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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Dec 31, 2023 10:57:25 GMT
Pearson will not last long under this manager/coach he knows what he wants from his squad in terms of performance & Pearson on his showing against Watford will soon be on the sidelines. Mind you he did not pick up his usual booking for something stupid so perhaps thats a little progress. He's already dropped him and his showing V Watford justified that. Sometimes deserved criticism is seen as a witch hunt...I would say Bonham is a witch hunt by some, not Pearson, he deserves the criticism with some desperately poor performances
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Post by nottsover60 on Dec 31, 2023 11:01:54 GMT
I do think footballers are over muscular these days, so much so that players like Tyrese seem to lose their athleticism that they had as junior players (Lukaku was a fine example) . I don't like it and disagree that it makes them better. I know they have different jobs and I don't have the stats to back up my argument but I suspect that light weight that he may look, Junho actually wins a higher percentage of his 1v1 challenges than Pearson and certainly is faster at getting back to put in a challenge. Timing is everything, the best tacklers don't need to be strong, just able to time their challenge. Often they just wait for a slight miscontrol from their opponent to nick it off their toe.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2023 11:41:46 GMT
Pearson will not last long under this manager/coach he knows what he wants from his squad in terms of performance & Pearson on his showing against Watford will soon be on the sidelines. Mind you he did not pick up his usual booking for something stupid so perhaps thats a little progress. He's already dropped him and his showing V Watford justified that. Sometimes deserved criticism is seen as a witch hunt...I would say Bonham is a witch hunt by some, not Pearson, he deserves the criticism with some desperately poor performances He hasn't actually dropped him. He just didn't bring him straight back in after his suspension was up. He may well not fit Schumacher's plans but I wouldn't be quite so sure just yet.
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Dec 31, 2023 11:48:36 GMT
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Post by mattador78 on Dec 31, 2023 11:48:36 GMT
Neil wanted Pearson to slow the game to his pace. Schuey wants players to speed it up. It’s adapt or leave time.
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Post by jeycov on Dec 31, 2023 11:50:31 GMT
Neil wanted Pearson to slow the game to his pace. Schuey wants players to speed it up. It’s adapt or leave time. Adapt or play alongside someone who compliments his game
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Dec 31, 2023 11:51:15 GMT
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Dec 31, 2023 11:51:15 GMT
He's already dropped him and his showing V Watford justified that. Sometimes deserved criticism is seen as a witch hunt...I would say Bonham is a witch hunt by some, not Pearson, he deserves the criticism with some desperately poor performances He hasn't actually dropped him. He just didn't bring him straight back in after his suspension was up. He may well not fit Schumacher's plans but I wouldn't be quite so sure just yet. Left him out ...he certainly hasn't done anything to warrant being in his plans to be fair when all fit.
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Post by idle on Dec 31, 2023 11:51:59 GMT
Not who you asked, but what he brings to the team is some defensive balance to the midfield. Something only Thompson does of the others. Don't get me wrong, Burger and Junho do defensive work, but their defensive positiong isn't all that (and it shouldn't be, they're not that kind of players). I've also seen those comments AT mentions, several times. It's far from constructive criticism. If you want to discuss the job he does in the role he's supposed to play, then go on. I'd like to hear your constructive criticism of that. It is those who claim something that's supposed to argue for their view, not those who diagree with the bile of the average Oatcaker. (Not saying you've been spouting this shite, it's more of a general view) Well if you want to look back at my original post you will see no bile directed at Pearson per se, I said I’m not sure that he fits the way Schumacher wants us to play, that is a high tempo approach. Also to degree he’s been a bit underwhelming this year whether that’s due to what Neil’s asked him to do or his own form is subject to debate. I also said that I’m sure and deserves to given the same chance to prove himself under the new regime as everybody else and if he impresses he will play. Any bile there? I suggest you read my posts rather than making assumptions. Finally I don’t agree there been a witch hunt against Pearson on the Oatcake, nothing compared with what some players have been subjected to, it’s all been rather mild, fat, slow, weak in the tackle, hot headed for example, hardly witch hunt language. This is my fear as well, that he's just not fit enough to be given a chance to show what he's about in a better team. On the other hand, only Junho seems to be fit enough with regards to stamina without fading too badly at the end. The new hero Burger is always the one that's pulled off first. And I wasn't accusing you of spouting bile, hence the last sentence in paranthesis. I was debating whether it is the ones defending him who should have to prove why he deserves a chance rather than the mindless posters who thinks he's the second coming of shit. And I think you've answered quite well - this is constructive criticism.
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Post by mattador78 on Dec 31, 2023 12:21:16 GMT
Neil wanted Pearson to slow the game to his pace. Schuey wants players to speed it up. It’s adapt or leave time. Adapt or play alongside someone who compliments his game He’s guilty of slowing the game down when in possession, which is not something I’m faulting him for it just doesn’t seem to be the managers style. So it’s more on him to speed up, this might be easy as if the other players such as burger and bae are moving quickly up the pitch he will have an out. Out of possession his game will stay the same, I think now though he could have a lot more competition with Thompson. Do I think he can adapt yes he’s a good footballer with a footballing brain so it’s all on him. I don’t think he’s good enough for the manager to compromise his system for though.
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Post by cvillestokie on Dec 31, 2023 12:36:44 GMT
Adapt or play alongside someone who compliments his game He’s guilty of slowing the game down when in possession, which is not something I’m faulting him for it just doesn’t seem to be the managers style. So it’s more on him to speed up, this might be easy as if the other players such as burger and bae are moving quickly up the pitch he will have an out. Out of possession his game will stay the same, I think now though he could have a lot more competition with Thompson. Do I think he can adapt yes he’s a good footballer with a footballing brain so it’s all on him. I don’t think he’s good enough for the manager to compromise his system for though. There are good times to slow the game down to be fair. As a defensive midfielder, it can be very important to do so, to kill momentum when the other team are on the up. Thompson has never been consistent. I’ve always liked him but typically, once he establishes himself in the first team, he either gets complacent or injured. Ideally, the two of them will be able to rotate more. We also can play Burger in that position as well.
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Post by baconburger on Dec 31, 2023 12:45:47 GMT
He’s guilty of slowing the game down when in possession, which is not something I’m faulting him for it just doesn’t seem to be the managers style. So it’s more on him to speed up, this might be easy as if the other players such as burger and bae are moving quickly up the pitch he will have an out. Out of possession his game will stay the same, I think now though he could have a lot more competition with Thompson. Do I think he can adapt yes he’s a good footballer with a footballing brain so it’s all on him. I don’t think he’s good enough for the manager to compromise his system for though. There are good times to slow the game down to be fair. As a defensive midfielder, it can be very important to do so, to kill momentum when the other team are on the up. Thompson has never been consistent. I’ve always liked him but typically, once he establishes himself in the first team, he either gets complacent or injured. Ideally, the two of them will be able to rotate more. We also can play Burger in that position as well. Yes if we could find a raiding LB (We had one and sold him) the two deep midfield roles become very similar to allow both FB’s to bomb on. They can be given very little licence to get forward (almost caged) and need to make a contribution to forward play by one of them at least quarter backing (Burger). The rest is all about protecting the CB’s and filling the holes left by the FB’s.
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Post by werrington on Apr 24, 2024 10:55:27 GMT
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Post by LGH87 on Apr 24, 2024 11:04:11 GMT
I saw that when it was posted on instagram at the time. I wondered why Pearson calls them "my little boys" but I'm guessing he's maybe one of the leaders in the dressing room. Knocks on the head the myths about him not wanting to play for us now AN has left too
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Post by baconburger on Apr 24, 2024 11:05:31 GMT
If only he'd provide his "little boys" a better example.
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 24, 2024 11:07:19 GMT
I saw that when it was posted on instagram at the time. I wondered why Pearson calls them "my little boys" but I'm guessing he's maybe one of the leaders in the dressing room. Knocks on the head the myths about him not wanting to play for us now AN has left too In what way has he looked like he wants to play for us? By hugging his mates in the tunnel?
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Post by baconburger on Apr 24, 2024 11:15:39 GMT
I saw that when it was posted on instagram at the time. I wondered why Pearson calls them "my little boys" but I'm guessing he's maybe one of the leaders in the dressing room. Knocks on the head the myths about him not wanting to play for us now AN has left too In what way has he looked like he wants to play for us? By hugging his mates in the tunnel? Not sure there should be any doubt he wants to play for us. If he could control his foolishness he's a good player. Only problem is by his own admission he's not good at being a bench warmer and struggles to keep up his fitness and sharpness if he's not playing every week when available. Given Schu's preference for 1 deeplying central midfielder and the fact Burger is better at just about everything than him I can't see him being a regular starter. Thommo seems a much better probably much cheaper understudy, still picks up a lot of cards but not normally for such cockish things.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Apr 24, 2024 11:19:20 GMT
I saw that when it was posted on instagram at the time. I wondered why Pearson calls them "my little boys" but I'm guessing he's maybe one of the leaders in the dressing room. Knocks on the head the myths about him not wanting to play for us now AN has left too Is there such a myth,? It's just when he does play, he's a liability and we're a better side without him
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 24, 2024 11:21:42 GMT
In what way has he looked like he wants to play for us? By hugging his mates in the tunnel? Not sure there should be any doubt he wants to play for us. If he could control his foolishness he's a good player. Only problem is by his own admission he's not good at being a bench warmer and struggles to keep up his fitness and sharpness if he's not playing every week when available. Given Schu's preference for 1 deeplying central midfielder and the fact Burger is better at just about everything than him I can't see him being a regular starter. Thommo seems a much better probably much cheaper understudy, still picks up a lot of cards but not normally for such cockish things. How can he be a good player if he's so unprofessional?
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Apr 24, 2024 11:25:33 GMT
I'd love it if we could move Ben Pearson on in the summer and have Burger as a proper deep-lying midfielder, instead of running around like a headless chicken, collecting yellow cards.
Has Pearson ever been match fit since he's been with us?
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Apr 24, 2024 11:27:06 GMT
I saw that when it was posted on instagram at the time. I wondered why Pearson calls them "my little boys" but I'm guessing he's maybe one of the leaders in the dressing room. Knocks on the head the myths about him not wanting to play for us now AN has left too I think Pearson is exactly the type of player we need. Don’t think he was fully fit this season and didn’t do himself justice Was this the same Pearson that was apparently storming off down the tunnel on his own 😒
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Post by emretezzy on Apr 24, 2024 11:30:31 GMT
I'd love it if we could move Ben Pearson on in the summer and have Burger as a proper deep-lying midfielder, instead of running around like a headless chicken, collecting yellow cards. Has Pearson ever been match fit since he's been with us? Burger is a proper 8. The reason he's been playing poorly is he isn't a 6. He's not disciplined enough and it takes away his main attributes. We need a proper 6 this summer
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Apr 24, 2024 11:33:33 GMT
If we can release Baker then we have a space for another midfielder and I agree, Pearson isn't quite the solid DM that we need, but happy for him to stay unless we can sell for a reasonable fee, but that looks doubtful.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Apr 24, 2024 11:37:00 GMT
For as well as Jordan Thompson has done this season, a fit and firing Ben Pearson in one of those midfield positions next season could be a really good thing. I can't see him going anywhere given that he only signed last summer and that he's on a good contract, plus I think Schumacher likes him too.
Over to him now. I think he's been another casualty of a poorly prepared for season. I think some are unnecessarily harsh on him as he's seen as one of Neil's boys. He's still shown at times this season what a good player he can be.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Apr 24, 2024 11:39:45 GMT
For as well as Jordan Thompson has done this season, a fit and firing Ben Pearson in one of those midfield positions next season could be a really good thing. I can't see him going anywhere given that he only signed last summer and that he's on a good contract, plus I think Schumacher likes him too. Over to him now. I think he's been another casualty of a poorly prepared for season. I think some are unnecessarily harsh on him as he's seen as one of Neil's boys. He's still shown at times this season what a good player he can be. Fit and firing Mmm
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Post by LGH87 on Apr 24, 2024 12:06:16 GMT
I saw that when it was posted on instagram at the time. I wondered why Pearson calls them "my little boys" but I'm guessing he's maybe one of the leaders in the dressing room. Knocks on the head the myths about him not wanting to play for us now AN has left too Is there such a myth,? It's just when he does play, he's a liability and we're a better side without him See the first quote response to my post.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Apr 24, 2024 12:07:05 GMT
I'd love it if we could move Ben Pearson on in the summer and have Burger as a proper deep-lying midfielder, instead of running around like a headless chicken, collecting yellow cards. Has Pearson ever been match fit since he's been with us? Burger is a proper 8. The reason he's been playing poorly is he isn't a 6. He's not disciplined enough and it takes away his main attributes.We need a proper 6 this summer Thompson is plenty good enoght as a 6 and I'd be happy for him to fight it out with Pearson next seasom ironically we kW have two whi can play there Burger needs to rediscover his form as am 8 as we have three in him laurent ans cundle with sidibe coming through Our big issue is we n3dd four forwards two centre backs and a left back and permanently keeper
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Post by LGH87 on Apr 24, 2024 12:08:04 GMT
I'd love it if we could move Ben Pearson on in the summer and have Burger as a proper deep-lying midfielder, instead of running around like a headless chicken, collecting yellow cards. Has Pearson ever been match fit since he's been with us? I actually think Burger is better as an 8, he isn't good enough positionally to play as a six full time. Look at the difference Thompson made as a 6 on Saturday and he's nowhere near the player Burger is but he knows the role better. I'd argue we'd be better served signing a better 6 and play Burger and a new signing as the 8's.
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Post by LGH87 on Apr 24, 2024 12:09:45 GMT
I saw that when it was posted on instagram at the time. I wondered why Pearson calls them "my little boys" but I'm guessing he's maybe one of the leaders in the dressing room. Knocks on the head the myths about him not wanting to play for us now AN has left too In what way has he looked like he wants to play for us? By hugging his mates in the tunnel? If he didn't want to be here, he wouldn't be celebrating an important victory would he
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Post by wilcopotter on Apr 24, 2024 13:09:19 GMT
He’s a very good player, just needs to sort his disciplinary issues out, some of his bookings are just petulance and need to stop if he’s to be a really pivotal player for us.
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Post by baconburger on Apr 24, 2024 13:13:13 GMT
Not sure there should be any doubt he wants to play for us. If he could control his foolishness he's a good player. Only problem is by his own admission he's not good at being a bench warmer and struggles to keep up his fitness and sharpness if he's not playing every week when available. Given Schu's preference for 1 deeplying central midfielder and the fact Burger is better at just about everything than him I can't see him being a regular starter. Thommo seems a much better probably much cheaper understudy, still picks up a lot of cards but not normally for such cockish things. How can he be a good player if he's so unprofessional? OK then a different word capable. I honestly think his antics have been like some sort of parody of his reputation this season. I was utterly done with him after the throwing himself over the hoardings to pick up that ban before Christmas but if he can get a grip of himself I could get behind him again. Really needs to show more self control. As he has been this season I don't think that is a good influence or role model for our young players. Unless Schu's vision changes we have far too many players that should be competing for 1 position as a deeplying centre mid. Laurent is in no way shape or form an advanced midfielder.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Apr 24, 2024 13:13:40 GMT
Is there such a myth,? It's just when he does play, he's a liability and we're a better side without him See the first quote response to my post. Not really sure which one referring to but a reply by someone not really a myth. I think as someone said, SS plays a quicker game and Pearson's lazy lay offs, conceding possession and conceding free kicks with half hearted challenges don't suit it .
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