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Post by Clayton Wood on Sept 9, 2023 19:02:43 GMT
Fair result England well below par It was really hot and the play far too slow thought our average players, Guehi, Henderson, Maguire did fine whereas our exciting talent, Bellingham, Saka were well off it Shocked how bad Bellingham was but there you go On the upside there were thousands of beautiful women at the game Cheers
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2023 19:04:24 GMT
To not start Foden is laughable.
If I was manager of England I'd build the team around him, but unfortunately, we have Southgate who has the attacking mindset of a door knob.
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Post by thisisouryear on Sept 9, 2023 19:06:41 GMT
To not start Foden is laughable. If I was manager of England I'd build the team around him, but unfortunately, we have Southgate who has the attacking mindset of a door knob. Any decent manager would find a way of playing Foden and Bellingham together in the same team
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2023 19:10:01 GMT
To not start Foden is laughable. If I was manager of England I'd build the team around him, but unfortunately, we have Southgate who has the attacking mindset of a door knob. Any decent manager would find a way of playing Foden and Bellingham together in the same team They would, but England don't.
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Post by sportsman on Sept 9, 2023 19:17:56 GMT
It's always strange to me when managers like Southgate revert to type and their default position is not get beat first. If he played a more attacking and adventurous style the media and fans couldn't call for him to.go because it would be the side they'd pick themselves. He's done well in the main, I just don't get, when this will be his last tournament, that he doesn't give the fans and media what they are all crying out for.
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Post by neckender78 on Sept 9, 2023 19:19:49 GMT
Really poor performance and again management. I can't think of another decent manager who would insist on playing 2 defensive midfielders against a limited team who everyone knows are going to sit in. Management was piss poor but also a lot of below par performances, Kane was creating for others but didn't have a single decent ball into him the whole game.
We will have by far and away the best squad of players at next year's Euros and no excuses for not winning it.
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Post by Bera’s Beano on Sept 9, 2023 19:25:21 GMT
Bollocks, the quality of football of old was shite too, so it is irrelevant. Pretty simply, the surfaces these players are used to playing on will be quality, the change will of course mess with their game. It is the same for both sides but Ukraine aren’t here to play much football so it’s better for them, it’s not an excuse, it’s just the game plans of the teams. England's game plan was let down because Southgate came up with it, not because of the pitch. As you'll see from other posts in this thread, I agree Southgate got it completely wrong, and is ruining this teams chances. However, I was directly responding to someone mentioning the players touch and passing in the game, which the pitch did have an effect upon.
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Post by redsaturday on Sept 9, 2023 19:49:17 GMT
On the train to Poznan, fucking disgrace playing Bellingham out wide and the mercenary Henderson playing 90 mins in centre midfield
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Post by lordb on Sept 9, 2023 19:52:14 GMT
On the train to Poznan, fucking disgrace playing Bellingham out wide and the mercenary Henderson playing 90 mins in centre midfield Absolutely would not have started Henderson but he was superior to Bellingham who had a shocker
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Post by ian57 on Sept 9, 2023 20:02:37 GMT
The bloke is a choker,World Cup semi final and euro final. He has no minerals as my uncle used to say.
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Post by plank on Sept 9, 2023 20:20:47 GMT
On the train to Poznan, fucking disgrace playing Bellingham out wide and the mercenary Henderson playing 90 mins in centre midfield 100% agree. This team should've picked itself after 5 mins of thought. Tomori should've started over Maguire - compared 241 mins of game time this season conceding 2 goals to Maguire's 23 minutes and conceding 2 goals... Grandpa Henderson should be a cheerleader in this squad these day, not a starter - could've easily played Maddison centrally in his best position in front of a more central Bellingham and Rice, and then had Foden OR Rashford on the left wing instead. Would've put a lot more pressure on the Ukranian CBs - one of which has been part of a Bournemouth defense that's shipped 8 goals in 4 games so far this season.
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Post by lordb on Sept 9, 2023 20:28:16 GMT
On the train to Poznan, fucking disgrace playing Bellingham out wide and the mercenary Henderson playing 90 mins in centre midfield 100% agree. This team should've picked itself after 5 mins of thought. Tomori should've started over Maguire - compared 241 mins of game time this season conceding 2 goals to Maguire's 23 minutes and conceding 2 goals... Grandpa Henderson should be a cheerleader in this squad these day, not a starter - could've easily played Maddison centrally in his best position in front of a more central Bellingham and Rice, and then had Foden OR Rashford on the left wing instead. Would've put a lot more pressure on the Ukranian CBs - one of which has been part of a Bournemouth defense that's shipped 8 goals in 4 games so far this season. Said before the game would have picked Rashford but he was poor too when he came on
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Post by mrnovember on Sept 9, 2023 21:13:24 GMT
Sterling could have made a difference tonight. Madness that players like Rashford and Maddison are preferred in that wide left forward role.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Sept 9, 2023 21:15:05 GMT
Sterling could have made a difference tonight. Madness that players like Rashford and Maddison are preferred in that wide left forward role. How times have changed, I remember when people were slagging off Sterling left, right and centre when he was in the team. It's always the players that aren't playing that would seemingly make the difference isn't it?
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Post by GeneralFaye on Sept 9, 2023 21:23:23 GMT
Italy not being able to win in North Macedonia has made our result slightly more palatable I guess.
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Post by matelot1996 on Sept 9, 2023 21:28:06 GMT
Southgate has been blessed during his tenure with more talented England players than any before him. For me, a better Manager would have won us a Major Ttophy by now.
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Post by mrnovember on Sept 9, 2023 21:50:03 GMT
Sterling could have made a difference tonight. Madness that players like Rashford and Maddison are preferred in that wide left forward role. How times have changed, I remember when people were slagging off Sterling left, right and centre when he was in the team. It's always the players that aren't playing that would seemingly make the difference isn't it? I've never unfairly criticised Sterling? It's not a criticism of Rash or Madds either. Just that Sterling is a proven international goal scorer who has a nack for unlocking games.
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Post by a on Sept 9, 2023 22:32:43 GMT
No police here no stewards All very relaxed England fans mingling with Ukraine fans Glad to hear it. Hope it stayed that way
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Post by GrahamHyde on Sept 9, 2023 22:56:03 GMT
How times have changed, I remember when people were slagging off Sterling left, right and centre when he was in the team. It's always the players that aren't playing that would seemingly make the difference isn't it? I've never unfairly criticised Sterling? It's not a criticism of Rash or Madds either. Just that Sterling is a proven international goal scorer who has a nack for unlocking games. Not you, but there was plenty that did. I agree with you, I'm surprised he didn't recall Sterling into the set-up. He's still one of our best attacking players and fantastic off the ball.
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Post by a on Sept 9, 2023 23:14:58 GMT
The passing has been atrocious tonight. Everyone taking two or three touches and then over hitting, under hitting or passing the ball behind a run. First touch from some players has been appalling as well. We look cumbersome and lethargic. It has been poor but I believe the condition of the surface is atrocious. It’s got more patch marks than the pitches at dimensions, the amount of bobbles causing poor first touches is shocking. We have looked slow but I think the set up is completely wrong for a team looking to sit in. Very Stokelike actually. Nearly 700 passes at 92% completions is hardly poor. Toothless yes, poor no
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 9, 2023 23:15:13 GMT
We didn't play that bad. Bloody marvellous ball by Hazzer for Walko to equalise. We need to shoot a bit more from distance.
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Post by Block 26 on Sept 10, 2023 5:45:31 GMT
Said it after the euro final that we will win nothing under Southgate. Letting him continue with the current group of players at his disposal is a waste in my eyes.
It’s another golden era in which a decent manager could/should be winning trophy’s with this England team.
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Post by nott1 on Sept 10, 2023 6:34:40 GMT
Said it after the euro final that we will win nothing under Southgate. Letting him continue with the current group of players at his disposal is a waste in my eyes. It’s another golden era in which a decent manager could/should be winning trophy’s with this England team. People keep insisting this group of players are wonderful....they are not. The evidence is out there on the pitch time after time. They don't have the intelligence to make things happen themselves and play this bland sideways/backwards keep possession tripe. Where is the inovation and exciting uplift? People blame the manager but he is not playing. Don't the players have minds of their own? NO they do not!
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Post by emretezzy on Sept 10, 2023 7:20:32 GMT
On the train to Poznan, fucking disgrace playing Bellingham out wide and the mercenary Henderson playing 90 mins in centre midfield Absolutely would not have started Henderson but he was superior to Bellingham who had a shocker Southgate ruined both Maddison and Bellingham last night by asking them to inter-change on the left hand-side trying to be clever but he stifiled both players completley. Grealish/Foden/Rashford/Sterling should be out on the left and give us full width. Bellingham either as a proper 8 or completely free role in a central 10. It's the one position where you can play Bellingham as an 8 and automatically get Foden in as a 10 but how well Bellingham is playing for Real in the free role. I don't mind him playing there but the drop off in the player coming in as an 8 can not be Henderson. Missed Stones massively playing out and I think Colwill looks much better on the ball than Guehi who defensively looked solid. Maguire played well. We've got Bellingham, Kane, Saka, Walker, Stones, Rice, Foden, Grealish and Rashford who get in any international team.
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Post by sportsman on Sept 10, 2023 7:21:01 GMT
100% agree. This team should've picked itself after 5 mins of thought. Tomori should've started over Maguire - compared 241 mins of game time this season conceding 2 goals to Maguire's 23 minutes and conceding 2 goals... Grandpa Henderson should be a cheerleader in this squad these day, not a starter - could've easily played Maddison centrally in his best position in front of a more central Bellingham and Rice, and then had Foden OR Rashford on the left wing instead. Would've put a lot more pressure on the Ukranian CBs - one of which has been part of a Bournemouth defense that's shipped 8 goals in 4 games so far this season. Said before the game would have picked Rashford but he was poor too when he came on Rashford is as much a form player as I've ever seen play the game. When he's good for about 2 months out of 12 he's good. The rest he's usually useless and scared to take his man on. I'd only even have him anywhere near the starting 11 if he's on fire for man UTD.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 10, 2023 7:40:59 GMT
It looked to me as if we didn't want to beat Ukraine and were happy with the draw for whatever reason.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2023 7:51:04 GMT
Scotland are playing well, so we will need to up our game. They'll be fired up. As they always are against us. Friendly or not. No such thing as a friendly when we play the Scots.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 10, 2023 8:08:55 GMT
By the way, is it just me who has to repress the urge to call them "The Ukraine"? They were The Ukraine until independence,actually a longer title but can't remember exactly Are only Two countries I think with The in the title today, one is The Gambia, don't know the other without a Google. I don't think The Netherlands is the correct term either which some use. Was on Eggheads once, one of the Eggs mentioned it as a side bit of info after an answer . Had a quick Google The Bahamas
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Post by lordb on Sept 10, 2023 8:11:39 GMT
Sterling could have made a difference tonight. Madness that players like Rashford and Maddison are preferred in that wide left forward role. I think thats Rashfords best position, he's much better wide Would expect Sterling in the squad for the Euros
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Post by lordb on Sept 10, 2023 8:14:18 GMT
Absolutely would not have started Henderson but he was superior to Bellingham who had a shocker Southgate ruined both Maddison and Bellingham last night by asking them to inter-change on the left hand-side trying to be clever but he stifiled both players completley. Grealish/Foden/Rashford/Sterling should be out on the left and give us full width. Bellingham either as a proper 8 or completely free role in a central 10. It's the one position where you can play Bellingham as an 8 and automatically get Foden in as a 10 but how well Bellingham is playing for Real in the free role. I don't mind him playing there but the drop off in the player coming in as an 8 can not be Henderson. Missed Stones massively playing out and I think Colwill looks much better on the ball than Guehi who defensively looked solid. Maguire played well. We've got Bellingham, Kane, Saka, Walker, Stones, Rice, Foden, Grealish and Rashford who get in any international team. Bellingham stifled himself by playing really poorly, fell over his own feet, gave the ball away I was genuinely flabbergasted how bad he was would still start him v Scotland though, class permanent
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