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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 24, 2023 15:29:42 GMT
I want to know the thought process the powers-that-be had when the bid for Tymon was accepted.
At what point did we think Gooch and Tchamadeu were the best way to spend £2m+ in that last 36 hours, with an injury-prone 33yo the only LB on the books?
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Post by coldtuesdaynight on Sept 24, 2023 15:29:56 GMT
TP and Shawcross in by Xmas. Only joking. The sad part is in the unlikely event of AN getting the chop, who would be next on the rank. Wilder? There must be someone in the whole word who can come in and do a reasonable job with Stoke City in the championship. You’d have to think (pray) that we’ve cast our eye out a little at least for potential managers. It just feels insane to keep getting managers from these shores if we can’t afford someone who has a history of regularly doing well at Championship level or above. I mean looking at the managers we’ve appointed since Hughes… would it really have been that insane a risk to appoint someone who’d managed a couple of top half finishes in Portugal for example? If we get another Championship plodder then I’m on the verge of giving up on the club I really am.
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Post by thornestein on Sept 24, 2023 15:31:04 GMT
The bloke is fucking useless, and as bad if not worse appointment than Rowett and O'Neil. Let's be honest he was mediocre at Preston, and Sunderland was more about the team, management team other than him and recruitment as they are still flying without him (see Jones with Luton)! The signs are there, as has been said already, to keep playing a system that doesn't work with players that are not suited is just plain mental...We need to get rid asap! No, can't agree, his c.v says different. Needing a whole new squad does look like a sizeable challenge though that he's just not conquering at the moment. As much as I want to support him I like to be honest aswell and this formation for this team and that formation for that team is proving to be absolute crap and adding to the challenge of settling 18 new players. Stick to the f'ng formation you've had success with in previous jobs Alex, stop trying to be a smart arsed ffs, 4231, 433 all the way. With Haksabanovic & Vidigal fit enough to play now hopefully this will be the case with one on either side and Junho Centre in a 4231 because Wesley needs energy around him he’s a deadman walking , the fans have started turn , no one survives that , his record here is awful , he will be gone before the next international weekend unless he wins every game till then
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Post by butlerstbob on Sept 24, 2023 15:32:51 GMT
The bloke is fucking useless, and as bad if not worse appointment than Rowett and O'Neil. Let's be honest he was mediocre at Preston, and Sunderland was more about the team, management team other than him and recruitment as they are still flying without him (see Jones with Luton)! The signs are there, as has been said already, to keep playing a system that doesn't work with players that are not suited is just plain mental...We need to get rid asap! No, can't agree, his c.v says different. Needing a whole new squad does look like a sizeable challenge though that he's just not conquering at the moment. As much as I want to support him I like to be honest aswell and this formation for this team and that formation for that team is proving to be absolute crap and adding to the challenge of settling 17 new players. Stick to the f'ing formation you've had success with in previous jobs Alex, stop trying to be a smart arse ffs, 4231, 433 all the way. With Haksabanovic & Vidigal fit enough to play now hopefully this will be the case with one on either side and Junho Centre in a 4231 because Wesley needs energy around him How many players did Hull buy this pre season? Did they look a shambles today??
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Post by lordb on Sept 24, 2023 15:32:56 GMT
Could have played any formation you want if 7 or 8 (at least) are going to just stand and watch, no closing down, no tackling, no commitment you are going to lose
Well done to Gooch for competing pretty much the rest should be embarressed
When Thompson is your best midfielder, he did some actual forward passes (still stood off Hull like the others though) you have a problem
I know Burger got a knock but even before that he was far too casual
I thought Laurent was OK at Huddersfield, today he was so anonymous Tony Henry would have blushed
That back 3 just can't play together in a 3, they just can't do it more ball watching from them too
So after a terrible first half I assumed he would rip it up and start again like he did at Millwall - and we were only 1 down there - I know we still lost that game but the changes worked we played we second half in that game. Today he just gave up at HT and took the defeat, nothing else explains the absence of changes
Thats not acceptable
He's lost a portion of the crowd today, me included
Going to take a lot to win people back
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Post by samuel32 on Sept 24, 2023 15:33:28 GMT
Agree with all this. I, like you, have ended up using sarcasm and humour to analyse the game. Rarely have we played so bad or fans been so angry.
I worry that Neil is behind the times as a manager. His approach just isn't cutting it so far
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Post by lordb on Sept 24, 2023 15:33:41 GMT
Playing gooch ahead of Hoever as attacking full back Playing Jordan Thompson Playing two men up front, both wingers. Playing our biggest slowest defender as a wide centre back being pulled out and exposed constantly None of it makes sense. Gooch was our best player, with a steady 7
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Post by vidigal7 on Sept 24, 2023 15:33:55 GMT
No, can't agree, his c.v says different. Needing a whole new squad does look like a sizeable challenge though that he's just not conquering at the moment. As much as I want to support him I like to be honest aswell and this formation for this team and that formation for that team is proving to be absolute crap and adding to the challenge of settling 18 new players. Stick to the f'ng formation you've had success with in previous jobs Alex, stop trying to be a smart arsed ffs, 4231, 433 all the way. With Haksabanovic & Vidigal fit enough to play now hopefully this will be the case with one on either side and Junho Centre in a 4231 because Wesley needs energy around him he’s a deadman walking , the fans have started turn , no one survives that , his record here is awful , he will be gone before the next international weekend unless he wins every game till then I was there too I wouldn't say it was toxic, you're bound to be a bit pissed conceding two quick goals. He needs to get points though or people will get restless
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Post by Clayton Wood on Sept 24, 2023 15:34:20 GMT
The upcoming nightmare fixture list might be his saviour (for a while). The bar is so low now and expectations with it that when we do as expected it'll just be Meh
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Post by lordb on Sept 24, 2023 15:34:33 GMT
Playing gooch ahead of Hoever as attacking full back Playing Jordan Thompson Playing two men up front, both wingers. Playing our biggest slowest defender as a wide centre back being pulled out and exposed constantly None of it makes sense. Gooch was our best player, with a steady 7 Completely agree re McNally If playing him in a 3 he has to be in the middle
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Post by vidigal7 on Sept 24, 2023 15:34:34 GMT
No, can't agree, his c.v says different. Needing a whole new squad does look like a sizeable challenge though that he's just not conquering at the moment. As much as I want to support him I like to be honest aswell and this formation for this team and that formation for that team is proving to be absolute crap and adding to the challenge of settling 17 new players. Stick to the f'ing formation you've had success with in previous jobs Alex, stop trying to be a smart arse ffs, 4231, 433 all the way. With Haksabanovic & Vidigal fit enough to play now hopefully this will be the case with one on either side and Junho Centre in a 4231 because Wesley needs energy around him How many players did Hull buy this pre season? Did they look a shambles today?? I don't know the answer to that, I'm interested to know though
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Post by vidigal7 on Sept 24, 2023 15:35:33 GMT
Gooch was our best player, with a steady 7 Completely agree re McNally If playing him in a 3 he has to be in the middle He looks like a boy out there where we need a man. I thought we'd made a decent decision signing him following his success at Coventry but I'm not yet convinced of him here
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 24, 2023 15:38:33 GMT
The upcoming nightmare fixture list might be his saviour (for a while). The bar is so low now and expectations with it that when we do as expected it'll just be Meh Not sure about that, CW. We're going to need 8 points from: Soton H Leics A Sunderland H Leeds H Boro A Cardiff H Cov A ...just to be on 15 points from 15 games. At that point, the house could be on fire.
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Post by butlerstbob on Sept 24, 2023 15:38:48 GMT
How many players did Hull buy this pre season? Did they look a shambles today?? I don't know the answer to that, I'm interested to know though Roughly 17 out and 10 in, and still managed to make us look like a pub team!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2023 15:39:16 GMT
Alex Neil games managed (career) - 459 Liam Rosenior games managed - 49 Which manager has got his side tactically solid; hard to break down; defensively strong; well organised; and looking like they know what they're supposed to be doing? Experience counts for nothing, it would seem. Hull were well drilled and organised. It makes you wonder why a relatively inexperienced manager (Rosenior) can get them looking half decent, yet AN seems to be making us worse. They had a clear system and style of play with obvious passing patterns and pressing triggers. They were not perfect, but you could see what they were trying to do. We spent the full ninety minutes flailing around aimlessly. He genuinely seems so concerned and focused on the opposition and countering them that he seems to fail in giving his own team the confidence to impose themselves and express how we want to play. The pace of our game in the first 30 mins was… well, I’ll put it politely and call it ‘pedestrian’. At what point does the penny drop that we should be making the opposition worry about how we play? And that he should now have the squad to change things in-game if it’s not going to plan? I was genuinely optimistic even after the Millwall game. Yes, frustrated at how we started, but that he went to his bench, changed how we did things and looked much better for it. I genuinely felt like we understood what was needed and we would come good. Compare it to the absolute hash he made of the subs today and stuck with the formation that clearly wasn’t working, and he’s burst whatever bubble I had. Again, the best case scenario is for him to find his spine, pick an XI where everyone is in their rightful position and they know their jobs, and take it to the opposition. If he can’t do that, he’ll need to fuck off, sharpish. I reckon he’ll have until the Sunderland game to save his job. Results need a quick turnaround.
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Post by sportsman on Sept 24, 2023 15:39:28 GMT
Whoever the manager is, whatever injuries the squad has, it should be written in any managers contract that 5 at the back is not allowed. I'd prefer play 4 and lose 6 than watch 5 at the back.
If you've got a defence like the old AC Milan or any quality of defenders then I could barely accept it, but when you're playing a 5 at the back because you don't trust any one of your defenders, which I certainly don't, then just don't do it.
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Post by Scrotnig on Sept 24, 2023 15:40:09 GMT
I’ve been a supporter of what the manager has been trying to do, and felt the window seemed almost exciting, but it’s not panning out that way and I now have serious doubts about what the plan actually is. Whatever it is, it’s patently not working and our record is appalling.
I don’t know what we do now. Stick or twist?
Those saying Pulis…I was his biggest fan but his time has passed and he’s retired anyway. He’s not the man for this club.
How have we as a club turned such a positive situation into the usual shitshow?
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Post by vidigal7 on Sept 24, 2023 15:40:25 GMT
I don't know the answer to that, I'm interested to know though 17 out and 10 in, and still managed to make us look like a pub team! Fair point. 17 new players is a genuine upheaval but you can't hide behind it all season you've got to start showing the fruits of it
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Post by jontimmis on Sept 24, 2023 15:40:53 GMT
How many players did Hull buy this pre season? Did they look a shambles today?? I don't know the answer to that, I'm interested to know though It’s fair point and Rosenior is only just starting his management career, been coaching a while and well thought of. He’s searching and I always think that’s a concern, does he know his best team when all fit? Why did we sign Leris? I’m starting to scratch my head on a number of decisions and how he wants to play. He sounds more like Nathan Jones by the minute and we all know how that ended.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 24, 2023 15:41:12 GMT
Alex Neil games managed (career) - 459 Liam Rosenior games managed - 49 Which manager has got his side tactically solid; hard to break down; defensively strong; well organised; and looking like they know what they're supposed to be doing? Experience counts for nothing, it would seem. Hull were well drilled and organised. It makes you wonder why a relatively inexperienced manager (Rosenior) can get them looking half decent, yet AN seems to be making us worse. They had a clear system and style of play with obvious passing patterns and pressing triggers. They were not perfect, but you could see what they were trying to do. We spent the full ninety minutes flailing around aimlessly. Lots of new players as well. They must sell far better gel in Hull and works a lot quicker
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 24, 2023 15:41:42 GMT
TP and Shawcross in by Xmas. Only joking. The sad part is in the unlikely event of AN getting the chop, who would be next on the rank. Wilder? There must be someone in the whole word who can come in and do a reasonable job with Stoke City in the championship. You’d have to think (pray) that we’ve cast our eye out a little at least for potential managers. It just feels insane to keep getting managers from these shores if we can’t afford someone who has a history of regularly doing well at Championship level or above. I mean looking at the managers we’ve appointed since Hughes… would it really have been that insane a risk to appoint someone who’d managed a couple of top half finishes in Portugal for example? If we get another Championship plodder then I’m on the verge of giving up on the club I really am. There plenty if we stop looking in the same box
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Post by biddulphchav on Sept 24, 2023 15:42:09 GMT
As so often happens when I hear the team read out pre-match, my heart sinks, knowing that we're in for yet another aimless, shapeless display. The 3-5-2 system we adopted at Huddersfield looked like a dog's dinner, and it only picked up a point due to how bad the opposition were. Sticking with it against a decent Hull side was the first of many poor decisions from Alex Neil today. First of all, Daniel Johnson isn't a wing back. He's versatile, but only in an attacking sense. Could it be that a decision to sell our best (only) left wing-back an hour before the transfer window closed then switch to a system that uses wing-backs is actually the most thick-as-pigshit decision we've seen in recent times? I'm not sure, because the decision to load the squad with wingers, have four of them on the pitch at one time today, but not a single one actually playing as a winger could equal it. Yep, how about a forward pairing of two tricky wingers who both look like they can beat a man and cut in...why don't we pair them up and lump the ball forward to them, while we leave our target man on the bench. How's that for a plan? Or what about this:we'll line up with 3 at the back and very high wing backs. So high up in fact (none of those stupid fans will be able to say we were negative then!) that there are two enormous spaces on either flank. Acres of room...hectares of room...great fucking swathes of African plain levels of room...where wildebeests can roam and Hull wingers can run into space completely unopposed, pulling our Three Stooges backline (or the Three Fannies as I've christened them) all over the place. Fair play to Liam Rosenior because he spotted this after about ten minutes, switching from a 4-4-2 to a 4-3-3 with his wingers high up in these unmanned spaces. A competent manager, however- someone who knows how tactics work rather than, say, a complete and utter fuckwit- would respond by switching to 4 at the back and blocking off these sudden avenues of joy that Hull had discovered. We didn't do that though. We just let them keep doing it as our defence flailed about, our midfielders had no idea whether to drop into spaces, track runners or press the ball. Instead they just stood transfixed, unsure as to what was being asked of them, watching waves of Hull players pour forward into our half unchallenged. It's absolutely pathetic. I feel sorry for the players, because it isn't going to be possible for them to gel unless they've actually got some sort of consistent structure and game plan to play to. Whatever we were trying to do today I have absolutely no idea. They didn't either. It was shambolic, and every single one of them was hung out to dry by an idiot who needs to sort his shit out immediately or fuck off out of this job. Great post, you’ve summed it up absolutely perfectly
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Post by samuel32 on Sept 24, 2023 15:42:25 GMT
I want to know the thought process the powers-that-be had when the bid for Tymon was accepted. At what point did we think Gooch and Tchamadeu were the best way to spend £2m+ in that last 36 hours, with an injury-prone 33yo the only LB on the books? Neil: We've got players who can play there but the issue we’ve got is because we didn’t get that left-sided centre-back, we’re right footed there and right-footed (at left-back), which is not ideal. You made it 'not ideal' Neil. You. Are you fucking stupid?
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Post by sportsman on Sept 24, 2023 15:43:13 GMT
Playing gooch ahead of Hoever as attacking full back Playing Jordan Thompson Playing two men up front, both wingers. Playing our biggest slowest defender as a wide centre back being pulled out and exposed constantly None of it makes sense. Gooch was our best player, with a steady 7 I can't remember one single attempt at a cross all game. I remember watching second half when he plenty of chances to cross it and he kept trying take his man on and run it into the boothen. Plenty of effort though and certainly not the worst of the bunch
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Post by satoshi on Sept 24, 2023 15:43:27 GMT
Tap Brian Potter up asap
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Post by northernstokie on Sept 24, 2023 15:43:35 GMT
I want to know the thought process the powers-that-be had when the bid for Tymon was accepted. At what point did we think Gooch and Tchamadeu were the best way to spend £2m+ in that last 36 hours, with an injury-prone 33yo the only LB on the books? It might help if he actually plays junior instead of putting people out of position in his place
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Post by Clayton Wood on Sept 24, 2023 15:44:02 GMT
The upcoming nightmare fixture list might be his saviour (for a while). The bar is so low now and expectations with it that when we do as expected it'll just be Meh Not sure about that, CW. We're going to need 8 points from: Soton H Leics A Sunderland H Leeds H Boro A Cardiff H Cov A ...just to be on 15 points from 15 games. At that point, the house could be on fire. Wonder how he will treat the cup game? Write it off with the B team (yeah I know!) and concentrate on the league or continue to try to find his best starting 11/set up?
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Post by maninasuitcase on Sept 24, 2023 15:45:12 GMT
The next three games will see if he still has the backing of the dressing room? He lost the fans a long time ago.
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Post by coldtuesdaynight on Sept 24, 2023 15:45:27 GMT
I want to know the thought process the powers-that-be had when the bid for Tymon was accepted. At what point did we think Gooch and Tchamadeu were the best way to spend £2m+ in that last 36 hours, with an injury-prone 33yo the only LB on the books? I do wonder if Neill encouraged this one. I wanted to think he was a competent enough manager that his reluctance to play Tymon last season was due to not rushing him back post injury. But based on August it’s pretty clear he didn’t rate him. It’s sackable enough on its own for me to be honest. We only entered the summer with 3 or 4 players that would be envied by other clubs in the division, and we’ve lost one of them without any kind of replacement. At least Pulis had his favourites, this is like Ten Hag at Man Utd where he seems to prefer nobody to one of his players.
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Post by Block 26 on Sept 24, 2023 15:47:48 GMT
As so often happens when I hear the team read out pre-match, my heart sinks, knowing that we're in for yet another aimless, shapeless display. The 3-5-2 system we adopted at Huddersfield looked like a dog's dinner, and it only picked up a point due to how bad the opposition were. Sticking with it against a decent Hull side was the first of many poor decisions from Alex Neil today. First of all, Daniel Johnson isn't a wing back. He's versatile, but only in an attacking sense. Could it be that a decision to sell our best (only) left wing-back an hour before the transfer window closed then switch to a system that uses wing-backs is actually the most thick-as-pigshit decision we've seen in recent times? I'm not sure, because the decision to load the squad with wingers, have four of them on the pitch at one time today, but not a single one actually playing as a winger could equal it. Yep, how about a forward pairing of two tricky wingers who both look like they can beat a man and cut in...why don't we pair them up and lump the ball forward to them, while we leave our target man on the bench. How's that for a plan? Or what about this:we'll line up with 3 at the back and very high wing backs. So high up in fact (none of those stupid fans will be able to say we were negative then!) that there are two enormous spaces on either flank. Acres of room...hectares of room...great fucking swathes of African plain levels of room...where wildebeests can roam and Hull wingers can run into space completely unopposed, pulling our Three Stooges backline (or the Three Fannies as I've christened them) all over the place. Fair play to Liam Rosenior because he spotted this after about ten minutes, switching from a 4-4-2 to a 4-3-3 with his wingers high up in these unmanned spaces. A competent manager, however- someone who knows how tactics work rather than, say, a complete and utter fuckwit- would respond by switching to 4 at the back and blocking off these sudden avenues of joy that Hull had discovered. We didn't do that though. We just let them keep doing it as our defence flailed about, our midfielders had no idea whether to drop into spaces, track runners or press the ball. Instead they just stood transfixed, unsure as to what was being asked of them, watching waves of Hull players pour forward into our half unchallenged. It's absolutely pathetic. I feel sorry for the players, because it isn't going to be possible for them to gel unless they've actually got some sort of consistent structure and game plan to play to. Whatever we were trying to do today I have absolutely no idea. They didn't either. It was shambolic, and every single one of them was hung out to dry by an idiot who needs to sort his shit out immediately or fuck off out of this job. Nail on the head mate.
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