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Post by cvillestokie on Nov 8, 2023 16:35:43 GMT
Before I start, I will say that this is a small sample size and it was not scientifically studied. However, Sky News released an article today that uses AI to look for rent using a black and white, female profile. news.sky.com/story/amp/white-people-are-36-more-likely-to-receive-a-positive-response-when-applying-to-rent-on-spareroom-than-black-people-13001790In one response to the same question: The white profile, named Lizzie, received this response: "Hi Lizzie, can you tell me a little about how long you would be looking for the room, do you work local etc. Many Thanks." The black profile, called Zuri, received a different message stating simply: "Hello, sorry it's just been let." I’ve put this on here because I’ve had multiple conversations with posters on this site that say racism isn’t a big deal in the UK anymore or even, that non-Whites receive special treatment. With housing prices increasing and rental agreements being the only affordable option for many, I find these reports quite concerning. |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Nov 8, 2023 17:02:42 GMT
Before I start, I will say that this is a small sample size and it was not scientifically studied. However, Sky News released an article today that uses AI to look for rent using a black and white, female profile. news.sky.com/story/amp/white-people-are-36-more-likely-to-receive-a-positive-response-when-applying-to-rent-on-spareroom-than-black-people-13001790In one response to the same question: The white profile, named Lizzie, received this response: "Hi Lizzie, can you tell me a little about how long you would be looking for the room, do you work local etc. Many Thanks." The black profile, called Zuri, received a different message stating simply: "Hello, sorry it's just been let." I’ve put this on here because I’ve had multiple conversations with posters on this site that say racism isn’t a big deal in the UK anymore or even, that non-Whites receive special treatment. With housing prices increasing and rental agreements being the only affordable option for many, I find these reports quite concerning. Renting a room and renting a property are two different things I guess. I'd say it's up to the person renting the room regarding who they want to occupy it. However it's the scourge of Stoke and a HMO then it should be subject to the same rules as any commercial private or social landlord. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 8, 2023 17:10:24 GMT
Before I start, I will say that this is a small sample size and it was not scientifically studied. However, Sky News released an article today that uses AI to look for rent using a black and white, female profile. news.sky.com/story/amp/white-people-are-36-more-likely-to-receive-a-positive-response-when-applying-to-rent-on-spareroom-than-black-people-13001790In one response to the same question: The white profile, named Lizzie, received this response: "Hi Lizzie, can you tell me a little about how long you would be looking for the room, do you work local etc. Many Thanks." The black profile, called Zuri, received a different message stating simply: "Hello, sorry it's just been let." I’ve put this on here because I’ve had multiple conversations with posters on this site that say racism isn’t a big deal in the UK anymore or even, that non-Whites receive special treatment. With housing prices increasing and rental agreements being the only affordable option for many, I find these reports quite concerning. I doubt whether that will come as a surprise to many people (perhaps those who don't think there's much discrimination in this country, or even that it's gone the other way, might be surprised momentarily before going back to their previous position). While you don't see any "No Blacks, No Irish, no dogs" signs in houses offering rooms or flats these days, unlike 40 or so years ago apparently, that kind of discrimination still exists, just in a slightly more subtle form. It was the same outcome from a different study when identically qualified and experienced candidates applied for jobs. Many employers have now gone to the position of removing names from prospective candidates' applications to avoid discrimination, whether it might be overt or inherent. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 8, 2023 17:28:56 GMT
Before I start, I will say that this is a small sample size and it was not scientifically studied. However, Sky News released an article today that uses AI to look for rent using a black and white, female profile. news.sky.com/story/amp/white-people-are-36-more-likely-to-receive-a-positive-response-when-applying-to-rent-on-spareroom-than-black-people-13001790In one response to the same question: The white profile, named Lizzie, received this response: "Hi Lizzie, can you tell me a little about how long you would be looking for the room, do you work local etc. Many Thanks." The black profile, called Zuri, received a different message stating simply: "Hello, sorry it's just been let." I’ve put this on here because I’ve had multiple conversations with posters on this site that say racism isn’t a big deal in the UK anymore or even, that non-Whites receive special treatment. With housing prices increasing and rental agreements being the only affordable option for many, I find these reports quite concerning. No, racism only exists against white working class males according to several on here! |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Nov 8, 2023 17:38:07 GMT
People can rent to who they want as far as I'm concerned
Is a big deal renting out a property and you can rent to who you feel would make a suitable renter. One e mail doesn't tell a story. I didn't rent to people with kids , animals or unemployed, my choice. Nerds can do one also
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 8, 2023 17:47:16 GMT
People can rent to who they want as far as I'm concerned Is a big deal renting out a property and you can rent to who you feel would make a suitable renter. One e mail doesn't tell a story. I didn't rent to people with kids , animals or unemployed, my choice. Nerds can do one also None of those are protected characteristics. Race is. |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Nov 8, 2023 17:59:44 GMT
People can rent to who they want as far as I'm concerned Is a big deal renting out a property and you can rent to who you feel would make a suitable renter. One e mail doesn't tell a story. I didn't rent to people with kids , animals or unemployed, my choice. Nerds can do one also None of those are protected characteristics. Race is. Nerds are a race |
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Post by cvillestokie on Nov 8, 2023 18:02:34 GMT
People can rent to who they want as far as I'm concerned Is a big deal renting out a property and you can rent to who you feel would make a suitable renter. One e mail doesn't tell a story. I didn't rent to people with kids , animals or unemployed, my choice. Nerds can do one also One email doesn’t tell a story, of course. The 36% reduction in positive responses for blacks begins to tell one though. What is the possible reason for not renting to someone based on the color of their skin? This story would be more compelling if the “experiment” had been repeated with multiple age/gender/BMI matched profiles across the spectrum of each variable. However, if two fake, profile matches people are applying for the same room and there is such a discrepancy in response across the couple of hundred messages sent, does that not highlight that there is still work to be done on social attitudes? |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 8, 2023 18:04:48 GMT
None of those are protected characteristics. Race is. Nerds are a race Would you rent to a bloke with a prosthetic leg? |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Nov 8, 2023 18:05:22 GMT
People can rent to who they want as far as I'm concerned Is a big deal renting out a property and you can rent to who you feel would make a suitable renter. One e mail doesn't tell a story. I didn't rent to people with kids , animals or unemployed, my choice. Nerds can do one also One email doesn’t tell a story, of course. The 36% reduction in positive responses for blacks begins to tell one though. What is the possible reason for not renting to someone based on the color of their skin? This story would be more compelling if the “experiment” had been repeated with multiple age/gender/BMI matched profiles across the spectrum of each variable. However, if two fake, profile matches people are applying for the same room and there is such a discrepancy in response across the couple of hundred messages sent, does that not highlight that there is still work to be done on social attitudes? The rejection could be down to a work situation, her as attitude, lots of things. |
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Post by PotterLog on Nov 8, 2023 18:09:48 GMT
One email doesn’t tell a story, of course. The 36% reduction in positive responses for blacks begins to tell one though. What is the possible reason for not renting to someone based on the color of their skin? This story would be more compelling if the “experiment” had been repeated with multiple age/gender/BMI matched profiles across the spectrum of each variable. However, if two fake, profile matches people are applying for the same room and there is such a discrepancy in response across the couple of hundred messages sent, does that not highlight that there is still work to be done on social attitudes? The rejection could be down to a work situation, her as attitude, lots of things. It was two identical profiles mate, that was the point of it. *edit, although that said, in that particular case it could just be that the person responded first to the white woman and had already decided they wanted her to have the room, thus resulting in the negative response to the next person who enquired. |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Nov 8, 2023 18:21:04 GMT
The rejection could be down to a work situation, her as attitude, lots of things. It was two identical profiles mate, that was the point of it. *edit, although that said, in that particular case it could just be that the person responded first to the white woman and had already decided they wanted her to have the room, thus resulting in the negative response to the next person who enquired. Yep ..true. Some do try to find race issues where they don't exist these days of course |
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Post by cheadlepotter on Nov 8, 2023 18:29:53 GMT
I suspect you’d get the opposite outcome if the property owner was black, and in the same way you’d have Muslims favouring Muslims etc. This sort of racism isn’t exclusively white.
It’s such a shame though, these divides that are constantly caused and emphasised by our media to keep the biggest life-changing divide (rich/poor) relatively unspoken about.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 8, 2023 18:33:29 GMT
I suspect you’d get the opposite outcome if the property owner was black, as you’d have Muslims favouring Muslims etc. This sort of racism isn’t exclusively white. It’s such a shame though, these divides that are constantly caused and emphasised by our media to keep the biggest life-changing divide (rich/poor) relatively unspoken about. Perfectly put |
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 8, 2023 19:08:40 GMT
I suspect you’d get the opposite outcome if the property owner was black, as you’d have Muslims favouring Muslims etc. This sort of racism isn’t exclusively white. It’s such a shame though, these divides that are constantly caused and emphasised by our media to keep the biggest life-changing divide (rich/poor) relatively unspoken about. Racism is wrong regardless. One form isn’t better than another. |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Nov 8, 2023 19:13:21 GMT
I suspect you’d get the opposite outcome if the property owner was black, as you’d have Muslims favouring Muslims etc. This sort of racism isn’t exclusively white. It’s such a shame though, these divides that are constantly caused and emphasised by our media to keep the biggest life-changing divide (rich/poor) relatively unspoken about. Racism is wrong regardless. One form isn’t better than another. Come on Oggy, only Whites can be racist. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 8, 2023 19:13:59 GMT
Before I start, I will say that this is a small sample size and it was not scientifically studied. However, Sky News released an article today that uses AI to look for rent using a black and white, female profile. news.sky.com/story/amp/white-people-are-36-more-likely-to-receive-a-positive-response-when-applying-to-rent-on-spareroom-than-black-people-13001790In one response to the same question: The white profile, named Lizzie, received this response: "Hi Lizzie, can you tell me a little about how long you would be looking for the room, do you work local etc. Many Thanks." The black profile, called Zuri, received a different message stating simply: "Hello, sorry it's just been let." I’ve put this on here because I’ve had multiple conversations with posters on this site that say racism isn’t a big deal in the UK anymore or even, that non-Whites receive special treatment. With housing prices increasing and rental agreements being the only affordable option for many, I find these reports quite concerning. No, racism only exists against white working class males according to several on here! Literally nobody has said that on here. Stop making stuff up |
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 8, 2023 19:30:44 GMT
No, racism only exists against white working class males according to several on here! Literally nobody has said that on here. Stop making stuff up Aurelius did. He refused to accept there was any racism against black people and said it was all made up and the only racism in the uk was against white working class males. I am pretty sure others have said similar. Not sure why he thought it was a race issue when it only applied to males of a certain class. But there we go. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 8, 2023 19:32:08 GMT
Literally nobody has said that on here. Stop making stuff up Aurelius did. He refused to accept there was any racism against black people and said it was all made up and the only racism in the uk was against white working class men. I am pretty sure others have said similar. Not sure why he thought it was a race issue when it only applied to men of a certain class. But there we go. I’ve never heard of Aurelius I’m afraid🤷🏻♂️ |
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 8, 2023 19:34:24 GMT
Aurelius did. He refused to accept there was any racism against black people and said it was all made up and the only racism in the uk was against white working class men. I am pretty sure others have said similar. Not sure why he thought it was a race issue when it only applied to men of a certain class. But there we go. I’ve never heard of Aurelius I’m afraid🤷🏻♂️ Aureliuspotter. Formerly known as crapslinger. Look at most political threads around early October. He was all over them. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 8, 2023 19:36:34 GMT
I’ve never heard of Aurelius I’m afraid🤷🏻♂️ Aureliuspotter. Formerly known as crapslinger. Look at most political threads around early October. He was all over them. As I’m sure you’re aware Oggy, I don’t care too much for politics and tend to stay away from those threads😉 |
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Post by gawa on Nov 8, 2023 19:37:50 GMT
Aurelius was an entertaining chap even if we are polar opposites. I mourn him.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 8, 2023 20:09:36 GMT
Aurelius was an entertaining chap even if we are polar opposites. I mourn him. Never heard of this character before🤔 |
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Post by cheadlepotter on Nov 8, 2023 20:47:12 GMT
Aurelius was an entertaining chap even if we are polar opposites. I mourn him. Never heard of this character before🤔 I thought they were on about some Roman philosopher at first! |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 8, 2023 20:48:30 GMT
Never heard of this character before🤔 I thought they were on about some Roman philosopher at first! Probably why they’ve got sand in their fanny about him. Sounds alright tbh |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 8, 2023 21:07:41 GMT
A similar study was done in the job market in a range of sectors, identical CV’s were sent out to employers using a common name such as “Andrew Smith” and a foreign sounding name such as “Nazad Mahmood”’and “Andrew Smith” receives twice as many responses for an interview on average……..
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 8, 2023 21:14:00 GMT
The rejection could be down to a work situation, her as attitude, lots of things. It was two identical profiles mate, that was the point of it. *edit, although that said, in that particular case it could just be that the person responded first to the white woman and had already decided they wanted her to have the room, thus resulting in the negative response to the next person who enquired. That would be quite the coincidence across all 210 examples...😄 |
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Post by dutchstokie on Nov 8, 2023 21:20:06 GMT
The only race I would be willing to rent my spare room out to would be scandinavian, specifically NON male, aging between 18 and 22, with long blond hair.
The rest can all fuck off and if they done like it, they can turn left at fuck off street, leading to fuck yourself avenue and then fuck off some more.
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Post by PotterLog on Nov 8, 2023 21:25:38 GMT
It was two identical profiles mate, that was the point of it. *edit, although that said, in that particular case it could just be that the person responded first to the white woman and had already decided they wanted her to have the room, thus resulting in the negative response to the next person who enquired. That would be quite the coincidence across all 210 examples...😄 Of course, I was just referring to the one specific example cited in the OP. Presumably they randomised the order the enquiries were sent it across the board. |
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Post by atillathehoneybee on Nov 8, 2023 21:26:15 GMT
Pal of mine rents out several properties and every time bar none that he has rented to a certain group he has lost 1000s in lost rent and huge repairs when they finally move out.
He now only rents to white families.
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