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Post by mrnovember on Sept 25, 2023 17:26:54 GMT
I'm not sure waiting until the international break is the right call. I can't see us knowing any more by then than we do now.
I mean, it's possible that Neil will wake up and address the myriad issues that are crystal clear to the majority of fans judging by, not only reading this site, but from conversations with actual real people in actual real life over the last fortnight or so. And if so, maybe we'll get 6 or 7 points. Who knows? It's possible.
It's also possible that Maya Jama is desperately hoping her next sexual encounter comes in the form of a fat bloke from Stoke in his mid thirties who displays a severe lack of ambition, poor to unacceptable levels of personal pride and a less than impressive penis.
We've procastinated when we should have been more decisive and sacked managers before. It feels like the right time to correct this course.
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Post by shrewspotter on Sept 25, 2023 17:37:18 GMT
I'm not sure waiting until the international break is the right call. I can't see us knowing any more by then than we do now. I mean, it's possible that Neil will wake up and address the myriad issues that are crystal clear to the majority of fans judging by, not only reading this site, but from conversations with actual real people in actual real life over the last fortnight or so. And if so, maybe we'll get 6 or 7 points. Who knows? It's possible. It's also possible that Maya Jama is desperately hoping her next sexual encounter comes in the form of a fat bloke from Stoke in his mid thirties who displays a severe lack of ambition, poor to unacceptable levels of personal pride and a less than impressive penis. We've procastinated when we should have been more decisive and sacked managers before. It feels like the right time to correct this course. you don't need to be too hard on yourself matey, I'm sure you don't lack ambition
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Post by milky on Sept 25, 2023 17:40:37 GMT
I'm starting to think that most football managers are pig headed egotistical wankers who will stop at nothing in an attempt to be proved right and will end up cutting off their nose to spite their face.
Let's face it he isn't the first manager here to steadfastly stick to a system that isn't working or continue to pick players woefully out of form and refuse to see what's playing out in front of them.
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Post by Miles Offside on Sept 25, 2023 17:58:37 GMT
I wonder if the Board are even considering his future. The club's already got a bit of a reputation for hiring and firing managers since Hughes was sacked, and he's yet another manager they've backed big time in the transfer market.
Does paying-off of managers come under FFP? If not, JC could afford to pay Graham Potter whatever needed to get him here while there's still time to turn things around.
Some keep calling for a foreign manager. That's fine if he's got a good track record in English football, otherwise it's a big risky step into the unknown.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 25, 2023 18:01:09 GMT
I wonder if the Board are even considering his future. The club's already got a bit of a reputation for hiring and firing managers since Hughes was sacked, and he's yet another manager they've backed big time in the transfer market. Does paying-off of managers come under FFP? If not, JC could afford to pay Graham Potter whatever needed to get him here while there's still time to turn things around. Some keep calling for a foreign manager. That's fine if he's got a good track record in English football, otherwise it's a big risky step into the unknown. Seems all Stokes managerial appointments are a massive risk tbf
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 25, 2023 18:08:53 GMT
I doubt the board have have given sacking him a single thought at this stage.
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Post by hamsta2 on Sept 25, 2023 18:08:53 GMT
I wonder if the Board are even considering his future. The club's already got a bit of a reputation for hiring and firing managers since Hughes was sacked, and he's yet another manager they've backed big time in the transfer market. Does paying-off of managers come under FFP? If not, JC could afford to pay Graham Potter whatever needed to get him here while there's still time to turn things around. Some keep calling for a foreign manager. That's fine if he's got a good track record in English football, otherwise it's a big risky step into the unknown. Seems all Stokes managerial appointments are a massive risk tbf I’m not a conspiracy theorist but there appears to be something badly wrong. Haven’t a clue what tbf but good managers don’t become crap overnight unless they come here. With the anomaly being Jones who was even worse at Southampton. Who I think will be us MK 2.
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Post by Miles Offside on Sept 25, 2023 18:09:55 GMT
I wonder if the Board are even considering his future. The club's already got a bit of a reputation for hiring and firing managers since Hughes was sacked, and he's yet another manager they've backed big time in the transfer market. Does paying-off of managers come under FFP? If not, JC could afford to pay Graham Potter whatever needed to get him here while there's still time to turn things around. Some keep calling for a foreign manager. That's fine if he's got a good track record in English football, otherwise it's a big risky step into the unknown. Seems all Stokes managerial appointments are a massive risk tbf True. But I think there are different levels of risk. There's no guarantee Potter would succeed, but in my view he'd be a much safer bet than someone from abroad who's never managed in English football.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 25, 2023 18:38:34 GMT
I wonder if the Board are even considering his future. The club's already got a bit of a reputation for hiring and firing managers since Hughes was sacked, and he's yet another manager they've backed big time in the transfer market. Does paying-off of managers come under FFP? If not, JC could afford to pay Graham Potter whatever needed to get him here while there's still time to turn things around. Some keep calling for a foreign manager. That's fine if he's got a good track record in English football, otherwise it's a big risky step into the unknown. Potter isn’t going to come to Stoke, people just need to accept that. If he hadn’t played for the club briefly the idea would be laughed out of town unreservedly for the pie in the sky it is. Maybe a big risky step into the unknown (and it wouldn’t necessarily be that if we do our homework) is what’s needed? The ‘known’ hasn’t gone great…
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2023 18:44:04 GMT
Now the dust has settled and the mist has cleared I’m now of the opinion that this guy has until the international break to improve us. He’s doing my head in now with his weird starting line ups, formations and subs. 4 at the back, drop Laurent, players in their positions and let’s see how we go unfortunately he won’t drop the guy he made Captain, he should but he’s way to stubborn for that He will if he thinks it will save his job. He'd do it in a heartbeat. Unfortunately I don't think the answer is as simple as just dropping Laurent. It would be a start but the CBs are a much bigger concern. All three need dropping but we have to play two of them.
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Post by stokieinlondon on Sept 25, 2023 19:06:08 GMT
Statistically is he better or worse than NJ?
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Post by philb on Sept 25, 2023 19:13:02 GMT
I doubt the board have have given sacking him a single thought at this stage. Another couple of defeats and us sitting in the bottom three will change that.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 25, 2023 19:30:08 GMT
Statistically is he better or worse than NJ? Better points per game. MON 128 47 33 48 174 1.36 Rowett 26 08 11 07 35 1.35 Neil 48 14 11 23 53 1.10 Jones 34 05 13 16 28 0.82
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Sept 25, 2023 19:43:15 GMT
Till Christmas time but with a serious uplift needed.
Guardiola (not saying he's in that class or even comparing him to Pep) has an embarrassment of riches but whilst he may change personal he rarely changes the shape.
Get back to a 4,2,3,1 4,3,3 God even a 4,4,2 Alex and show us you're the manager a lot of us thought you were.
Start to have the opposition shitting themselves about us and not the other way around.
Plus, anyone have any faith the board won't make another pigs ear of an appointment?
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Post by philb on Sept 25, 2023 19:46:22 GMT
Till Christmas time but with a serious uplift needed. Guardiola (not saying he's in that class or even comparing him to Pep) has an embarrassment of riches but whilst he may change personal he rarely changes the shape. Get back to a 4,2,3,1 4,3,3 God even a 4,4,2 Alex and show us you're the manager a lot of us thought you were. Start to have the opposition shitting themselves about us and not the other way around. Plus, anyone have any faith the board won't make another pigs ear of an appointment? Would you still give him until Christmas if say we’re bottom three end of October, which let’s face it is a big possibility with our upcoming fixtures?
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Sept 25, 2023 19:48:59 GMT
Till Christmas time but with a serious uplift needed. Guardiola (not saying he's in that class or even comparing him to Pep) has an embarrassment of riches but whilst he may change personal he rarely changes the shape. Get back to a 4,2,3,1 4,3,3 God even a 4,4,2 Alex and show us you're the manager a lot of us thought you were. Start to have the opposition shitting themselves about us and not the other way around. Plus, anyone have any faith the board won't make another pigs ear of an appointment? Would you still give him until Christmas if say we’re bottom three end of October, which let’s face it is a big possibility with our upcoming fixtures? I think it would depend on how those games played out. I do think/hope/pray that once this team gels it can do something. 17 players is a lot to bring in and expect instant chemistry. He's made a rod for his own back. He now needs to sort it and quickly.
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Post by DC1863 on Sept 25, 2023 20:03:39 GMT
What I don't like is this insinuation that the fans are being plastic or fickle:
"If you win a game, you're going up. If you lose a game, you're getting relegated. That's the nature of football now"
No mate, we're on a five game winless streak, on the back of 5/6 years of endless dross, after yet another home humbling this time to Hull City.
He knows that though, which makes the comment a little bitter and disingenuous in my eyes.
Maybe it was a off-hand comment, but I dont think it was tbh, and I don't like our fans being thrown under the bus for him to save face.
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Post by tallerthancrouch on Sept 25, 2023 20:08:10 GMT
My guess is he will have till end of jan , JC is convinced he is the right man for the long term project , and following the last couple of managers doesn’t want to sack him . Also it would cost ALOT
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Post by theonlooker on Sept 25, 2023 20:09:04 GMT
What I don't like is this insinuation that the fans are being plastic or fickle: "If you win a game, you're going up. If you lose a game, you're getting relegated. That's the nature of football now" No mate, we're on a five game winless streak, on the back of 5/6 years of endless dross, after yet another home humbling this time to Hull City. He knows that though, which makes the comment a little bitter and disingenuous in my eyes. Maybe it was a off-hand comment, but I dont think it was tbh, and I don't like our fans being thrown under the bus for him to save face. He doesn't understand the fans or the area, which given his PR stunt at the pub in the summer is pretty poor. He clearly didn't listen or understand and just went there for the photos. To say he understands the booing because fans go and expect to win is a low blow. Stoke fans are some of the fairest around if they see 11 lads pulling their tripe out. We'll back them to the hilt. We expect to see commitment and effort to win a game of football. We're not stupid and know only too well you can't guarantee a win, but you can get as close as possible to guarantee a good, solid performance.
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Post by neddy on Sept 25, 2023 20:12:34 GMT
What I don't like is this insinuation that the fans are being plastic or fickle: "If you win a game, you're going up. If you lose a game, you're getting relegated. That's the nature of football now" No mate, we're on a five game winless streak, on the back of 5/6 years of endless dross, after yet another home humbling this time to Hull City. He knows that though, which makes the comment a little bitter and disingenuous in my eyes. Maybe it was a off-hand comment, but I dont think it was tbh, and I don't like our fans being thrown under the bus for him to save face. He doesn't understand the fans or the area, which given his PR stunt at the pub in the summer is pretty poor. He clearly didn't listen or understand and just went there for the photos. To say he understands the booing because fans go and expect to win is a low blow. Stoke fans are some of the fairest around if they see 11 lads pulling their tripe out. We'll back them to the hilt. We expect to see commitment and effort to win a game of football. We're not stupid and know only too well you can't guarantee a win, but you can get as close as possible to guarantee a good, solid performance. Great two posts chaps…..exactly as I think about the current situation. A vocal minority actually hurl abuse and the vast majority are fair minded as you say.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Sept 25, 2023 21:11:43 GMT
If we lose on Saturday, which we will, I expect we'll start looking for another manager. He's proven he can't improve players, he's lost his head.
We're in real danger of relegation this season with this squad
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Post by misterj on Sept 25, 2023 21:26:19 GMT
As others have said, three at the back failed, Laurent as captain failed, purchasing three wingers (even more if you count Hoever, Leris) and then not using width failed, selling two LB’s Fox & Tymon failed …… too many things not quite right which wouldn’t take much effort to sort out?
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Post by chamberlain on Sept 25, 2023 21:56:02 GMT
What I don't like is this insinuation that the fans are being plastic or fickle: "If you win a game, you're going up. If you lose a game, you're getting relegated. That's the nature of football now" No mate, we're on a five game winless streak, on the back of 5/6 years of endless dross, after yet another home humbling this time to Hull City. He knows that though, which makes the comment a little bitter and disingenuous in my eyes. Maybe it was a off-hand comment, but I dont think it was tbh, and I don't like our fans being thrown under the bus for him to save face. He doesn't understand the fans or the area, which given his PR stunt at the pub in the summer is pretty poor. He clearly didn't listen or understand and just went there for the photos. To say he understands the booing because fans go and expect to win is a low blow. Stoke fans are some of the fairest around if they see 11 lads pulling their tripe out. We'll back them to the hilt. We expect to see commitment and effort to win a game of football. We're not stupid and know only too well you can't guarantee a win, but you can get as close as possible to guarantee a good, solid performance. I havent seen that remark by Neil , but he needs to be very careful what he says.
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 25, 2023 22:54:27 GMT
These next 3 games are really tough, we could well come out of them with no points and that would require a response from the Board because we will be in big trouble if that happens
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Post by hotpot on Sept 26, 2023 3:01:40 GMT
As in The Godfather... when Michael Corleone wanted Mo Green's casinos in Las Vegas: " You are unlucky" ....
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Post by theonlooker on Sept 26, 2023 5:06:30 GMT
He doesn't understand the fans or the area, which given his PR stunt at the pub in the summer is pretty poor. He clearly didn't listen or understand and just went there for the photos. To say he understands the booing because fans go and expect to win is a low blow. Stoke fans are some of the fairest around if they see 11 lads pulling their tripe out. We'll back them to the hilt. We expect to see commitment and effort to win a game of football. We're not stupid and know only too well you can't guarantee a win, but you can get as close as possible to guarantee a good, solid performance. I havent seen that remark by Neil , but he needs to be very careful what he says. I've actually paraphrased it incorrectly, so that's a mistake on my part but the actual quote I think reads worse in some respects. “I’ll never have any qualms about supporters if they want to boo to voice their frustration, I get it. They’re here to support their team, they want to see their team win and when you don't win, I think particularly in modern day football, it's either one extreme or the other, isn't it? You win a game, you're going up, you lose a game, you’re getting relegated and you’re crap. That's just the nature of football now." Again, Stoke fans are fair and square. See a team giving it their all and the odd defeat here and there would be forgiven. Lose 5 out of 8 with a manager playing Football Manager with players all over the place and they're going to react aren't they, especially after 6 years of utter dross? So apologies for the mistake in misquoting but he can still go and fcuk himself for the actual quote for thinking that about us.
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Post by idle on Sept 26, 2023 6:21:18 GMT
I havent seen that remark by Neil , but he needs to be very careful what he says. I've actually paraphrased it incorrectly, so that's a mistake on my part but the actual quote I think reads worse in some respects. “I’ll never have any qualms about supporters if they want to boo to voice their frustration, I get it. They’re here to support their team, they want to see their team win and when you don't win, I think particularly in modern day football, it's either one extreme or the other, isn't it? You win a game, you're going up, you lose a game, you’re getting relegated and you’re crap. That's just the nature of football now." Again, Stoke fans are fair and square. See a team giving it their all and the odd defeat here and there would be forgiven. Lose 5 out of 8 with a manager playing Football Manager with players all over the place and they're going to react aren't they, especially after 6 years of utter dross? So apologies for the mistake in misquoting but he can still go and fcuk himself for the actual quote for thinking that about us. That's really unfair on us playing FM! I always use the same formation when first picked, with only minor tweaks in attacking mentality, pressing and passing style when facing much better opposition. Only losers change formation every time they lose a game, and keep the same if they pick up a point (sound familiar?)
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Post by thornestein on Sept 26, 2023 6:26:42 GMT
I havent seen that remark by Neil , but he needs to be very careful what he says. I've actually paraphrased it incorrectly, so that's a mistake on my part but the actual quote I think reads worse in some respects. “I’ll never have any qualms about supporters if they want to boo to voice their frustration, I get it. They’re here to support their team, they want to see their team win and when you don't win, I think particularly in modern day football, it's either one extreme or the other, isn't it? You win a game, you're going up, you lose a game, you’re getting relegated and you’re crap. That's just the nature of football now." Again, Stoke fans are fair and square. See a team giving it their all and the odd defeat here and there would be forgiven. Lose 5 out of 8 with a manager playing Football Manager with players all over the place and they're going to react aren't they, especially after 6 years of utter dross? So apologies for the mistake in misquoting but he can still go and fcuk himself for the actual quote for thinking that about us. it’s quotes like that what can turn his supporters against him
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Post by chamberlain on Sept 26, 2023 7:29:49 GMT
I havent seen that remark by Neil , but he needs to be very careful what he says. I've actually paraphrased it incorrectly, so that's a mistake on my part but the actual quote I think reads worse in some respects. “I’ll never have any qualms about supporters if they want to boo to voice their frustration, I get it. They’re here to support their team, they want to see their team win and when you don't win, I think particularly in modern day football, it's either one extreme or the other, isn't it? You win a game, you're going up, you lose a game, you’re getting relegated and you’re crap. That's just the nature of football now." Again, Stoke fans are fair and square. See a team giving it their all and the odd defeat here and there would be forgiven. Lose 5 out of 8 with a manager playing Football Manager with players all over the place and they're going to react aren't they, especially after 6 years of utter dross? So apologies for the mistake in misquoting but he can still go and fcuk himself for the actual quote for thinking that about us. It does read worse , if he takes on the supporters it's not going to end well for him.
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Sept 27, 2023 20:38:26 GMT
Surely another 90 minutes closer to being shown the door, the only small glimmer of positivity he can take from tonight is that against Premiership opposition we weren't spanked by 5 or 6. Saturday's match will be huge for him. Gouranga.
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