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Post by bloodtypered on Aug 28, 2023 8:37:05 GMT
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Aug 28, 2023 8:41:24 GMT
Forget last season, the reason he came here was to do what he is doing now, build a new squad that will eventually lead to us getting back into the Premiership
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Post by baconburger on Aug 28, 2023 8:48:06 GMT
Wasn’t keen on his appointment but have been pleasantly surprised. Not by overall results obviously but we’ve had a lot more big wins than I expected. Shame more of them haven’t been at home. There are some aspects of his philosophy I still hate, like his idea of an attacking or most advanced midfielder. I find it nearly as stupid as MON’s don’t need a DM nonsense. All in all I’m ok with him plays the game at a better tempo than MON. I’m optimistic that he’ll find a solution to providing more consistent positive outcomes.
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Post by bloodtypered on Aug 28, 2023 8:49:00 GMT
Forget last season, the reason he came here was to do what he is doing now, build a new squad that will eventually lead to us getting back into the Premiership Yes....its not good when you see fans just ready to jump on the manager etc...they are doing a brilliant job that requires a footballing brain and patience. With ANs CV you have to give him alot of patience John Coates is giving him what he wants |
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Post by coldtuesdaynight on Aug 28, 2023 8:49:54 GMT
I say sack him.
For no other reason than I want to see what combination of nationality and league our new system digs up to replace him.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2023 8:52:59 GMT
Forget last season, the reason he came here was to do what he is doing now, build a new squad that will eventually lead to us getting back into the Premiership Yes....its not good when you see fans just ready to jump on the manager etc...they are doing a brilliant job that requires a footballing brain and patience. With ANs CV you have to give him alot of patience John Coates is giving him what he wants What evidence is there of this brilliant job? I like the manager and he needs time with all the new players but there is no evidence of a brilliant job being done so far. |
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Post by scfcno1fan on Aug 28, 2023 8:53:22 GMT
He’s, hopefully, been given the tools to mount a playoff push now.
Can he do it is another question.
Jury very much out for me. But I bloody hope he does.
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Post by baconburger on Aug 28, 2023 9:01:43 GMT
Yes....its not good when you see fans just ready to jump on the manager etc...they are doing a brilliant job that requires a footballing brain and patience. With ANs CV you have to give him alot of patience John Coates is giving him what he wants What evidence is there of this brilliant job? I like the manager and he needs time with all the new players but there is no evidence of a brilliant job being done so far. Brilliant is really pushing the boat out. Frequency of scoring 4&5 goals is really pleasing and surprising. It’s a start. |
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Post by philb on Aug 28, 2023 9:04:39 GMT
As long as he doesn’t make too many mistakes (like he did with the formation first half Saturday) then I think we’ll be there or thereabouts come May. But if we’re bottom half by January with how much overhaul there’s been with the squad, then he may be on thin ice. Can’t see that myself and think we’ll be around that top six all season once the window closes and things start to settle down.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 28, 2023 9:06:28 GMT
A bit crap
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Post by march4 on Aug 28, 2023 9:07:32 GMT
His leadership talent is there for all to see.
The change in culture he has overseen is remarkable and is a textbook lesson for all aspiring leaders in every type of organisation.
He now needs to fire us up the table (which I’ve always thought he will).
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 28, 2023 9:08:19 GMT
I will judge him once the window has closed and he's able to get all the squad together for a number of games. We have to be patient...........
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Aug 28, 2023 9:12:27 GMT
I will judge him at the end of the season. These players need time to adapt but I'd be very disappointed if we don’t finish in the top half. Next season has to be top 6 as a minimum.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Aug 28, 2023 9:22:13 GMT
1st 12 months (last season) saw us lose a significant number of home games, after circa 46 games in charge supporters witnessed some of the worst football seen for a long time and I think our league position was no better than his predecessor’s who faced the same challenges at the club..
Wind the clock forward. to this season. Complete overhaul behind the scenes and on the pitch. Only 4 games and we are batting average results.
Let’s be positive now and then evaluate performances at both 1st team and academy next May.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Aug 28, 2023 9:26:04 GMT
I'm not sure what this brilliant job is he's doing someone is referring to . Results matter. So far lots of talk and excuses.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Aug 28, 2023 9:40:25 GMT
Massively under achieved for me
But its his team now so will see what develops and judge him in November
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Post by peterthornesboots on Aug 28, 2023 9:44:04 GMT
I was not particularly keen when AN was appointed. However, he needs time and that is exactly what he has been given.
Last season was a shambles. Apart from a four/five week purple patch of form we were incredibly poor. Huddersfield finished on the same points as us and we racked up the worst home record for nearly two decades.
However, I am encouraged by the changes that we have made off the pitch and the exciting new direction that we have in terms of recruitment.
AN has been given everything he wanted this summer (and more). There are no excuses now. He needs to deliver.
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Post by bloodtypered on Aug 28, 2023 9:53:35 GMT
Yes....its not good when you see fans just ready to jump on the manager etc...they are doing a brilliant job that requires a footballing brain and patience. With ANs CV you have to give him alot of patience John Coates is giving him what he wants What evidence is there of this brilliant job? I like the manager and he needs time with all the new players but there is no evidence of a brilliant job being done so far. You can only say up to this point......got rid of players that weren't helping the cause....got rid of personnel behind the scenes and bought in excellent players & people......it was a bit scary when we only had a few players at the beginning of the window.....but i think they have done a brilliant job in resetting the club so far. |
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Post by jokker on Aug 28, 2023 9:53:47 GMT
Massively under achieved for me But its his team now so will see what develops and judge him in November He will want another 5-10 players in the next window which will buy him time beyond your date. It's lame, but it happens all the time. Then in the next window when half the players have shown themselves to be not good enough, he will want another 8-10 players, and Coates will happily fork out. Now in the next window (which is the one after the next one, which was the next one after the previous one), he will be sacked. Another manager comes in, who will get rid of as many Neil's players as possible, and it starts all over again. Meanwhile Stoke will finish midtable every season, so there's nothing really wrong. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2023 9:56:29 GMT
Massively under achieved for me But its his team now so will see what develops and judge him in November He will want another 5-10 players in the next window which will buy him time beyond your date. It's lame, but it happens all the time. Then in the next window when half the players have shown themselves to be not good enough, he will want another 8-10 players, and Coates will happily fork out. Now in the next window (which is the one after the next one, which was the next one after the previous one), he will be sacked. Another manager comes in, who will get rid of as many Neil's players as possible, and it starts all over again. Meanwhile Stoke will finish midtable every season, so there's nothing really wrong. What a great attitude to have. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2023 9:57:22 GMT
What evidence is there of this brilliant job? I like the manager and he needs time with all the new players but there is no evidence of a brilliant job being done so far. You can only say up to this point......got rid of players that weren't helping the cause....got rid of personnel behind the scenes and bought in excellent players & people......it was a bit scary when we only had a few players at the beginning of the window.....but i think they have done a brilliant job in resetting the club so far. He needs to start using these players properly and stop the 5 at the back nonsense. |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Aug 28, 2023 10:03:42 GMT
I make it 44 league games in charge
20 defeats
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Post by moon on Aug 28, 2023 10:08:38 GMT
I remain optimistic about AN, my only concern is that we need a few more defenders in before the window closes as we don’t have strength in depth, an injury and a suspension and we’re back to a makeshift defence.
I think he is the right man for the job, sort the defence out and I think we’ll finish top 6 this season. If these players gel we will have one hell of a team.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Aug 28, 2023 10:16:20 GMT
I remain optimistic about AN, my only concern is that we need a few more defenders in before the window closes as we don’t have strength in depth, an injury and a suspension and we’re back to a makeshift defence. I think he is the right man for the job, sort the defence out and I think we’ll finish top 6 this season. If these players gel we will have one hell of a team. His job is to make the team gel. The defence is quite an important part of the team and he's had a year to do that. We have no chance of top 6 as long as he can't even set his team up away from home. Talking about what he's going to do, how unlucky we were, going to the pub to mingle with fans doesn't win games. |
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Aug 28, 2023 10:17:35 GMT
It's been awful, but he's got to have this season, if we look like we're going in the right direction we all know he's in no danger.
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Post by apb1 on Aug 28, 2023 10:25:38 GMT
I’d say 2 out 5 of this far. Good managers can get better results than he managed last season, even with that squad. But I want him to stay and show his mettle with this new squad.
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Post by iglugluk on Aug 28, 2023 10:27:21 GMT
He wouldn't have kept his job at the end of last season at the majority of clubs given his poor showing.. but Stoke are considerably more patient with their managers.
He was clearly brought here to do the job he's been doing i.e. a 'hard reset' on the club and the team at all levels ( which majorly factors into the above fact ).
I have to say the squad that is being assembled seems exciting and represents a complete change in philosophy for what has been a club mainly focused on domestic players.. Jared Dublin seems to have been a key appointment in that fact.
I would be interested to know if the decision to change the rules regarding foreign players also had a major impact on our strategy and I suspect it did.
He cannot now hide behind the 'someone else's team' excuse if things go wrong, although he could well need time to gel all the new players together into a reliably performing team, so a degree of patience will be needed still.
Given what has happened over the summer, I for one am excited by the change in direction and sincerely hope it comes off.
Allowing one manager to essentially make all the Club's strategic planning decisions is obviously a risk if that manager fails to implement his vision effectively but hey, that's what has happened so we will have to see where it leads.
I'm interested to see how it all pans out.
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Post by independent on Aug 28, 2023 10:30:17 GMT
We have 6 points from 4 games with players who hardly know each other. Repeat that all season and we would finish with 69 points. Surely as the team gels we should do even better, so who knows what is possible? I have repeatedly said that Dec. is the time to judge him and I still think that's true.
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Post by pavel on Aug 28, 2023 10:42:48 GMT
I think the jury's out on many aspects of his management, team selection, tactics, formation and the simple matter of winning games and league position. He has been part of a huge reset at the club and has managed his part well. Now is the time to see what sort of a coach/manager he is, no hiding and no excuses now, he has all the tools he needs to make Stoke City successful this season. He did an average to poor job with the players he inherited, now it's time for him to step up and I hope he does.
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Post by cvillestokie on Aug 28, 2023 10:47:58 GMT
Recruitment this season has been fun but the football has been awful far more times than it has been good in his first 12 months. Not sure how much credit he can take for recruitment given that it’s not his job. The same issues came up versus Millwall and Ipswich as much of last year.
He’s not going anywhere, so there’s not much else to do other than get behind the team.
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