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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2023 15:03:29 GMT
Yet the vast majority on this board were praising the new data based recruitment approach this summer. I maintain we have signed some very good players that will eventually come good. We now need to apply this modern approach to recruiting the next manager as it appears Neil is toast. The Coates' should use outside recruitment consultants to get their next man. Give them the points of reference and let professionals find the right fit. Do they have that humility? Probably not, wishful thinking on my part.
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Post by jokker on Sept 25, 2023 16:45:56 GMT
Relegated Bottom half Bottom half Bottom half Bottom half Bottom half Probably bottom half And being in a few relegation scraps too. You can’t criticise Stoke fans for being unhappy. This grateful to exist bollocks has to stop. As do the excuses. It’s not good enough. For all the bother Stoke's been in, bad players, bad management, bad chairmen, bad everything, I don't think we've been in any relegation scraps since we were relegated. It hasn't been like: last 2-3 games touch or go whether we'd stayed up or not, We've probably been worthy of relegation, but somehow we haven't "succeeded" yet.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 25, 2023 16:47:30 GMT
Do they have that humility? Probably not, wishful thinking on my part. It’s the ideal scenario but one I was hoping would happen after relegation. I can only speak for myself but it’s so draining to support a club you know should be very good but there’s just no hope of it. There is no barrier for this club being whatever it wants to be in reality. Yet here we are. It’s just so damn sad.
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Post by hoppo96 on Sept 25, 2023 16:57:49 GMT
I have always been proud to be a Stoke fan. I’m not a Stoke lad, I was born in Stafford. My first game was in 1969 and if it wasn’t for Stoke I’d have given up on football a long time ago. I have always taken people on when they talk Stoke down. My first line of defence has always been the fans. Pride in the support has always outweighed our achievements. We are Stoke. We have put up with some shit in my 50 years. Way more than we are experiencing now. But I can’t ever recall a support so divisive, so fucking destructive and so vitriolic as this board. 10 years in the Premiership seems to have given us unrealistic expectation. We are still looking down on several bigger clubs than us. People want the Coates family out. Who the fuck they think will buy us out and invest similar money is never made clear. They want a change of manager if we don’t win at least 3 games a month. They demand we are top 6 every year. They want us to appoint managers who would likely say Stoke.. your joking aren’t you, Truth is that reading this board makes me angry. It makes me embarrassed. And seriously I don’t argue the toss with anyone any more about Stoke fans being loyal and proud. 👏👏👏 to everyone who still travels away. I hope they aren’t represented by people on here. PS. Don’t bother responding Bayern. No. I won’t fuck off up the Vale either It's been six years of mostly shite. In fact seven if you add in the 2016-17 season. People are rightfully fed up, And that they can bring in 20k+ crowds actually says the fans have been very lenient with them. We are one of the division's richest clubs. We're not a small club like Rotherham. Yeah the 10 years in the premier league were good but we've been in the top flight before. In fact, over half of our league history has been in the top flight of English football. We're not first timers like Bournemouth or Hull, we're an established side that has competed in the top two tiers of english football but all but eight seasons. Seven of which happened under the current ownership. Those years in the third tier was a result of failure, it's not the norm that we were losing to the likes of Stockport, Wycombe, Chester, Darlington, etc. Football is an entertainment business, yeah you want loyal fans but you can't expect people to pay good money (not just tickets) to come and watch something terrible they probably won't enjoy. There's a million more things to do these days, yesterday's game was on the Box.
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Post by leicspotter on Sept 25, 2023 17:04:32 GMT
The average number of posters on here is about 2% of the average gate so I would question whether it was representative. Add to that, I think, the aggressive nature of some posts definitely deters people from posting opposing views to the majority which is sad. We are told that this is a discussion board but several of the more regular posters just hurl insults at each other or anyone who disagrees with them. How often does a thread get taken over by two people having an argument or probably more aptly called a slinging match without posting anything interesting to the rest of us. And then someone posts something which most posters disagree with, often justifying their post, only to be told that they know nothing, are idiotic, have never played football, are happy clappers etc etc. There is no discussion and acceptance that someone with a different view is probably an intelligent, reasonable bloke. There are too many people who won't listen and try to understand different opinions or even justify their own view point. They have the opinion that what they think is the only correct view and if you disagree they can insult you. As an aside I think the 'little old Stoke' is too often used as an insult. There are some things about being, in many ways, an old fashioned club that we should embrace. We should be proud that Arnie has recently said he really enjoyed being at Stoke because they are a family club, that Bojan has shown his fondness for the club. I would rather support Stoke where I genuinely think the club cares about my views than Utd, Man City, Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs for whom the fans are an aside to the main business. Isn't that Social Media all over?...the loud mouths taking over and getting noticed? I remember David Cameron 'sucking up' to some group called 'mumsnet' as if they represented all the mothers in the UK...whereas they really come across as a clique of women with nothing else to do The main Oatcake board can be a right nasty place at times, and genuinely welcoming at others...it does get hijacked too often, and too easily. The other boards, such as "everything else" are usually pretty civilised, although they obviously don't cover the most emotional aspect of our lives...Stoke City Those posters who continually 'slag off' anyone who disagrees with them are usually the ones with the weakest argument, resorting to aggression to cover up their lack of insight...best ignored, hard as it can be at times. Now, where was I, oh yeah, you're talking bollo**... ...just kidding
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Post by jokker on Sept 25, 2023 17:05:46 GMT
Pretty simple really. From the sacking of MH we have appointed dross after dross as Manager. It seems as though this incumbent is fitting the bill. With the resources of the family it is shameful. We can't just keep blaming the managers. They can't all be shit. Indeed they have records that prove they are not. Look upstairs that's where the real problem lies. If you want to put it like that, then the owners have been massively successful in appointing managers, the first two. They should never have started sacking people, that's what they're not good at, finding the right time, having no ready made replacements. Then finding themselves in a situation where they had no proper successors you have to question which parameters they apply for the right fit. Seemingly turning the club down once (Rowett, O'Neill, Neil) is one of them.
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Post by wakeypotter on Sept 25, 2023 17:23:29 GMT
Relegated Bottom half Bottom half Bottom half Bottom half Bottom half Probably bottom half And being in a few relegation scraps too. You can’t criticise Stoke fans for being unhappy. This grateful to exist bollocks has to stop. As do the excuses. It’s not good enough. Little old Stoke, happy with any old shit and no standards. The team got applauded off today. Now that’s fucking embarrassing. I agree. I can’t bring myself to look at them at Huddersfield let alone clap and we were a lot better. Some might say that’s being a poor supporter but I’m not easily pleased
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Post by towraytek on Sept 25, 2023 17:23:53 GMT
The vitriol at least shows some passion for the club. The bigger challenge is indifference.
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Post by 4372stokie on Sept 25, 2023 17:24:54 GMT
No.
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Post by Picasso on Sept 25, 2023 17:42:01 GMT
Nowhere near representative.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 25, 2023 17:49:42 GMT
The average number of posters on here is about 2% of the average gate so I would question whether it was representative. Add to that, I think, the aggressive nature of some posts definitely deters people from posting opposing views to the majority which is sad. We are told that this is a discussion board but several of the more regular posters just hurl insults at each other or anyone who disagrees with them. How often does a thread get taken over by two people having an argument or probably more aptly called a slinging match without posting anything interesting to the rest of us. And then someone posts something which most posters disagree with, often justifying their post, only to be told that they know nothing, are idiotic, have never played football, are happy clappers etc etc. There is no discussion and acceptance that someone with a different view is probably an intelligent, reasonable bloke. There are too many people who won't listen and try to understand different opinions or even justify their own view point. They have the opinion that what they think is the only correct view and if you disagree they can insult you. As an aside I think the 'little old Stoke' is too often used as an insult. There are some things about being, in many ways, an old fashioned club that we should embrace. We should be proud that Arnie has recently said he really enjoyed being at Stoke because they are a family club, that Bojan has shown his fondness for the club. I would rather support Stoke where I genuinely think the club cares about my views than Utd, Man City, Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs for whom the fans are an aside to the main business. Isn't that Social Media all over?...the loud mouths taking over and getting noticed? I remember David Cameron 'sucking up' to some group called 'mumsnet' as if they represented all the mothers in the UK...whereas they really come across as a clique of women with nothing else to do The main Oatcake board can be a right nasty place at times, and genuinely welcoming at others...it does get hijacked too often, and too easily. The other boards, such as "everything else" are usually pretty civilised, although they obviously don't cover the most emotional aspect of our lives...Stoke City Those posters who continually 'slag off' anyone who disagrees with them are usually the ones with the weakest argument, resorting to aggression to cover up their lack of insight...best ignored, hard as it can be at times. Now, where was I, oh yeah, you're talking bollo**... ...just kidding You’re one of the worst for slagging me off and giving me grief 🤣🤣🤦♂️
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Post by aureliuspotter on Sept 25, 2023 17:55:27 GMT
Absolutely not.
Internet message boards usually attract a certain type of person. No one I go to thr match with is on here and on the odd occasion I've mentioned it to a stranger they don't even know what it is. I'd like to think most Stoke fans aren't so precious in the real world. 😁
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 25, 2023 17:57:34 GMT
There’s loads of lefties on here who I don’t even think are Stoke fans as you rarely see them on this side of the board😏
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Post by Picasso on Sept 25, 2023 18:10:02 GMT
I think that the board attracts a disproportionate amount of fans with less than balanced views, whereas the majority of fans away from here are more balanced.
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Post by Miles Offside on Sept 25, 2023 18:12:45 GMT
Nothing is representative of all Stoke fans.
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Post by theonlooker on Sept 25, 2023 18:12:46 GMT
I think that the board attracts a disproportionate amount of fans with less than balanced views, whereas the majority of fans away from here are more balanced. You reckon? There was an old bloke infront of me yesterday going ballistic. I've only ever heard him say a few words in about 3 years!
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Post by Picasso on Sept 25, 2023 18:13:52 GMT
I think that the board attracts a disproportionate amount of fans with less than balanced views, whereas the majority of fans away from here are more balanced. You reckon? There was an old bloke infront of me yesterday going ballistic. I've only ever heard him say a few words in about 3 years! Yes, but he probably posts on here 😉
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Post by Ron on Sept 25, 2023 18:27:49 GMT
The opening post is ridiculously provocative.
I think the poster needs to read the room. We have all recently seen us on the cusp of being a premier league stalwart, challenging in the top half and beating the top clubs. The mismanagement from a relegation where we were in an excellent position in terms of the squad to go straight back up has been astounding. From Rowetts appointment and his gang of expensive wasters, to mad nath and now this incompetent fool. At least MON saved us from doom and pre the arrival of Holden ( who was an awful influence on him) was IMO doing a good job. We would have been currently better off had he remained- fact.
The signings in the summer have been exciting, yet leave us remaining unbalanced. The lack of a quality cb in the window and a centre forward is , frankly, criminal.
I don’t know where we go from here.
To want our club to better, like many of us, and be berated for wanting the good days back, is, frankly, pathetic.
It is the happy clapping support that’s causing as much a problem as the board.
We recently had the most partisan crowd in the country. It’s now a ground like a morgue- and why- because what we see in the pitch is hopeless. Routinely hopeless.
Going the football and following your club isn’t just a social. Sadly, for many, it is. I genuinely believe what occurs in the pitch seems to come second to many. It’s about willing and desperately wanting the club you love to do well.
Please do forgive me, and others, for wanting the club we love to do well.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Sept 25, 2023 18:32:48 GMT
The opening post is ridiculously provocative. I think the poster needs to read the room. We have all recently seen us on the cusp of being a premier league stalwart, challenging in the top half and beating the top clubs. The mismanagement from a relegation where we were in an excellent position in terms of the squad to go straight back up has been astounding. From Rowetts appointment and his gang of expensive wasters, to mad nath and now this incompetent fool. At least MON saved us from doom and pre the arrival of Holden ( who was an awful influence on him) was IMO doing a good job. We would have been currently better off had he remained- fact. The signings in the summer have been exciting, yet leave us remaining unbalanced. The lack of a quality cb in the window and a centre forward is , frankly, criminal. I don’t know where we go from here. To want our club to better, like many of us, and be berated for wanting the good days back, is, frankly, pathetic. It is the happy clapping support that’s causing as much a problem as the board. We recently had the most partisan crowd in the country. It’s now a ground like a morgue- and why- because what we see in the pitch is hopeless. Routinely hopeless. Going the football and following your club isn’t just a social. Sadly, for many, it is. I genuinely believe what occurs in the pitch seems to come second to many. It’s about willing and desperately wanting the club you love to do well. Please do forgive me, and others, for wanting the club we love to do well. Hopeless is the perfect word to use and sums up pretty much everything about yesterday. And now the fans. The hope over the last few years has just gone.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Sept 25, 2023 18:33:24 GMT
This football club has existed since the 1860s. Since the Second World War, we've only played in third tier in two spells for a total of six seasons. So I really dispute this 'little old Stoke' narrative. We're an old club with a long history, we're by far the biggest club in a city with a quarter-of-a-million people in it, and naturally compete somewhere in the top two divisions of English football. But since our relegation from the PL, we haven't been very 'competitive' in any sense of the word, really. Both times we've played in the third tier in our modern history, I hasten to add, came under the ownership of the Coates family. I don't want them gone, and I don't live under the illusion there is some magical owner out there who will pump money into us and make us special, but I do want them to buck their ideas up and implement a modern plan of how to run a football club. It isn't young fans who have unrealistic expectations of the club because they have been spoilt by the riches of 10 years in the PL. It is that a lot of middle-aged ones have a very warped view of the club's natural place in the world because so many their memories watching us in the 1990s came in the third tier - an historic low point for the club. We're not a little club who should forever be looking down at all of the clubs of a similar size of us and thanking God we're not like them. We are a respectable 'medium-sized' (if you will) club who should, at all times, have aspirations of being competitive at the top end of English football. The reality is, especially when you look at clubs like Brentford, Brighton and Bournemouth atm, there is no reason why Stoke couldn't have been like them at this point really. Three clubs who are, in the long-view of football history, all 'smaller' than Stoke, but have simply got modern footballing structures in place to recruit better than us. After 7 or 8 years in the PL, we absolutely should have adopted a structure like that and adopted some sort of stats or metrics based approach to recruitment; rather than spunking a combined £48m on Wimmer, Imbula and Berahino, or giving £50m to Rowett to chaff up the wall on some dross as soon as he arrived. I 100% reserve the right to criticise the board for the series of fundamental mistakes and poor managerial appointments they keep making. Brilliant post and I agree with all of that.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 25, 2023 18:35:36 GMT
I honestly can’t think of many times if any when the mood amongst the support at games has been wildly different from the mood on here.
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Post by theonlooker on Sept 25, 2023 18:35:48 GMT
You reckon? There was an old bloke infront of me yesterday going ballistic. I've only ever heard him say a few words in about 3 years! Yes, but he probably posts on here 😉 Ha! 😄
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Sept 25, 2023 18:40:45 GMT
The average number of posters on here is about 2% of the average gate so I would question whether it was representative. Add to that, I think, the aggressive nature of some posts definitely deters people from posting opposing views to the majority which is sad. We are told that this is a discussion board but several of the more regular posters just hurl insults at each other or anyone who disagrees with them. How often does a thread get taken over by two people having an argument or probably more aptly called a slinging match without posting anything interesting to the rest of us. And then someone posts something which most posters disagree with, often justifying their post, only to be told that they know nothing, are idiotic, have never played football, are happy clappers etc etc. There is no discussion and acceptance that someone with a different view is probably an intelligent, reasonable bloke. There are too many people who won't listen and try to understand different opinions or even justify their own view point. They have the opinion that what they think is the only correct view and if you disagree they can insult you. As an aside I think the 'little old Stoke' is too often used as an insult. There are some things about being, in many ways, an old fashioned club that we should embrace. We should be proud that Arnie has recently said he really enjoyed being at Stoke because they are a family club, that Bojan has shown his fondness for the club. I would rather support Stoke where I genuinely think the club cares about my views than Utd, Man City, Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs for whom the fans are an aside to the main business. Spot on mate.
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Post by samuel32 on Sept 25, 2023 19:03:24 GMT
Our Championship managers need to play to our fans more.
It's half the job at home.
Aye, obviously winning would help. But also, just simple things like having a go from the off, playing our youngsters, being honest in interviews and showing a bit of fucking charisma would all help.
Instead they get preoccupied in their tactical wankery, overcomplicate things and get fans on their back. Games not at noon on a Sunday would also help.
Our stadium is a large vacuous place at times. This, coupled with our drop from Prem, makes it hard to get a decent, positive atmosphere.
Whatever it takes the manager needs to get fans bringing the energy again
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Post by bertjones on Sept 26, 2023 21:40:43 GMT
I cannot undertand why so many think the sun shines out of the Coates's Billions. We were a respected Premier League club, and the Billions since have been as much use as a chocolate fireguard.
They have pissed money away, made us a laughing stock, very nearly got us relegated to League One, and yet they are above being critcised. In fact we are supposed to be grateful to them.
They are merely cutodians of our great club, and they continue to fuck it up, treating the football club like a toy, giving it to John Junior to play with like a train set
Relegation to League One is a very real possibility, and when it happens, it will be only the Coates family, and no one else's fault.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 26, 2023 21:48:41 GMT
I cannot undertand why so many think the sun shines out of the Coates's Billions. We were a respected Premier League club, and the Billions since have been as much use as a chocolate fireguard. They have pissed money away, made us a laughing stock, very nearly got us relegated to League One, and yet they are above being critcised. In fact we are supposed to be grateful to them. They are merely cutodians of our great club, and they continue to fuck it up. Relegation to League One is a very real possibility, and when it happens, it will be only the Coates family, and no one else's fault. A laughing stock to who exactly? I doubt too many outsiders notice or care about what goes on and those who do I'd say many envy our wealth . When were we very nearly relegated to League One? Without them we'd never have had Premier League football, a Cup final, Europe etc realistically. They're not above criticism, they get a fair share but Bristol city are perhaps no smaller a club than us and what they they achieved in our time?
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Post by bertjones on Sept 26, 2023 22:55:59 GMT
I would doubt any other club would want our owners at the moment. The wealth of the Coates family probably is envied by other clubs, but the way we under-perform will be envied by few, no matter how rich our custodians are.
Sunderland, Luton, to name but two see us as a laughing stock. The performance on Sunday live on Sky TV (not for the first time) was embarassing.
Who says we would never have had premier league football without them??? No one knows. It's impossible to say.
I want my football team to compete. To look like they will have a go at trying to get back near the Premier League. I want to be proud of my club again. Sadly at the moment I am disillusioned with the owners, and the way the club is drifting and has been since Hughes left, and if it's not the Coates fault, then who?
The club went close to League One when Nathan Jones was left in charge too long, at least to close for my comfort.
I really do hope that Im proved wrong, about the Coates family, but Ive lost all confidence in them, and its really sad, because we all know how great our club can be.
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 27, 2023 0:47:34 GMT
I’ve yet to hear a logical reason as to why this board - a fairly decent sample size of Stoke fans - *wouldn’t* be roughly representative of the views of supporters more broadly. All you get are vague non-sequiturs like “it attracts a certain type of person” - and? Where is the logic that this supposed “certain type of person”, whatever they are, is more likely to think a certain way? You might as well say “it attracts people who own a computer”, it has no bearing on the way people think.
The only thing you could reasonably conclude is that it attracts people who are more invested than most in discussing Stoke matters with a large group of other fans who they mainly don’t know. Again, why would these people's opinions skew one way or another? Makes no sense. You could probably argue that it tends towards polarisation and opinionated-ness, but that’s just the nature of this type of online interaction on a large scale. And once again, that can skew positive or negative depending on the times we’re livin’ in.
And we’re talking about several thousand people on here, or at least several hundred who actively post. Compare that to, say, P&G - the same handful of losers 😉 calling in week after week. The only other large-scale barometer I can think of that might be as accurate as this board is booing in the stadium. And guess what - at the moment there’s booing in the stadium.
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 27, 2023 2:09:33 GMT
I cannot undertand why so many think the sun shines out of the Coates's Billions. We were a respected Premier League club, and the Billions since have been as much use as a chocolate fireguard. They have pissed money away, made us a laughing stock, very nearly got us relegated to League One, and yet they are above being critcised. In fact we are supposed to be grateful to them. They are merely cutodians of our great club, and they continue to fuck it up. Relegation to League One is a very real possibility, and when it happens, it will be only the Coates family, and no one else's fault. When were we very nearly relegated to League One? Without them we'd never have had Premier League football, a Cup final, Europe etc realistically. Things we have had without them: top flight football, cup finals, Europe Things we have never had without them: third division football.
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Post by satoshi on Sept 27, 2023 4:33:03 GMT
We don’t need you defending us, but thanks anyway.
Everything we’re doing this season could have worked on paper. It hasn’t. It’s time for a change, again.
Stoke fans should be fuming and I’m glad they are.
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