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Post by fca47 on Nov 30, 2023 9:23:04 GMT
Would have to know what the alternative is before I answer. Not impressed by what I've seen so far. Can't see much point in changing now as the season is a write off
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Post by likemondays on Nov 30, 2023 9:40:15 GMT
Hearing Rory as a caretaker been discussed
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Post by flea79 on Nov 30, 2023 9:42:54 GMT
Hearing Rory as a caretaker been discussed absolute piffle
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Post by crowey on Nov 30, 2023 10:06:38 GMT
Hearing Rory as a caretaker been discussed 🤣
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Post by Veritas on Nov 30, 2023 10:25:58 GMT
Hearing Rory as a caretaker been discussed No you haven't unless it is by that old guy in the corner of the pub who sits muttering to himself.
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Post by mondeoman on Nov 30, 2023 10:26:01 GMT
Can't be bothered to vote, I'm just fed up with him and his team.
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Post by keasie1863 on Nov 30, 2023 10:59:45 GMT
Hes just got to fucking go had enough it's soul destroying.
OUT
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 30, 2023 11:01:22 GMT
I'm not going to be screaming "Neil out" just yet, but if he was sacked I wouldn't bat an eyelid. That's where I'm at with it............
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Post by stiggerstackle on Nov 30, 2023 11:15:33 GMT
Would have to know what the alternative is before I answer. Not impressed by what I've seen so far. Can't see much point in changing now as the season is a write off It's so depressing though - how many more fucking seasons do we have to write-off pre Christmas?!?
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Post by mr on Nov 30, 2023 11:31:52 GMT
Would have to know what the alternative is before I answer. Not impressed by what I've seen so far. Can't see much point in changing now as the season is a write off It’s the elephant in the room. If we did get rid of him who honestly thinks they’ll bring in someone better. Out of the last few appointments I’d only say Michael O’Neill improved us. It wouldn’t surprise me if we ended up with Nigel Pearson and I can’t see many of us being happy with that. That being said, our recruitment this summer was wildly different than anything we’ve ever seen so I’d hope that we’d have a manager lined up that is data driven to go along with the squad.
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Post by pretzel on Nov 30, 2023 12:26:59 GMT
Hearing Rory as a caretaker been discussed Bremner? We don't need anyone else doing an impersonation of a manager thank you very much.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2023 13:03:42 GMT
Waddo and Pulis took over sides in absolute crisis a them promoted in 3 and 2 years. Anyone who thinks this charlatan can get us promoted in the next 150 years is a deluded idiot!! Pulis had three seasons before Boskamp and two after when he achieved promotion. Waddo took three years. Remind me how long AN has been here again? Not that I think he'll do it, but it's hard to be labeled successful when compared to two legends when you've been here 16 months. Let's discuss what he's doing and not rather than talking about successes from 20-50 years ago. But Waddo knew how he wanted to play from the off and what sort of players he would need to get in ,to play that way . It took time to get them in, and he didn't get everyone he wanted ( Osgood?) . He did well anyway. If he had got them all in , we would have won trophies or gone very close Likewise TP , he knew exactly why he wanted akinbyi, Whelan , Walters ...to play Pulis ball. He knew how he wanted to play ...it just took a while to get the players in to fit the plan . And like waddo he was close but couldn't get over the line some of the players he wanted AN has no idea how he wants to play . Their are no patterns of play ...we don't have two banks of four...or anything else. Their is no system. Their is no plan. Even MoN would have worked out better , if he could have had Tymon and junior as wing backs and they had a hit the ground running. AN isn't even MoN , he doesn't even know what he is trying to achieve, and not even Jared can recruit for that .
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Post by idle on Nov 30, 2023 16:43:06 GMT
Pulis had three seasons before Boskamp and two after when he achieved promotion. Waddo took three years. Remind me how long AN has been here again? Not that I think he'll do it, but it's hard to be labeled successful when compared to two legends when you've been here 16 months. Let's discuss what he's doing and not rather than talking about successes from 20-50 years ago. But Waddo knew how he wanted to play from the off and what sort of players he would need to get in ,to play that way . It took time to get them in, and he didn't get everyone he wanted ( Osgood?) . He did well anyway. If he had got them all in , we would have won trophies or gone very close Likewise TP , he knew exactly why he wanted akinbyi, Whelan , Walters ...to play Pulis ball. He knew how he wanted to play ...it just took a while to get the players in to fit the plan . And like waddo he was close but couldn't get over the line some of the players he wanted AN has no idea how he wants to play . Their are no patterns of play ...we don't have two banks of four...or anything else. Their is no system. Their is no plan. Even MoN would have worked out better , if he could have had Tymon and junior as wing backs and they had a hit the ground running. AN isn't even MoN , he doesn't even know what he is trying to achieve, and not even Jared can recruit for that . Hahaha, I remember plenty saying TP will never succeed or amount to anything. I was one of them. The binary season was utterly utterly horrible, with no seeming progress. At all. Shut me up nicely though. But the rest I kinda agree on, that's why I said we should discuss what he's actually doing, not comparing him to the two greatest successes we've ever had. That's the definition of cherry picking. We've had plenty of dour, two banks of four, defensive, organized managers. You might remember that Rowett was one of them. And don't even bring up MoN here, he recruited for a different way of playing while insisting we should play with wingbacks without having a single fit one. And he signed Gayle. That alone was a horrible end to his admittedly ok reign.
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Post by thisisouryear on Nov 30, 2023 17:13:05 GMT
Alex Neil was hired as a step up from MON and he's a step or 2 back. MON could get results with crap players, Neil is struggling with half decent players.
A foreign manager could do well with this squad. We need a Spanish, Portuguese or Dutch coach who is attack minded and has links to some top clubs in Europe. I don't think that's too much to ask for.
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Post by neddy on Nov 30, 2023 17:24:03 GMT
Alex Neil was hired as a step up from MON and he's a step or 2 back. MON could get results with crap players, Neil is struggling with half decent players. A foreign manager could do well with this squad. We need a Spanish, Portuguese or Dutch coach who is attack minded and has links to some top clubs in Europe. I don't think that's too much to ask for. Boskamp?
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Post by RF10 on Nov 30, 2023 19:51:18 GMT
I'm not going to be screaming "Neil out" just yet, but if he was sacked I wouldn't bat an eyelid. That's where I'm at with it............ This is where I stand. Despite him completely throwing the game away on Tuesday and the inept display last Sat he's just about got some more time given how he has shown we can perform. He's absolutely got to pick up 6 points from next 3 games with potential 4 depending on the manner of performance. After that I'd give him till Boxing Day as the stick or twist. Going forward it's difficult to speculate too far a field with the policy Coates seems to go down. Would we allow Ryan to be given opportunity as Caretaker or is it too soon?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 30, 2023 19:55:56 GMT
At the start of the season many posters were of the opinion that AN should be given until the end of the year (at least) to 'gel' the team and nail down his first choice 11. We're fast approaching that time now and even as someone who isn't in favour of changing managers I'm slowly becoming disillusioned with some of his decision making. Particularly his choice of starting 11. However, I'm not going to retract or go back on what I thought was a sensible and fair amount of time to give him at the start of the season. I don't think he should be sacked just yet, but will deffo be more open to it if we're languishing near the bottom of the table at the end of December, having continued to drop many more points. Looking at the season so far I'd hope and expect to be within 6 points of the play offs by Jan 1st. That’s pretty fair and I’d hope that most supporters would agree roughly with what you say. HUGE 3 games coming up though and any less than 4 points I reckon he’s toast
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 30, 2023 19:57:08 GMT
Would have to know what the alternative is before I answer. Not impressed by what I've seen so far. Can't see much point in changing now as the season is a write off The season most certainly isn’t a write off if action is taken. The timing is key though
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Post by gingerninja on Nov 30, 2023 20:15:40 GMT
One thing for sure, with every poor performance and potential defeats, the pressure gets ramped up on him..
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Post by march4 on Nov 30, 2023 21:26:04 GMT
We cannot keep changing managers - that has been at the root of our issues. Waddo and TP took years to sort things out. Your man is sadly finished here, March. In his first 64 games, his win ratio is almost the same as TP and much better than Waddo. He is only just starting.
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Post by smallthorner on Nov 30, 2023 21:26:39 GMT
I'm not going to be screaming "Neil out" just yet, but if he was sacked I wouldn't bat an eyelid. That's where I'm at with it............ This is where I stand. Despite him completely throwing the game away on Tuesday and the inept display last Sat he's just about got some more time given how he has shown we can perform. He's absolutely got to pick up 6 points from next 3 games with potential 4 depending on the manner of performance. After that I'd give him till Boxing Day as the stick or twist. Going forward it's difficult to speculate too far a field with the policy Coates seems to go down. Would we allow Ryan to be given opportunity as Caretaker or is it too soon? Coates Junior has backed him. Hook line and sinker. There is no way that AN will be sacked this season. Relax. We may well be in the play-off shout come the time given some luck and a decent window.
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Post by march4 on Nov 30, 2023 21:29:42 GMT
This is where I stand. Despite him completely throwing the game away on Tuesday and the inept display last Sat he's just about got some more time given how he has shown we can perform. He's absolutely got to pick up 6 points from next 3 games with potential 4 depending on the manner of performance. After that I'd give him till Boxing Day as the stick or twist. Going forward it's difficult to speculate too far a field with the policy Coates seems to go down. Would we allow Ryan to be given opportunity as Caretaker or is it too soon? Coates Junior has backed him. Hook line and sinker. There is no way that AN will be sacked this season. Relax. We may well be in the play-off shout come the time given some luck and a decent window. Exactly. They know TP and Waddo made similar starts and will be more than patient.
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Post by gingerninja on Nov 30, 2023 21:36:14 GMT
They might be, but anymore limp home defeats and they may have no choice in the matter.
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Post by somersetstokie on Nov 30, 2023 21:39:10 GMT
I wouldn't be rushing to axe Alex, as there are no obvious available candidates to replace him.
But I really think that he needs to show somehow that he has the ideas and imagination to take us forward, otherwise we are heading for a probable change in January.
For the monent he's in.
Edit: I am however actively looking for book makers odds on the next guy to take over for a turn at Stoke being named Buggins.
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Post by stokeson on Nov 30, 2023 21:49:16 GMT
This is where I stand. Despite him completely throwing the game away on Tuesday and the inept display last Sat he's just about got some more time given how he has shown we can perform. He's absolutely got to pick up 6 points from next 3 games with potential 4 depending on the manner of performance. After that I'd give him till Boxing Day as the stick or twist. Going forward it's difficult to speculate too far a field with the policy Coates seems to go down. Would we allow Ryan to be given opportunity as Caretaker or is it too soon? Coates Junior has backed him. Hook line and sinker. There is no way that AN will be sacked this season. Relax. We may well be in the play-off shout come the time given some luck and a decent window. And we may well be in a relegation fight with a few injuries and suspensions we keep picking up......
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Post by march4 on Nov 30, 2023 22:14:35 GMT
They might be, but anymore limp home defeats and they may have no choice in the matter. They are known for their patience.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 30, 2023 22:19:09 GMT
It’s about the most overwhelming poll I’ve seen when they’ve been done.
Poor old Alex….not
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Post by RF10 on Nov 30, 2023 22:47:07 GMT
This is where I stand. Despite him completely throwing the game away on Tuesday and the inept display last Sat he's just about got some more time given how he has shown we can perform. He's absolutely got to pick up 6 points from next 3 games with potential 4 depending on the manner of performance. After that I'd give him till Boxing Day as the stick or twist. Going forward it's difficult to speculate too far a field with the policy Coates seems to go down. Would we allow Ryan to be given opportunity as Caretaker or is it too soon? Coates Junior has backed him. Hook line and sinker. There is no way that AN will be sacked this season. Relax. We may well be in the play-off shout come the time given some luck and a decent window. They backed Rowett with one of the biggest budgets a Championship club has seen. It's a results business. If things continue the way they are he will be gone. I desperately want him to succeed however my faith is diminishing.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Nov 30, 2023 22:49:19 GMT
The owners need to start making it clear that we just won't accept shit standards. Like coming back from a nice holiday and producing two pathetic defeats that ruin the season.
In future, if a manager produces a succession of shit performances, sack them.
No manager and his staff should be coming here anymore thinking they've got at least a year to fuck about.
Set the standards from the top, let manager and players know what is expected here.
Also, interview people who've got good coaching experience, regardless of where they're from, who are looking to make a name as a manager. Look for innovation, new ideas, hunger and desire, not an old name who's been around the block.
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Post by tuum on Dec 1, 2023 6:16:37 GMT
Coates Junior has backed him. Hook line and sinker. There is no way that AN will be sacked this season. Relax. We may well be in the play-off shout come the time given some luck and a decent window. They backed Rowett with one of the biggest budgets a Championship club has seen. It's a results business. If things continue the way they are he will be gone. I desperately want him to succeed however my faith is diminishing. I don't think they sacked Rowett solely on the basis of results. I believe they sacked him because he had lost the fans. Once that happens it is a long slog to turn them round. I think the Coates'are ok with AN for the moment. They may sit up and take notice if the fans start to turn on him. So far, that has not really happened barring a few boos at the end of games where we have been shit!
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