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Post by smallthorner on Sept 24, 2023 21:32:21 GMT
Pretty simple really.
From the sacking of MH we have appointed dross after dross as Manager. It seems as though this incumbent is fitting the bill.
With the resources of the family it is shameful.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 24, 2023 21:33:07 GMT
There’s a large percentage of fans who don’t get embroiled in this forum or social media, don’t over analyse everything to the nth degree and who just turn up to support their team and hopefully see them win irrespective of what’s going on in the background.
I envy them to be honest……
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Post by peterthornesboots on Sept 24, 2023 21:34:26 GMT
Relegated Bottom half Bottom half Bottom half Bottom half Bottom half Probably bottom half And being in a few relegation scraps too. You can’t criticise Stoke fans for being unhappy. This grateful to exist bollocks has to stop. As do the excuses. It’s not good enough. Christ. Over half a decade of abject failure (nearly seven years now). It is crazy to think that: - We stupidly sleep-walked into relegation (poor recruitment, not sacking Hughes fast enough, hiring Lambert, etc.). - We wasted three years of parachute payments (which gave us an overwhelming advantage at this level). - Nearly got relegated to League One (barring MoN's minor miracle when he first arrived). - Stumbled around for two years completely hamstrung by FFP. - And now, free from the clutches of FFP, we look bloody worse than ever. 😅😂
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 24, 2023 21:35:22 GMT
Pretty simple really. From the sacking of MH we have appointed dross after dross as Manager. It seems as though this incumbent is fitting the bill. With the resources of the family it is shameful. We can't just keep blaming the managers. They can't all be shit. Indeed they have records that prove they are not. Look upstairs that's where the real problem lies.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Sept 24, 2023 21:40:15 GMT
Pretty simple really. From the sacking of MH we have appointed dross after dross as Manager. It seems as though this incumbent is fitting the bill. With the resources of the family it is shameful. I think that we have appointed decent managers, but at the wrong time. Rowett is a good manager at this level, but he was never the right man to try and build a promotion challenging team. Jones obviously had massive success at Luton (twice). However, we appointed him too soon before he had proven himself with a club where there was greater expectation. MoN did well considering the fact he was constantly battling FFP. He stabalised the club which was probably his remit. AN has two promotions on his CV. However, he has never been in a situation where the team needed completely rebuilding. You have to question why manager after manager continues to struggle at this football club.
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Post by stokiejoe on Sept 24, 2023 21:40:39 GMT
We are 8 matches in having signed 17 new players. I still think we should have a little more patience to give the team the chance to gel. Neil has had success elswhere so replacing him would be the same old lottery. He has no excuses this season, the players are his, no doubt if finances permitted he may have chosen alternatives but he had to play the hand he was dealt. Twenty games would be the make or break time for me. Being trigger happy hasn't worked in the past and his replacement would most likely be someone who has been sacked elswhere.
I am as disappointed as anyone with the results but accept that it is still work in progress and needs time to work or to fail, hopefully to work.
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Post by smallthorner on Sept 24, 2023 21:48:38 GMT
Pretty simple really. From the sacking of MH we have appointed dross after dross as Manager. It seems as though this incumbent is fitting the bill. With the resources of the family it is shameful. We can't just keep blaming the managers. They can't all be shit. Indeed they have records that prove they are not. Look upstairs that's where the real problem lies. I'm looking. Tell me what I'm seeing. What I'm seeing is the appointment of the wrong managers at the wrong time.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 24, 2023 21:51:28 GMT
Pretty simple really. From the sacking of MH we have appointed dross after dross as Manager. It seems as though this incumbent is fitting the bill. With the resources of the family it is shameful. I think that we have appointed decent managers, but at the wrong time. Rowett is a good manager at this level, but he was never the right man to try and build a promotion challenging team. Jones obviously had massive success at Luton (twice). However, we appointed him too soon before he had proven himself with a club where there was greater expectation. MoN did well considering the fact he was constantly battling FFP. He stabalised the club which was probably his remit. AN has two promotions on his CV. However, he has never been in a situation where the team needed completely rebuilding. You have to question why manager after manager continues to struggle at this football club. But when you do that and come up with the only logical answer (the owners) people don’t want to hear it. It’s like a cult where it’s chosen to be ignored.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 24, 2023 21:53:38 GMT
We can't just keep blaming the managers. They can't all be shit. Indeed they have records that prove they are not. Look upstairs that's where the real problem lies. I'm looking. Tell me what I'm seeing. What I'm seeing is the appointment of the wrong managers at the wrong time. But every appointment has done well elsewhere. Its on their record. The club is sick chief. It starts at the top and travels downhill. No identity since Pulis left. That's on the senior management. And its what happens when the board have no idea how to run the club.
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Post by jzime on Sept 24, 2023 21:54:20 GMT
This football club has existed since the 1860s. Since the Second World War, we've only played in third tier in two spells for a total of six seasons. So I really dispute this 'little old Stoke' narrative. We're an old club with a long history, we're by far the biggest club in a city with a quarter-of-a-million people in it, and naturally compete somewhere in the top two divisions of English football. But since our relegation from the PL, we haven't been very 'competitive' in any sense of the word, really.
Both times we've played in the third tier in our modern history, I hasten to add, came under the ownership of the Coates family. I don't want them gone, and I don't live under the illusion there is some magical owner out there who will pump money into us and make us special, but I do want them to buck their ideas up and implement a modern plan of how to run a football club.
It isn't young fans who have unrealistic expectations of the club because they have been spoilt by the riches of 10 years in the PL. It is that a lot of middle-aged ones have a very warped view of the club's natural place in the world because so many their memories watching us in the 1990s came in the third tier - an historic low point for the club.
We're not a little club who should forever be looking down at all of the clubs of a similar size of us and thanking God we're not like them. We are a respectable 'medium-sized' (if you will) club who should, at all times, have aspirations of being competitive at the top end of English football.
The reality is, especially when you look at clubs like Brentford, Brighton and Bournemouth atm, there is no reason why Stoke couldn't have been like them at this point really. Three clubs who are, in the long-view of football history, all 'smaller' than Stoke, but have simply got modern footballing structures in place to recruit better than us. After 7 or 8 years in the PL, we absolutely should have adopted a structure like that and adopted some sort of stats or metrics based approach to recruitment; rather than spunking a combined £48m on Wimmer, Imbula and Berahino, or giving £50m to Rowett to chaff up the wall on some dross as soon as he arrived. I 100% reserve the right to criticise the board for the series of fundamental mistakes and poor managerial appointments they keep making.
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Post by smallthorner on Sept 24, 2023 21:58:56 GMT
This football club has existed since the 1860s. Since the Second World War, we've only played in third tier in two spells for a total of six seasons. So I really dispute this 'little old Stoke' narrative. We're an old club with a long history, we're by far the biggest club in a city with a quarter-of-a-million people in it, and naturally compete somewhere in the top two divisions of English football. But since our relegation from the PL, we haven't been very 'competitive' in any sense of the word, really. Both times we've played in the third tier in out modern history, I hasten to add, came under the ownership of the Coates family. I don't want them gone, and I don't live under the illusion there is some magical owner out there who will pump money into us and make us special, but I do want them to buck their ideas up and implement a modern plan of how to run a football club. It isn't young fans who have unrealistic expectations of the club because they have been spoilt by the riches of 10 years in the PL. It is that a lot of middle-aged have a very warped view of the club's natural place in the world because so many their memories watching us in the 1990s came in the third tier - an historic low point for the club. We're not a little club who should forever be looking down at all of the clubs of a similar size of us and thanking God we're not like them. We are a respectable 'medium-sized' (if you will) club who should, at all times, have aspirations of being competitive at the top end of English football. The reality is, especially when you look at clubs like Brentford, Brighton and Bournemouth atm, there is no reason why Stoke couldn't have been like them at this point really. Three clubs who are, in the long-view of football history, all 'smaller' than Stoke, but have simply got modern footballing structures in place to recruit better than us. After 7 or 8 years in the PL, we absolutely should have adopted a structure like that and adopted some sort of stats or metrics based approach to recruitment; rather than spunking a combined £48m on Wimmer, Imbula and Berahino, or giving £50m to Rowett to chaff up the wall on some dross as soon as he arrived. I 100% reserve the right to criticise the board for the series of fundamental mistakes and poor managerial appointments they keep making. Good post.
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Post by xnfourt on Sept 24, 2023 22:04:29 GMT
Coates family need sell the club. All there money is blood money. Sell now or soon we will be 2nd division.
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Post by pavel on Sept 24, 2023 22:04:34 GMT
I have always been proud to be a Stoke fan. I’m not a Stoke lad, I was born in Stafford. My first game was in 1969 and if it wasn’t for Stoke I’d have given up on football a long time ago. I have always taken people on when they talk Stoke down. My first line of defence has always been the fans. Pride in the support has always outweighed our achievements. We are Stoke. We have put up with some shit in my 50 years. Way more than we are experiencing now. But I can’t ever recall a support so divisive, so fucking destructive and so vitriolic as this board. 10 years in the Premiership seems to have given us unrealistic expectation. We are still looking down on several bigger clubs than us. People want the Coates family out. Who the fuck they think will buy us out and invest similar money is never made clear. They want a change of manager if we don’t win at least 3 games a month. They demand we are top 6 every year. They want us to appoint managers who would likely say Stoke.. your joking aren’t you, Truth is that reading this board makes me angry. It makes me embarrassed. And seriously I don’t argue the toss with anyone any more about Stoke fans being loyal and proud. 👏👏👏 to everyone who still travels away. I hope they aren’t represented by people on here. PS. Don’t bother responding Bayern. No. I won’t fuck off up the Vale either You would do better if you didn't exaggerate, nobody is demanding instant success but expect progress, most would be ecstatic with a win at the moment and we don't have unrealistic expectations. We have very rich owners and the club should be able to compete with the best with the right approach and management from top to bottom. If anything you are the one doing the Stoke down, fans should have ambition, we don't expect the world but we expect better. There is good and bad debate on this board but the majority on this board are reasonable in their expectations and in their criticism, in fact I think many are too loyal and supportive of a club that has lost it's way big time, too patient and too understanding of the shit show that endured for the last seven years and the mediocre managers we have employed. Most clubs would have sacked Neil by now on his performance last year and he's been given a fairly easy ride by the supporters and this board but here we are again, 7 points out of 24, 20th in the league. You talk of loyalty and pride, well that has to be earned and earned for a future generation of fans as well, but most fans are loyal to a fault as are the posters on here, they just want the best for their club. I'd be more worried if this board was passive and accepting of what we are seeing, if that was the case we would really be in trouble.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 24, 2023 22:18:03 GMT
I have always been proud to be a Stoke fan. I’m not a Stoke lad, I was born in Stafford. My first game was in 1969 and if it wasn’t for Stoke I’d have given up on football a long time ago. I have always taken people on when they talk Stoke down. My first line of defence has always been the fans. Pride in the support has always outweighed our achievements. We are Stoke. We have put up with some shit in my 50 years. Way more than we are experiencing now. But I can’t ever recall a support so divisive, so fucking destructive and so vitriolic as this board. 10 years in the Premiership seems to have given us unrealistic expectation. We are still looking down on several bigger clubs than us. People want the Coates family out. Who the fuck they think will buy us out and invest similar money is never made clear. They want a change of manager if we don’t win at least 3 games a month. They demand we are top 6 every year. They want us to appoint managers who would likely say Stoke.. your joking aren’t you, Truth is that reading this board makes me angry. It makes me embarrassed. And seriously I don’t argue the toss with anyone any more about Stoke fans being loyal and proud. 👏👏👏 to everyone who still travels away. I hope they aren’t represented by people on here. PS. Don’t bother responding Bayern. No. I won’t fuck off up the Vale either You would do better if you didn't exaggerate, nobody is demanding instant success but expect progress, most would be ecstatic with a win at the moment and we don't have unrealistic expectations. We have very rich owners and the club should be able to compete with the best with the right approach and management from top to bottom. If anything you are the one doing the Stoke down, fans should have ambition, we don't expect the world but we expect better. There is good and bad debate on this board but the majority on this board are reasonable in their expectations and in their criticism, in fact I think many are too loyal and supportive of a club that has lost it's way big time, too patient and too understanding of the shit show that endured for the last seven years and the mediocre managers we have employed. Most clubs would have sacked Neil by now on his performance last year and he's been given a fairly easy ride by the supporters and this board but here we are again, 7 points out of 24, 20th in the league. You talk of loyalty and pride, well that has to be earned and earned for a future generation of fans as well, but most fans are loyal to a fault as are the posters on here, they just want the best for their club. I'd be more worried if this board was passive and accepting of what we are seeing, if that was the case we would really be in trouble. Bang on the money that pal. Great assessment 👏 👍
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 24, 2023 22:20:49 GMT
Six years of bottom-half second division finishes, and getting worse. But the fans have “unrealistic expectations”. Presumably a realistic expectation would be to narrowly avoid relegation to the 3rd tier every year? Or would that be a bit much as well? These posts would actually be quite insulting if they weren’t so laughably ridiculous. Agreed. Absurd post and the lack of ambition, quite terrifying and indeed, sad.
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Post by mozzer on Sept 24, 2023 22:25:47 GMT
Is the Oatcake representative of all Stoke fans Is it fuck.... 90% on here are knicker wetting jonny come latelys that need results this week, true stoke fans are not happy clappers but they persevere and take the rough with the smooth Been going since 1979. What we have seen this last 7 years is as wank as anything I can recall all things considered ie the fact we actually have money and proper wealthy owners. Its utter shyte chief. Dog eggs. Welcome to the 10% club.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 24, 2023 22:49:34 GMT
We are 8 matches in having signed 17 new players. I still think we should have a little more patience to give the team the chance to gel. Neil has had success elswhere so replacing him would be the same old lottery. He has no excuses this season, the players are his, no doubt if finances permitted he may have chosen alternatives but he had to play the hand he was dealt. Twenty games would be the make or break time for me. Being trigger happy hasn't worked in the past and his replacement would most likely be someone who has been sacked elswhere. I am as disappointed as anyone with the results but accept that it is still work in progress and needs time to work or to fail, hopefully to work. So are Hull 8 games in and they're 4th after pretty much doing the same thing in the Summer
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2023 22:50:59 GMT
This football club has existed since the 1860s. Since the Second World War, we've only played in third tier in two spells for a total of six seasons. So I really dispute this 'little old Stoke' narrative. We're an old club with a long history, we're by far the biggest club in a city with a quarter-of-a-million people in it, and naturally compete somewhere in the top two divisions of English football. But since our relegation from the PL, we haven't been very 'competitive' in any sense of the word, really. Both times we've played in the third tier in our modern history, I hasten to add, came under the ownership of the Coates family. I don't want them gone, and I don't live under the illusion there is some magical owner out there who will pump money into us and make us special, but I do want them to buck their ideas up and implement a modern plan of how to run a football club. It isn't young fans who have unrealistic expectations of the club because they have been spoilt by the riches of 10 years in the PL. It is that a lot of middle-aged ones have a very warped view of the club's natural place in the world because so many their memories watching us in the 1990s came in the third tier - an historic low point for the club. We're not a little club who should forever be looking down at all of the clubs of a similar size of us and thanking God we're not like them. We are a respectable 'medium-sized' (if you will) club who should, at all times, have aspirations of being competitive at the top end of English football. The reality is, especially when you look at clubs like Brentford, Brighton and Bournemouth atm, there is no reason why Stoke couldn't have been like them at this point really. Three clubs who are, in the long-view of football history, all 'smaller' than Stoke, but have simply got modern footballing structures in place to recruit better than us. After 7 or 8 years in the PL, we absolutely should have adopted a structure like that and adopted some sort of stats or metrics based approach to recruitment; rather than spunking a combined £48m on Wimmer, Imbula and Berahino, or giving £50m to Rowett to chaff up the wall on some dross as soon as he arrived. I 100% reserve the right to criticise the board for the series of fundamental mistakes and poor managerial appointments they keep making. Yet the vast majority on this board were praising the new data based recruitment approach this summer. I maintain we have signed some very good players that will eventually come good. We now need to apply this modern approach to recruiting the next manager as it appears Neil is toast. The Coates' should use outside recruitment consultants to get their next man. Give them the points of reference and let professionals find the right fit.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 24, 2023 22:57:07 GMT
This football club has existed since the 1860s. Since the Second World War, we've only played in third tier in two spells for a total of six seasons. So I really dispute this 'little old Stoke' narrative. We're an old club with a long history, we're by far the biggest club in a city with a quarter-of-a-million people in it, and naturally compete somewhere in the top two divisions of English football. But since our relegation from the PL, we haven't been very 'competitive' in any sense of the word, really. Both times we've played in the third tier in our modern history, I hasten to add, came under the ownership of the Coates family. I don't want them gone, and I don't live under the illusion there is some magical owner out there who will pump money into us and make us special, but I do want them to buck their ideas up and implement a modern plan of how to run a football club. It isn't young fans who have unrealistic expectations of the club because they have been spoilt by the riches of 10 years in the PL. It is that a lot of middle-aged ones have a very warped view of the club's natural place in the world because so many their memories watching us in the 1990s came in the third tier - an historic low point for the club. We're not a little club who should forever be looking down at all of the clubs of a similar size of us and thanking God we're not like them. We are a respectable 'medium-sized' (if you will) club who should, at all times, have aspirations of being competitive at the top end of English football. The reality is, especially when you look at clubs like Brentford, Brighton and Bournemouth atm, there is no reason why Stoke couldn't have been like them at this point really. Three clubs who are, in the long-view of football history, all 'smaller' than Stoke, but have simply got modern footballing structures in place to recruit better than us. After 7 or 8 years in the PL, we absolutely should have adopted a structure like that and adopted some sort of stats or metrics based approach to recruitment; rather than spunking a combined £48m on Wimmer, Imbula and Berahino, or giving £50m to Rowett to chaff up the wall on some dross as soon as he arrived. I 100% reserve the right to criticise the board for the series of fundamental mistakes and poor managerial appointments they keep making. Yet the vast majority on this board were praising the new data based recruitment approach this summer. I maintain we have signed some very good players that will eventually come good. We now need to apply this modern approach to recruiting the next manager as it appears Neil is toast. The Coates' should use outside recruitment consultants to get their next man. Give them the points of reference and let professionals find the right fit. Do they have that humility?
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Post by kidcrewbob on Sept 25, 2023 0:13:31 GMT
A load of dewy-eyed waffle about pride - which as we know comes before a fall - every manager since Hughes has been an abject failure and we are no better off than the day we dropped out of the Prem - the club have made some horrendous decisions stretching back to the I’ll-timed Hughes sacking on the heels of an FA cup defeat that whilst disappointing was neither here nor there. Not one of the appointments has been of sufficient quality or,potential to get >75% of the fan base unequivocally onside - it’s been a shit show for too long and we need to be bold with our next appointment both financially and strategically. Weren’t we bold when we appointed a successful International manager. Weren’t we bold when we prised AN from a progressive big club. Weren’t we bold appointing NJ who later attracted a Premiership club. Not bold but the opposite in fact - trying to play it safe with a sequence of mediocre domestic managers poached from other clubs most of which went on to fair better than we subsequently did with each incumbent ……..Blessed with hindsight you are suggesting they were wrong. No hindsight required - I thought each and every one was wrong at the time - that said I accepted and got behind them (as best I could) up to MoN but was vehemently against Alex Neil from the get go - mainly as it was just more of the same. Give me a name of a financially and strategical manager to take us forward We need a decent coach familiar with the modern game and how it’s changed in recent years to focus on the team and how it sets up and plays - for me the financial side is someone else’s job. Most of the candidates would be foreign for sure - John Coates managing to fuck up the QSF deal was a massive fail in my view and the turning g point / nail in the coffin of our demise - that and the sacking of Hughes at the wrong time……
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 25, 2023 9:31:29 GMT
Relegated Bottom half Bottom half Bottom half Bottom half Bottom half Probably bottom half And being in a few relegation scraps too. You can’t criticise Stoke fans for being unhappy. This grateful to exist bollocks has to stop. As do the excuses. It’s not good enough. Little old Stoke, happy with any old shit and no standards. The team got applauded off today. Now that’s fucking embarrassing. I applauded Vidigal off who put the effort in on the pitch and took the time to walk around the edge of the pitch, look the fans in the eye as he showed his appreciation of us and gave his shirt to a kid in the north stand. It was pretty obvious from where I sat that the applause was for him alone not the others in the middle of the pitch, just doing what they had.been told they must.
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 25, 2023 9:50:25 GMT
The average number of posters on here is about 2% of the average gate so I would question whether it was representative. Add to that, I think, the aggressive nature of some posts definitely deters people from posting opposing views to the majority which is sad. We are told that this is a discussion board but several of the more regular posters just hurl insults at each other or anyone who disagrees with them. How often does a thread get taken over by two people having an argument or probably more aptly called a slinging match without posting anything interesting to the rest of us. And then someone posts something which most posters disagree with, often justifying their post, only to be told that they know nothing, are idiotic, have never played football, are happy clappers etc etc. There is no discussion and acceptance that someone with a different view is probably an intelligent, reasonable bloke. There are too many people who won't listen and try to understand different opinions or even justify their own view point. They have the opinion that what they think is the only correct view and if you disagree they can insult you.
As an aside I think the 'little old Stoke' is too often used as an insult. There are some things about being, in many ways, an old fashioned club that we should embrace. We should be proud that Arnie has recently said he really enjoyed being at Stoke because they are a family club, that Bojan has shown his fondness for the club. I would rather support Stoke where I genuinely think the club cares about my views than Utd, Man City, Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs for whom the fans are an aside to the main business.
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Post by redstriper on Sept 25, 2023 9:58:04 GMT
Coates family need sell the club. All there money is blood money. Sell now or soon we will be 2nd division. A candidate for stupidist post of 2023 - congratulations...
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Post by thornestein on Sept 25, 2023 10:01:57 GMT
In short, no it’s not. The ones who shout loudest are always going to use platforms such as this unfortunately. i know loads who never come here but their views are exactly the same as most on here , you probably get more on here who will give the club and manager an easy time
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Post by moon on Sept 25, 2023 10:08:38 GMT
We are 8 matches in having signed 17 new players. I still think we should have a little more patience to give the team the chance to gel. Neil has had success elswhere so replacing him would be the same old lottery. He has no excuses this season, the players are his, no doubt if finances permitted he may have chosen alternatives but he had to play the hand he was dealt. Twenty games would be the make or break time for me. Being trigger happy hasn't worked in the past and his replacement would most likely be someone who has been sacked elswhere. I am as disappointed as anyone with the results but accept that it is still work in progress and needs time to work or to fail, hopefully to work. Well said. I don’t think he is going anywhere yet despite the very disappointing start to the season. He can still turn this around. I think we have to stick with him until the end of the year and review it then, but if things haven’t improved significantly by December then I think he’ll be on his way. Getting a new manager every other year is doing us no favours. Fingers crossed he turns it around.
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Post by h5nty on Sept 25, 2023 11:47:23 GMT
Coates family need sell the club. All there money is blood money. Sell now or soon we will be 2nd division. Blood money? Compared to some football club owners? Really? What a stupid post.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 25, 2023 11:52:50 GMT
We are 8 matches in having signed 17 new players. I still think we should have a little more patience to give the team the chance to gel. Neil has had success elswhere so replacing him would be the same old lottery. He has no excuses this season, the players are his, no doubt if finances permitted he may have chosen alternatives but he had to play the hand he was dealt. Twenty games would be the make or break time for me. Being trigger happy hasn't worked in the past and his replacement would most likely be someone who has been sacked elswhere. I am as disappointed as anyone with the results but accept that it is still work in progress and needs time to work or to fail, hopefully to work. Well said. I don’t think he is going anywhere yet despite the very disappointing start to the season. He can still turn this around. I think we have to stick with him until the end of the year and review it then, but if things haven’t improved significantly by December then I think he’ll be on his way. Getting a new manager every other year is doing us no favours. Fingers crossed he turns it around. It's definitely fixable though his inability to see where the problems lie is worrying.
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Post by victoria on Sept 25, 2023 12:18:44 GMT
It unrealistic to expect promotion. I do not think the owners want that expense again. Most supporters want to be entertained with more wins/ draws than loses.
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Post by dirtclod on Sept 25, 2023 14:26:41 GMT
The Oatcake? When we lose it's a bloodbath and when we win, we're "gonna piss the league." (Imagine that on a forum designed to provide a space for fan-opinions!)
I often pause before posting following one of these ... flaccid losses, or I'd be just another resident rager on here. The past 6,7 years have been a stress-test. If it persists, we'll all earn our doctorates in raging.
But obviously, this isn't cutting it - AN needs to get a grip and go after these other teams. Stop with the 5 at the back nonsense, you didn't recruit for 5 at the back and it's not the way you say that you want to play. (And for certain, not the way we want to watch us play) We'll win some and lose some but at least we'll do something and these guys can start getting a clue with a little consistency. And this defense, yes we need some sort of leader, probably an enforcer or two and above all and right NOW, they need to practice defense during the week!
Yes we have 17 new players, but other managers have had extensive playing-staff overhauls with quicker results. I'd love to see some continental "fancy dan" who is a tactical genius that can win with any old garbage show up here, but we're not in the PL and that just makes it harder to land one. Hard, but not impossible. Yep I think we blew it with QSF. (Provided that he really was ever that interested in the first place) And if we do land one and he is successful then we'll only have him for a couple of years before he's hoovered up by a PL team.
But, something's amiss over and above the endless manager signings/firings. I think we've improved on recruiting, but that bar was set way low given our recent past history. And yes, we need to start becoming competitive and demonstrate at least some consistency before we start thinking about promotion. Don't know how we can come out like we did and blow in 4 goals, then look like we're just "hanging around" out there for the next run of games without a clue as to how to score. Don't know if AN's pissing off the players, scaring the players or just dealing with player-apathy. Probably a little of all of it given the chopping/changing. Looks like it hasn't stopped Vidigal - that's always a good thing.
Edit: Sorry, forgot to answer the OP question. Yes, the Oatcake is representative of the fan base just like those who don't post on it but support/follow the team are representative of it. All that together represents the fan-base to me. Does the Oatcake trend towards a more negative outlook? Yes I think so, but after these losses what do we expect?
The only common thread that I can see is that we keep getting managers who SAY they want to play a certain way, then fail to recruit or set up for it.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 25, 2023 14:47:30 GMT
Coates family need sell the club. All there money is blood money. Sell now or soon we will be 2nd division. A candidate for stupidist post of 2023 - congratulations... I think the spelling sums up the post 👍
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