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Post by Gary Hackett on Oct 10, 2023 21:27:33 GMT
A player we didn't need to spend a million quid on. Investing in young players is never a bad thing and what people have been crying out for in the past. Not at the detriment of other key positions. You only sign players like this once you've got your squad into shape, it's a luxury we can't afford and will probably be a million quid down the drain.
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Post by professorplump on Oct 11, 2023 0:37:55 GMT
Investing in young players is never a bad thing and what people have been crying out for in the past. Not at the detriment of other key positions. You only sign players like this once you've got your squad into shape, it's a luxury we can't afford and will probably be a million quid down the drain. I don't think it was at the detriment of other positions. It's not as though we couldn't sign a CB because we had signed Jojic.
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Post by baconburger on Oct 11, 2023 3:47:29 GMT
A player we didn't need to spend a million quid on. Investing in young players is never a bad thing and what people have been crying out for in the past. Exactly it’s where your next Collins and Souttar come from. What would we have to spend if we hadn’t invested small amounts in them?
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Oct 11, 2023 5:19:19 GMT
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Post by peepin on Oct 11, 2023 5:19:19 GMT
I see no reason at 2 - 0 down why he couldn't have been given 10 minutes. I couldn’t see why we had to wait until 88 minutes before we brought anyone one. I can’t understand also why we absolutely must be getting battered for 40-50 minutes of each game, have to go at least 1 goal down if not 2 before he makes changes.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 11, 2023 6:39:07 GMT
Investing in young players is never a bad thing and what people have been crying out for in the past. Not at the detriment of other key positions. You only sign players like this once you've got your squad into shape, it's a luxury we can't afford and will probably be a million quid down the drain. Where has anyone said it was at the detriment of other positions, from what I've seen (no inside info) we were still trying to sign a CB up until the deadline and it didn't come off so had zero effect. Clearly we can afford it and need to as these kinds of players are the future of this club either directly by playing or indirectly by funding the squad when they're sold.
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Oct 11, 2023 6:56:05 GMT
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Post by BraveSirRobin on Oct 11, 2023 6:56:05 GMT
I see no reason at 2 - 0 down why he couldn't have been given 10 minutes. I couldn’t see why we had to wait until 88 minutes before we brought anyone one. I can’t understand also why we absolutely must be getting battered for 40-50 minutes of each game, have to go at least 1 goal down if not 2 before he makes changes. There haven't been many games where we have been battered for 40-50 mins.
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Post by march4 on Oct 11, 2023 7:07:08 GMT
Serious questions need to be asked of our recruitment manager.
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Post by Clem Fandango on Oct 11, 2023 8:07:45 GMT
Of all the things to give the club a kicking over signing a young serbian winger is not one of them.
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Post by thornestein on Oct 11, 2023 18:06:59 GMT
Serious questions need to be asked of our recruitment manager. that will be Neil then , he’s already said he gets the final say
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Oct 11, 2023 19:20:18 GMT
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Oct 11, 2023 19:20:18 GMT
Not at the detriment of other key positions. You only sign players like this once you've got your squad into shape, it's a luxury we can't afford and will probably be a million quid down the drain. Where has anyone said it was at the detriment of other positions, from what I've seen (no inside info) we were still trying to sign a CB up until the deadline and it didn't come off so had zero effect. Clearly we can afford it and need to as these kinds of players are the future of this club either directly by playing or indirectly by funding the squad when they're sold. I'll bet we weren't far off from a couple of key signings but wouldn't cough up the bit extra, meanwhile we spend this money on a promising lad that we're not using. It just seems like we hit the self destruct button again. If we'd signed a proven striker, in the last two games alone he'd have got us level against leicester second half, and we would have at least taken a point against Southampton. Games at Millwall, at home to hull and Preston stick in the mind as games we flushed down the toilet because we didn't have a competent striker or center back.
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Post by lordb on Oct 11, 2023 20:00:50 GMT
Where has anyone said it was at the detriment of other positions, from what I've seen (no inside info) we were still trying to sign a CB up until the deadline and it didn't come off so had zero effect. Clearly we can afford it and need to as these kinds of players are the future of this club either directly by playing or indirectly by funding the squad when they're sold. I'll bet we weren't far off from a couple of key signings but wouldn't cough up the bit extra, meanwhile we spend this money on a promising lad that we're not using. It just seems like we hit the self destruct button again. If we'd signed a proven striker, in the last two games alone he'd have got us level against leicester second half, and we would have at least taken a point against Southampton. Games at Millwall, at home to hull and Preston stick in the mind as games we flushed down the toilet because we didn't have a competent striker or center back. Focusing too much on the fee Everything else about this deal will have been very cheap Signing Jojic has in no way prevented other deals being done Stoke should have signed two more defenders one way or another by deadline day Having failed to do that Stoke should have made the best of it by using the free agent market within days of the window Instead there was an unforgivable gamble that we could get away with 2 CB's which was an absurd decision Plus of course they let 3 young defenders out on loan on deadline day
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Oct 11, 2023 20:37:28 GMT
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Post by peepin on Oct 11, 2023 20:37:28 GMT
I couldn’t see why we had to wait until 88 minutes before we brought anyone one. I can’t understand also why we absolutely must be getting battered for 40-50 minutes of each game, have to go at least 1 goal down if not 2 before he makes changes. There haven't been many games where we have been battered for 40-50 mins. Oh right, must be going to different games then.
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Oct 11, 2023 22:32:52 GMT
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Post by BraveSirRobin on Oct 11, 2023 22:32:52 GMT
There haven't been many games where we have been battered for 40-50 mins. Oh right, must be going to different games then. Go on...give me the games where we've been battered for 50 mins.
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Post by sensiblestokie on Oct 11, 2023 23:42:42 GMT
Some of the garbage we’ve thrown 5-10m at who’ve played I can’t believe we’re upset at a mill on a youngster.
Good grief.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 13, 2023 8:52:50 GMT
Where has anyone said it was at the detriment of other positions, from what I've seen (no inside info) we were still trying to sign a CB up until the deadline and it didn't come off so had zero effect. Clearly we can afford it and need to as these kinds of players are the future of this club either directly by playing or indirectly by funding the squad when they're sold. I'll bet we weren't far off from a couple of key signings but wouldn't cough up the bit extra, meanwhile we spend this money on a promising lad that we're not using. It just seems like we hit the self destruct button again. If we'd signed a proven striker, in the last two games alone he'd have got us level against leicester second half, and we would have at least taken a point against Southampton. Games at Millwall, at home to hull and Preston stick in the mind as games we flushed down the toilet because we didn't have a competent striker or center back. So you're guessing and using it as a stick to beat the club with. I agree we need another striker and obviously a CB but there's nothing to suggest signing a young player has stopped that from happening.
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Post by nottsover60 on Oct 13, 2023 9:33:39 GMT
Where has anyone said it was at the detriment of other positions, from what I've seen (no inside info) we were still trying to sign a CB up until the deadline and it didn't come off so had zero effect. Clearly we can afford it and need to as these kinds of players are the future of this club either directly by playing or indirectly by funding the squad when they're sold. I'll bet we weren't far off from a couple of key signings but wouldn't cough up the bit extra, meanwhile we spend this money on a promising lad that we're not using. It just seems like we hit the self destruct button again. If we'd signed a proven striker, in the last two games alone he'd have got us level against leicester second half, and we would have at least taken a point against Southampton. Games at Millwall, at home to hull and Preston stick in the mind as games we flushed down the toilet because we didn't have a competent striker or center back. Wesley was the proven striker and has done the job we bought him for (holding up the ball, target man when we have to go long or to see out a game) well enough but because of injuries has had to play more often than we wanted. If Mmaee, Campbell and Vidigal had stayed fit there were plenty of goals there. Saying we should have signed a proven striker as well is pie in the sky. The best we could have hoped for would have been a journeyman who would have been much like Gayle. There would now be uproar because he'd not scored and was blocking the chances of Lowe and Tezgel. Centre back is a puzzle I would agree, releasing Fox (who realistically might not have wanted to stay) and Taylor then sending our two best academy centre halves out on loan just indicates that we were confident of getting another centre half which never happened.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Oct 13, 2023 9:57:29 GMT
Did he get on for Serbia U-21's against England last night?
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Oct 13, 2023 10:04:15 GMT
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Post by bertiestan on Oct 13, 2023 10:04:15 GMT
Did he get on for Serbia U-21's against England last night? Yes
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Post by theporcelainpele on Oct 13, 2023 10:14:30 GMT
He got on for 6 minutes (subbed on 84’), England then proceeded to score 3 more goals after this. I thought this lad was the absolute cream of Serbian youth football, paying a farmers club over a million pounds for his services whilst our first team is thread bare after 2 months of football! I’m worried that this lad can’t get in a Serbia u21 team that was pummelled by England 9 (Nine) - 1 tbh. Is he another that played well on one of Jared’s games of fifa when he had the lads round?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 13, 2023 10:25:35 GMT
He got on for 6 minutes (subbed on 84’), England then proceeded to score 3 more goals after this. I thought this lad was the absolute cream of Serbian youth football, paying a farmers club over a million pounds for his services whilst our first team is thread bare after 2 months of football! I’m worried that this lad can’t get in a Serbia u21 team that was pummelled by England 9 (Nine) - 1 tbh. Is he another that played well on one of Jared’s games of fifa when he had the lads round? Vidigal seems to have worked out if that's how he's choosing them.... But yeh let's write him off after a six min sub appearance.
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Post by somersetpotter on Oct 13, 2023 11:22:52 GMT
The comments on here are embarrassing. It's a young player with huge potential and he was coveted by some big clubs across the continent. We're writing him off after a few minutes on the pitch when they said all along that this was a player for the future.
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Oct 13, 2023 11:54:05 GMT
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Post by theporcelainpele on Oct 13, 2023 11:54:05 GMT
Huge potential but can’t get into a cannon fodder Serbian team at the peak of his u21 age level. Sounds great
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Oct 13, 2023 11:55:14 GMT
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Post by theporcelainpele on Oct 13, 2023 11:55:14 GMT
He got on for 6 minutes (subbed on 84’), England then proceeded to score 3 more goals after this. I thought this lad was the absolute cream of Serbian youth football, paying a farmers club over a million pounds for his services whilst our first team is thread bare after 2 months of football! I’m worried that this lad can’t get in a Serbia u21 team that was pummelled by England 9 (Nine) - 1 tbh. Is he another that played well on one of Jared’s games of fifa when he had the lads round? Vidigal seems to have worked out if that's how he's choosing them.... But yeh let's write him off after a six min sub appearance. Has he? I’ve only seen him for a few minutes. The paper made saviour has been injured for weeks and weeks after one hard tackle at millwall.
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Oct 13, 2023 12:09:31 GMT
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Post by a on Oct 13, 2023 12:09:31 GMT
This epitomises the need for some on here to moan regardless of how stupid it sounds. Incredible….
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Oct 13, 2023 12:20:20 GMT
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Post by theporcelainpele on Oct 13, 2023 12:20:20 GMT
Yeah you are right, my bad, moaning like this. I sound like we are 21st in the second division don’t I!
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Post by LphPotter on Oct 13, 2023 12:23:49 GMT
He got on for 6 minutes (subbed on 84’), England then proceeded to score 3 more goals after this. I thought this lad was the absolute cream of Serbian youth football, paying a farmers club over a million pounds for his services whilst our first team is thread bare after 2 months of football! I’m worried that this lad can’t get in a Serbia u21 team that was pummelled by England 9 (Nine) - 1 tbh. Is he another that played well on one of Jared’s games of fifa when he had the lads round? What an embarrassing and pathetic post. The two players who played on the wing for Serbia last night have both played in the champions league this season, as well as both having played for the Serbian first team.
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Oct 13, 2023 12:37:45 GMT
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Post by theporcelainpele on Oct 13, 2023 12:37:45 GMT
He got on for 6 minutes (subbed on 84’), England then proceeded to score 3 more goals after this. I thought this lad was the absolute cream of Serbian youth football, paying a farmers club over a million pounds for his services whilst our first team is thread bare after 2 months of football! I’m worried that this lad can’t get in a Serbia u21 team that was pummelled by England 9 (Nine) - 1 tbh. Is he another that played well on one of Jared’s games of fifa when he had the lads round? What an embarrassing and pathetic post. The two players who played on the wing for Serbia last night have both played in the champions league this season, as well as both having played for the Serbian first team. Says a lot about purchasing Serbian players and bringing them to England then. Obviously levels and levels lower. It’s ok though we’ll spend over a million on one and never play him until league one. Happy clapper FC onwards!
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Post by nottsover60 on Oct 13, 2023 13:20:27 GMT
What an embarrassing and pathetic post. The two players who played on the wing for Serbia last night have both played in the champions league this season, as well as both having played for the Serbian first team. Says a lot about purchasing Serbian players and bringing them to England then. Obviously levels and levels lower. It’s ok though we’ll spend over a million on one and never play him until league one. Happy clapper FC onwards! I thought it was said when we bought him that he would predominantly be an u21 player this season and might get first team minutes as well. He is just 20 and has left his home and family to come to a country whose language he doesn't speak. Then after two months our fans label him a failure? I suggest you look at how much the much envied Brighton football club spend on players for their u21 team. Caceido cost them €28 million as an unknown twenty year old in February 2021, made his debut six months later in an early cup game before going on loan in Belgium until January 22. He then established himself in the Brighton team before his big money move to Chelsea. If we want to follow Brighton's sort of transfer model we have to accept that we are going to spend millions on players for the u21's, many of whom won't make it but the ones who do could make us a big profit.
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Oct 13, 2023 14:09:23 GMT
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Post by theporcelainpele on Oct 13, 2023 14:09:23 GMT
Says a lot about purchasing Serbian players and bringing them to England then. Obviously levels and levels lower. It’s ok though we’ll spend over a million on one and never play him until league one. Happy clapper FC onwards! I thought it was said when we bought him that he would predominantly be an u21 player this season and might get first team minutes as well. He is just 20 and has left his home and family to come to a country whose language he doesn't speak. Then after two months our fans label him a failure? I suggest you look at how much the much envied Brighton football club spend on players for their u21 team. Caceido cost them €28 million as an unknown twenty year old in February 2021, made his debut six months later in an early cup game before going on loan in Belgium until January 22. He then established himself in the Brighton team before his big money move to Chelsea. If we want to follow Brighton's sort of transfer model we have to accept that we are going to spend millions on players for the u21's, many of whom won't make it but the ones who do could make us a big profit. You are comparing chalk and cheese clubs I’m afraid at the moment. Didn’t we try the ‘Brentford model’ when we hired a young youtuber from Millwall. That failed miserably, now we are onto the ‘Brighton Model’ eh. Ooooh I wonder how well this one will go as we stare into the depths of league 1 whilst witnessing defeat after defeat. I swear 90% of our fans have the footballing IQ of an ant with not one chance of them waking up to reality. To model your club around Brighton the first thing you need to do is play the Brighton way, not some abysmal hashed up rubbish that was dreamt up in Hamilton, Scotland by a lower end championship plodder. Trying desperately to become Brentford or Brighton, who’d have thought that a few years ago. Brilliant.
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Oct 13, 2023 15:35:58 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2023 15:35:58 GMT
He got on for 6 minutes (subbed on 84’), England then proceeded to score 3 more goals after this. I thought this lad was the absolute cream of Serbian youth football, paying a farmers club over a million pounds for his services whilst our first team is thread bare after 2 months of football! I’m worried that this lad can’t get in a Serbia u21 team that was pummelled by England 9 (Nine) - 1 tbh. Is he another that played well on one of Jared’s games of fifa when he had the lads round? Vidigal seems to have worked out if that's how he's choosing them.... But yeh let's write him off after a six min sub appearance. Vidigal is 25 and the Portuguese Primera Liga is like the premier League compared to Serbian football. Vidigal is also stocky in a shaqiri , kind of way . Not huge but looks like he is no stranger to the gym. Since you mention Vidigal, we have paid twice as much for jojic as we did for vidigal. Is jojic really worth more money than vidigal? I doubt it.
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