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Post by robrigo on Nov 29, 2023 11:10:41 GMT
Out. And out today.
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Nov 29, 2023 11:21:32 GMT
Some of the problems we have are; who do you replace him with? Do you wait until January? Who is out there that is any better that would realistically take the job? Who would come and work with the current backroom staff? Lets be brutally honest about this, would you want Wilder - Mr 5 at the back and watch his dull football, we don't have the players at the club to play his preferred system, John Eustace, did a decent job and unfairly sacked at Brum but is he going to take us forward or will he be AN MK2 in which case why change? I can't see JC looking abroad and Graham Potter wouldn't come here. Gouranga.
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Nov 29, 2023 12:14:04 GMT
I'm on the fence but edging towards weilding the axe, and I've backed him to the hilt so far. My toys came out of the pram after the Hull match, and again at the weekend.
I'm not seeing any improvement in our ability to score goals, despite Alex Neil saying he's not concerned about our abaility to score.
I think plenty of managers get more out of this squad by having a go and not worrying about the opposition, who in this league are mostly shite.
Are we heading back to square one for the fifth time in six years? At least this time there is something to work with in the squad.
I don't think we'll pull the trigger but you couldn't really argue if we did.
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Post by spiderpuss on Nov 29, 2023 12:26:54 GMT
Out for me, I don't need to see any more of Alex's football.
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Post by FullerMagic on Nov 29, 2023 12:35:50 GMT
Do we assume that if Neil departs, Tricky and Jared would remain - an it'd just be Canning and Gallagher who'd be going with him?
That was certainly what Coates seemed to be hinting at, and seems logical.
"Alex has his direct team, who work for him - everyone else is a club appointment who'll be here for a long time"
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Post by gingerninja on Nov 29, 2023 12:42:21 GMT
I bloody hope so, do we ven know pre Sunderland result and the mini rally, if we were seriously considering other people and moving him on, I think Percy possibly hinted at something?.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Nov 29, 2023 12:47:46 GMT
Even Denise has votes "OUT" and she dunna like football..... Allegedly!!! 🤔
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Post by musik on Nov 29, 2023 12:48:32 GMT
Out
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Post by noustie on Nov 29, 2023 12:52:33 GMT
For me they either have to keep him and commit in January even if it is still a shit show or fuck him off pronto so the new manager gets January.
Suspect we'll keep him until near the end of the January window or just after it shuts before finally pulling the trigger which'll be no use to nobody.
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 29, 2023 12:53:36 GMT
I've posted repeatedly: give him till December.The club should install a replacement before the transfer window, not after or during.
If they haven't already got someone lined up (all well managed businesses have succession plans) then they need to identify someone pdq. If we drop any further, no decent manager is going to join the club and risk his reputation.
If they don't act now, there is a distinct danger of following so many other former top division sides down into tier 3.
Even with a mistake riddled defence and lack of a goal scorer, I still think we have the most talented squad since relegation, and they have a genuine desire to perform well, but this manager has clearly shown he can't get them to gel.
He who hesitates is lost.
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Post by spiderpuss on Nov 29, 2023 12:59:50 GMT
For me they either have to keep him and commit in January even if it is still a shit show or fuck him off pronto so the new manager gets January. Suspect we'll keep him until near the end of the January window or just after it shuts before finally pulling the trigger which'll be no use to nobody. You'd imagine the Wednesday game will be key. Anything other than a win and I'll wager that it will be difficult for the board not to act.
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Post by chumley on Nov 29, 2023 13:03:42 GMT
Out only if he takes Hoever with him....Realistically he has to stay til January and if we haven't got to top 10 then any realistic chances of Play offs are gone so may as well prepare for next season with either Potter or John Eustace in charge.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Nov 29, 2023 13:03:46 GMT
He is not going anywhere.
8 points clear of relegation and 9 short of the play offs. We are destined for a mid-table finish so there will be no pressure for him to be sacked unless we get sucked towards the bottom three.
The owners are going to give AN a prolonged period of time because they see this is a long term plan. I guess there argument would be that we are only a couple of wins away from being thrust back into play off contention due to how tight this league is.
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Post by LGH87 on Nov 29, 2023 13:08:52 GMT
He is not going anywhere. 8 points clear of relegation and 9 short of the play offs. We are destined for a mid-table finish so there will be no pressure for him to be sacked unless we get sucked towards the bottom three. The owners are going to give AN a prolonged period of time because they see this is a long term plan. I guess there argument would be that we are only a couple of wins away from being thrust back into play off contention due to how tight this league is. I thought this too but if he loses the fans any more than he already has, the board will be forced to act.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Nov 29, 2023 13:14:45 GMT
He is not going anywhere. 8 points clear of relegation and 9 short of the play offs. We are destined for a mid-table finish so there will be no pressure for him to be sacked unless we get sucked towards the bottom three. The owners are going to give AN a prolonged period of time because they see this is a long term plan. I guess there argument would be that we are only a couple of wins away from being thrust back into play off contention due to how tight this league is. I thought this too but if he loses the fans any more than he already has, the board will be forced to act. The thing is that we are probably going to have a mixed run of results between now and the New Year. A few wins, a few draws, a few defeats. If we are stranded in mid-table with no real threat of relegation (and a tiny glimmer of hope for the play offs) then it is unlikely that there will be a major turn amongst supporters. I think most match going fans are just apathetic rather than mutinous at the moment (although that might just represent the people that sit around me?).
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Post by Block 26 on Nov 29, 2023 13:27:18 GMT
He lost me after the Hull game. Stood on the touch line with his arms crossed watching us get outplayed on home soil & had no idea whatsoever how to change it.
I never wanted him in the first place & was underwhelmed when we appointed him. I still backed him up until that game & just hoped that he would get it right & prove me wrong.
He actually has a lot of good attacking players at his disposal but again, has no idea how to use them.
It must be tough coming to Stoke as a manager as everything about the club is so laid back. which is bound to sink into the players & their mentality. Every referee in the division seems to have it in for us so we’re basically playing against 12 men every game.
However, for me all that AN needed to do was show some sort of game plan/direction in which we’re aiming to go & I would have been fully behind it.
Going back to my old point though… the club is so laid back that he won’t be going anywhere anytime soon.
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Post by gingerninja on Nov 29, 2023 13:29:43 GMT
Dean Smith wouldn't be a disaster, his team's play good football and he has had less blips on his CV than most. Not hugely charasmstic, but do we really care as long as we are competitive and play good football?.
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Post by skip on Nov 29, 2023 13:37:07 GMT
He is not going anywhere. 8 points clear of relegation and 9 short of the play offs. We are destined for a mid-table finish so there will be no pressure for him to be sacked unless we get sucked towards the bottom three. The owners are going to give AN a prolonged period of time because they see this is a long term plan. I guess there argument would be that we are only a couple of wins away from being thrust back into play off contention due to how tight this league is. When the league is this tight, relegation is equally as plausible as a tilt at the playoffs, particularly if we lose at home to Sheff Wed. If that happens and they keep him on, we will be visiting League One away grounds next season.
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Post by leicspotter on Nov 29, 2023 13:39:57 GMT
I hate chopping and changing managers, and, like PC, want to give the manager time to make his mark, with the players that suit his style.
However, it really is difficult to see where AN is trying to take us:
Playing out from the back with 2 cumbersome and error prone CB's makes no sense
Playing out of form players, such as Hoever, Johnson and Gayle is plain insanity
Constantly chopping and changing the forward line is madness
So, on the basis that AN is totally off his rocker...I'm 'out' albeit reluctantly
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Post by trincostokie on Nov 29, 2023 13:49:47 GMT
Last night changed nothing - all about the ref. He should be given the rest of this season to establish some sort of forward momentum and consistency. Re-assess then. He's won 18 from 58 in the league. What makes you think he will be able to suddenly establish some sort of forward momentum and consistency? The ref was awful yes but we led the game 2-1 despite his wank decisions. What actually cost us the game was AN's fucking awful subs. To be honest, I'm surprised his win percentage (31%) is that "high"...it certainly feels much grimmer
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Post by thornestein on Nov 29, 2023 13:53:59 GMT
He is not going anywhere. 8 points clear of relegation and 9 short of the play offs. We are destined for a mid-table finish so there will be no pressure for him to be sacked unless we get sucked towards the bottom three. The owners are going to give AN a prolonged period of time because they see this is a long term plan. I guess there argument would be that we are only a couple of wins away from being thrust back into play off contention due to how tight this league is. hes lost the vast majority of fans now , that plus is inane comments after saturdays game he wont have much time left , Coates wont stand by a manager who the fans dont want
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Post by idle on Nov 29, 2023 13:57:32 GMT
The thing is he's actually learned a few things (although very very slowly): - 3 at the back is out. Most on here predicted he would switch to that vs. QPR. He did not. - Most on here (including me) wanted Vidi-Mmaee-Campbell as the front 3, and he did. - He's trying Junho as the no.10 and moving to a kind of like 4-2-3-1 formation, and it worked quite well yesterday going forward. - He's been trying to keep the same players that are at least semi-performing in the starting 11: Stevens, McNally, Rose (until QPR), Pearson, and Burger.
What he's not doing is not good enough: - Using Hoever. He needs a flogging. What happened to Junior? - Using Gayle. He needs flogging. What happened to Lowe? (and Tezgel, building fitness still?) - Developing and rehearsing attacking patterns. I just don't see it, yesterday was all flair and player creativity. - Developing and rehearsing attacking set pieces moves. Didn't Rory leave? We're still laughably bad at these - Setting up our defensive set pieces roles. We always concede from these. Why?
In total this just isn't good enough, and he's nearly lost me. 3 more games: minimum 7 points, or I'm coming down from the fence to the AN out crowd.
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Post by MarvePello on Nov 29, 2023 14:04:42 GMT
Out.
We were promised improvement and now we sit 17th place after 18 games with a goal difference of -7. There’s only 4 teams in the league right now with a worse goal difference.
With Swansea and Millwall yet to play, even if they get a draw in their games tonight, we’ll get knocked to 19th.
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Post by marwood on Nov 29, 2023 14:10:51 GMT
GOBLIN GET OUT
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Post by gingerninja on Nov 29, 2023 14:17:56 GMT
As a matter of interest, when does he have a contract to?.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Nov 29, 2023 14:18:32 GMT
Would anyone have MON back in a Pulis style reapportionment?
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Post by FullerMagic on Nov 29, 2023 14:20:27 GMT
As a matter of interest, when does he have a contract to?. End of next season
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Post by gingerninja on Nov 29, 2023 14:52:08 GMT
2025, Christ there is so much of life to live before then😔
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Nov 29, 2023 14:59:35 GMT
Would anyone have MON back in a Pulis style reapportionment? Definitely not!
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Post by ian57 on Nov 29, 2023 14:59:50 GMT
Warnock would sort this lot out in next to no time.
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