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Post by GrahamHyde on Sept 8, 2023 13:26:18 GMT
How would you rate the last five Stoke City managers out of 10?
Lambert 3/10 - ultimately went down with a whimper but in hindsight probably would have been better off keeping him than ending up with...
Rowett 2/10 - spent loads, delivered very little. Just about recovered from that. Could well have led to another relegation given the shit that he signed.
Jones 1/10 - I mean, just awful. Surprised he lasted so long.
O'Neil 6/10 - stabilised us from the horror show we were under Jones, and no doubt improved us, but just couldn't push us on any further. Solid if not spectacular.
Neil 6/10 (so far) - played some of the best football we've seen since we got relegated but oddly ended up in the worst position. Green shoots emerging this season but remains to be seen if it's all hot air.
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Post by cvillestokie on Sept 8, 2023 13:47:55 GMT
How would you rate the last five Stoke City managers out of 10? Lambert 3/10 - ultimately went down with a whimper but in hindsight probably would have been better off keeping him than ending up with... Rowett 2/10 - spent loads, delivered very little. Just about recovered from that. Could well have led to another relegation given the shit that he signed. Jones 1/10 - I mean, just awful. Surprised he lasted so long. O'Neil 6/10 - stabilised us from the horror show we were under Jones, and no doubt improved us, but just couldn't push us on any further. Solid if not spectacular. Neil 6/10 (so far) - played some of the best football we've seen since we got relegated but oddly ended up in the worst position. Green shoots emerging this season but remains to be seen if it's all hot air. Mine are similar. In chronological order: 3,2,2,5,4. |
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Post by baconburger on Sept 8, 2023 13:55:36 GMT
How would you rate the last five Stoke City managers out of 10? Lambert 3/10 - ultimately went down with a whimper but in hindsight probably would have been better off keeping him than ending up with... Rowett 2/10 - spent loads, delivered very little. Just about recovered from that. Could well have led to another relegation given the shit that he signed. Jones 1/10 - I mean, just awful. Surprised he lasted so long. O'Neil 6/10 - stabilised us from the horror show we were under Jones, and no doubt improved us, but just couldn't push us on any further. Solid if not spectacular. Neil 6/10 (so far) - played some of the best football we've seen since we got relegated but oddly ended up in the worst position. Green shoots emerging this season but remains to be seen if it's all hot air. Lambert: 1 took a team that didn’t score enough goals and made them score less. Rowett: 3 Was given everything he asked for even when it wasn’t sensible and produced the most boring football. Jones: 2 Promised us athletic young boys then signed xyz. MON: First season 8/9 Goals, entertainment, points what was there not to like? Following 2 seasons 4 Dour, boring, slow, seemed to revel in the fact we never won by much or lost by much. AN: 5 Some great wins but without any tangible progress in overall results or climbing the league. When we’ve been good we’ve been really good so we have to see if he can make that happen more regularly. |
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Post by lordb on Sept 8, 2023 13:56:36 GMT
Too early to say re AN
PL 5,
GR 4
NJ 1
MoN 6.5
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Post by baconburger on Sept 8, 2023 14:01:00 GMT
Too early to say re AN PL 5, GR 4 NJ 1 MoN 6.5 It’s not really too early because once they’ve been here any length of time it’s impossible to rate them overall. Mark Hughes 88641. It’s like they aren’t even the same person. |
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Post by PotteringThrough on Sept 8, 2023 14:01:44 GMT
I think we were in real trouble when MON took over and he did some fantastic work. Definitely hamstrung by FFP and big signings before his time but the little money he did have was used to sign the same type of players.
He won’t go down as one of the greats but he’s definitely an important, positive footnote in our history.
The 3 before him were all shit.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Sept 8, 2023 14:04:58 GMT
Lambert 5.5/10 - harshly judged by on most here. Took a team that shipped goals for fun and tightened us up, which at least gave us a chance of staying up, which was very unlikely to happen under Hughes.
Rowett 4/10 - we probably would've finished a few places higher if he'd stayed but we wasted a ridiculous amount of money under his watch, and his comments about Bojan and the supporters put the nail in his coffin.
Jones 2/10 - unlucky with injuries and individual howlers, key signings didn't happen, but didn't cope with the pressure.
O'Neill 6.5/10 - brilliant to avoid relegation and good overall work with the ridiculous squad and financial issues inherited. Won 5-1 before Covid interrupted the season and injuries to key players every time we looked like we were getting somewhere, but the league finishes still weren't good enough.
Neil 6/10 - should've done better last season. I think we will this season and at least be challenging for the playoffs (assuming our best players don't all get injured again).
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 8, 2023 14:05:41 GMT
Lambert 4
Rowett 3
Jones 1
MON 6
AN 5
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Post by mrrine on Sept 8, 2023 14:21:22 GMT
Lambert 3/10 - Not his fault he was appointed, I'd wager he wouldn't have been any fan's top pick, but he was totally unable to deliver where the likes Hodgson / Warnock / Bruce probably could've.
Rowett 2/10 - Arrogant smarmy cunt, who in the end wasn't good enough to deliver on his promises. The writing was on the wall that first Leeds presser (Absolutely embarrassing) He's fine with an average existing champ team and will do OK. But he spent a small fortune on players that were not suited to the championship for wages over 10x their real-terms value causing deep deep damage to the club (of which we're still not recovered....). Should never ever have been appointed or given that level of freedom and some of that is the board's fault.
Jones 0/10 - Not his fault he got appointed. A job far far too big, he knew it, we knew it, everyone knew it but you/they all bought into the vision. Beyond me why... Thoroughly dislikable human being.
O'Neil 4.5/10 - glimpses of getting the team to play, they just always happened to be when we played teams that wanted a game of football and didn't insist on physically bullying us. Credit for the stabilisation yep, I wonder if it would've happened anyway under a different manager as part of the process? - but ultimately a poor manager overall for us.
Neil 4.5/10 - Another one very lucky to be given this level of trust and autonomy. We're stuck with him and he's still got a bit of time to gel everything together.
It concerns me that he'll say he's prepared for X team on the Thursday and turn up on the Saturday, get spanked and after the match/substitutions admit that 'he got it wrong'.
And so, was he actually ready? Was he wrong, did the players not show up, or is he fucking deluded. either way - I need convincing...
Hopefully, we've thrown enough money at the wall that some of it will work out in spite of him, because I haven't seen any tactical nous from him so far.
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 8, 2023 14:39:21 GMT
Lambert and Jones zero
Rowett 2
MON 5.5 overall, that's mostly for the first year
AN meh, 4-5 so far but I'm hopeful of improvement
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Post by Absolution on Sept 8, 2023 15:30:55 GMT
Lambert - Much as I loved most of Hughes' time at Stoke, he left a totally demotivated, ill-disciplined, dishevelled and unfit team. Lambert was fighting fires everywhere. Charlie's penalty goes in, and for me, we stay up. It didn't, and there was just too much to do. 4/10
Rowett - Should have given him a million, kept expectations low and allowed him to build a team that suited his dour, somewhat snidey personality. Instead, we gave him squillions to squander on players that just didn't suit what suited him. 3/10
Jones - The guy's a conundrum. Was he in charge of recruitment? Promised us a diamond formation full of athletic, hungry, young athletes. Gave us a dungheap formation full of Sam Vokes types that were hungry only for pies. All very odd. 2/10
O'Neill - I have a lot of time for, and goodwill towards our Michael. He inherited a mess of players that for far too long had failed to look remotely like a football team. Anyone who attended the Meet the Manager night with him, Scholes and Coates jnr couldn't have failed to feel just a tad sorry for the adult in the room and what he had to work with. Looked the real deal for a while, but then seemed to lose his nerve and place too much faith in the one player we had who was causing the opposition damage (Tymon). Once Tymon lost his superpowers, it was downhill all the way. He left the club in a much better state than he found it. 5/10
Neil - I like him, but I'm basically going to jib out of giving him a mark out of 10. He's been here a year, but for me the jury's still out because of the complete overhaul of the squad that he's overseen. Top 8 and some stonking good home wins and I'll be happy enough. Next season is probably promotion or the exit door.
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Post by thornestein on Sept 8, 2023 15:40:57 GMT
Lambert 4 Rowett 3 Jones 1 MON 6 AN 5 that’s surprising, you disliked MoN but seem to like Neil but you rated MoN higher ? |
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Post by silsdenstokie on Sept 8, 2023 15:44:57 GMT
Lambert 4
Rowett 3
Jones 2
Oneill 6 (based on his first 18 months)
Neil 5 so far
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Post by Clayton Wood on Sept 8, 2023 15:46:08 GMT
Lambert 3
Rowett 2
Jones 0
Delap 0
MON 6
Holden 10
Neil 4
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Post by tigermoth on Sept 8, 2023 15:52:26 GMT
Lambert (5/10) - Managed to improve a team that was leaking goals, providing us with a chance of avoiding relegation.
Rowett (4/10) - His management oversaw a wasteful expenditure of money, and his negative comments ultimately led to his downfall.
Jones (2/10) - Unfortunate with injuries and individual errors, failed to cope with the pressure and key signings did not materialise.
O'Neill (6/10) - Avoided relegation and effectively handling the challenging squad and financial issues inherited.
Neil (6/10) - Toss performance last season, but there is hope for improvement this season. Anticipating a stronger showing and potentially challenging for the playoffs, we will see. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 8, 2023 16:01:39 GMT
Lambert 4 Rowett 3 Jones 1 MON 6 AN 5 that’s surprising, you disliked MoN but seem to like Neil but you rated MoN higher ? It's because I try to look at things objectively, which blows people's minds on here. I think MON did an ok job overall. Started well. Got increasingly muddled and lost the plot entirely by the end (as even the best managers do in the end). Probably should've done better than he did overall but did some great work lowering the wage bill and consolidating. Not great in the transfer market and never quite seemed sure what team he wanted to build. I think Neil will go on to be considered a better Stoke manager but he really hasn't shown it yet. I think he knows what he's doing and is recruiting with a plan in mind, and we'll improve under him. We've seen some tantalising glimpses of how it's supposed to work. though how much exactly I'm not sure. But to fail as miserably as he did to get a tune out of the squad last season, and some of his team selections this season, are real head-scratchers and he's underperformed overall. |
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Post by silsdenstokie on Sept 8, 2023 16:04:46 GMT
that’s surprising, you disliked MoN but seem to like Neil but you rated MoN higher ? It's because I try to look at things objectively, which blows people's minds on here. I think MON did an ok job overall. Started well. Got increasingly muddled and lost the plot entirely by the end (as even the best managers do in the end). Probably should've done better than he did overall but did some great work lowering the wage bill and consolidating. Not great in the transfer market and never quite seemed sure what team he wanted to build. I think Neil will go on to be considered a better Stoke manager but he really hasn't shown it yet. I think he knows what he's doing and is recruiting with a plan in mind, and we'll improve under him. We've seen some tantalising glimpses of how it's supposed to work. though how much exactly I'm not sure. But to fail as miserably as he did to get a tune out of the squad last season, and some of his team selections this season, are real head-scratchers and he's underperformed overall. MON similar to Hughes in a way in that their management periods coukd be split into 2 halves Cant let the bad endings overcloud the good early work |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 8, 2023 16:07:58 GMT
It's because I try to look at things objectively, which blows people's minds on here. I think MON did an ok job overall. Started well. Got increasingly muddled and lost the plot entirely by the end (as even the best managers do in the end). Probably should've done better than he did overall but did some great work lowering the wage bill and consolidating. Not great in the transfer market and never quite seemed sure what team he wanted to build. I think Neil will go on to be considered a better Stoke manager but he really hasn't shown it yet. I think he knows what he's doing and is recruiting with a plan in mind, and we'll improve under him. We've seen some tantalising glimpses of how it's supposed to work. though how much exactly I'm not sure. But to fail as miserably as he did to get a tune out of the squad last season, and some of his team selections this season, are real head-scratchers and he's underperformed overall. MON similar to Hughes in a way in that their management periods coukd be split into 2 halves Cant let the bad endings overcloud the good early work Agree, which is why both should have been given their cards earlier. They got it so right in terms of the timing of the Pulis sacking but failed to replicate that later. |
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Post by silsdenstokie on Sept 8, 2023 16:10:12 GMT
MON similar to Hughes in a way in that their management periods coukd be split into 2 halves Cant let the bad endings overcloud the good early work Agree, which is why both should have been given their cards earlier. They got it so right in terms of the timing of the Pulis sacking but failed to replicate that later. Absolutely Think they gave Jones a month too long aswell which could have proved costly |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 8, 2023 16:16:47 GMT
How would you rate the last five Stoke City managers out of 10? Lambert 3/10 - ultimately went down with a whimper but in hindsight probably would have been better off keeping him than ending up with... Rowett 2/10 - spent loads, delivered very little. Just about recovered from that. Could well have led to another relegation given the shit that he signed. Jones 1/10 - I mean, just awful. Surprised he lasted so long. O'Neil 6/10 - stabilised us from the horror show we were under Jones, and no doubt improved us, but just couldn't push us on any further. Solid if not spectacular. Neil 6/10 (so far) - played some of the best football we've seen since we got relegated but oddly ended up in the worst position. Green shoots emerging this season but remains to be seen if it's all hot air. Rowett a 4 and Neil a 4 for me |
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Post by thornestein on Sept 8, 2023 16:49:13 GMT
that’s surprising, you disliked MoN but seem to like Neil but you rated MoN higher ? It's because I try to look at things objectively, which blows people's minds on here. I think MON did an ok job overall. Started well. Got increasingly muddled and lost the plot entirely by the end (as even the best managers do in the end). Probably should've done better than he did overall but did some great work lowering the wage bill and consolidating. Not great in the transfer market and never quite seemed sure what team he wanted to build. I think Neil will go on to be considered a better Stoke manager but he really hasn't shown it yet. I think he knows what he's doing and is recruiting with a plan in mind, and we'll improve under him. We've seen some tantalising glimpses of how it's supposed to work. though how much exactly I'm not sure. But to fail as miserably as he did to get a tune out of the squad last season, and some of his team selections this season, are real head-scratchers and he's underperformed overall. i hope you’re right about Neil , but he needs improve and quickly , fans won’t give him time if things get as poor as least season |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 8, 2023 17:34:03 GMT
It's because I try to look at things objectively, which blows people's minds on here. I think MON did an ok job overall. Started well. Got increasingly muddled and lost the plot entirely by the end (as even the best managers do in the end). Probably should've done better than he did overall but did some great work lowering the wage bill and consolidating. Not great in the transfer market and never quite seemed sure what team he wanted to build. I think Neil will go on to be considered a better Stoke manager but he really hasn't shown it yet. I think he knows what he's doing and is recruiting with a plan in mind, and we'll improve under him. We've seen some tantalising glimpses of how it's supposed to work. though how much exactly I'm not sure. But to fail as miserably as he did to get a tune out of the squad last season, and some of his team selections this season, are real head-scratchers and he's underperformed overall. i hope you’re right about Neil , but he needs improve and quickly , fans won’t give him time if things get as poor as least season Tough fixtures coming up. |
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 8, 2023 17:48:45 GMT
Too early to say re AN PL 5, GR 4 NJ 1 MoN 6.5 You can't rate AN because its too early to say despite him being here for over a year yet you can rate PL who was here for 4 months, Rowett who was here for 7 months and Jones 10 months. I don't get it. |
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 8, 2023 17:51:21 GMT
PL 3
Rowett 2
Jones 1
MoN 6
AN 4
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Post by AlliG on Sept 8, 2023 17:55:47 GMT
Too early to say re AN PL 5, GR 4 NJ 1 MoN 6.5 You can't rate AN because its too early to say despite him being here for over a year yet you can rate PL who was here for 4 months and Rowett who was here for 7 months. I don't get it. Well the one thing anyone can guarantee is that the records of Lambert and Rowett as Stoke manager won't be getting any better, whereas, who knows about Alex Neil. |
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Post by cheadlepotter on Sept 8, 2023 17:56:47 GMT
Lambert 2
Rowett 3
Jones 1
O’Neill 4
Neil 3
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Post by dirtclod on Sept 8, 2023 18:11:03 GMT
Lambert 4 - Shouldn't have been hired, but he was better than the two who followed.
Rowett (-5) for the multi-year damage done to the roster, inflated ego and dour brand of football. (I'd still like to slap him)
Jones 1 Off his rocker. Needs to be managing at any of the other clubs we'd like to see sabotaged.
MON 6 He did great FFP work cleaning up Rowett and Jones' messes, probably saved us from oblivion. But then he also signed some pillocks and couldn't sustain anything on-pitch.
AN 5 Seems to have a plan unlike the previous 3. Will see as players integrate & he figures out where to play them.
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Post by Gaz on Sept 8, 2023 18:23:45 GMT
Using Pulis and Hughes as yardstick 8's - all the others get a 1 -3.
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Post by Gods on Sept 8, 2023 18:46:03 GMT
Lambert 4 Rowett 3 Jones 1 MON 6 AN 5 That's kind of where I'm at. Funny because I had you down as a straight AN man! |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 8, 2023 18:50:44 GMT
Lambert 4 Rowett 3 Jones 1 MON 6 AN 5 That's kind of where I'm at. Funny because I had you down as a straight AN man! Yes, because I suggested it might be premature to want him tarred and feathered before being shot out of a cannon into the heart of the sun I seem to have earned a reputation as something of an AN rimmer. 🙂 |
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