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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2023 2:06:48 GMT
Having thought more on it, I am pretty convinced that his OCD is a result of the treatment he got by Hoddle and the aftermath of that sending off. That being said his strength of character is incredible and most would have folded under that pressure never to return Or it could be something that was always with him and one of the reasons why his set pieces were so bloody accurate. Have we had anyone in the last 3 decades come close? There’s no way that it’s not a part of that. He must have had to practice over and over and….. to get them so unbelievably consistent. On top of that they showed him as a kid being interviewed in his room, and IIRC I think the reporter asked "is it always this clean" thinking it was for show, but beckham said "always". I think he just always had OCD and obsessiveness. Maybe "thick" david beckham was smart enough to figure out how to harness a condition that cripples most.
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 12, 2023 12:59:53 GMT
You see where Ferguson's strengths lie. The way he handled him after the 98 world cup was brilliant.
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Post by OldStokie on Oct 12, 2023 13:22:04 GMT
I've only watched 3 parts of it yet. It's a fantastic compilation of his life and shows what a complex person he is. As a matter of fact, this Beckham thing would make an excellent Master's Degree in psychology, not only about Beckham but about how everyone in this documentary works. I'll try to see the last episode of it tonight.
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Post by georgeberrysafro on Oct 12, 2023 16:26:48 GMT
You see where Ferguson's strengths lie. The way he handled him after the 98 world cup was brilliant. Unbeliveable really. I was brought up with you've got to hate 'the s#!t' but how they protected him as a club with Fergie was amazing. Hoddle should be ashamed and wasn't it not long after that his famous disabled slur came out. I'm not sure there are many/if any modern day footballers that could have taken what Beckham and his family took without seriouly breaking. Ferguson was one of the best wasn't he, his man-management was sensational at the time and to win the treble in 99 with Beckham and what he was going through is just something else (yeah, they were crap in that final and lucky). Beckham was lucky though to have his wife and parents for support at least through that time, not everyone has that. I've watched the first two episodes and I'm enjoying it a lot more than I thought I would. I have that level of OCD with a few things and it can be exhausting at times and it's likely down to childhood trauma. Looking forward to finishing the series. One of the best things Netflix has put out in a while.
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Post by raythesailor on Oct 12, 2023 16:47:21 GMT
Watched the first two last night and to my pleasant suprise it is very good.
Yes he was very badly and harshly treated after his England sending off by football fans throughout the land. It was a very emotive time when we the fans genuinely felt that at last we had a very good chance of winning this competition for the first time since 66. We felt very let down and even angry. The managers comments post match didn't help but echoed the feeling of the nation at the time.
Foul mouth abuse was and always should be totally out of order.
With the benefit of hindsight looking back it was wrong, but that is the way it was.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Oct 12, 2023 17:32:03 GMT
Finished it last night, really enjoyed it
Never realised Posh hated it in Spain and Becks didnt speak overly fondly of his time at Real
Hoddle comes across badly on it
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Post by spitshaw on Oct 14, 2023 18:59:31 GMT
Watched the first two last night and to my pleasant suprise it is very good. Yes he was very badly and harshly treated after his England sending off by football fans throughout the land. It was a very emotive time when we the fans genuinely felt that at last we had a very good chance of winning this competition for the first time since 66. We felt very let down and even angry. The managers comments post match didn't help but echoed the feeling of the nation at the time. Foul mouth abuse was and always should be totally out of order. With the benefit of hindsight looking back it was wrong, but that is the way it was. I was only a young lad at the time but could never understand all the hatred he got. We were shit in the penalties and there's no way we could have beat the Dutch, Brazilians and French to win it anyway let's be honest. But the worst part was it was never a red in a million years anyway. He got shafted by the ref but no one seemed to talk about that
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Post by lawrieleslie on Oct 14, 2023 19:19:38 GMT
Watched the first two last night and to my pleasant suprise it is very good. Yes he was very badly and harshly treated after his England sending off by football fans throughout the land. It was a very emotive time when we the fans genuinely felt that at last we had a very good chance of winning this competition for the first time since 66. We felt very let down and even angry. The managers comments post match didn't help but echoed the feeling of the nation at the time. Foul mouth abuse was and always should be totally out of order. With the benefit of hindsight looking back it was wrong, but that is the way it was. I was only a young lad at the time but could never understand all the hatred he got. We were shit in the penalties and there's no way we could have beat the Dutch, Brazilians and French to win it anyway let's be honest. But the worst part was it was never a red in a million years anyway. He got shafted by the ref but no one seemed to talk about that It’s a shame the knuckle-dragger's vitriol wasn’t aimed at the RG scumbag diego simeone who admitted he'd deceived the ref.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2023 19:58:57 GMT
I was only a young lad at the time but could never understand all the hatred he got. We were shit in the penalties and there's no way we could have beat the Dutch, Brazilians and French to win it anyway let's be honest. But the worst part was it was never a red in a million years anyway. He got shafted by the ref but no one seemed to talk about that It’s a shame the knuckle-dragger's vitriol wasn’t aimed at the RG scumbag diego simeone who admitted he'd deceived the ref. Mine always was, and the cunt of a referee. It was never a red card in a million years. Petulant? Yes. Violent Conduct? Ah orate.
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Post by Linx on Oct 14, 2023 20:04:21 GMT
To my surprise I actually found myself liking him and Victoria. I was expecting completely shallow, unlikeable types and, yes, they are consequently materialistic in their lifestyle (being that rich, who wouldn’t be, just a bit even?) but they had solid family values and were clearly devoted to each other, not bad for 25 years in, and with all the pressures their relationship has been under.
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Post by mtrstudent on Oct 16, 2023 23:43:05 GMT
On top of that they showed him as a kid being interviewed in his room, and IIRC I think the reporter asked "is it always this clean" thinking it was for show, but beckham said "always". I think he just always had OCD and obsessiveness. Maybe "thick" david beckham was smart enough to figure out how to harness a condition that cripples most. I hate it when they call people thick, Beckham is a top example. Alright he probably couldn't smash a mensa test but so fucking what. Behind every one of his kicks there's some insane numbers to account for ball slippiness, wind direction etc. And the strength of character to recover after the way he was treated.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2023 23:59:14 GMT
On top of that they showed him as a kid being interviewed in his room, and IIRC I think the reporter asked "is it always this clean" thinking it was for show, but beckham said "always". I think he just always had OCD and obsessiveness. Maybe "thick" david beckham was smart enough to figure out how to harness a condition that cripples most. I hate it when they call people thick, Beckham is a top example. Alright he probably couldn't smash a mensa test but so fucking what. Behind every one of his kicks there's some insane numbers to account for ball slippiness, wind direction etc. And the strength of character to recover after the way he was treated. Intelligence comes in many forms. Some of the highest IQ people in history were unable to function in society.
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 16, 2023 23:59:37 GMT
On top of that they showed him as a kid being interviewed in his room, and IIRC I think the reporter asked "is it always this clean" thinking it was for show, but beckham said "always". I think he just always had OCD and obsessiveness. Maybe "thick" david beckham was smart enough to figure out how to harness a condition that cripples most. I hate it when they call people thick, Beckham is a top example. Alright he probably couldn't smash a mensa test but so fucking what. Behind every one of his kicks there's some insane numbers to account for ball slippiness, wind direction etc. And the strength of character to recover after the way he was treated. I reckon the perception of Dave's density was convenient for him and he played up to it. For example, there was a thing after being in Madrid for about 18 months he said a few words in Spanish at a press conference. This led to applause from the assembled press. In reality he could talk Spanish quite well. He was filmed abusing a paparazzi photographer in Spanish who tried to get pictures of him and his kids. Another time he had a conversation in a restaurant having an amicable conversation with a waiter. Thing is if you don't know anything you can't let anybody down. In reality he was an intelligent sensible capable man.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Oct 17, 2023 14:15:37 GMT
I have just finished watching the last episode and I thought that it was a pretty decent watch actually!
A couple of random thoughts ...
- I thought that David and Victoria came across well. They seemed to speak quite openly about most subjects (although the whole affair thing was glossed over a lot!). I found myself having a lot of empathy for Victoria - she was trying to raise the kids whilst her husband was bouncing around the globe playing for different clubs.
- The treatment of David and his family by large portions of the media was pretty dire at different points in his career. It is hard to imagine not being able to do things like take your kids to school without being hounded by the press. Fame and fortune comes at a price.
- I think we sometimes forget how good Beckham was on the pitch. When you have the likes of Keane, Roberto Carlos, and Ronaldo singing your praises that says a lot about his ability.
Overall, a really enjoyable watch.
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Post by kerouac on Oct 17, 2023 15:46:05 GMT
I just finished watching it last night and really enjoyed it.A bit “Billy’s Boots” at times, but I warmed to him a lot by the end. He did seem very closed off to me,particularly when he was playing but I do wonder whether this was the veneer he needed to deflect the absolute shit,both positive and negative,that was thrown at him.Interestingly,I don’t remember him being as good as he actually was. Obvious football bloody mad he is.!
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Post by noustie on Oct 17, 2023 16:01:30 GMT
Slight criticism would be thought they maybe could have pushed a little harder on finding out whether Posh was actually partial to it up the ode wizzwham and if the other Spice Girls shared similar proclivities but apart from that it was very well done.
In fairness thought Victoria, although stage managed obviously, came across better than I was expecting from it and their kids don't appear to be absolute bell ends which is a hell of an achievement really when consider their exposure.
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Post by kerouac on Oct 17, 2023 16:05:00 GMT
Slight criticism would be thought they maybe could have pushed a little harder on finding out whether Posh was actually partial to it up the ode wizzwham and if the other Spice Girls shared similar proclivities but apart from that it was very well done. In fairness thought Victoria, although stage managed obviously, came across better than I was expecting from it and their kids don't appear to be absolute bell ends which is a hell of an achievement really when consider their exposure. I think it’s fairly certain he’s got his “brown wings” 😉
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Post by M on Oct 17, 2023 19:48:11 GMT
Binged watched them all last night. Enjoyed it too. Really obvious that Utd’s success was such a strong dressing room and most of them come across really well even though I spent years hating them.
I’d almost forgot that Hoddle hung him out to dry, but always felt (reinforced watching last night) that the drama of 98’ really was the making of him and that he largely reacted well to it all.
Couldn’t help but feel though that he still comes across as a spoiled child who angered most clubs he was at etc.,at the same time I can’t help but almost feel sorry for him and understand why; he was a normal lad who almost overnight became a worldwide icon who literally had the world at his finger tips., it would be enough to fuel even the strongest of egos.
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Post by backintheday on Oct 17, 2023 20:04:44 GMT
Watched the end of it last night with the chief exec and daughter (they watched it for mrs Beckham) overall it was good enjoyable watch. what that lad went through after being sent off was horrendous and being throw under the bus by Hoddle was absolutely shite. agreed with his old man he didn’t cost us the match the five penalty takers did Good luck to the guy
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 18, 2023 5:19:34 GMT
Where does he live now?
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Post by noustie on Oct 18, 2023 5:48:12 GMT
Went into his local IKEA three years ago for a laugh apparently but got trapped in a continuous never ending loop of straightening their displays. Poor fella is fat as fuck now all he eats is the meatballs.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 18, 2023 6:19:57 GMT
It’s why the idea of Hoddle coming back which used to raise its head every now and then was laughed out of town. Savvy enough tactician but abysmal man management. The fallout from that tournament was the beginning of the end for him.
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 18, 2023 9:50:21 GMT
It’s why the idea of Hoddle coming back which used to raise its head every now and then was laughed out of town. Savvy enough tactician but abysmal man management. The fallout from that tournament was the beginning of the end for him. Hoddle had a big dressing room row with Shearer. When you fell out with Shearer you were finished.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 18, 2023 9:53:29 GMT
It’s why the idea of Hoddle coming back which used to raise its head every now and then was laughed out of town. Savvy enough tactician but abysmal man management. The fallout from that tournament was the beginning of the end for him. Hoddle had a big dressing room row with Shearer. When you fell out with Shearer you were finished. That was one of the final nails certainly. His France '98 diary was the start of it though. The players had had enough of him and the media turned after that.
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 18, 2023 9:58:54 GMT
Hoddle had a big dressing room row with Shearer. When you fell out with Shearer you were finished. That was one of the final nails certainly. His France '98 diary was the start of it though. The players had had enough of him and the media turned after that. Apparently the first line of the diary was 'It could've been me'. Not us. Not England.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 18, 2023 10:04:29 GMT
That was one of the final nails certainly. His France '98 diary was the start of it though. The players had had enough of him and the media turned after that. Apparently the first line of the diary was 'It could've been me'. Not us. Not England. The diary is absolutely insane, it's the most Partridge book I've ever read. That was Hoddle though, he pissed off players like Beckham and Scholes by criticising their set piece technique and insisting on taking them himself in training. When he was managing Chelsea in the cup final, the first sub he made was bringing himself on. He has 'main character' syndrome.
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 18, 2023 10:16:06 GMT
Apparently the first line of the diary was 'It could've been me'. Not us. Not England. The diary is absolutely insane, it's the most Partridge book I've ever read. That was Hoddle though, he pissed off players like Beckham and Scholes by criticising their set piece technique and insisting on taking them himself in training. When he was managing Chelsea in the cup final, the first sub he made was bringing himself on. He has 'main character' syndrome. Remember that night in Rome though. He could've been ace.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 22, 2023 22:43:01 GMT
Just finished watching the last episode and I have to say I really enjoyed the documentary.I’ve also changed my mind on Posh Spice as well who I think is the driving force behind him. Great family who’ve overcame the tabloid lunacy and good luck to them all. I’m sure he shagged Rebacca Loos though😊
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Post by Gob Bluth on Oct 22, 2023 22:54:14 GMT
You see where Ferguson's strengths lie. The way he handled him after the 98 world cup was brilliant. I was struck with how ruthless he was at the end, Wenger would never ended it like that. Would Beckham have kicked on at Man United if he stayed or was that act needed to keep the rest of the team inline - who knows?
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 23, 2023 2:15:05 GMT
You see where Ferguson's strengths lie. The way he handled him after the 98 world cup was brilliant. I was struck with how ruthless he was at the end, Wenger would never ended it like that. Would Beckham have kicked on at Man United if he stayed or was that act needed to keep the rest of the team inline - who knows? Combination of both. Stam was publicly critical of aspects of the shit and he was moved on quickly. Ferguson acknowledged in later years it was a mistake to let him go. But he had to have and had to be seen to have, control.
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