support. We believe these changes will give the women’s team the necessary investment to achieve sustainable success, starting with promotion to the Championship.” Technical Director Ricky Martin added: “It is an exciting time for women’s and girls’ football in this country and we have a clear roadmap of where we want to take our women’s team. “Our owners share that vision and I have no doubt that their financial commitment will provide us with a solid foundation to achieve our ambitions, both in the short and long-term.”
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Post by thisisouryear on Apr 17, 2024 15:40:11 GMT
We should be doing everything possible to help the Women's game grow. It will gain it's own audience long term and the quality will continue to improve which will help it become even bigger. The more it is pushed and advertised the more interest will grow.
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Post by noustie on Apr 17, 2024 15:50:24 GMT
Build the best women's academy in the country whilst spending a relative pittance to get up the leagues.
Say for argument sake Bet365 went 'we'll sponsor the women £5m a year like the blokes' they'd fund a shit hot academy and have change to work their way up the leagues. Once that started churning talent out, if the game grows, they could find themselves miles ahead of the curve - almost like that time a provincial bookie took a punt on an online platform.
What about too if they spunked a fortune at the start on getting something state of the art like including a pitch to play on and then loaned it to the u21s for a relative pittance too to help the blokes youth teams? Be a pretty sexy way of getting around FFP.
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Post by hoppo96 on Apr 17, 2024 15:51:01 GMT
reading some of the replies you'd think they'd be asked to randomly hand over £20k to somebody, talking about somebody wearing SCFC getting a nasty injury and requiring operation an *because* they were playing for Stoke. Didn't fall down the stairs or anything.
more than anything it's just not a good look.
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Post by independent on Apr 17, 2024 15:56:48 GMT
Why will no one even suggest how much money they think that Stoke should put into the Ladies team?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 17, 2024 15:59:44 GMT
If value for money was the only criteria the Coates family would have walked away from the club years ago, we haemorrhage money.......... Seriously, how much money do you think Stoke should invest in their Ladies team? The Coates family can spend their money as they see fit. After all it is their money. Some people seem to think that they should be embarassed into providing funding for other peoples wishlists. I didn't mention value for money, merely asked how much they should be expected to provide. Enough to compete with the likes of Bristol City who despite sitting bottom of this seasons WSL average over 7,000 and are a club on the up. Along with a load of clubs knocking on the WSL door like Charlton, Sunderland, Birmingham and Blackburn.......
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Post by noustie on Apr 17, 2024 16:17:55 GMT
Seriously, how much money do you think Stoke should invest in their Ladies team? The Coates family can spend their money as they see fit. After all it is their money. Some people seem to think that they should be embarassed into providing funding for other peoples wishlists. I didn't mention value for money, merely asked how much they should be expected to provide. Enough to compete with the likes of Bristol City who despite sitting bottom of this seasons WSL average over 7,000 and are a club on the up. Along with a load of clubs knocking on the WSL door like Charlton, Sunderland, Birmingham and Blackburn....... I'd spend a fuck ton so we're all on here in 20 years time moaning about the plastic fans rocking up to get a selfie eating an Oatcake watching Stoke women in the champions league and how the club sold it's soul to tourists.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 17, 2024 16:51:12 GMT
Why will no one even suggest how much money they think that Stoke should put into the Ladies team? Because it’s a ridiculous question. My answer One billion dollars *puts little finger to mouth*
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Apr 17, 2024 16:58:06 GMT
Build the best women's academy in the country whilst spending a relative pittance to get up the leagues. Say for argument sake Bet365 went 'we'll sponsor the women £5m a year like the blokes' they'd fund a shit hot academy and have change to work their way up the leagues. Once that started churning talent out, if the game grows, they could find themselves miles ahead of the curve - almost like that time a provincial bookie took a punt on an online platform. What about too if they spunked a fortune at the start on getting something state of the art like including a pitch to play on and then loaned it to the u21s for a relative pittance too to help the blokes youth teams? Be a pretty sexy way of getting around FFP. I don't think training ground/stadium improvements count towards FFP? But yeah, I agree. The club should've been doing this years ago (and I was saying as much). As shown with the men's team, money isn't everything, but a relative pittance compared to that would've given the women's team a brilliant chance of being at the top end of the WSL by now. It's still not too late.
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