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Post by stokeyank on Sept 8, 2023 18:52:49 GMT
Lambert 4 - Gave us an actual chance to stay up. A couple of easy misses go in and it's different Rowett 0 - Barely got us moving and helped ruin our finances for the next 5 years. Though some of that was Scholes and company. Jones 1 - He was clueless, but at least he seemed to care. Just not a football manager. MoN 4 - Steadied us for a season but in the end didn't know how to recruit or find any consistency. AN 5 - Mostly for better recruitment, or it least it seems so early doors. Still needs to find a way to make us solid consistently.
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 8, 2023 18:52:59 GMT
Lambert (5/10) - Managed to improve a team that was leaking goals, providing us with a chance of avoiding relegation. If we take the Swansea game out of the equation when there was nothing at stake, Lambert's 14 games in charge was, by a fair distance, the worst 14-game run we had that season. The fewest games LMH won in any random block of 14 games that season was 3. Lambert won 1. If we're charitable and include the Swansea dead rubber as well, it was.... still one of the worst. Still the fewest games won, still the fewest goals scored (by a distance). Les equalled or bettered PL's points total in six of his nine 15-game runs, and was only one point behind in the others. Also Hughes' longest spell without a win that season was four games - PL promptly managed 13. And let's remember this was LMH's basket-case season when his head had gone and he should have been sacked months before he was. Paul Lambert took a dreadful, hopeless team and made it worse by almost every objective measure - from relegation probables to certainties for the drop under his wretched reign. How anyone extracts "a chance of avoiding relegation" from the downward spiral he took us on I'll never know. Absolutely one of the worst managers we've ever had. 5/10 my bloody eye
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Post by OldStokie on Sept 8, 2023 19:02:08 GMT
Lambert 3 for trying but just not good enough. Rowett 4 but his shoulders not broad enough to face the flak. Jones 1. The worst of the bunch for me. O’Neill 6. Given a very difficult task of dealing with FFP but he achieved it without us getting relegated. Handed over a recovering but static Stoke to Neil. Neil 6. Difficult to give him a figure. Finished the clearout and it's now looking like progress. But his job is not done yet by a long way. We still need some key signings, especially a top class front man and in the defence. I think we still need to be patient with him.
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Post by theonlooker on Sept 8, 2023 19:15:21 GMT
Lambert 3 Rowett 2 Jones 2 MON 7 Neil 5
High score for MON is the navigation of FFP, avoiding certain relegation to League One, bringing through the kids and improving certain players in the squad whilst he was here. The basic fundamentals of a manager I suppose.
None of the other managers including the current one have come anywhere near close to achieving that. Some actively making things much worse.
Neil has been bang average thus far. A real let down. Let's hope he improves.
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Post by baconburger on Sept 8, 2023 19:26:00 GMT
You can't rate AN because its too early to say despite him being here for over a year yet you can rate PL who was here for 4 months and Rowett who was here for 7 months. I don't get it. Well the one thing anyone can guarantee is that the records of Lambert and Rowett as Stoke manager won't be getting any better, whereas, who knows about Alex Neil. It’s fence sitting though isn’t it? AN’s record to date isn’t very impressive so doesn’t merit an above average score. I think the vast majority of us hope it will improve.
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Post by baconburger on Sept 8, 2023 19:34:27 GMT
Lambert (5/10) - Managed to improve a team that was leaking goals, providing us with a chance of avoiding relegation. If we take the Swansea game out of the equation when there was nothing at stake, Lambert's 14 games in charge was, by a fair distance, the worst 14-game run we had that season. The fewest games LMH won in any random block of 14 games that season was 3. Lambert won 1. If we're charitable and include the Swansea dead rubber as well, it was.... still one of the worst. Still the fewest games won, still the fewest goals scored (by a distance). Les equalled or bettered PL's points total in six of his nine 15-game runs, and was only one point behind in the others. Also Hughes' longest spell without a win that season was four games - PL promptly managed 13. And let's remember this was LMH's basket-case season when his head had gone and he should have been sacked months before he was. Paul Lambert took a dreadful, hopeless team and made it worse by almost every objective measure - from relegation probables to certainties for the drop under his wretched reign. How anyone extracts "a chance of avoiding relegation" from the downward spiral he took us on I'll never know. Absolutely one of the worst managers we've ever had. 5/10 my bloody eye Glad that’s not just my assessment. He appealed to those craving stopping conceding whatever the consequences. Which the club had bought into with the vast spend on CB’s and jackshit on goals and creativity despite losing our main goal threat. All that for a club that never cracked 50 goals in any one of it’s 10 PL seasons. Seems there were more than March who thought goals were irrelevant.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Sept 8, 2023 19:44:21 GMT
Lambert 3 Rowett 2 Jones 2 MON 7 Neil 5 High score for MON is the navigation of FFP, avoiding certain relegation to League One, bringing through the kids and improving certain players in the squad whilst he was here. The basic fundamentals of a manager I suppose. None of the other managers including the current one have come anywhere near close to achieving that. Some actively making things much worse. Neil has been bang average thus far. A real let down. Let's hope he improves. I think the fundamentals point is right about MON and I also agree about it leading to relegation otherwise. People will say anyone could’ve come in and kept us up but then you think about Paul Lambert and actually it’s not that easy. In an alternate reality where MON doesn’t take charge and we get relegated his rating probably goes up exponentially in context but that’s not what happened so it’s no point discussing it or reading my post as far as you have. Sorry about that.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 8, 2023 20:01:21 GMT
Lambert 3 Rowett 2 Jones 2 MON 7 Neil 5 High score for MON is the navigation of FFP, avoiding certain relegation to League One, bringing through the kids and improving certain players in the squad whilst he was here. The basic fundamentals of a manager I suppose. None of the other managers including the current one have come anywhere near close to achieving that. Some actively making things much worse. Neil has been bang average thus far. A real let down. Let's hope he improves. I think the fundamentals point is right about MON and I also agree about it leading to relegation otherwise. People will say anyone could’ve come in and kept us up but then you think about Paul Lambert and actually it’s not that easy. In an alternate reality where MON doesn’t take charge and we get relegated his rating probably goes up exponentially in context but that’s not what happened so it’s no point discussing it or reading my post as far as you have. Sorry about that. It should be tempered with his bizarre addiction to 3-5-2 when his best run of form came playing 4-2-3-1, his weird transfer business and his bizarre aversion to certain types of player.
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Post by blackpoolred on Sept 8, 2023 21:09:27 GMT
Lambert 1/10 - Totally out of his depth, possibly the most awful person(Dinosaur) imaginable to put in charge at that time - dreadful/clueless club management
Rowett 6/10 - think I am the only fan in Stoke that would have liked to have seen him given more time, picked up a club rotten to the core and was going to take some rebuild even with money - half a season and one window ridiculous amount of time - clueless club management.
Jones 1/10 - See Lambert comment
O'Neil 3/10 - started off well and then looked like he lost interest, just another front man - got rid at the correct time - awful appointment at the time though given we were bottom of the table and he could only take the job on a part-time basis, had a drinking problem/conviction and zero experience in English football - beyond clueless club management.
Neil 4/10 (so far) - needs time, certainly talks a good game, not sure he knows or has the experience of rebuilding a team. Once again lost with the windows though, I think we signed 9 attacking players in the last window and have 7 viable defenders in the entire squad, total lack of depth and quality in that position - no great headers of the ball and unable to defend a basic cross since the guy has been here and nothing done to rectify that. Don't be sending me stats on our defenders aerial duals - just look at the goals we are conceding week in week out
Impressed that we did not hang on to MON and went all out for AN - has a decent record and lots of experience so I suppose we cant complain with this one and some of the football has looked the best we have seen for a while, but we have had the odd game where it has looked utterly shocking and total surrender.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 8, 2023 21:26:11 GMT
Lambert 1/10 - Totally out of his depth, possibly the most awful person(Dinosaur) imaginable to put in charge at that time - dreadful/clueless club management Rowett 6/10 - think I am the only fan in Stoke that would have liked to have seen him given more time, picked up a club rotten to the core and was going to take some rebuild even with money - half a season and one window ridiculous amount of time - clueless club management. Jones 1/10 - See Lambert comment O'Neil 3/10 - started off well and then looked like he lost interest, just another front man - got rid at the correct time - awful appointment at the time though given we were bottom of the table and he could only take the job on a part-time basis, had a drinking problem/conviction and zero experience in English football - beyond clueless club management. Neil 4/10 (so far) - needs time, certainly talks a good game, not sure he knows or has the experience of rebuilding a team. Once again lost with the windows though, I think we signed 9 attacking players in the last window and have 7 viable defenders in the entire squad, total lack of depth and quality in that position - no great headers of the ball and unable to defend a basic cross since the guy has been here and nothing done to rectify that. Don't be sending me stats on our defenders aerial duals - just look at the goals we are conceding week in week out Impressed that we did not hang on to MON and went all out for AN - has a decent record and lots of experience so I suppose we cant complain with this one and some of the football has looked the best we have seen for a while, but we have had the odd game where it has looked utterly shocking and total surrender. On what planet did Rowett deserve more time after that spending spree, why should he have received another penny?
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 8, 2023 21:37:28 GMT
Lambert 1/10 - Totally out of his depth, possibly the most awful person(Dinosaur) imaginable to put in charge at that time - dreadful/clueless club management Rowett 6/10 - think I am the only fan in Stoke that would have liked to have seen him given more time, picked up a club rotten to the core and was going to take some rebuild even with money - half a season and one window ridiculous amount of time - clueless club management. Jones 1/10 - See Lambert comment O'Neil 3/10 - started off well and then looked like he lost interest, just another front man - got rid at the correct time - awful appointment at the time though given we were bottom of the table and he could only take the job on a part-time basis, had a drinking problem/conviction and zero experience in English football - beyond clueless club management. Neil 4/10 (so far) - needs time, certainly talks a good game, not sure he knows or has the experience of rebuilding a team. Once again lost with the windows though, I think we signed 9 attacking players in the last window and have 7 viable defenders in the entire squad, total lack of depth and quality in that position - no great headers of the ball and unable to defend a basic cross since the guy has been here and nothing done to rectify that. Don't be sending me stats on our defenders aerial duals - just look at the goals we are conceding week in week out Impressed that we did not hang on to MON and went all out for AN - has a decent record and lots of experience so I suppose we cant complain with this one and some of the football has looked the best we have seen for a while, but we have had the odd game where it has looked utterly shocking and total surrender. On what planet did Rowett deserve more time after that spending spree, why should he have received another penny? I despised the bloke but in hindsight it was pointless sacking him and replacing him with Jones, he'd have done much better than Jones with the players he had.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 8, 2023 21:40:29 GMT
On what planet did Rowett deserve more time after that spending spree, why should he have received another penny? I despised the bloke but in hindsight it was pointless sacking him and replacing him with Jones, he'd have done much better than Jones with the players he had. Sacking him was the right move. His position was untenable and he couldn’t be given another transfer window. In hindsight Jones was completely the wrong appointment. The ‘forever grateful’ brigade never seem to get the family’s culpability in their complete lack of vision and planning.
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Post by stokerstayinup on Sept 8, 2023 21:48:35 GMT
Lambert 4 likeable but out of his depth. Rowett 2 unlikeable and set us back years. Jones 1 Beware of false gods. MoN 7 saved us from league 1,massively hampered by ffp,did a great job overall but couldnt push us on. AN 3 flattered to deceive,talks a gd game,the club has made massive strides in recent times,hoping that includes a succession plan re the manager.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Sept 8, 2023 21:55:42 GMT
Rowett 6/10 - think I am the only fan in Stoke that would have liked to have seen him given more time, picked up a club rotten to the core and was going to take some rebuild even with money - half a season and one window ridiculous amount of time - clueless club management.. He could’ve had a few months in the Prem with us if he fancied it but he thought Derby were a better bet.
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Post by numpty40 on Sept 8, 2023 22:19:10 GMT
Lambert was an awful appointment but Rowett plumbed new depths, those two appointments are the reason we're still trying to tread water.
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Post by HarryTheHat on Sept 8, 2023 22:23:04 GMT
Lambert 2 - absolute barrel-scraping appointment when we still had a fighting chance of staying up
Rowett 4 - blew an absolute fortune on mediocre players but if he'd stayed, he'd have certainly got a better tune out of them than the next clown
Jones 0 - a complete idiot and out of his depth. Clearly incapable of managing anybody other than Luton
MON 5 - kept us up, but it soon became apparent that he hadn't got a clue when anything other than survival was expected from him
AN 6 - difficult to score meaningfully when he's only had 7 competitive games with a squad that he can actually call his own but I've seen enough in the past 12 months to know that he'll ultimately do better than all of the above
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Sept 9, 2023 4:30:54 GMT
The fact that Lambert was seen as a better bet than the two that followed says everything! MON, just think the thought of another two years of the mundane ground him down, plus his own health issues! Keeping us up was some kind of miracle, some fantastic results! AN, he should be under serious pressure if we're going nowhere by January! Some exciting signings but the defence is still lacking. Fixing the roof while the foundations..... time will tell, hopefully we act decisively if the time comes.
5, 3, 2, 6, 5
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Post by Trouserdog on Sept 9, 2023 6:08:27 GMT
Lambert 3/10 He at least had a go at making us a bit more solid and trying to bomb out the wasters, but he was pretty fucking shit wasn't he?
Rowett 2/10 Dreadful in the transfer market and somehow created a boring, defensive side armed with parachute payments and a squad only just relegated from the Premier League. How?
Jones 1/10 Utterly incompetent. This generation's Chris Kamara.
MON 6/10 Rescued us in that first season. Couldn't move us forward though, and I'm not sure he would have done so even with a bigger budget.
Neil 5/10 (so far) Inherited a poor, unbalanced squad and produced poor, unbalanced football with them. However, there is the potential for things to improve.
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Post by questionable on Sept 9, 2023 6:44:34 GMT
Blanked past appointments and currently 3/10. AN talks a good job but fails to deliver on a regular basis.
Given our forthcoming fixtures and serious negligence related to our defense/formations and insisting on playing certain players I can see us dropping into the relegation places in the coming weeks, the only benchmark we have is Rotherham.
It’s frightening how wrong we keep getting it.
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Post by jokker on Sept 9, 2023 7:14:27 GMT
Too early to say re AN PL 5, GR 4 NJ 1 MoN 6.5 It's too early to judge AN although he's into his 13th month, but you have no problem judging Jones even though he was only here 8 months.
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Post by Gods on Sept 9, 2023 7:27:05 GMT
Lambert (5/10) - Managed to improve a team that was leaking goals, providing us with a chance of avoiding relegation. If we take the Swansea game out of the equation when there was nothing at stake, Lambert's 14 games in charge was, by a fair distance, the worst 14-game run we had that season. The fewest games LMH won in any random block of 14 games that season was 3. Lambert won 1. If we're charitable and include the Swansea dead rubber as well, it was.... still one of the worst. Still the fewest games won, still the fewest goals scored (by a distance). Les equalled or bettered PL's points total in six of his nine 15-game runs, and was only one point behind in the others. Also Hughes' longest spell without a win that season was four games - PL promptly managed 13. And let's remember this was LMH's basket-case season when his head had gone and he should have been sacked months before he was. Paul Lambert took a dreadful, hopeless team and made it worse by almost every objective measure - from relegation probables to certainties for the drop under his wretched reign. How anyone extracts "a chance of avoiding relegation" from the downward spiral he took us on I'll never know. Absolutely one of the worst managers we've ever had. 5/10 my bloody eye Yep, Lambert won his first game in charge, Huddersfield at home, and his last one, the dead rubber at Swansea. And that was it! We only went down by 4 points, no way Hughes would not have found the missing 4 points had he not been fired.
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Post by baconburger on Sept 9, 2023 7:45:22 GMT
If we take the Swansea game out of the equation when there was nothing at stake, Lambert's 14 games in charge was, by a fair distance, the worst 14-game run we had that season. The fewest games LMH won in any random block of 14 games that season was 3. Lambert won 1. If we're charitable and include the Swansea dead rubber as well, it was.... still one of the worst. Still the fewest games won, still the fewest goals scored (by a distance). Les equalled or bettered PL's points total in six of his nine 15-game runs, and was only one point behind in the others. Also Hughes' longest spell without a win that season was four games - PL promptly managed 13. And let's remember this was LMH's basket-case season when his head had gone and he should have been sacked months before he was. Paul Lambert took a dreadful, hopeless team and made it worse by almost every objective measure - from relegation probables to certainties for the drop under his wretched reign. How anyone extracts "a chance of avoiding relegation" from the downward spiral he took us on I'll never know. Absolutely one of the worst managers we've ever had. 5/10 my bloody eye Yep, Lambert won his first game in charge, Huddersfield at home, and his last one, the dead rubber at Swansea. And that was it! We only went down by 4 points, no way Hughes would not have found the missing 4 points had he not been fired. He identified and tried to correct the wrong problem ably assisted by a large section of our fan base who are obsessed with the defensive side of the game. In his early years Hughes had shown how to get better at defending by not doing nearly so much of it.
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Post by metalhead on Sept 9, 2023 7:54:09 GMT
Lambert 5 - as others have mentioned, he is harshly judged on here. He took a broken team that was leaking goals and failing to score and made them harder to beat, while still unable to score. Very few managers would have kept us up. The rot was set in.
Rowett 1 - A horrible odious cunt. The writing was on the wall well before Leeds. On the pre season trip abroad, he was cheered by about two thousand Stoke fans before and after games yet seemed too smarmy and smug to even acknowledge us. Most of us on that trip decided he was a cunt.
Jones 3 - Wanted it so much. Just didn't have the requisite ability. Still think he'll come good at another club. Shame it wasn't ours.
ONeill 6.5 - Let's not forget that we would have definitely gone down had it not been for Mick. Did a job. No issues.
AN - Not sure.
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Post by blackpoolred on Sept 10, 2023 20:53:15 GMT
Lambert 1/10 - Totally out of his depth, possibly the most awful person(Dinosaur) imaginable to put in charge at that time - dreadful/clueless club management Rowett 6/10 - think I am the only fan in Stoke that would have liked to have seen him given more time, picked up a club rotten to the core and was going to take some rebuild even with money - half a season and one window ridiculous amount of time - clueless club management. Jones 1/10 - See Lambert comment O'Neil 3/10 - started off well and then looked like he lost interest, just another front man - got rid at the correct time - awful appointment at the time though given we were bottom of the table and he could only take the job on a part-time basis, had a drinking problem/conviction and zero experience in English football - beyond clueless club management. Neil 4/10 (so far) - needs time, certainly talks a good game, not sure he knows or has the experience of rebuilding a team. Once again lost with the windows though, I think we signed 9 attacking players in the last window and have 7 viable defenders in the entire squad, total lack of depth and quality in that position - no great headers of the ball and unable to defend a basic cross since the guy has been here and nothing done to rectify that. Don't be sending me stats on our defenders aerial duals - just look at the goals we are conceding week in week out Impressed that we did not hang on to MON and went all out for AN - has a decent record and lots of experience so I suppose we cant complain with this one and some of the football has looked the best we have seen for a while, but we have had the odd game where it has looked utterly shocking and total surrender. On what planet did Rowett deserve more time after that spending spree, why should he have received another penny? Personally thought the team was beginning to show signs - we had played some good stuff, he was sacked for losing 2 in 12 games - stuff we could only dream of now. We went on to persist longer with Jones who was a road traffic accident from the start - not saying Rowett would have been some sort of messiah - just that I would have liked to have seen what would have happened had we not pulled the trigger as quick as we did - more curiosity - but a feeling we would have at least been top half and maybe pushing for play-offs
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 10, 2023 21:32:22 GMT
Lambert 1 - Hughes started the decline, Lambert accelerated it Rowett - 5. We were already dead and buried. Rowett just wasn't good enough to resuscitate a corpse. Jones - 0. Hopeless. Made us worse MoM - 7. Kept us going on a shoestring. Will never get the credit due. Neil - ?. Don't know but given the situation he has inherited he should achieve the playoffs either this season or next.
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Post by roylandstoke on Sept 11, 2023 0:30:01 GMT
Lambert 4 tried hard, cared and seemed a decent bloke Rowett 2 wasted £50M shit football, total twat Jones 1 MON 6 wasn’t helped by injuries to key players Neil 3 bloody awful results so far, no more excuses: needs to start winning more than he loses
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 11, 2023 5:26:10 GMT
On what planet did Rowett deserve more time after that spending spree, why should he have received another penny? Personally thought the team was beginning to show signs - we had played some good stuff, he was sacked for losing 2 in 12 games - stuff we could only dream of now. We went on to persist longer with Jones who was a road traffic accident from the start - not saying Rowett would have been some sort of messiah - just that I would have liked to have seen what would have happened had we not pulled the trigger as quick as we did - more curiosity - but a feeling we would have at least been top half and maybe pushing for play-offs Based on what though? He’d have wanted more money to waste in January, would you have been comfortable giving him more? What ‘good stuff’ were we playing? The only games we showed anything in were against teams who came at us and thus were open enough for us to counter attack against. The problem was that he tried to play that way against everybody, whether it was Villa away or Rotherham at home. The 12 game run also included six draws, three of them against the sides who finished 19th, 20th and 23rd.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 11, 2023 5:53:44 GMT
Lambert 1/10 - Totally out of his depth, possibly the most awful person(Dinosaur) imaginable to put in charge at that time - dreadful/clueless club management Rowett 6/10 - think I am the only fan in Stoke that would have liked to have seen him given more time, picked up a club rotten to the core and was going to take some rebuild even with money - half a season and one window ridiculous amount of time - clueless club management. Jones 1/10 - See Lambert comment O'Neil 3/10 - started off well and then looked like he lost interest, just another front man - got rid at the correct time - awful appointment at the time though given we were bottom of the table and he could only take the job on a part-time basis, had a drinking problem/conviction and zero experience in English football - beyond clueless club management. Neil 4/10 (so far) - needs time, certainly talks a good game, not sure he knows or has the experience of rebuilding a team. Once again lost with the windows though, I think we signed 9 attacking players in the last window and have 7 viable defenders in the entire squad, total lack of depth and quality in that position - no great headers of the ball and unable to defend a basic cross since the guy has been here and nothing done to rectify that. Don't be sending me stats on our defenders aerial duals - just look at the goals we are conceding week in week out Impressed that we did not hang on to MON and went all out for AN - has a decent record and lots of experience so I suppose we cant complain with this one and some of the football has looked the best we have seen for a while, but we have had the odd game where it has looked utterly shocking and total surrender. 6 for Rowett for spunking £60m on expensive dross that set our recovery back another 3/4 seasons. 3 for O’Neill who helped undo a lot of the damage he caused. Makes zero sense……
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Post by pavel on Sept 11, 2023 12:52:12 GMT
Lambert - 1 An absolutely dire appointment destined to fail, put a team together team that couldn't win when we needed the points.
Rowett - 3 Arrogant, mediocre manager when we needed someone who had some vision (Potter?) who was responsible for getting us into the mess we are now trying to get out of with his profligate, aimless and disastrous signings. His disingenuous treatment of Bojan was disgusting. (Revised rating of 1 for it)
Jones - 0 What can you say mad Nath lived up to his name in every facet of his tenure during his short stay.
O'Neil - 4 (because he saved us from relegation) another mediocre manager with no experience really of league football at this level, poor tactically after the first season and din't know how to build a team.
Neil - 4 (so far) another mediocre manager with a mediocre record, the jury's well and truly out.
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Post by Roger Everyone on Sept 11, 2023 17:20:18 GMT
Lambert 2 Not an easy job to take on, and was useless. Rowett 4 spent money unwisely, but is a better manager than he gets credit for. Jones 1 absolute basket case, see Southampton also. MON 7 started really well, just never improved. Cleared out loads of players did a good around job with what he had.
Alex N 5.5 (present score) this season will be the one for him...we will see if he is any good. Not very brave with tactics so far..
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