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Jojic
Oct 13, 2023 16:14:56 GMT
Post by nottsover60 on Oct 13, 2023 16:14:56 GMT
I thought it was said when we bought him that he would predominantly be an u21 player this season and might get first team minutes as well. He is just 20 and has left his home and family to come to a country whose language he doesn't speak. Then after two months our fans label him a failure? I suggest you look at how much the much envied Brighton football club spend on players for their u21 team. Caceido cost them €28 million as an unknown twenty year old in February 2021, made his debut six months later in an early cup game before going on loan in Belgium until January 22. He then established himself in the Brighton team before his big money move to Chelsea. If we want to follow Brighton's sort of transfer model we have to accept that we are going to spend millions on players for the u21's, many of whom won't make it but the ones who do could make us a big profit. You are comparing chalk and cheese clubs I’m afraid at the moment. Didn’t we try the ‘Brentford model’ when we hired a young youtuber from Millwall. That failed miserably, now we are onto the ‘Brighton Model’ eh. Ooooh I wonder how well this one will go as we stare into the depths of league 1 whilst witnessing defeat after defeat. I swear 90% of our fans have the footballing IQ of an ant with not one chance of them waking up to reality. To model your club around Brighton the first thing you need to do is play the Brighton way, not some abysmal hashed up rubbish that was dreamt up in Hamilton, Scotland by a lower end championship plodder. Trying desperately to become Brentford or Brighton, who’d have thought that a few years ago. Brilliant. Can you explain please what you mean by we 'have to play the Brighton way'? I am talking about recruiting players in the Brighton way. That means recruiting and investing in players for the future so I don't see what that has to do with style of football. You recruit for your style of play. You recruit players who you think you can develop into your type of player. The club spent all of their time in the Premier recruiting players who were for the present and were either on the decline, had failed to make it at a higher level or who had lost their way. In the end none of those players barring Arnautovic increased their value at Stoke and towards the end most were a lead weight round the club's neck and dragged us to relegation. People complaining about investing €1 million in Jojic for the future instead of a journeyman forward are asking us to continue along the same route. Gayle is a huge dead weight. I merely quote Brighton who recruit for large amounts of money in players they think they can develop. I have no idea who decides which players they recruit but I feel certain it is not the manager. Caceido is an example of a player they bought for a frightening amount of money for a twenty year old and makes the money we have invested in Jojic look like peanuts and not all of their investments succeed either. Brentford are the same as Brighton. They don't recruit star names. Compare that to our recruitment under Pulis and Hughes where we seemed to actively seek out famous players many of whom failed just as our current young players may. But to say we can't use the same, recruitment model as Brentford or Brighton because we don't play in the same way seems bizarre.
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Jojic
Oct 13, 2023 17:42:43 GMT
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 13, 2023 17:42:43 GMT
Vidigal seems to have worked out if that's how he's choosing them.... But yeh let's write him off after a six min sub appearance. Has he? I’ve only seen him for a few minutes. The paper made saviour has been injured for weeks and weeks after one hard tackle at millwall. 5 matches 4 goals not good enough for you?
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Jojic
Oct 13, 2023 17:42:45 GMT
Post by luke2u on Oct 13, 2023 17:42:45 GMT
He did nothing wrong after coming on. The defence f***ed up for all three goals when he played.
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Jojic
Oct 13, 2023 17:43:33 GMT
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 13, 2023 17:43:33 GMT
Vidigal seems to have worked out if that's how he's choosing them.... But yeh let's write him off after a six min sub appearance. Vidigal is 25 and the Portuguese Primera Liga is like the premier League compared to Serbian football. Vidigal is also stocky in a shaqiri , kind of way . Not huge but looks like he is no stranger to the gym. Since you mention Vidigal, we have paid twice as much for jojic as we did for vidigal. Is jojic really worth more money than vidigal? I doubt it. Who knows, he's clearly been brought in with long term in mind.
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Jojic
Oct 13, 2023 19:18:35 GMT
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Post by theporcelainpele on Oct 13, 2023 19:18:35 GMT
Vidigal is 25 and the Portuguese Primera Liga is like the premier League compared to Serbian football. Vidigal is also stocky in a shaqiri , kind of way . Not huge but looks like he is no stranger to the gym. Since you mention Vidigal, we have paid twice as much for jojic as we did for vidigal. Is jojic really worth more money than vidigal? I doubt it. Who knows, he's clearly been brought in with long term in mind. That’s a brilliant plan when our first team is horrendous and league 1 standard! Well done City!!
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Jojic
Oct 13, 2023 19:19:53 GMT
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Post by theporcelainpele on Oct 13, 2023 19:19:53 GMT
Has he? I’ve only seen him for a few minutes. The paper made saviour has been injured for weeks and weeks after one hard tackle at millwall. 5 matches 4 goals not good enough for you? The 5 matches part isn’t, No! Like I said, one big, clean tackle in English football and out for weeks on end. Great.
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Jojic
Oct 13, 2023 19:23:58 GMT
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Post by theporcelainpele on Oct 13, 2023 19:23:58 GMT
He did nothing wrong after coming on. The defence f***ed up for all three goals when he played. I never said he did. I said that he can’t get into a Serbian team that just got pummelled 9 (NINE) - 1! a team that managed to concede 3 goals in 6 minutes at international level since he came on which is the worrying part. If he cost 100k from farmland fc then I’d be sound with it. He cost over a million pounds whilst our defence and midfield look like the Dog and Duck Sunday team! The club stinks.
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Jojic
Oct 13, 2023 21:01:00 GMT
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 13, 2023 21:01:00 GMT
Who knows, he's clearly been brought in with long term in mind. That’s a brilliant plan when our first team is horrendous and league 1 standard! Well done City!! 😂 Hope you've got your lottery tickets ready.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 13, 2023 21:02:10 GMT
5 matches 4 goals not good enough for you? The 5 matches part isn’t, No! Like I said, one big, clean tackle in English football and out for weeks on end. Great. One clean tackle 😄, stop making yourself look an idiot, I'm sure you're not one.
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Jojic
Oct 13, 2023 21:13:53 GMT
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Post by theporcelainpele on Oct 13, 2023 21:13:53 GMT
The 5 matches part isn’t, No! Like I said, one big, clean tackle in English football and out for weeks on end. Great. One clean tackle 😄, stop making yourself look an idiot, I'm sure you're not one. It was, or are you one of these modern day wet wipes that would roll around for ages squealing at the ref, because judging by your posts you are exactly that. Pathetic gimp.
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Jojic
Oct 13, 2023 21:16:26 GMT
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 13, 2023 21:16:26 GMT
One clean tackle 😄, stop making yourself look an idiot, I'm sure you're not one. It was, or are you one of these modern day wet wipes that would roll around for ages squealing at the ref, because judging by your posts you are exactly that. Pathetic gimp. He was targeted, exactly what I would do as an oppo manager, it wasn't "one clean tackle".
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Jojic
Oct 13, 2023 21:18:36 GMT
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Post by theporcelainpele on Oct 13, 2023 21:18:36 GMT
It was, or are you one of these modern day wet wipes that would roll around for ages squealing at the ref, because judging by your posts you are exactly that. Pathetic gimp. He was targeted, exactly what I would do as an oppo manager, it wasn't "one clean tackle". Lend him one of your tampons next game then captain clapper.
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Jojic
Oct 13, 2023 21:19:13 GMT
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 13, 2023 21:19:13 GMT
He was targeted, exactly what I would do as an oppo manager, it wasn't "one clean tackle". Lend him one of your tampons next game then captain clapper. 😂 Come on, you can do better than that.
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Jojic
Oct 13, 2023 21:27:56 GMT
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Post by theporcelainpele on Oct 13, 2023 21:27:56 GMT
Lend him one of your tampons next game then captain clapper. 😂 Come on, you can do better than that. Neargh, you’ll have to beg for Sarah Millican tickets again to get better than that I’m afraid.
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Jojic
Oct 13, 2023 22:47:59 GMT
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 13, 2023 22:47:59 GMT
😂 Come on, you can do better than that. Neargh, you’ll have to beg for Sarah Millican tickets again to get better than that I’m afraid. I doubt anyone would need to beg for Millican tickets.
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Jojic
Oct 14, 2023 6:59:51 GMT
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Post by baconburger on Oct 14, 2023 6:59:51 GMT
I'll bet we weren't far off from a couple of key signings but wouldn't cough up the bit extra, meanwhile we spend this money on a promising lad that we're not using. It just seems like we hit the self destruct button again. If we'd signed a proven striker, in the last two games alone he'd have got us level against leicester second half, and we would have at least taken a point against Southampton. Games at Millwall, at home to hull and Preston stick in the mind as games we flushed down the toilet because we didn't have a competent striker or center back. Wesley was the proven striker and has done the job we bought him for (holding up the ball, target man when we have to go long or to see out a game) well enough but because of injuries has had to play more often than we wanted. If Mmaee, Campbell and Vidigal had stayed fit there were plenty of goals there. Saying we should have signed a proven striker as well is pie in the sky. The best we could have hoped for would have been a journeyman who would have been much like Gayle. There would now be uproar because he'd not scored and was blocking the chances of Lowe and Tezgel. Centre back is a puzzle I would agree, releasing Fox (who realistically might not have wanted to stay) and Taylor then sending our two best academy centre halves out on loan just indicates that we were confident of getting another centre half which never happened. Don’t agree with that at all. If that was the case why the bids for Thomas-Asante? I think the plan was for a marquee signing up front and another experienced CB but the deals for our last minute targets (after our previous targets had moved for more than the value we placed on them had gone elsewhere) just ran out of time to find compromise. I think people are suggesting that we didn’t bother with our own valuations or finding compromise and simply overpayed. That might have given us a better season but it’s a trap we’ve fallen into before. Having money to spend should not mean you stop thinking about value or the future value of what you’re buying. Selling players we’d invested a little in has properly got us out of the shit these last few years. Why anyone would suggest it’s not sound policy is bewildering.
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Post by mrnovember on Oct 14, 2023 7:41:24 GMT
Neargh, you’ll have to beg for Sarah Millican tickets again to get better than that I’m afraid. I doubt anyone would need to beg for Millican tickets. In my head, I read this whole exchange in the Paddy Power Fan Denial voice.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Oct 14, 2023 8:44:45 GMT
Since when did Jojic get dragged into this?
He’s the least of the clubs problems at the minute.
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Post by RF10 on Oct 14, 2023 9:19:40 GMT
Since when did Jojic get dragged into this? He’s the least of the clubs problems at the minute. Stoke fans need a scapegoat.
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Jojic
Oct 14, 2023 10:43:07 GMT
Post by nottsover60 on Oct 14, 2023 10:43:07 GMT
Wesley was the proven striker and has done the job we bought him for (holding up the ball, target man when we have to go long or to see out a game) well enough but because of injuries has had to play more often than we wanted. If Mmaee, Campbell and Vidigal had stayed fit there were plenty of goals there. Saying we should have signed a proven striker as well is pie in the sky. The best we could have hoped for would have been a journeyman who would have been much like Gayle. There would now be uproar because he'd not scored and was blocking the chances of Lowe and Tezgel. Centre back is a puzzle I would agree, releasing Fox (who realistically might not have wanted to stay) and Taylor then sending our two best academy centre halves out on loan just indicates that we were confident of getting another centre half which never happened. Don’t agree with that at all. If that was the case why the bids for Thomas-Asante? I think the plan was for a marquee signing up front and another experienced CB but the deals for our last minute targets (after our previous targets had moved for more than the value we placed on them had gone elsewhere) just ran out of time to find compromise. I think people are suggesting that we didn’t bother with our own valuations or finding compromise and simply overpayed. That might have given us a better season but it’s a trap we’ve fallen into before. Having money to spend should not mean you stop thinking about value or the future value of what you’re buying. Selling players we’d invested a little in has properly got us out of the shit these last few years. Why anyone would suggest it’s not sound policy is bewildering. Not sure what you are disagreeing with? I wouldn't call Thomas Asante a marquee signing, he doesn't score loads of goals. I think it was more a realisation late in the window that Mmaee, Vidigal and Tezgel all had long term injuries and we needed a replacement to come in and hit the ground running. Like you I am convinced we had a centre half lined up to come in otherwise why let three leave? Only Taylor left permanently, the others on loan. I know it was the last chance to get them on loan at an EFL club but non league loans are possible throughout the season. Nowhere do I say we should not sell our young players, just that we shouldn't have let all our defensive cover leave. I agree with you we should never pay more than our top valuation of a player or tempt him with wages which are above our pay structure. I much prefer paying a million for Jojic for the u21's than on a Gayle type, end of career man.
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Jojic
Oct 14, 2023 11:22:38 GMT
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Post by baconburger on Oct 14, 2023 11:22:38 GMT
Don’t agree with that at all. If that was the case why the bids for Thomas-Asante? I think the plan was for a marquee signing up front and another experienced CB but the deals for our last minute targets (after our previous targets had moved for more than the value we placed on them had gone elsewhere) just ran out of time to find compromise. I think people are suggesting that we didn’t bother with our own valuations or finding compromise and simply overpayed. That might have given us a better season but it’s a trap we’ve fallen into before. Having money to spend should not mean you stop thinking about value or the future value of what you’re buying. Selling players we’d invested a little in has properly got us out of the shit these last few years. Why anyone would suggest it’s not sound policy is bewildering. Not sure what you are disagreeing with? I wouldn't call Thomas Asante a marquee signing, he doesn't score loads of goals. I think it was more a realisation late in the window that Mmaee, Vidigal and Tezgel all had long term injuries and we needed a replacement to come in and hit the ground running. Like you I am convinced we had a centre half lined up to come in otherwise why let three leave? Only Taylor left permanently, the others on loan. I know it was the last chance to get them on loan at an EFL club but non league loans are possible throughout the season. Nowhere do I say we should not sell our young players, just that we shouldn't have let all our defensive cover leave. I agree with you we should never pay more than our top valuation of a player or tempt him with wages which are above our pay structure. I much prefer paying a million for Jojic for the u21's than on a Gayle type, end of career man. I think where we disagree is that I think a marquee striker signing was always part of the plan but that most of our targets went for fees we found too rich as I’ve posted before I think BTA was something like option K on the list or even the list after the list had been exhausted and thus would have been the alternative if rather underwhelming marquee signing. I don't think any of our current options were meant to be the main lead the line striker. Apart from Campbell who was here before and not best leading the line I think they’re all pretty cheap punts.
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Jojic
Oct 14, 2023 18:53:30 GMT
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Post by baconburger on Oct 14, 2023 18:53:30 GMT
Since when did Jojic get dragged into this? He’s the least of the clubs problems at the minute. Since some Pulistas decided it was an issue. Never sign players with a long term view or potential resale value. Remember Arismendi. FFS backward is a compliment.
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Jojic
Oct 14, 2023 21:32:56 GMT
Post by independent on Oct 14, 2023 21:32:56 GMT
Wesley was the proven striker and has done the job we bought him for (holding up the ball, target man when we have to go long or to see out a game) well enough but because of injuries has had to play more often than we wanted. If Mmaee, Campbell and Vidigal had stayed fit there were plenty of goals there. Saying we should have signed a proven striker as well is pie in the sky. The best we could have hoped for would have been a journeyman who would have been much like Gayle. There would now be uproar because he'd not scored and was blocking the chances of Lowe and Tezgel. Centre back is a puzzle I would agree, releasing Fox (who realistically might not have wanted to stay) and Taylor then sending our two best academy centre halves out on loan just indicates that we were confident of getting another centre half which never happened. Don’t agree with that at all. If that was the case why the bids for Thomas-Asante? I think the plan was for a marquee signing up front and another experienced CB but the deals for our last minute targets (after our previous targets had moved for more than the value we placed on them had gone elsewhere) just ran out of time to find compromise. I think people are suggesting that we didn’t bother with our own valuations or finding compromise and simply overpayed. That might have given us a better season but it’s a trap we’ve fallen into before. Having money to spend should not mean you stop thinking about value or the future value of what you’re buying. Selling players we’d invested a little in has properly got us out of the shit these last few years. Why anyone would suggest it’s not sound policy is bewildering. Luckily, we rid of anyone who was involved in signing them before they could repeat the trick.
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Jojic
Oct 14, 2023 23:06:24 GMT
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Post by theporcelainpele on Oct 14, 2023 23:06:24 GMT
Since when did Jojic get dragged into this? He’s the least of the clubs problems at the minute. Stoke fans need a scapegoat. Not as much as you need to happy clap you little gimp
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Post by RF10 on Oct 14, 2023 23:24:50 GMT
Stoke fans need a scapegoat. Not as much as you need to happy clap you little gimp ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif) Been on the sauce fella?
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Post by baconburger on Oct 15, 2023 6:36:44 GMT
Don’t agree with that at all. If that was the case why the bids for Thomas-Asante? I think the plan was for a marquee signing up front and another experienced CB but the deals for our last minute targets (after our previous targets had moved for more than the value we placed on them had gone elsewhere) just ran out of time to find compromise. I think people are suggesting that we didn’t bother with our own valuations or finding compromise and simply overpayed. That might have given us a better season but it’s a trap we’ve fallen into before. Having money to spend should not mean you stop thinking about value or the future value of what you’re buying. Selling players we’d invested a little in has properly got us out of the shit these last few years. Why anyone would suggest it’s not sound policy is bewildering. Luckily, we rid of anyone who was involved in signing them before they could repeat the trick. I wouldn’t know I’ve no idea who identified them but that doesn’t make the fact that investing in young players with potential is sound business and now we’re signing that type of player with more exposure to men’s football therefore more chance of success. We just have to handle them right and the profits will materialise Junior alone would already command enough to fund the Jogic fee not that we should be thinking of selling there looks to be a massive profit to be made there.
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Post by robwahlmann on Oct 15, 2023 7:41:59 GMT
From what I've seen so far I'd rather have kept Taylor instead of bringing Rose in. Taylor was inexperinced, but good in the air. I think Taylor is/will be a very good central defender, Rose will never be more than mediocre at most. ![8-|](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/rY_vRFLA3mqqdMbEG4cF.gif)
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Jojic
Oct 15, 2023 13:12:15 GMT
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Post by baconburger on Oct 15, 2023 13:12:15 GMT
From what I've seen so far I'd rather have kept Taylor instead of bringing Rose in. Taylor was inexperinced, but good in the air. I think Taylor is/will be a very good central defender, Rose will never be more than mediocre at most. ![8-|](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/rY_vRFLA3mqqdMbEG4cF.gif) Thank god you’re not managing the squad Taylor was pretty shit, awkward and slow and to be honest a bit thick. Appeals to people with a very dated view of football. I’d sonnet play Laurent or Burger at CB.
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Post by stantheman on Oct 15, 2023 13:39:37 GMT
Nothing surprises me on this board anymore. A young lad, who has barely kicked a ball in anger for us, written off/slagged off by many on here. I sincerely hope neither he, or anyone representing him, reads this board. Hopefully he goes on to shut a lot of People up
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Jojic
Oct 15, 2023 14:01:05 GMT
Post by idle on Oct 15, 2023 14:01:05 GMT
From what I've seen so far I'd rather have kept Taylor instead of bringing Rose in. Taylor was inexperinced, but good in the air. I think Taylor is/will be a very good central defender, Rose will never be more than mediocre at most. ![8-|](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/rY_vRFLA3mqqdMbEG4cF.gif) Thank god you’re not managing the squad Taylor was pretty shit, awkward and slow and to be honest a bit thick. Appeals to people with a very dated view of football. I’d sonnet play Laurent or Burger at CB. While you are right that he looked kida slow in his games for us, he could gone on to be a good CB. He's ok on the ball and a big storng lad. He could've been nervous. I remember Souttar, that dude was sloooooowww in his first games for us. Players do get better as they mature, something the majority of posters on here doesn't seem to think is possible. One poor game as an 18 year old = ferever shite, amirite?
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