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Post by maninasuitcase on Oct 28, 2023 8:39:44 GMT
Thought i would give some balance to show some support to the lad, seeing as there are plenty slating the poor fella.
Good or bad he's still a Stoke player, and this opportunity has arisen where he will more than likely be playing today.
So i want to say, go on Jack and do us proud.
UTMPš“āŖļø
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2023 8:46:16 GMT
He's had loads of chances. He's a lower half league 1 standard keeper.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 28, 2023 8:48:40 GMT
First one he conceded we'll get the Travers would gave saved that comment more than likely
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2023 8:50:35 GMT
None of this is Jack's fault. Grown adults taking out their frustrations on Bonham is not on. I hope he can use some of this negativity to fire himself up and perform well.
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Post by walrus on Oct 28, 2023 8:51:03 GMT
Pasting my comment from the other thread for a bit of objectivity:
Expected goals prevented per 90 by Stoke goalkeepers since we got relegated, which is a measure of how many more or fewer goals a keeper let in compared to how a notional āaverage keeperā would fare against the same quality of chances faced. Positive numbers indicate the keeper prevented more goals than the average. Iāve included only keepers who played 10 or more full matches:
Butland (18/19) +0.06
Davies (21/22) +0.06
Bonham (21/22) -0.04
Travers (23/24) -0.08
Bonham (22/23). -0.16
Bursik (20/21) -0.19
Davies (20/21) -0.21
Bursik (21/22) -0.23
Butland (18/20) -0.26
Bursik (22/23) -0.29
Bonus stat: Travers at Bournemouth (21/22) +0.07
Conclusions:
- Our goalkeepers have generally been pretty crap at stopping shots
- Bonham has been far from the worst offender
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Post by wearepremierleague on Oct 28, 2023 8:54:03 GMT
Pasting my comment from the other thread for a bit of objectivity: Expected goals prevented per 90 by Stoke goalkeepers since we got relegated, which is a measure of how many more or fewer goals a keeper let in compared to how a notional āaverage keeperā would fare against the same quality of chances faced. Positive numbers indicate the keeper prevented more goals than the average. Iāve included only keepers who played 10 or more full matches: Butland (18/19) +0.06 Davies (21/22) +0.06 Bonham (21/22) -0.04 Travers (23/24) -0.08 Bonham (22/23). -0.16 Bursik (20/21) -0.19 Davies (20/21) -0.21 Bursik (21/22) -0.23 Butland (18/20) -0.26 Bursik (22/23) -0.29 Bonus stat: Travers at Bournemouth (21/22) +0.07 Conclusions: - Our goalkeepers have generally been pretty crap at stopping shots - Bonham has been far from the worst offender Not a fan of XG overall, but -0.29 a game is absolutely shocking from Bursik |
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Post by Gods on Oct 28, 2023 9:02:47 GMT
Pasting my comment from the other thread for a bit of objectivity: Expected goals prevented per 90 by Stoke goalkeepers since we got relegated, which is a measure of how many more or fewer goals a keeper let in compared to how a notional āaverage keeperā would fare against the same quality of chances faced. Positive numbers indicate the keeper prevented more goals than the average. Iāve included only keepers who played 10 or more full matches: Butland (18/19) +0.06 Davies (21/22) +0.06 Bonham (21/22) -0.04 Travers (23/24) -0.08 Bonham (22/23). -0.16 Bursik (20/21) -0.19 Davies (20/21) -0.21 Bursik (21/22) -0.23 Butland (18/20) -0.26 Bursik (22/23) -0.29 Bonus stat: Travers at Bournemouth (21/22) +0.07 Conclusions: - Our goalkeepers have generally been pretty crap at stopping shots - Bonham has been far from the worst offender Very interesting. I should add goodness knows how they arrive at it. Is someone really watching every game and marking shots 'stoppable or 'unstoppable'? And if they are it would require a value judgement? And of course shot stopping is but one element of goal keeping. Still interesting. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 28, 2023 9:03:18 GMT
He doesnāt deserve a chance though. Thatās the issue.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Oct 28, 2023 9:08:54 GMT
He doesnāt deserve a chance though. Thatās the issue. Blimey Bayern this is a give the lad a chance thread not get the boot into him. |
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Post by stokesupporter on Oct 28, 2023 9:12:22 GMT
Bonham needs our support. I'm sure he will do his best. MOTM today?
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Post by maninasuitcase on Oct 28, 2023 9:15:10 GMT
Bonham needs our support. I'm sure he will do his best. MOTM today? I hope he has a worldy mate just to prove he's worthy of the shirt š |
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Post by walrus on Oct 28, 2023 9:18:33 GMT
Pasting my comment from the other thread for a bit of objectivity: Expected goals prevented per 90 by Stoke goalkeepers since we got relegated, which is a measure of how many more or fewer goals a keeper let in compared to how a notional āaverage keeperā would fare against the same quality of chances faced. Positive numbers indicate the keeper prevented more goals than the average. Iāve included only keepers who played 10 or more full matches: Butland (18/19) +0.06 Davies (21/22) +0.06 Bonham (21/22) -0.04 Travers (23/24) -0.08 Bonham (22/23). -0.16 Bursik (20/21) -0.19 Davies (20/21) -0.21 Bursik (21/22) -0.23 Butland (18/20) -0.26 Bursik (22/23) -0.29 Bonus stat: Travers at Bournemouth (21/22) +0.07 Conclusions: - Our goalkeepers have generally been pretty crap at stopping shots - Bonham has been far from the worst offender Very interesting. I should add goodness knows how they arrive at it. Is someone really watching every game and marking shots 'stoppable or 'unstoppable'? And if they are it would require a value judgement? And of course shot stopping is but one element of goal keeping. Still interesting. They work from an absolutely enormous dataset of previous shots to draw conclusions from how keepers have fared in the past against similar chances. Itās not an exact science but over a decent amount of matches it starts to tell interesting stories. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 28, 2023 9:21:40 GMT
He doesnāt deserve a chance though. Thatās the issue. Get thee sen on the team bus chief. Sounds like you're a better keeper š |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 28, 2023 9:25:33 GMT
He doesnāt deserve a chance though. Thatās the issue. Get thee sen on the team bus chief. Sounds like you're a better keeper š 5 a side I probably am but not in the big goals. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 28, 2023 9:28:07 GMT
Get thee sen on the team bus chief. Sounds like you're a better keeper š 5 a side I probably am but not in the big goals. Its a crappy predicament but lets send the lad positive vibes. We need all the help we can get š |
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Oct 28, 2023 9:31:16 GMT
Pasting my comment from the other thread for a bit of objectivity: Expected goals prevented per 90 by Stoke goalkeepers since we got relegated, which is a measure of how many more or fewer goals a keeper let in compared to how a notional āaverage keeperā would fare against the same quality of chances faced. Positive numbers indicate the keeper prevented more goals than the average. Iāve included only keepers who played 10 or more full matches: Butland (18/19) +0.06 Davies (21/22) +0.06 Bonham (21/22) -0.04 Travers (23/24) -0.08 Bonham (22/23). -0.16 Bursik (20/21) -0.19 Davies (20/21) -0.21 Bursik (21/22) -0.23 Butland (18/20) -0.26 Bursik (22/23) -0.29 Bonus stat: Travers at Bournemouth (21/22) +0.07 Conclusions: - Our goalkeepers have generally been pretty crap at stopping shots - Bonham has been far from the worst offender So Bonham is better than Bursik and Butland! Must be why they extended his contract! š |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 28, 2023 9:32:11 GMT
Pasting my comment from the other thread for a bit of objectivity: Expected goals prevented per 90 by Stoke goalkeepers since we got relegated, which is a measure of how many more or fewer goals a keeper let in compared to how a notional āaverage keeperā would fare against the same quality of chances faced. Positive numbers indicate the keeper prevented more goals than the average. Iāve included only keepers who played 10 or more full matches: Butland (18/19) +0.06 Davies (21/22) +0.06 Bonham (21/22) -0.04 Travers (23/24) -0.08 Bonham (22/23). -0.16 Bursik (20/21) -0.19 Davies (20/21) -0.21 Bursik (21/22) -0.23 Butland (18/20) -0.26 Bursik (22/23) -0.29 Bonus stat: Travers at Bournemouth (21/22) +0.07 Conclusions: - Our goalkeepers have generally been pretty crap at stopping shots - Bonham has been far from the worst offender Not a fan of XG overall, but -0.29 a game is absolutely shocking from Bursik Seemed that every low shot would best Bursik |
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Post by luciani on Oct 28, 2023 9:32:40 GMT
Bonham needs our support. I'm sure he will do his best. MOTM today? I hope he has a worldy mate just to prove he's worthy of the shirt š You can see it now; He has a worldyā¦ we draw 0-0ā¦ Bayern criticises his distribution š |
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Post by foster on Oct 28, 2023 9:33:19 GMT
I'm more concerned about Laurent starting than Bonham.
Travers may be better but our league position and results before the last 2 games hardly suggest anything amazing.
We can win with or without Travers providing the rest of the team plays well.
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Post by superpotter on Oct 28, 2023 9:35:51 GMT
We havnt got much say in it have we . Jack Bonham is a Stoke City player we are all Stoke City fans . Come on Jack āāššš
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Post by yellowsnowman on Oct 28, 2023 9:48:44 GMT
Really poor keeper.
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Post by werrington on Oct 28, 2023 9:53:31 GMT
First one he conceded we'll get the Travers would gave saved that comment more than likely Always remind me of Mark Hughes first game at Liverpool away when we lost 1-0 and missed an injury time penaltyā¦.we had a thread saying Pulis wouldnāt of lost that even though just a few months earlier theyād tonked us 4-0 under Pulis š |
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Post by werrington on Oct 28, 2023 9:54:05 GMT
He's had loads of chances. He's a lower half league 1 standard keeper. Thatās not what heās saying though is it |
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Post by questionable on Oct 28, 2023 9:54:21 GMT
Heās had numerous chances and a lottery winner to be playing professionally.
Scandalous weāve let this bite us in the arse
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2023 9:57:27 GMT
He's had loads of chances. He's a lower half league 1 standard keeper. Thatās not what heās saying though is it The thread title is literally, let's give Jack a chance. |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 28, 2023 9:59:16 GMT
Too early in the morning for Negative waves
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Post by jhtstokie on Oct 28, 2023 10:00:13 GMT
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Post by J-Roar on Oct 28, 2023 10:06:57 GMT
He doesnāt deserve a chance though. Thatās the issue. Blimey Bayern this is a give the lad a chance thread not get the boot into him. Better not to engage. This is all about BO having the need to be proved right. Even if Bonham saved 8 penalties there would be a snide comment about failing to come for a corner. |
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Post by Picasso on Oct 28, 2023 10:08:05 GMT
a lottery winner to be playing professionally Heās not a first choice keeper, but heās nowhere near as bad as some are making out. Comments like this are pretty rubbish. Heās our player, heās going to be playing and this thread was set up as a more positive one. I sincerely hope the lad doesnāt read any of these comments / threads, because any confidence he might have had will be totally gone - What good is that going to be for the team?.. But then I suppose it will help to perpetuate some peopleās arguments and they can say how correct they are in stating that Bonham is āthe worst everā, āan idiotā and whatever other insults that have been flung his way in the last few hours (before heās even taken over from Travers). Give him a break! |
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Post by silsdenstokie on Oct 28, 2023 10:10:39 GMT
Yep, get gehind him
Some of the shit written about him in the last 24 hours is way over the top IMO
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