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Post by greenhoff on Sept 25, 2023 6:23:23 GMT
It's getting towards Nutty Nathan territory now isn't it? Exactly the same sort of flip-flopping between multiple systems without allowing time for the players to adapt, often in games too when we inevitably concede the first goal and are chasing the game, absolute myopia regarding the fact that for vast proportion of games we have lost we have been out fought and out thought - we haven't played well in the league since Rotherham opening game, save for last half hour at Millwall (and even that was a desperate gamble after we were utterly woeful before that), followed by negative shape in the following games which always invites the opposition to bully us and control the tempo. The fact that he always seems to revert to the back 3 even though we recruited to play with width and neglected to add players who fit into that system, and the same players who let us down week after week (Laurent, Rose, Burger to an extent who has struggled to adapt to the physicality of the division) seeming to be undroppable. Furthermore we look to be a horrible mixture of disorganized behind the ball (we are so easy to pull around, lack leadership and composure across the back line, and in front of it too, we neglect to do the basics of tracking runners and the character to do the dirty work of putting the foot in, closing down the opposition in our own half and playing percentages to relieve pressure) and looking toothless up front (overplaying it backwards and sideways that kill possession and concede territory and when we do get the ball forward, without width, movement off the ball or anyone looking to take charge by looking to gamble either by running at people or playing killer balls that force the opposition backwards and allowing us to build a head of steam). It's a turgid pile of steaming horseshit served to us through the medium of hyperbole and exoticism but has been shown to be without substance, style or indeed any form of cohesion in any area. MON got sacked with a superior record and after he at least restored a bit of pride to our club, even though he was hamstrung by FFP and not being the afforded the opportunity to rebuild a team in his own image. What's this Charlatans excuse? Has to be gone asap, if the next few games are against the 'better' teams in the division we might as well let Ryan take the reins and see it as a free hit, and learn something new about what we have in the building rather than persist with Neil, inevitably rinse and repeat what we have already seen already this season and get our arses kicked anyway. Great Post. I was underwhelmed when he was appointed. Saying that I remain stunned of how completely useless he's been. The constant chopping and changing, the tactical ineptness and his sheer unlikeability. If he's not sacked today we are just delaying the inevitable.
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Post by idle on Sept 25, 2023 7:15:00 GMT
I was underwhelmed when he was appointed. Saying that I remain stunned of how completely useless he's been. The constant chopping and changing, the tactical ineptness and his sheer unlikeability. If he's not sacked today we are just delaying the inevitable. I was prepared to give him until christmas, and even the full season, if there was signs of improvement. Even if we played one good game and lost the next. If we showed some kind of pattern in attack movement. If we showed that we had some kind of organization at the back. That the midfield was able to cover and support. But none of this have happened. If anything we looked MORE disorganized after the international break. Probably due to the inconsistent formations and selections. The defence don't know what the others are doing or even where they're supposed to cover. The back three doesn't suit any of the CBs, and even so AN uses our slowest and biggest CB on the side. The wingbacks are just not that, they're wingers/full-back utility players. And don't even get me started on using Johnson there, our most creative player. MON was derided for using Thompson there, and this is even worse! The midfield seems to be getting worse as well, and without Pearson we're back to the warm knife through butter midfield of the last seasons. Laurent should be captain, or even in the first 11. Thompson should be behind Sidebe in the queue. We have no creativity in the centre, and the opposition just need to target Burger and close him down, and we have absolutely nothing. Not any wonder the CBs lump it again and again. Which takes us to the attack. Most teams either play with 3 CBs and 2 DMs or a 4 backline and either one or two DMs. Our three midfielder don't really support the attackers, so it's always 3 against 5 defenders. Our 3 then get isolated. The wingers aren't close enough to the central forward, either hugging the line or dropping back into an AM position. We're a team completely dependant on individual skill(magic) to create anything at all. This is why Vidi is our only real threat. And sure, we've been unlucky with injuries (we've always been, at least since we came down), but AN himself sanctioned the sale of Tymon, leaving us without a cover left fullback. We failed to secure a leader in defence. At least we've got 3 attacking fullbacks on the right... IMO the midfield recruitment have been good, we've got a core of Pearson, Burger and Johnson, plus a promising Junho. Having Sidebe (or even Thompson) and Laurent as backup is fine. But ANs insistence on not using an AM in a 4-2-3-1 is keeping them from flourishing. In attack we've been really unlucky (not irony), but when AN spent the entire summer chasing a "no.9" and ending up with Haks (good player, but not a #9!), I'm at a loss. I understand we can't get every target, but still. I wanted AN to succeed, and thought the "blip" last season proved he could do it, but the current run of results is beyond awful. And, it's his own doing. We're a CB, LB and a CF away from being a playoff-chasing side. And I've lost faith in AN, so chalk up a manager on that list as well. The only thing that can save him now is 3 wins on the trot in the league, in addition to a good performance (or at least a battling one) vs. Bournemouth.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 25, 2023 7:31:17 GMT
I want to know the thought process the powers-that-be had when the bid for Tymon was accepted. At what point did we think Gooch and Tchamadeu were the best way to spend £2m+ in that last 36 hours, with an injury-prone 33yo the only LB on the books? Neil: We've got players who can play there but the issue we’ve got is because we didn’t get that left-sided centre-back, we’re right footed there and right-footed (at left-back), which is not ideal. You made it 'not ideal' Neil. You. Are you fucking stupid? You do read his excuse on this one and just gasp. It is easy to hit a man who's down and trying his best, but he's not helping himself with this throwing shit at the wall response to Stevens' absence. www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-hull-talking-points-8776433The left-back hole Stoke could point to bad luck when Ryan Mmaee, Andre Vidigal or Ki-Jana Hoever, none of whom has any real injury record of note, have missed games in the opening weeks of the season. But the one starter who does have that asterisk next to his name is Enda Stevens. That has been the area where Stoke have been horribly exposed. It’s led to a change of formation, players squeezed into awkward positions, goals conceded, defeats and pressure building. Neil said: “We've got players who can play there but the issue we’ve got is because we didn’t get that left-sided centre-back, we’re right footed there and right-footed (at left-back), which is not ideal. There are certain games at this level when you can get away with it because I think there's certain teams that don't exploit it and try to make it difficult. “But I think there's certain games like today that might become really difficult when you haven't got that natural balance, hence the reason I played DJ there. He did really well in the last game but this was a very, very different type of game.” The bad news is that it doesn’t sound like Stevens is due back imminently.
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Post by theonlooker on Sept 25, 2023 7:36:42 GMT
Fancy signing a 33 year old left back with a very recent history of long term injuries, selling his replacement and then not replacing him?
Then acting all shocked when he gets injured and you have nobody there to replace him.
A lot of the time, management is all about risk management and we've actually increased the risk in that area by our actions or non actions in the latter part of the window.
I'd be asking serious questions of the manager and Technical Director if I were Coates.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 25, 2023 7:42:36 GMT
Fancy signing a 33 year old left back with a very recent history of long term injuries, selling his replacement and then not replacing him? Then acting all shocked when he gets injured and you have nobody there to replace him. A lot of the time, management is all about risk management and we've actually increased the risk in that area by our actions or non actions in the latter part of the window. I'd be asking serious questions of the manager and Technical Director if I were Coates. Thanks Jon what your missing is “ This is a strategic vision where cultural catalysts provide the pillars for future cosmic growth “
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 25, 2023 7:45:11 GMT
Fancy signing a 33 year old left back with a very recent history of long term injuries, selling his replacement and then not replacing him? Then acting all shocked when he gets injured and you have nobody there to replace him. A lot of the time, management is all about risk management and we've actually increased the risk in that area by our actions or non actions in the latter part of the window. I'd be asking serious questions of the manager and Technical Director if I were Coates. Thanks Jon what your missing is “ This is a strategic vision where cultural catalysts provide the pillars for future cosmic growth “ What does that even mean. Cosmic growth. Did he actually say that 😆 🤣
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Post by itsmorethanagame on Sept 25, 2023 8:11:25 GMT
The lack of a left sided defender was the biggest problem with the business we did this summer.
For sure we could have done with another striker but at the time Mmaee wasn’t injured and we have to factor in that we’ve got Gayle on 20k a week taking up space. With Campbell, Mmaee, Wesley, Gayle and Tezgel I think i we’ve just got to take that on the chin.
A left back or at very least a left footed centre half who could fill in always looked the most neglected bit.
And the irony of course is that we signed 3 right backs. Now Neil showed last year he’s not adverse to putting a right back in on the left so presumably that was in back of his mind when we signed both Gooch and Junior after already having Hoever.
But you can’t then turn around and moan that we havent got a left footer to play there after a few weeks of the season.
You could argue that Junior is next season’s replacement for Hoever and we wanted to bring him in now while the chance was there. But I can’t accept having 3 right backs in the match day squad but being unwilling to play any of them on the left in the absence of anyone else to do it.
Johnson was excellent there on Wednesday but I suppose he was never likely to keep that up every match when so out of position.
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Post by svengaliinplatforms on Sept 25, 2023 9:02:37 GMT
Stafylidis is available as a Free Agent 👀
Left Back + Free Agents brings up a very weak list of options. Danny Rose, anyone??
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Post by vidigal7 on Sept 25, 2023 9:07:00 GMT
Fancy signing a 33 year old left back with a very recent history of long term injuries, selling his replacement and then not replacing him? Then acting all shocked when he gets injured and you have nobody there to replace him. A lot of the time, management is all about risk management and we've actually increased the risk in that area by our actions or non actions in the latter part of the window. I'd be asking serious questions of the manager and Technical Director if I were Coates. We've got Thchamdeu that we've been told can play there, you know, play him there. His whole family were in a box yesterday behind me Intrigued to see what we do at Bristol.
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Post by samuel32 on Sept 25, 2023 9:10:23 GMT
He also let Morgan Fox leave.
Sometimes you've just got to admit you're wrong. He's losing the confidence of players and fans with these excuses.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 25, 2023 9:16:11 GMT
Thanks Jon what your missing is “ This is a strategic vision where cultural catalysts provide the pillars for future cosmic growth “ What does that even mean. Cosmic growth. Did he actually say that 😆 🤣 To be fair i added that bit
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Post by marrer on Sept 25, 2023 9:19:43 GMT
I thought this was a thread about Eddie Jones and the Wallabies. Wrong message board
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Post by starkiller on Sept 25, 2023 9:46:05 GMT
Ricky Martin said in pre-season that we've signed players to give Neil 'options'. But surely we just need one very good, consistent way of playing, most of the time? Instead Neil keeps chopping and changing every game or two because he has no confidence in one single approach (or hasn't signed like for like back ups). And, guess what? The players now have no confidence in what they're doing either. After all the managers we've been through I don't want to change again. But unless Neil changes, we need someone new. Coates Sr & Jr are fans, and they'll see what we're seeing, hopefully. But they really need to go for a progressive, visionary manager not the stale, same old crap we've had recently. You would think that most managers have a preferred form of playing. And Neil had a chance to recruit players to fit that. However, I've no idea what he wants to do with this lot.
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Post by Los Alfareros on Sept 25, 2023 9:48:02 GMT
As so often happens when I hear the team read out pre-match, my heart sinks, knowing that we're in for yet another aimless, shapeless display. The 3-5-2 system we adopted at Huddersfield looked like a dog's dinner, and it only picked up a point due to how bad the opposition were. Sticking with it against a decent Hull side was the first of many poor decisions from Alex Neil today. First of all, Daniel Johnson isn't a wing back. He's versatile, but only in an attacking sense. Could it be that a decision to sell our best (only) left wing-back an hour before the transfer window closed then switch to a system that uses wing-backs is actually the most thick-as-pigshit decision we've seen in recent times? I'm not sure, because the decision to load the squad with wingers, have four of them on the pitch at one time today, but not a single one actually playing as a winger could equal it. Yep, how about a forward pairing of two tricky wingers who both look like they can beat a man and cut in...why don't we pair them up and lump the ball forward to them, while we leave our target man on the bench. How's that for a plan? Or what about this:we'll line up with 3 at the back and very high wing backs. So high up in fact (none of those stupid fans will be able to say we were negative then!) that there are two enormous spaces on either flank. Acres of room...hectares of room...great fucking swathes of African plain levels of room...where wildebeests can roam and Hull wingers can run into space completely unopposed, pulling our Three Stooges backline (or the Three Fannies as I've christened them) all over the place. Fair play to Liam Rosenior because he spotted this after about ten minutes, switching from a 4-4-2 to a 4-3-3 with his wingers high up in these unmanned spaces. A competent manager, however- someone who knows how tactics work rather than, say, a complete and utter fuckwit- would respond by switching to 4 at the back and blocking off these sudden avenues of joy that Hull had discovered. We didn't do that though. We just let them keep doing it as our defence flailed about, our midfielders had no idea whether to drop into spaces, track runners or press the ball. Instead they just stood transfixed, unsure as to what was being asked of them, watching waves of Hull players pour forward into our half unchallenged. It's absolutely pathetic. I feel sorry for the players, because it isn't going to be possible for them to gel unless they've actually got some sort of consistent structure and game plan to play to. Whatever we were trying to do today I have absolutely no idea. They didn't either. It was shambolic, and every single one of them was hung out to dry by an idiot who needs to sort his shit out immediately or fuck off out of this job. Exactly as I saw it and very worrying. Anyway, I am gone now, my worm has turned and the defeat next Saturday will be the final straw when we all turn.... I made the mistake of watching his comments after the game, fuck me the arrogance and excuses, he is starting to make me physically sick by looking and listening to him, I was a whisker away from lobbing the ashtray through the fucking telly.
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Post by Miles Offside on Sept 25, 2023 17:44:58 GMT
As so often happens when I hear the team read out pre-match, my heart sinks, knowing that we're in for yet another aimless, shapeless display. The 3-5-2 system we adopted at Huddersfield looked like a dog's dinner, and it only picked up a point due to how bad the opposition were. Sticking with it against a decent Hull side was the first of many poor decisions from Alex Neil today. First of all, Daniel Johnson isn't a wing back. He's versatile, but only in an attacking sense. Could it be that a decision to sell our best (only) left wing-back an hour before the transfer window closed then switch to a system that uses wing-backs is actually the most thick-as-pigshit decision we've seen in recent times? I'm not sure, because the decision to load the squad with wingers, have four of them on the pitch at one time today, but not a single one actually playing as a winger could equal it. Yep, how about a forward pairing of two tricky wingers who both look like they can beat a man and cut in...why don't we pair them up and lump the ball forward to them, while we leave our target man on the bench. How's that for a plan? Or what about this:we'll line up with 3 at the back and very high wing backs. So high up in fact (none of those stupid fans will be able to say we were negative then!) that there are two enormous spaces on either flank. Acres of room...hectares of room...great fucking swathes of African plain levels of room...where wildebeests can roam and Hull wingers can run into space completely unopposed, pulling our Three Stooges backline (or the Three Fannies as I've christened them) all over the place. Fair play to Liam Rosenior because he spotted this after about ten minutes, switching from a 4-4-2 to a 4-3-3 with his wingers high up in these unmanned spaces. A competent manager, however- someone who knows how tactics work rather than, say, a complete and utter fuckwit- would respond by switching to 4 at the back and blocking off these sudden avenues of joy that Hull had discovered. We didn't do that though. We just let them keep doing it as our defence flailed about, our midfielders had no idea whether to drop into spaces, track runners or press the ball. Instead they just stood transfixed, unsure as to what was being asked of them, watching waves of Hull players pour forward into our half unchallenged. It's absolutely pathetic. I feel sorry for the players, because it isn't going to be possible for them to gel unless they've actually got some sort of consistent structure and game plan to play to. Whatever we were trying to do today I have absolutely no idea. They didn't either. It was shambolic, and every single one of them was hung out to dry by an idiot who needs to sort his shit out immediately or fuck off out of this job. Great post: spot on and entertaining! I also felt sorry for the players, but not as sorry as I did for myself and the other watching victims of this completely avoidable horror show. Before yesterday, if pushed, I'd have leaned towards the "give him a bit more time" argument. Not any more.
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Post by dirtclod on Sept 26, 2023 0:07:24 GMT
Quit trying to set up differently for different teams. F^ck them, make them react to us not the other way around. Stay with a formation, home and away. Develop consistent tactics. Drill this into the players' heads. Every week. Square pegs hasn't worked, nor will it. Pick a system, recruit for it and f*cking PLAY it FFS! There are times I can't tell WHAT formation they're trying to play? That tells me that at least 2,3 players don't know where they should be.
And can we not PRACTICE something during the week? You can improve a defense to no end by COACHING people. At least get everybody straight on what they are supposed to do on corner and free kicks. Paralysis by analysis is my impression - he's overthinking it and trying to get too cute with the "strategy."
I think they're congealing, not gelling.
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Post by questionable on Sept 26, 2023 6:58:14 GMT
We’ve actually gone back to the days of NJ with this idiot in charge and 100% will get worse.
His team selections scream that he’s completely devoid of anything positive and opts for safety at all costs by insanely shoehorning in every defensive player we have regardless of opposition.
The players must think “what’s he doing this week”, honestly I’ve got to the stage whereby I hate seeing his stupid face trying to bullshit his way out of his shit management.
Gone this time next week hopefully
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Post by samblano on Sept 26, 2023 7:28:09 GMT
Time to go
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Post by superpotter on Sept 26, 2023 11:59:11 GMT
His bullshit excuses are wearing thin . I will keep going to support but it’s so predictable I sit there knowing what’s going to happen especially if we concede first . The next 5 or 6 games are massive for him and our season .
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Sept 26, 2023 12:16:32 GMT
As so often happens when I hear the team read out pre-match, my heart sinks, knowing that we're in for yet another aimless, shapeless display. The 3-5-2 system we adopted at Huddersfield looked like a dog's dinner, and it only picked up a point due to how bad the opposition were. Sticking with it against a decent Hull side was the first of many poor decisions from Alex Neil today. First of all, Daniel Johnson isn't a wing back. He's versatile, but only in an attacking sense. Could it be that a decision to sell our best (only) left wing-back an hour before the transfer window closed then switch to a system that uses wing-backs is actually the most thick-as-pigshit decision we've seen in recent times? I'm not sure, because the decision to load the squad with wingers, have four of them on the pitch at one time today, but not a single one actually playing as a winger could equal it. Yep, how about a forward pairing of two tricky wingers who both look like they can beat a man and cut in...why don't we pair them up and lump the ball forward to them, while we leave our target man on the bench. How's that for a plan? Or what about this:we'll line up with 3 at the back and very high wing backs. So high up in fact (none of those stupid fans will be able to say we were negative then!) that there are two enormous spaces on either flank. Acres of room...hectares of room...great fucking swathes of African plain levels of room...where wildebeests can roam and Hull wingers can run into space completely unopposed, pulling our Three Stooges backline (or the Three Fannies as I've christened them) all over the place. Fair play to Liam Rosenior because he spotted this after about ten minutes, switching from a 4-4-2 to a 4-3-3 with his wingers high up in these unmanned spaces. A competent manager, however- someone who knows how tactics work rather than, say, a complete and utter fuckwit- would respond by switching to 4 at the back and blocking off these sudden avenues of joy that Hull had discovered. We didn't do that though. We just let them keep doing it as our defence flailed about, our midfielders had no idea whether to drop into spaces, track runners or press the ball. Instead they just stood transfixed, unsure as to what was being asked of them, watching waves of Hull players pour forward into our half unchallenged. It's absolutely pathetic. I feel sorry for the players, because it isn't going to be possible for them to gel unless they've actually got some sort of consistent structure and game plan to play to. Whatever we were trying to do today I have absolutely no idea. They didn't either. It was shambolic, and every single one of them was hung out to dry by an idiot who needs to sort his shit out immediately or fuck off out of this job. That aside did you enjoy the game?🤣
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Post by senojbor on Sept 27, 2023 10:42:15 GMT
Without playing the blame game, you've got to say that recent results have been very disappointing. Some clubs operate on far less budget than us yet they out perform us. I Still think we have brought in better players. Perhaps it will take time.
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