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Post by The Drunken Communist on Sept 8, 2023 12:13:14 GMT
Words fail me. Mama as our 7th greatest striker?🤦🏻♂️ Was he a prolific scorer? No, of course not, but strikers surely earn their stripes through scoring the important goals in important games and in that regard I'd argue that Sidibe's goals against Bristol City & Aston Villa were the two of, if not the two most important goals this football club has scored in half a century. For that alone I have no problem with him being on the list.
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Sept 8, 2023 12:13:43 GMT
What a nonsense list that is but even allowing for the stupid order we really have had a vacuum of decent strikers down the years. It really is and always has been our Achilles heel. Goalkeepers and defenders and even midfielders we've had our fair share but only three or four prolific strikers in our entire history. Steele, Ritchie, Stein, Thorne and that's about it for any sustained period. It struck me reading that how Thorne was signed “as a replacement for Sheron”, who in turn was signed not long after Steino had left - what a tremendous little run of forwards we had in the 90s, especially if you throw the likes of Bertie and Sturridge in there as supporting acts as well. My coming-of-age years as a Stoke fan, little did I realise having a talismanic striker who scored a goal every other game was very much the exception and not the rule… 🙄 We've been cursed pretty much since the turn of the century. Since Thorne, I'd argue that the only 'proper', regularly scoring striker we've had in that time is James Beattie. And that was only for 6 months. Fuller, great as he was, wasn't an out and out regular goalscorer. More of a traditional number 10 who was a creator and weighed in with his share of goals too. He was never prolific at any point with Stoke purely as a goalscorer.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 8, 2023 12:19:51 GMT
It struck me reading that how Thorne was signed “as a replacement for Sheron”, who in turn was signed not long after Steino had left - what a tremendous little run of forwards we had in the 90s, especially if you throw the likes of Bertie and Sturridge in there as supporting acts as well. My coming-of-age years as a Stoke fan, little did I realise having a talismanic striker who scored a goal every other game was very much the exception and not the rule… 🙄 We've been cursed pretty much since the turn of the century. Since Thorne, I'd argue that the only 'proper', regularly scoring striker we've had in that time is James Beattie. And that was only for 6 months. Fuller, great as he was, wasn't an out and out regular goalscorer. More of a traditional number 10 who was a creator and weighed in with his share of goals too. He was never prolific at any point with Stoke purely as a goalscorer. Nobody was in that era though. The team wasn't set up to score goals.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Sept 8, 2023 12:25:17 GMT
It struck me reading that how Thorne was signed “as a replacement for Sheron”, who in turn was signed not long after Steino had left - what a tremendous little run of forwards we had in the 90s, especially if you throw the likes of Bertie and Sturridge in there as supporting acts as well. My coming-of-age years as a Stoke fan, little did I realise having a talismanic striker who scored a goal every other game was very much the exception and not the rule… 🙄 We've been cursed pretty much since the turn of the century. Since Thorne, I'd argue that the only 'proper', regularly scoring striker we've had in that time is James Beattie. And that was only for 6 months. Fuller, great as he was, wasn't an out and out regular goalscorer. More of a traditional number 10 who was a creator and weighed in with his share of goals too. He was never prolific at any point with Stoke purely as a goalscorer. Agree with all that. Ric wasn't a prolific goalscorer by any stretch but he was a player who could win a game by himself. One of the only players I have seen down Stoke that every time he got the ball I thought something was going to happen. For the time he was with us I would have paid the ticket price just to watch Ric play, that's how special he was to our club.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Sept 8, 2023 12:39:02 GMT
I couldn't believe it when I saw Steele that low...then behind Jones and Beattie, and Ritchie only 8th as well. Sidibe I can understand in a top 12, but there needs to be more justification than "helped Stoke to promotion." Apparently the author is a Stoke City fan. Needs a bit more thought and research on articles like this methinks.
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Post by Gods on Sept 8, 2023 12:39:25 GMT
Folks, it's a bit of fun 😆
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2023 12:43:58 GMT
I knew it was a farce of a list when there was no mention of Keith Scott.
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Post by Roger Everyone on Sept 8, 2023 12:44:53 GMT
Ian painter should be no1
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Post by lordb on Sept 8, 2023 13:07:57 GMT
Ian painter should be no1 Number one... For being offside Good finisher though Suffered as much as anyone from POMO
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 8, 2023 13:13:53 GMT
Words fail me. Mama as our 7th greatest striker?🤦🏻♂️ Was he a prolific scorer? No, of course not, but strikers surely earn their stripes through scoring the important goals in important games and in that regard I'd argue that Sidibe's goals against Bristol City & Aston Villa were the two of, if not the two most important goals this football club has scored in half a century. For that alone I have no problem with him being on the list. You would have to include Conroy & Eastham on that list then.
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Sept 8, 2023 14:46:51 GMT
Being serious for a minute. There’s only one ‘best ever’ striker in my time supporting Stoke and that’s the great John Richie. (Never had the honour of watching Freddie Steele) After that it has to be Mark Stein, then Peter Thorne (notwithstanding it wasn’t in the top flight) Then on my list comes Ricardo and after that well, fight amongst yourselves.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 8, 2023 14:54:17 GMT
Not sure if this is controversial or not but I thought Sheron was comfortably better than Thorne.
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Post by onionman on Sept 8, 2023 14:59:02 GMT
This list would be fine if it was called "12 random forwards in no particular order" and it would be even better if Keith Bertschin was in it.
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Sept 8, 2023 14:59:08 GMT
Not sure if this is controversial or not but I thought Sheron was comfortably better than Thorne. Not controversial at all. It’s all about opinions. Oh, honourable mention to Tim Coleman (when was the last time you saw a Stoke player score SEVEN (7] goals in one game?
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 8, 2023 14:59:30 GMT
Being serious for a minute. There’s only one ‘best ever’ striker in my time supporting Stoke and that’s the great John Richie. (Never had the honour of watching Freddie Steele) After that it has to be Mark Stein, then Peter Thorne (notwithstanding it wasn’t in the top flight) Then on my list comes Ricardo and after that well, fight amongst yourselves. Agree John Ritchie, 1 goal in 2, all in the top flight.
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Post by borat on Sept 8, 2023 15:24:01 GMT
Most ridiculous list I've ever seen lol.
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 8, 2023 15:48:00 GMT
That is such a huge insult to the memory of John Ritchie. I feel embarrassed to read that.
Post War there really is no competition for him.
He is miles ahead, anyone whoever saw him play will vouch for that and his record speaks for itself.
And where is Terry Conroy? Not an out and out striker (though he could play there) but as much as a striker as Walters or Mama.
Same with Peter Dobing who played upfront when he came and scored 95 goals for Stoke.
Then there is Dennis Violet (66 goals) who my Dad rates as one the finest English inside forwards of his time.
Garth Crooks should be in above some of them too.
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Post by mickstupp on Sept 8, 2023 15:49:05 GMT
Words fail me. Mama as our 7th greatest striker?🤦🏻♂️ Was he a prolific scorer? No, of course not, but strikers surely earn their stripes through scoring the important goals in important games and in that regard I'd argue that Sidibe's goals against Bristol City & Aston Villa were the two of, if not the two most important goals this football club has scored in half a century. For that alone I have no problem with him being on the list. If there was a list for the most likeable Stoke players he’d probably come out on top. As a striker, I wouldn’t have him in my top 100 never mind 7th.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 8, 2023 15:51:15 GMT
I wouldn't get too wound up about it, Cantona was voted the greatest ever Man U player which was beyond ridiculous
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Post by baconburger on Sept 8, 2023 15:56:22 GMT
Not sure if this is controversial or not but I thought Sheron was comfortably better than Thorne. His conversion rate must have been phenominal in his short time with us I'd go with him and Stein as the best in my time, maybe more clinical than Stein but Steino's movement was a joy to behold. That scoring spree he went on at Chelsea proved the fact that we were in the second and third tier when he played for us was irrelevant to just how good he was.
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Post by tigermoth on Sept 8, 2023 16:01:17 GMT
No Andy Cooke or Tommy Mooney? 😳
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 8, 2023 16:02:57 GMT
Not sure if this is controversial or not but I thought Sheron was comfortably better than Thorne. His conversion rate must have been phenominal in his short time with us I'd go with him and Stein as the best in my time, maybe more clinical than Stein but Steino's movement was a joy to behold. That scoring spree he went on at Chelsea proved the fact that we were in the second and third tier when he played for us was irrelevant to just how good he was. Yeah what I liked about Sheron was that he could score any kind of goal from anywhere, was a good footballer as well as a finisher.
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Post by cvillestokie on Sept 8, 2023 16:18:39 GMT
Words fail me. Mama as our 7th greatest striker?🤦🏻♂️ Was he a prolific scorer? No, of course not, but strikers surely earn their stripes through scoring the important goals in important games and in that regard I'd argue that Sidibe's goals against Bristol City & Aston Villa were the two of, if not the two most important goals this football club has scored in half a century. For that alone I have no problem with him being on the list. That argument could be flipped to say that if he’d have scored more often, the two goals he is remembered for wouldn’t have been as important. He averaged about 1 in 9 for us. Even as a player who wasn’t there to score goals regularly, you’d still be hoping for more than that. A number of defenders will average that out a year. He did still form the lesser half of a really important partnership for us though.
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Post by pmjh on Sept 8, 2023 16:34:32 GMT
Laughable. Ritchie and Steele have to be top two. No contest.
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Post by wakeypotter on Sept 8, 2023 16:52:14 GMT
What about lee chapman
I saw him score a hat trick at Leeds in 80s That alone is worth a top ten place 😜
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Post by baconburger on Sept 8, 2023 17:36:41 GMT
Laughable. Ritchie and Steele have to be top two. No contest. Many of us have never seen them, there again if you've never seen them why would you include them in your list at all?
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Post by Veritas on Sept 8, 2023 17:46:27 GMT
Ben Rowley is obviously an utter knob
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Sept 8, 2023 17:54:24 GMT
I wouldn't get too wound up about it, Cantona was voted the greatest ever Man U player which was beyond ridiculous Opinions Opinions should have some basis on reality. It just comes across as a lazy list.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 8, 2023 17:57:03 GMT
I knew it was a farce of a list when there was no mention of Keith Scott. Allan Smart must have been what they called in the charts...bubbling under
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Post by leicspotter on Sept 8, 2023 17:58:15 GMT
Of those I saw "in the flesh" it has to be Big John Ritchie, great record and all in the top flight. If not Him, then Ricci Dadason
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