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Post by musik on Oct 31, 2023 8:31:44 GMT
John Money was the person who created the term gender identity in the 1950ies.
John Money's research results and also his clinical activities have been criticized very harshly by other researchers and his clients. The first known case is his mistake in the case of David Reimer, who was a child who had a circumcision. David then suffered such severe burns to his penis that he lost it completely. The parents were then advised, based on Money's theory that gender identity is a PSYCHOSOCIAL factor in a person's life, to have David changed into a girl. The child grew up and after many troubling circumstances emerged as an adult and told of his life as a mutilated man and non-woman. After him, more of Money's clients appeared and the scientific world only then gained access to the real results of his research.
No gender changes are carried out anymore based on these theories, so the question is on what theory is gender identity based on these days if not John Money's? Why is the gender identity brought up again? And last but not least, what does psychosocial even mean?
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 31, 2023 14:58:11 GMT
I have no idea Musik. But I think its obvious some children struggle with their biological sex and believe they should be the opposite. Sadly the whole debate has descended into total chaos, money has got involved and plenty are using it for political means. Just look at America where its become obvious that the medical/pharmaceutical industry see that there's lots of money to be made in this gender dysphoria. So now one is left wondering whether the promotion of what has always been considered an issue that affects a very tiny percentage of the population is genuine or not. Kids taking drugs to stop puberty and or removing body parts at incredibly young ages is something that doesn't sit very comfortably with me at all. There was a thread on here the other day discussing a bloke who became a woman who then decided they fancied birds so is now a lesbian. Not just a heterosexual man. Crackers. Adults can do what they like. But the kids should be protected from making daft decisions they could end up regretting their entire adult life.
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Post by gawa on Oct 31, 2023 15:21:37 GMT
A difficult one to understand given I've never experienced it or had anyone close to me experience it either.
What people want to do with themselves is up to them and doesn't particularly bother me but I do think children should be protected from making such significant life changing decisions. From 16 onwards I'm not as bothered.
It's no surprise to see the rise in this stuff given how much more connected we are through the Internet. I'm sure 40 years ago people maybe experienced similar but as trans wasn't a known thing back then, they just got on with things and being who they are.
I think alot of it probably comes down to hormones, testosterone and mental health issues. And how normalised its becoming is slightly concerning because I'm not sure if trans is the answer for everyone.
I know what it can be like to suffer from depression and lose yourself a bit and I worry other depressed people, particularly teenagers, may think their depression and not feeling normal must be due to their gender in a desperate attempt to feel better and thus go down the trans route when it may not be what they need.
The other concerning thing is a growing number of people with little empathy or understanding towards trans people that don't really care about it but use it as something to weaponise and spread division and hate. Frustrates me particularly when there are more pressing global issues which get ignored for silly culture wars instead.
I think alot of it comes back to social media too and societal pressures. When I was in school gay/camp was regularly used as an insult but then people grew out of it. Today I imagine kids getting called such things go down some rabbit holes online and begin yo believe they don't fit in and need to change to meet societal pressures. A young lad who is a bit camp and girly and has female friends may decide that they're born in thr wrong body today whereas 20 years ago they seen themselves as simply gay or camp.
People are desperate to fit in and I guess a girl who is a Tom boy or a bit butch is no longer owning that in the same way but instead getting ideas that they must be the wrong gender.
Ultimately though I still don't really care a great deal in the sense it doesn't affect me and if someone wants to change to another gender then who am I to stop them. I'll call them a she/her too, doesn't bother me. But I think when it comes to changing rooms and stuff it's a bit different as that's imposing your transition on others and can make others uncomfortable and that's unfair. And if trans people are opposed to using separate changing rooms then there should be additional changing room provided for females or males who are uncomfortable and don't wish to share with them.
Respects a two way thing and if you want to be respected as another gender then you also need to respect other people's boundaries who accept you as said gender.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 31, 2023 16:22:30 GMT
Indeed Gawa. How many classic tomboy girls of today are going to get sucked into this and make a terrible decision to remove their breasts etc, that one day they will deeply deeply regret. Its frightening thought in all honesty.
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Post by musik on Oct 31, 2023 23:07:15 GMT
Thanks for the replies! I have a friend who has worked with this issues for years but I haven't got the opportunity yet to ask her anything within the field of gender identity, since she's been away lately.
However I have read some articles and texts about it now. I'm a bit surprised actually, since it doesn't say much, if anything at all, about the medical and biological aspects. My starting point was perhaps naive, but I sincerely had the view this is purely a biological issue that could be resolved by medicine and/or surgery if the person was a intersexual. And I did fully respect why someone felt trapped in the wrong body.
The case coming to my mind was a female who lived on the other side of the road from where my mother lived. The female in question made gestures like a man, looked like a man and walked like a man. There was absolutely nothing typically female about her. Later she was in an article in the paper and said there that she would undergo an operation to change her sex. I think she did and moved.
So when I now have read a bit about John Money, psychosocial factors and pressure from society, group pressure et cetera I think they have found reasons, yes, but have made all the wrong conclusions and thereby suggested solutions!
If a society dictates how you "should" act to be a man or to be a woman - then it's not the individual who has the problem, it's the society! To prove that you could read about persons who actually moved far far away to a distant culture, to another world, and thereby changed their view of themselves being in the wrong body. Their identity crisis miraculously disappeared. The times change over and over again and thereby the views, but our bodies can't, not endlessly anyway.
I think the actual and apparently man made gender identity crisis only can be put to an end if we accepted that a man and a woman can be and act in many different ways. Men are different from each other within the group called men but can all be called men. The same goes for women. To be a man isn't just one stereotype, one way to be. The same goes for women.
If we reach that point, we would realize men and women actually overlap each other in many areas. Realizing that perhaps many of us wouldn't have thoughts about ourselves thinking "I don't feel like a man" or "I don't feel like a woman". I really do believe there is no such thing as a certain feeling of being a man or being a woman. There is however - perhaps - a feeling of being human - apart from unhuman. So simply take a look at your private parts - therein lies the answer if you are a man or a woman.
Unless I was right from the beginning and it is after all a biological issue, not to be solved by simply looking at the private parts.
Just some midnight thoughts.
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Post by steve66 on Oct 31, 2023 23:22:08 GMT
Doesn’t really matter these days, if they take it up the rear anything goes….
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Post by musik on Oct 31, 2023 23:34:17 GMT
Another things I wanted to talk about concern language.
In Sweden we say han (him), hon (her) and hen (they). I just found out in English it's "they" for the gender neutrals. Am I right?
This is REALLY a hot potatoe in Sweden. I think I've never use hen (they), the gender neutral word when writing. It doesn't fit in the way I write. I actually want to know the biological sex in a person. I always find it important.
Is it a hot potatoe in England too?
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Another debate going on here is about what's usually in a survey, opinion poll or questionnaire where they ask, are you/do you identify as: a man, woman or something else?
What is your biological sex would be a less vague question some people claim, where you could tick "something else" only if you are a intersexual; moving away from psychosocial factors to biological factors.
The debate up here is really infected. I personally just want to know more.
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Post by desman2 on Nov 1, 2023 2:14:50 GMT
Their are only two sexes whichever way it's dressed up. The ideologists know this and so change the word to gender because they know that to use the word sex would expose their stupidity.
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Post by PotterLog on Nov 1, 2023 3:54:43 GMT
Another things I wanted to talk about concern language. In Sweden we say han (him), hon (her) and hen (they). I just found out in English it's "they" for the gender neutrals. Am I right? This is REALLY a hot potatoe in Sweden. I think I've never use hen (they), the gender neutral word when writing. It doesn't fit in the way I write. I actually want to know the biological sex in a person. I always find it important. Is it a hot potatoe in England too? The problem with pronouns is the very idea that anyone gets to dictate what words other people use to refer to them. To say “my pronouns are” is a nonsense in itself - you don’t own those pronouns any more than you own the adjectives someone uses to describe you. The only pronouns you can reasonably take ownership of are the ones that come out of your mouth when you’re talking about other people.
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Post by cvillestokie on Nov 1, 2023 4:54:15 GMT
A difficult one to understand given I've never experienced it or had anyone close to me experience it either. What people want to do with themselves is up to them and doesn't particularly bother me but I do think children should be protected from making such significant life changing decisions. From 16 onwards I'm not as bothered. It's no surprise to see the rise in this stuff given how much more connected we are through the Internet. I'm sure 40 years ago people maybe experienced similar but as trans wasn't a known thing back then, they just got on with things and being who they are. I think alot of it probably comes down to hormones, testosterone and mental health issues. And how normalised its becoming is slightly concerning because I'm not sure if trans is the answer for everyone. I know what it can be like to suffer from depression and lose yourself a bit and I worry other depressed people, particularly teenagers, may think their depression and not feeling normal must be due to their gender in a desperate attempt to feel better and thus go down the trans route when it may not be what they need. The other concerning thing is a growing number of people with little empathy or understanding towards trans people that don't really care about it but use it as something to weaponise and spread division and hate. Frustrates me particularly when there are more pressing global issues which get ignored for silly culture wars instead. I think alot of it comes back to social media too and societal pressures. When I was in school gay/camp was regularly used as an insult but then people grew out of it. Today I imagine kids getting called such things go down some rabbit holes online and begin yo believe they don't fit in and need to change to meet societal pressures. A young lad who is a bit camp and girly and has female friends may decide that they're born in thr wrong body today whereas 20 years ago they seen themselves as simply gay or camp. People are desperate to fit in and I guess a girl who is a Tom boy or a bit butch is no longer owning that in the same way but instead getting ideas that they must be the wrong gender. Ultimately though I still don't really care a great deal in the sense it doesn't affect me and if someone wants to change to another gender then who am I to stop them. I'll call them a she/her too, doesn't bother me. But I think when it comes to changing rooms and stuff it's a bit different as that's imposing your transition on others and can make others uncomfortable and that's unfair. And if trans people are opposed to using separate changing rooms then there should be additional changing room provided for females or males who are uncomfortable and don't wish to share with them. Respects a two way thing and if you want to be respected as another gender then you also need to respect other people's boundaries who accept you as said gender. I would say that they didn’t just get on with who they are. This is an issue now because Republicans have made it an issue. The fact that children who are transgender have a far greater risk of depression and suicide and that the evidence consistently shows that both depression and suicide rates are reduced following gender affirming care is a good reason why those that do it, should have access. The whole process is incredibly long winded and involves constant discussion with parents, counselors and psychiatrists. Should kids just be at a far greater risk of killing themselves because it doesn’t sit right with some in the general public who have no say/impact on the child’s life? Should they really have to wait until they are 18 to receive care? What are they supposed to do in the meantime? Just get on with manic depression and suicidal thoughts? I don’t think that there’s a lot of strong evidence out there that many kids reverse their feelings later in life and then can’t do much about it. There will be some, of course but isn’t that the case with absolutely every decision? These debates are just stupid culture wars. 1 in 100 millennials identify as trans in the US. However, many of those will never seek gender affirming care in the forms of surgery etc. It’s something that affects so few people, so why does it keep coming up?
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Post by musik on Nov 1, 2023 10:29:13 GMT
Their are only two sexes whichever way it's dressed up. The ideologists know this and so change the word to gender because they know that to use the word sex would expose their stupidity. Well, in that case they expose it all the time here in Sweden, since we only use "sex" as the word here. In general in the debate we don't differ between biological sex and psychosocial (or whatever) gender. On the contrary it's very common to hear people within the hbtqi+-world here say "there are an almost endless variety of sexes". They all do. No wonder the rest of us get confused.
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Post by musik on Nov 2, 2023 21:23:42 GMT
I will borrow some books about it ... The person I know who works with these type of issues wasn't available today.
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First of all I wanna know, if we in a survey have the options (1) man, (2) woman, (3) something else, I wanna know what it actually means.
Do they in general mean something else biologically, like someone who is born with both testicles and a vagina, or do they mean something else, based on the individual's feelings?
I still think this is an issue with biological explanations, even though they might not be that obvious in every case. Otherwise I will be deeply disappointed.
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Post by musik on Nov 2, 2023 21:43:38 GMT
Just read an article by Mats Reimer a Swedish doctor who claims there are only two SEXES (notice the word used here) - and that is seen very controversial these days ...
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 2, 2023 21:55:13 GMT
Just read an article by Mats Reimer a Swedish doctor who claims there are only two SEXES (notice the word used here) - and that is seen very controversial these days ... 🤨 Sunak said it he other week. It’s a vote winner for sure and I agree with him
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Post by cvillestokie on Nov 2, 2023 21:59:04 GMT
Just read an article by Mats Reimer a Swedish doctor who claims there are only two SEXES (notice the word used here) - and that is seen very controversial these days ... 🤨 Sunak said it he other week. It’s a vote winner for sure and I agree with him Why is it a vote winner?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 2, 2023 22:02:00 GMT
Sunak said it he other week. It’s a vote winner for sure and I agree with him Why is it a vote winner? Because it’s what the majority feel whether you like it or not
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Post by cvillestokie on Nov 2, 2023 22:04:18 GMT
Because it’s what the majority feel whether you like it or not If I said the sky is blue, is that a vote winner? I just don’t understand why it’s an issue for anyone not affected by it and why people can’t just be left alone to make their own medical decisions.
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Post by musik on Nov 2, 2023 22:50:01 GMT
Because it’s what the majority feel whether you like it or not If I said the sky is blue, is that a vote winner? I just don’t understand why it’s an issue for anyone not affected by it and why people can’t just be left alone to make their own medical decisions. No, the sky is seldom blue around here, more often grey. I just want to know more about the topic, that's all. I don't even understand what (1) man, (2) woman, (3) something else, in a survey means.
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Post by cheadlepotter on Nov 2, 2023 22:51:50 GMT
Because it’s what the majority feel whether you like it or not If I said the sky is blue, is that a vote winner? I just don’t understand why it’s an issue for anyone not affected by it and why people can’t just be left alone to make their own medical decisions. It affects people when they get dragged into a disciplinary for mis-gendering someone, some feel threatened regarding the toilets/changing room thing, and then there's the sports issues. I get where you're coming from regarding people not being affected by it, but some only need to know someone affected by it to feel affected by it themselves. However, I feel a big contribution to the problems is the media, folk like Piers Morgan, who constantly get to interview folk with the most extreme views on the subject and some viewers believe these people actually represent trans people. I have some, albeit small, experience with trans people. My nephew used to be my niece. He's currently transitioning (low voice, beard, hairy arms, looks like a lad but still a woman in the private areas) but you wouldn't know it, anyone new meeting him wouldn't question his gender. During the early parts of his transition if anyone misgendered him he accepted it as some were used to him being a girl (like me) and others just couldn't quite tell which was fair enough. He's a cracking lad and doesn't make a deal out of it at all. You won't see him waving a multi-coloured flag, or requesting any of that they/them bollocks. He just wants to crack on with life like the rest of us. Which is why the they/them people etc annoy me, and those who just want to identify as something to cause trouble or get a free-ticket in life, they harm other trans folk like my nephew who don't want to affect other people's lives. They have to see the rubbish on tv and on social media and what with obsession with labels in society unfortunately they get chucked in with that lot.
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Post by musik on Nov 2, 2023 23:00:07 GMT
If I said the sky is blue, is that a vote winner? I just don’t understand why it’s an issue for anyone not affected by it and why people can’t just be left alone to make their own medical decisions. It affects people when they get dragged into a disciplinary for mis-gendering someone, some feel threatened regarding the toilets/changing room thing, and then there's the sports issues. I get where you're coming from regarding people not being affected by it, but some only need to know someone affected by it to be affected by it themselves. However, I feel a big contribution to the problems is the media, folk like Piers Morgan, who constantly get to interview folk with the most extreme views on the subject and some viewers believe these people actually represent trans people. I have some, albeit small, experience with trans people. My nephew used to be my niece. He's currently transitioning (low voice, beard, hairy arms, looks like a lad but still a woman in the private areas) but you wouldn't know it, anyone new meeting him wouldn't question his gender. During the early parts of his transition if anyone misgendered him he accepted it as some were used to him being a girl (like me) and others just couldn't quite tell which was fair enough. He's a cracking lad and doesn't make a deal out of it at all. You won't see him waving a multi-coloured flag, or requesting any of that they/them bollocks. He just wants to crack on with life like the rest of us. Which is why the they/them people etc annoy me, and those who just want to identify as something to cause trouble or get a free-ticket in life, they harm other trans folk like my nephew who don't want to affect other people's lives. They have to see the rubbish on tv and on social media and what with obsession with labels in society unfortunately they get chucked in with that lot. Thanks for the shared story, Cheadle! I hope I don't upset anyone with this thread. I simply want to know how it works, and what it all means. And if I don't, I get frustrated actually. Like I wrote about a survey I saw ... Are you ... (1) Man (2) Woman (3) Something else What does it mean?
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Post by cheadlepotter on Nov 2, 2023 23:07:21 GMT
It affects people when they get dragged into a disciplinary for mis-gendering someone, some feel threatened regarding the toilets/changing room thing, and then there's the sports issues. I get where you're coming from regarding people not being affected by it, but some only need to know someone affected by it to be affected by it themselves. However, I feel a big contribution to the problems is the media, folk like Piers Morgan, who constantly get to interview folk with the most extreme views on the subject and some viewers believe these people actually represent trans people. I have some, albeit small, experience with trans people. My nephew used to be my niece. He's currently transitioning (low voice, beard, hairy arms, looks like a lad but still a woman in the private areas) but you wouldn't know it, anyone new meeting him wouldn't question his gender. During the early parts of his transition if anyone misgendered him he accepted it as some were used to him being a girl (like me) and others just couldn't quite tell which was fair enough. He's a cracking lad and doesn't make a deal out of it at all. You won't see him waving a multi-coloured flag, or requesting any of that they/them bollocks. He just wants to crack on with life like the rest of us. Which is why the they/them people etc annoy me, and those who just want to identify as something to cause trouble or get a free-ticket in life, they harm other trans folk like my nephew who don't want to affect other people's lives. They have to see the rubbish on tv and on social media and what with obsession with labels in society unfortunately they get chucked in with that lot. Thanks for the shared story, Cheadle! I hope I don't upset anyone with this thread. I simply want to know how it works, and what it all means. And if I don't, I get frustrated actually. Like I wrote about a survey I saw ... Are you ... (1) Man (2) Woman (3) Something else What does it means? I'm not sure about the something else, unless it's an option of 'unsure' which many trans people may have felt at some point. When you go beyond all that with the absolute mass of genders and identifications (like that nonsense poster in the Main Building at the Royal Stoke hospital) it's just attention seeking nonsense to me.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 2, 2023 23:11:01 GMT
Because it’s what the majority feel whether you like it or not If I said the sky is blue, is that a vote winner? I just don’t understand why it’s an issue for anyone not affected by it and why people can’t just be left alone to make their own medical decisions. I know. It's almost as if people are encouraged to find a group to get angry about, isn't it! 1930s. "Bloody Jews. It's always them causing problems". "What have they done to you?" "Nothing, but they expect to come here now they're being kicked out of Germany. They'll cause loads of problems here now, it was in the paper". 1940s. "I don't like blacks or Asians". "But what have they done to you personally?" "Well, nothing, but I'm sure I read they cause more trouble, take our jobs, claim more benefits or something". 1980s. "Anyway, I don't like homosexuals, they're disgusting". "But how have they affected you?" "Well, they haven't, but I'm sure I read they're responsible for the decline of moral standards, spreading disease etc". 2010s: "Bloody Eastern Europeans coming here taking jobs and destroying local services". "You do realise they actually make a net contribution". "That may be so but there's too many and it's not right. Farage and his lot have got it right". 2020s. "Anyway, these trans people and all this gender stuff really annoys me". "Why? In what way does it touch your life". "It doesn't. I just hate seeing it on tv or in the paper or on social media. They cause trouble and confuse kids and stuff". You'd think people would cotton on eventually, wouldn't you!
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Post by cvillestokie on Nov 2, 2023 23:19:31 GMT
If I said the sky is blue, is that a vote winner? I just don’t understand why it’s an issue for anyone not affected by it and why people can’t just be left alone to make their own medical decisions. I know. It's almost as if people are encouraged to find a group to get angry about, isn't it! 1930s. "Bloody Jews. It's always them causing problems". "What have they done to you?" "Nothing, but they expect to come here now they're being kicked out of Germany. They'll cause loads of problems here now, it was in the paper". 1940s. "I don't like blacks or Asians". "But what have they done to you personally?" "Well, nothing, but I'm sure I read they cause more trouble, take our jobs, claim more benefits or something". 1980s. "Anyway, I don't like homosexuals, they're disgusting". "But how have they affected you?" "Well, they haven't, but I'm sure I read they're responsible for the decline of moral standards, spreading disease etc". 2010s: "Bloody Eastern Europeans coming here taking jobs and destroying local services". "You do realise they actually make a net contribution". "That may be so but there's too many and it's not right. Farage and his lot have got it right". 2020s. "Anyway, these trans people and all this gender stuff really annoys me". "Why? In what way does it touch your life". "It doesn't. I just hate seeing it on tv or in the paper or on social media. They cause trouble and confuse kids and stuff". You'd think people would cotton on eventually, wouldn't you! Agreed. There always has to be something to get riled up over. Can’t we all just hate Vale and be content that it be enough? There are practical lines with the gender thing that I’m not overly sure about: sports (for example) that I feel require a lot of consideration that I don’t want to devote to the topic before I fully form an opinion on it. However, in the general day to day, it has been shown over and over that kids who have gender dysphoria are significantly less likely to be depressed and commit suicide after transitioning. Who in their right mind can give an argument that weighs against the value of a child’s life?
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Post by cvillestokie on Nov 2, 2023 23:26:33 GMT
If I said the sky is blue, is that a vote winner? I just don’t understand why it’s an issue for anyone not affected by it and why people can’t just be left alone to make their own medical decisions. It affects people when they get dragged into a disciplinary for mis-gendering someone, some feel threatened regarding the toilets/changing room thing, and then there's the sports issues. I get where you're coming from regarding people not being affected by it, but some only need to know someone affected by it to be affected by it themselves. However, I feel a big contribution to the problems is the media, folk like Piers Morgan, who constantly get to interview folk with the most extreme views on the subject and some viewers believe these people actually represent trans people. I have some, albeit small, experience with trans people. My nephew used to be my niece. He's currently transitioning (low voice, beard, hairy arms, looks like a lad but still a woman in the private areas) but you wouldn't know it, anyone new meeting him wouldn't question his gender. During the early parts of his transition if anyone misgendered him he accepted it as some were used to him being a girl (like me) and others just couldn't quite tell which was fair enough. He's a cracking lad and doesn't make a deal out of it at all. You won't see him waving a multi-coloured flag, or requesting any of that they/them bollocks. He just wants to crack on with life like the rest of us. Which is why the they/them people etc annoy me, and those who just want to identify as something to cause trouble or get a free-ticket in life, they harm other trans folk like my nephew who don't want to affect other people's lives. They have to see the rubbish on tv and on social media and what with obsession with labels in society unfortunately they get chucked in with that lot. That’s fair. I think that the disciplinary stuff for an accidental statement is never going to help. It’s a shame that, as a society, people have moved away from the idea of just taking someone to the side and saying “listen, I didn’t like that”. Though, perhaps we were never there in the first place. I’m glad that your nephew is getting on with it and seems happy with his decision. Piers Morgan is the pits. I often wonder if the people he brings on to his shows actually believe the shite they spout (one way or another). They are there to sell Morgan’s agenda and that’s about it. A horrible man that does nothing for society.
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Nov 2, 2023 23:59:08 GMT
If I said the sky is blue, is that a vote winner? I just don’t understand why it’s an issue for anyone not affected by it and why people can’t just be left alone to make their own medical decisions. I know. It's almost as if people are encouraged to find a group to get angry about, isn't it! 1930s. "Bloody Jews. It's always them causing problems". "What have they done to you?" "Nothing, but they expect to come here now they're being kicked out of Germany. They'll cause loads of problems here now, it was in the paper". 1940s. "I don't like blacks or Asians". "But what have they done to you personally?" "Well, nothing, but I'm sure I read they cause more trouble, take our jobs, claim more benefits or something". 1980s. "Anyway, I don't like homosexuals, they're disgusting". "But how have they affected you?" "Well, they haven't, but I'm sure I read they're responsible for the decline of moral standards, spreading disease etc". 2010s: "Bloody Eastern Europeans coming here taking jobs and destroying local services". "You do realise they actually make a net contribution". "That may be so but there's too many and it's not right. Farage and his lot have got it right". 2020s. "Anyway, these trans people and all this gender stuff really annoys me". "Why? In what way does it touch your life". "It doesn't. I just hate seeing it on tv or in the paper or on social media. They cause trouble and confuse kids and stuff". You'd think people would cotton on eventually, wouldn't you! Our fans do the same with our players....it always seems that we need someone to blame / hate. Sadly, it's been the way of the world for centuries. Anyway, off for a sit down piss 🫢
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Post by musik on Nov 3, 2023 10:51:19 GMT
Anyway, off for a sit down piss 🫢 Recently I've found out sitting down can have its advantages, especially when you are about to poo as well. It's easy to get a muscle injury if you aren't fast enough.
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Post by musik on Nov 3, 2023 11:08:20 GMT
Just read an article by Mats Reimer a Swedish doctor who claims there are only two SEXES (notice the word used here) - and that is seen very controversial these days ... 🤨 Sunak said it he other week. It’s a vote winner for sure and I agree with him I will visit the library soon, when I get the time. I'm a believer in logic and science and biology and there should be an answer to everything! I can think of two sexes plus the intersex variation when someone actually is born for instance with a vagina and testicles (keep in mind, very rare cases). Desman2 in this thread said there is the difference between sexes and gender. Well, therein lies much of mine and other swedes confusion; people within the hbtqi+-world (the word they use here) don't separate between sex and gender. They say there are loads of sexes. A group of small children were in a survey asked here what sex they felt they belonged to, and they had five options. In Yesterday's news. Needless to say it wasn't popular. I'm just trying to understand. Is sex what you are biologically and gender what you are in your imagination? I don't think so. I think gender also has its biological answers. And the answer to all of this is probably: Science doesn't know why some "feel" they are this or that. Yet.
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Post by PotterLog on Nov 3, 2023 12:44:11 GMT
If I said the sky is blue, is that a vote winner? I just don’t understand why it’s an issue for anyone not affected by it and why people can’t just be left alone to make their own medical decisions. I know. It's almost as if people are encouraged to find a group to get angry about, isn't it! 1930s. "Bloody Jews. It's always them causing problems". "What have they done to you?" "Nothing, but they expect to come here now they're being kicked out of Germany. They'll cause loads of problems here now, it was in the paper". 1940s. "I don't like blacks or Asians". "But what have they done to you personally?" "Well, nothing, but I'm sure I read they cause more trouble, take our jobs, claim more benefits or something". 1980s. "Anyway, I don't like homosexuals, they're disgusting". "But how have they affected you?" "Well, they haven't, but I'm sure I read they're responsible for the decline of moral standards, spreading disease etc". 2010s: "Bloody Eastern Europeans coming here taking jobs and destroying local services". "You do realise they actually make a net contribution". "That may be so but there's too many and it's not right. Farage and his lot have got it right". 2020s. "Anyway, these trans people and all this gender stuff really annoys me". "Why? In what way does it touch your life". "It doesn't. I just hate seeing it on tv or in the paper or on social media. They cause trouble and confuse kids and stuff". You'd think people would cotton on eventually, wouldn't you! Or… 2020s. "Anyway, these trans people and all this gender stuff really annoys me". "Why? In what way does it touch your life". “Well, my 6-year-old is kind of confused and anxious because he was taught at school that that everybody has a “gender” which can develop and change over time. This has given him the false idea that humans can change sex.” “Well, I’m a young lesbian and the dating apps I use are more and more populated by males who identify as women, leading to some very uncomfortable situations. I've felt pressured to accept males into my dating pool for fear of otherwise being called a bigot, or in the words of a Stonewall director, a “sexual racist”.” “I care about vulnerable women’s safety and right to privacy. I have a relative who was traumatised by rape, but found it very difficult to find women’s-only crisis services. I’m also concerned that male sexual criminals are able to identify as women and find their way into women’s prisons, many doing so *after* having committed sex crimes as a man.” “I’m a female athlete, I’ve spent countless thousands of hours training and making sacrifices to enter the Olympics. I thought I’d made it but a male competitor who was allowed to enter took my place.” “I’m a rugby player, I got knocked unconscious by a man twice my size because he identifies as a woman and was allowed to play on the opposing team” “I’m the father of an ten-year-old girl and I’m now fearful to send her into the women’s changing rooms at the swimming pool because the last time she told me there was a man in there” “I’m the father of a thirteen-year-old boy who I think is probably gay. He’s expressed dysphoria about his gender and is now convinced he is “trans” and wants to make life-changing medication to block his puberty. He has also talked about having surgery which would leave him sterile and unable to achieve orgasm for the rest of his life. I’m not sure he understands the implications of it” “I’m a 26-year-old woman, I was convinced at 18 that I was actually a man. Medical professionals all affirmed my dysphoria and I had my breasts and uterus removed. I now realise I was simply a confused kid. I can never have children or a family. I wish someone had advised me to wait” “I’m a child therapist. We’ve been instructed to adopt an affirmation model of treating children with gender confusion. I think it’s harmful but I’m terrified to say anything because we’re accused of using “conversion therapy”” Etc. You get the idea of one or two ways it might affect someone’s life.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Nov 3, 2023 13:03:44 GMT
I know. It's almost as if people are encouraged to find a group to get angry about, isn't it! 1930s. "Bloody Jews. It's always them causing problems". "What have they done to you?" "Nothing, but they expect to come here now they're being kicked out of Germany. They'll cause loads of problems here now, it was in the paper". 1940s. "I don't like blacks or Asians". "But what have they done to you personally?" "Well, nothing, but I'm sure I read they cause more trouble, take our jobs, claim more benefits or something". 1980s. "Anyway, I don't like homosexuals, they're disgusting". "But how have they affected you?" "Well, they haven't, but I'm sure I read they're responsible for the decline of moral standards, spreading disease etc". 2010s: "Bloody Eastern Europeans coming here taking jobs and destroying local services". "You do realise they actually make a net contribution". "That may be so but there's too many and it's not right. Farage and his lot have got it right". 2020s. "Anyway, these trans people and all this gender stuff really annoys me". "Why? In what way does it touch your life". "It doesn't. I just hate seeing it on tv or in the paper or on social media. They cause trouble and confuse kids and stuff". You'd think people would cotton on eventually, wouldn't you! Or… 2020s. "Anyway, these trans people and all this gender stuff really annoys me". "Why? In what way does it touch your life". “Well, my 6-year-old is kind of confused and anxious because he was taught at school that that everybody has a “gender” which can develop and change over time. This has given him the false idea that humans can change sex.” “Well, I’m a young lesbian and the dating apps I use are more and more populated by males who identify as women, leading to some very uncomfortable situations. I've felt pressured to accept males into my dating pool for fear of otherwise being called a bigot, or in the words of a Stonewall director, a “sexual racist”.” “I care about vulnerable women’s safety and right to privacy. I have a relative who was traumatised by rape, but found it very difficult to find women’s-only crisis services. I’m also concerned that male sexual criminals are able to identify as women and find their way into women’s prisons, many doing so *after* having committed sex crimes as a man.” “I’m a female athlete, I’ve spent countless thousands of hours training and making sacrifices to enter the Olympics. I thought I’d made it but a male competitor who was allowed to enter took my place.” “I’m a rugby player, I got knocked unconscious by a man twice my size because he identifies as a woman and was allowed to play on the opposing team” “I’m the father of an ten-year-old girl and I’m now fearful to send her into the women’s changing rooms at the swimming pool because the last time she told me there was a man in there” “I’m the father of a thirteen-year-old boy who I think is probably gay. He’s expressed dysphoria about his gender and is now convinced he is “trans” and wants to make life-changing medication to block his puberty. He has also talked about having surgery which would leave him sterile and unable to achieve orgasm for the rest of his life. I’m not sure he understands the implications of it” “I’m a 26-year-old woman, I was convinced at 18 that I was actually a man. Medical professionals all affirmed my dysphoria and I had my breasts and uterus removed. I now realise I was simply a confused kid. I can never have children or a family. I wish someone had advised me to wait” “I’m a child therapist. We’ve been instructed to adopt an affirmation model of treating children with gender confusion. I think it’s harmful but I’m terrified to say anything because we’re accused of using “conversion therapy”” Etc. You get the idea of one or two ways it might affect someone’s life. All valid points to be fair 👍
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Post by atillathehoneybee on Nov 3, 2023 13:15:22 GMT
Born with a cock...you are a bloke. Born with a fanny..you are a woman...
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