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Post by dirtygary69 on Oct 7, 2023 19:56:04 GMT
Sorry, merge if needed, but what’s going on with him? I know he was always going to be a slow burner but he’s been on the bench, what, virtually every game and never gets on? Is he just there because of how short we are? Is he just gaining match day experience (whatever the fuck that would be)? Just seems odd he’s not got on at all other than 5 mins v Rotherham in the cup given the attacking options we’ve been missing.
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Oct 7, 2023 19:57:02 GMT
I think he’s one for the future, and only making the bench because we don’t have enough bodies.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2023 20:09:12 GMT
No problems with jojic per se .
But odd ,we can spare a million quid for a youth team player
But NOT to get the Ben Davies ( Glasgow Rangers) or BTA ( wba ) deal over the line.
What's more important, first team players or youth team players?
BTA non signing, even more bizarre, as Luton had just given us the money to sign him.
Will jojic be more use to us than Davies or BTA ?
I doubt it, but I don't decide where the money is spent.
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Post by gingerninja on Oct 7, 2023 20:24:41 GMT
I see no reason at 2 - 0 down why he couldn't have been given 10 minutes.
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Post by stokecitydom on Oct 7, 2023 21:20:31 GMT
He may turn out to be a wonderful player for us, but it’s criminal that we spent the money on him as an obvious project, when there were some gaping holes in the squad that needed filling.
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Oct 7, 2023 21:26:53 GMT
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Post by Roger Everyone on Oct 7, 2023 21:26:53 GMT
No problems with jojic per se . But odd ,we can spare a million quid for a youth team player But NOT to get the Ben Davies ( Glasgow Rangers) or BTA ( wba ) deal over the line. What's more important, first team players or youth team players? BTA non signing, even more bizarre, as Luton had just given us the money to sign him. Will jojic be more use to us than Davies or BTA ? I doubt it, but I don't decide where the money is spent. BTA Would have been a great signing for us.
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Oct 7, 2023 21:29:41 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2023 21:29:41 GMT
No problems with jojic per se . But odd ,we can spare a million quid for a youth team player But NOT to get the Ben Davies ( Glasgow Rangers) or BTA ( wba ) deal over the line. What's more important, first team players or youth team players? BTA non signing, even more bizarre, as Luton had just given us the money to sign him. Will jojic be more use to us than Davies or BTA ? I doubt it, but I don't decide where the money is spent. Davies didn’t want to leave Rangers but I see your point. Far as I’m aware with Jojic was that he didn’t speak a word of English so it was gonna be a slow burner. Definite upside if it works out though and a year being around the squad learning from Vidi etc won’t do him any harm at all. He’s getting regular minutes with the U21s to acclimatise too.
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Oct 8, 2023 14:02:56 GMT
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Post by biddulphchav on Oct 8, 2023 14:02:56 GMT
It may turn out to be a good signing in time, but for the money involved, it’s not the type of signing we should have made this summer. We are well short of what’s needed in terms out our main squad, and don’t have the cash to be splashing around on gambles like this. It just goes to show that Ricky Martin’s MBA bollocks has fully landed on AN. We need players that can do it here and now because we simply don’t have enough of them, which is why we’re 21st in the league FFS.
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Oct 8, 2023 14:14:58 GMT
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Post by baconburger on Oct 8, 2023 14:14:58 GMT
No problems with jojic per se . But odd ,we can spare a million quid for a youth team player But NOT to get the Ben Davies ( Glasgow Rangers) or BTA ( wba ) deal over the line. What's more important, first team players or youth team players? BTA non signing, even more bizarre, as Luton had just given us the money to sign him. Will jojic be more use to us than Davies or BTA ? I doubt it, but I don't decide where the money is spent. The reality is that’s just not how it work’s especially when you’ve got so much to do. You identify your targets and do the deals as they become possible to complete. Not refuse to complete lower priority deals until you’ve done those other deals. I mean was Thomas-Asante even a target when we signed Jogic. Seems to me like Jared came in with these deals for high potential youngsters that were easier to conclude than the players AN wanted for the here and now. Being as we were bidding for those players on deadline day I don’t think it was lack of funds. Are you suggesting we should have just over payed for those players? Haven’t we been there before.
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Oct 8, 2023 17:03:47 GMT
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Post by cvillestokie on Oct 8, 2023 17:03:47 GMT
I see no reason at 2 - 0 down why he couldn't have been given 10 minutes. He’ll only integrate with the team and get used to the league if he actually plays in it.
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Oct 8, 2023 17:05:57 GMT
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Post by wilcopotter on Oct 8, 2023 17:05:57 GMT
Probably downs tools with Vidigal because he’s not happy with the state of things 🙄
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Post by tqstokie on Oct 8, 2023 17:10:44 GMT
When do players like Jojic and Sidibe actually get game time if they are always sitting unused on the first team bench?
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Oct 8, 2023 17:51:25 GMT
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Post by TinkerT on Oct 8, 2023 17:51:25 GMT
When do players like Jojic and Sidibe actually get game time if they are always sitting unused on the first team bench? Sidibe would start for me. Our only midfielder who's got the energy we need and always looking forward
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Oct 9, 2023 7:32:02 GMT
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 9, 2023 7:32:02 GMT
No problems with jojic per se . But odd ,we can spare a million quid for a youth team player But NOT to get the Ben Davies ( Glasgow Rangers) or BTA ( wba ) deal over the line. What's more important, first team players or youth team players? BTA non signing, even more bizarre, as Luton had just given us the money to sign him. Will jojic be more use to us than Davies or BTA ? I doubt it, but I don't decide where the money is spent. Ben Davies didn't want to come did he rather than we were being stingy? There's more to signings than just money, we've also been bottom half of the Champ for some time, we aren't a very big pull and I don't blame him for wanting to stick it out.
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Post by nott1 on Oct 9, 2023 7:46:08 GMT
No problems with jojic per se . But odd ,we can spare a million quid for a youth team player But NOT to get the Ben Davies ( Glasgow Rangers) or BTA ( wba ) deal over the line. What's more important, first team players or youth team players? BTA non signing, even more bizarre, as Luton had just given us the money to sign him. Will jojic be more use to us than Davies or BTA ? I doubt it, but I don't decide where the money is spent. BTA Would have been a great signing for us. As I've said all along this was pure penny pinching for the sake of circa half a million and boy what a difference he would have made to us!
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Oct 9, 2023 7:55:26 GMT
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Oct 9, 2023 7:55:26 GMT
Think jojic needs 6 months building up in the gym before he's ready for the championship physically.
I agree its criminal we penny pinched with BTA and didn't get a commanding CB in.
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Oct 9, 2023 10:22:19 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2023 10:22:19 GMT
Think jojic needs 6 months building up in the gym before he's ready for the championship physically. I agree its criminal we penny pinched with BTA and didn't get a commanding CB in. It was penny pinching, over a crucial signing. It was public knowledge that Luton had given us the money to sign him and he was the lad we wanted to replace Brown. So in the circumstances, there is no way, that west brom , despite needing the cash, were going to let him go to cheap to Stoke . They knew for a fact Luton had just given us the money to sign him! Wanted to argue the toss over half a million ( maybe a million?) For the crucial first team Brown replacement. But happy to spend that kind of money for a youth team player.
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Post by baconburger on Oct 10, 2023 9:22:40 GMT
Think jojic needs 6 months building up in the gym before he's ready for the championship physically. I agree its criminal we penny pinched with BTA and didn't get a commanding CB in. It was penny pinching, over a crucial signing. It was public knowledge that Luton had given us the money to sign him and he was the lad we wanted to replace Brown. So in the circumstances, there is no way, that west brom , despite needing the cash, were going to let him go to cheap to Stoke . They knew for a fact Luton had just given us the money to sign him! Wanted to argue the toss over half a million ( maybe a million?) For the crucial first team Brown replacement. But happy to spend that kind of money for a youth team player. That’s complete and utter nonsense. We hadn’t even been linked with Thomas-Asante when we signed Jogic. The two deals have absolutely nothing to do with each other. We’d obviously set a limit on what we were willing to pay for BTA and depending on what you believe either WBA would not compromise or did so too late. Makes me laugh how some folk just want to say oh yeah pay another £1M isn’t that like going to buy a car you’ve researched a value on as £5,000 and going on to pay £10,000. He must have been something like option K on our list of striker targets and bids were only made in the final couple of days of the window. It’s not even like he was that car we just really really wanted.
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Post by idle on Oct 10, 2023 9:54:49 GMT
It was penny pinching, over a crucial signing. It was public knowledge that Luton had given us the money to sign him and he was the lad we wanted to replace Brown. So in the circumstances, there is no way, that west brom , despite needing the cash, were going to let him go to cheap to Stoke . They knew for a fact Luton had just given us the money to sign him! Wanted to argue the toss over half a million ( maybe a million?) For the crucial first team Brown replacement. But happy to spend that kind of money for a youth team player. That’s complete and utter nonsense. We hadn’t even been linked with Thomas-Asante when we signed Jogic. The two deals have absolutely nothing to do with each other. We’d obviously set a limit on what we were willing to pay for BTA and depending on what you believe either WBA would not compromise or did so too late. Makes me laugh how some folk just want to say oh yeah pay another £1M isn’t that like going to buy a car you’ve researched a value on as £5,000 and going on to pay £10,000. He must have been something like option K on our list of striker targets and bids were only made in the final couple of days of the window. It’s not even like he was that car we just really really wanted. Plus, he's not really that good. 2 goals, 1 assist in 10 matches so far. 7 goals in 33 matches last season. He's worse than Brown!!
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Oct 10, 2023 10:12:08 GMT
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Post by baconburger on Oct 10, 2023 10:12:08 GMT
That’s complete and utter nonsense. We hadn’t even been linked with Thomas-Asante when we signed Jogic. The two deals have absolutely nothing to do with each other. We’d obviously set a limit on what we were willing to pay for BTA and depending on what you believe either WBA would not compromise or did so too late. Makes me laugh how some folk just want to say oh yeah pay another £1M isn’t that like going to buy a car you’ve researched a value on as £5,000 and going on to pay £10,000. He must have been something like option K on our list of striker targets and bids were only made in the final couple of days of the window. It’s not even like he was that car we just really really wanted. Plus, he's not really that good. 2 goals, 1 assist in 10 matches so far. 7 goals in 33 matches last season. He's worse than Brown!! Having watched him a few times I can confidently say he isn’t worse than Brown and is significantly better than Wesley and would chip in with a few goals but become a goal machine I don’t know. We were after a lead the line striker who could give us an aerial option, he was a reasonable shout and ticks a lot of boxes not sure whether he’d have been a better option than Keinan Davis but he wouldn't have been prolific either. Essentially that player was meant to help others score more goals most of whom are injured anyway so wouldn’t have helped massively but somehow we ended up with this one trick pony that can’t even hold down a place during an injury crisis.
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Oct 10, 2023 10:17:40 GMT
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Post by ian57 on Oct 10, 2023 10:17:40 GMT
I think he’s one for the future, and only making the bench because we don’t have enough bodies. he will tear up league 1 next season.
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Post by idle on Oct 10, 2023 10:23:05 GMT
Plus, he's not really that good. 2 goals, 1 assist in 10 matches so far. 7 goals in 33 matches last season. He's worse than Brown!! Having watched him a few times I can confidently say he isn’t worse than Brown and is significantly better than Wesley and would chip in with a few goals but become a goal machine I don’t know. We were after a lead the line striker who could give us an aerial option, he was a reasonable shout and ticks a lot of boxes not sure whether he’d have been a better option than Keinan Davis but he wouldn't have been prolific either. Essentially that player was meant to help others score more goals most of whom are injured anyway so wouldn’t have helped massively but somehow we ended up with this one trick pony that can’t even hold down a place during an injury crisis. Luton seems to have disagreed with you, but they may of course have been after a different type of player. The few matches I've seen him play, his first touch is worse and his work rate a bit worse, but he's stronger and quicker. Not the same type of striker as Wesley either, but I have serious doubts he'd have been a good enough "no.9" for us.
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Oct 10, 2023 10:38:40 GMT
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Post by baconburger on Oct 10, 2023 10:38:40 GMT
Having watched him a few times I can confidently say he isn’t worse than Brown and is significantly better than Wesley and would chip in with a few goals but become a goal machine I don’t know. We were after a lead the line striker who could give us an aerial option, he was a reasonable shout and ticks a lot of boxes not sure whether he’d have been a better option than Keinan Davis but he wouldn't have been prolific either. Essentially that player was meant to help others score more goals most of whom are injured anyway so wouldn’t have helped massively but somehow we ended up with this one trick pony that can’t even hold down a place during an injury crisis. Luton seems to have disagreed with you, but they may of course have been after a different type of player. The few matches I've seen him play, his first touch is worse and his work rate a bit worse, but he's stronger and quicker. Not the same type of striker as Wesley either, but I have serious doubts he'd have been a good enough "no.9" for us. First thing I want to know about a striker whether he’s strong or quick and you’re saying he’s both but not good enough for us as a No9 😂😂😂😂
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Oct 10, 2023 11:26:43 GMT
Post by idle on Oct 10, 2023 11:26:43 GMT
Luton seems to have disagreed with you, but they may of course have been after a different type of player. The few matches I've seen him play, his first touch is worse and his work rate a bit worse, but he's stronger and quicker. Not the same type of striker as Wesley either, but I have serious doubts he'd have been a good enough "no.9" for us. First thing I want to know about a striker whether he’s strong or quick and you’re saying he’s both but not good enough for us as a No9 😂😂😂😂 Usain Bolt didn't do much at ManU, did he? A no. 9 need to do a whole lot more than run and bully (which incidentally is what I think Thomas-Assante mostly does).
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Oct 10, 2023 19:07:36 GMT
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Post by baconburger on Oct 10, 2023 19:07:36 GMT
First thing I want to know about a striker whether he’s strong or quick and you’re saying he’s both but not good enough for us as a No9 😂😂😂😂 Usain Bolt didn't do much at ManU, did he? A no. 9 need to do a whole lot more than run and bully (which incidentally is what I think Thomas-Assante mostly does). You’re off your head. Pace plus strength equals a pretty decent striker. A bully with pace and you’re not sure you want him. Maybe you should start listing the attributes of the strikers we have and see how they match up. Can’t work out whether you’re on the wind up or just a complete knob jockey.
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Oct 10, 2023 19:54:03 GMT
Post by idle on Oct 10, 2023 19:54:03 GMT
Usain Bolt didn't do much at ManU, did he? A no. 9 need to do a whole lot more than run and bully (which incidentally is what I think Thomas-Assante mostly does). You’re off your head. Pace plus strength equals a pretty decent striker. A bully with pace and you’re not sure you want him. Maybe you should start listing the attributes of the strikers we have and see how they match up. Can’t work out whether you’re on the wind up or just a complete knob jockey. I'm off my head? You want a fucking fast donkey that can't pass, dribble or shoot up front? What is this? League Two? I've seen enough of pacy strong strikers missing sitters in my life to know that's not what I want. Pace and strength isn't the end all of strikers. They have to do more today, as shown by the stats of your beloved Assante. He's a bang average championship striker.
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Oct 10, 2023 20:00:05 GMT
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Post by baconburger on Oct 10, 2023 20:00:05 GMT
You’re off your head. Pace plus strength equals a pretty decent striker. A bully with pace and you’re not sure you want him. Maybe you should start listing the attributes of the strikers we have and see how they match up. Can’t work out whether you’re on the wind up or just a complete knob jockey. I'm off my head? You want a fucking fast donkey that can't pass, dribble or shoot up front? What is this? League Two? I've seen enough of pacy strong strikers missing sitters in my life to know that's not what I want. Pace and strength isn't the end all of strikers. They have to do more today, as shown by the stats of your beloved Assante. He's a bang average championship striker. How is he my beloved Asante when I’m saying he’s option K on the striker to get list ? He’s got better attributes than Brown and a ton more attributes than Wesley though that’s not difficult. Pace and strength really is the be all and end all of strikers everything else is a bonus. When did we last have a striker with pace and strength?
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Oct 10, 2023 20:13:53 GMT
Post by idle on Oct 10, 2023 20:13:53 GMT
I'm off my head? You want a fucking fast donkey that can't pass, dribble or shoot up front? What is this? League Two? I've seen enough of pacy strong strikers missing sitters in my life to know that's not what I want. Pace and strength isn't the end all of strikers. They have to do more today, as shown by the stats of your beloved Assante. He's a bang average championship striker. How is he my beloved Asante when I’m saying he’s option K on the striker to get list ? He’s got better attributes than Brown and a ton more attributes than Wesley though that’s not difficult. Pace and strength really is the be all and end all of strikers everything else is a bonus. When did we last have a striker with pace and strength? We'll just have to disagree then. The last striker we had that was pacy and strong was Afobe, and he did the nether regions of fuckall for us. A striker needs to do much more than just run and bully, unless your in League Two.
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Oct 10, 2023 21:14:45 GMT
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Post by Gary Hackett on Oct 10, 2023 21:14:45 GMT
A player we didn't need to spend a million quid on.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 10, 2023 21:23:47 GMT
A player we didn't need to spend a million quid on. Investing in young players is never a bad thing and what people have been crying out for in the past.
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