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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Aug 28, 2023 19:55:12 GMT
Poor so far. Seems to fit the clubs philosophy perfectly and agree the only way of improving things is spending as much as physically possible. This season will ultimately tell and he deserves the season to show us what he can do. We've not spent much at all. We've been very creative, scanning the footballing planet for bargain basement signings
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Post by gawa on Aug 28, 2023 20:07:40 GMT
Poor so far. Seems to fit the clubs philosophy perfectly and agree the only way of improving things is spending as much as physically possible. This season will ultimately tell and he deserves the season to show us what he can do. We've not spent much at all. We've been very creative, scanning the footballing planet for bargain basement signings It's all relative though. The only other 4 teams to spend over 10 million euro each generated 170 million, 90 million, 40 million and 30 million euros in sales this window. He has very much been backed heavily compared to any other manager in the championship.
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Post by xchpotter on Aug 28, 2023 20:50:31 GMT
Big season this year where no significant improvement sees him under pressure. Still feel more confident with Neil in charge than I did with MON, Jones or Rowett.
He will get this right.
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Post by logdog on Aug 28, 2023 21:49:20 GMT
We've not spent much at all. We've been very creative, scanning the footballing planet for bargain basement signings It's all relative though. The only other 4 teams to spend over 10 million euro each generated 170 million, 90 million, 40 million and 30 million euros in sales this window. He has very much been backed heavily compared to any other manager in the championship. He has generated the money he is spending. Souttar, Bursik &’Brown…
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Post by baconburger on Aug 28, 2023 21:54:51 GMT
It's all relative though. The only other 4 teams to spend over 10 million euro each generated 170 million, 90 million, 40 million and 30 million euros in sales this window. He has very much been backed heavily compared to any other manager in the championship. He has generated the money he is spending. Souttar, Bursik &’Brown… Exactly if he has a net spend at all it’s a pretty small one as yet. Hopefully the poster knows something about that changing later on this week.
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Post by logdog on Aug 28, 2023 22:13:39 GMT
He has generated the money he is spending. Souttar, Bursik &’Brown… Exactly if he has a net spend at all it’s a pretty small one as yet. Hopefully the poster knows something about that changing later on this week. Hopefully. Could just as easily be players on the way out for decent money though. No way we are the biggest net spenders in this division. He’s already made his mind up about AN. That’s fair enough but he should stick to facts.
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 28, 2023 22:17:01 GMT
It's been a slow burn first 12 months, but now the fuse is really lit and we will see what Neil can produce.
He is only just 42 and has achieved promotion three times with Hamilton Accs, , Norwich to the Prem., and Sunderland. That takes some beating.
All our managers since Hughes have been left with the problem players of the previous manager, only Rowett had the chance to rebuild and he blew £50m on who?
I have sympathy with the subsequent managers, they inherited poor players and did not have the money to get rid and go and get quality needed, but they were given more than enough time to make a significant improvement and failed. In fact had they not been replaced we would be down with the Vale now. There is a long list of former Prem clubs that have dropped to the third tier.
It's going to take time to create a team with a bunch of new players and we have to be patient. Neil has shown he can do it. He needs our support not back-biting.
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Post by conroyfan on Aug 29, 2023 10:48:43 GMT
Overall I'd give him 7/10,the worst aspect was last years home form which was pretty dire, but I put that down to too may brittle players lacking the required leadership and fight. Nobody can say this window hasn't been exciting and even after only 2 league games we look far more capable at home. Matches on the road will certainly be trying as all the new players adjust to the toughness of this league. He has assembled an exciting looking squad for championship level, I just hope they have the character and steel to garner points on our travels, we've had our fill of so called talented players whose application and attitude let them, and us, down.
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 29, 2023 10:57:48 GMT
It's been a slow burn first 12 months, but now the fuse is really lit and we will see what Neil can produce. He is only just 42 and has achieved promotion three times with Hamilton Accs, , Norwich to the Prem., and Sunderland. That takes some beating. All our managers since Hughes have been left with the problem players of the previous manager, only Rowett had the chance to rebuild and he blew £50m on who? I have sympathy with the subsequent managers, they inherited poor players and did not have the money to get rid and go and get quality needed, but they were given more than enough time to make a significant improvement and failed. In fact had they not been replaced we would be down with the Vale now. There is a long list of former Prem clubs that have dropped to the third tier. It's going to take time to create a team with a bunch of new players and we have to be patient. Neil has shown he can do it. He needs our support not back-biting. He's never built a promotion winning side in England. Both times with a team already there and never automatic. Norwich came straight back down, due to disastrous recruiting. He was sacked. At Preston he had no success in 3 and a half years. His track record is average. He's been backed for the first time in his career, needs to deliver. No excuses.
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Post by skip on Aug 29, 2023 11:25:20 GMT
It's been a slow burn first 12 months, but now the fuse is really lit and we will see what Neil can produce. He is only just 42 and has achieved promotion three times with Hamilton Accs, , Norwich to the Prem., and Sunderland. That takes some beating. All our managers since Hughes have been left with the problem players of the previous manager, only Rowett had the chance to rebuild and he blew £50m on who? I have sympathy with the subsequent managers, they inherited poor players and did not have the money to get rid and go and get quality needed, but they were given more than enough time to make a significant improvement and failed. In fact had they not been replaced we would be down with the Vale now. There is a long list of former Prem clubs that have dropped to the third tier. It's going to take time to create a team with a bunch of new players and we have to be patient. Neil has shown he can do it. He needs our support not back-biting. He's never built a promotion winning side in England. Both times with a team already there and never automatic. Norwich came straight back down, due to disastrous recruiting. He was sacked. At Preston he had no success in 3 and a half years. His track record is average. He's been backed for the first time in his career, needs to deliver. No excuses.What do you think he should deliver and by when? Automatic promotion? Play offs? Top eight? None of us know whether he has been instructed to bring about promotion this year or next. He may well have agreed to a project with a timeline of three years for all we know. I'm not letting him off the hook - this is a massive opportunity for Alex Neil himself as well as us - but we don't know what aims he has been set and the timeline to do so.
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 29, 2023 11:31:04 GMT
He's never built a promotion winning side in England. Both times with a team already there and never automatic. Norwich came straight back down, due to disastrous recruiting. He was sacked. At Preston he had no success in 3 and a half years. His track record is average. He's been backed for the first time in his career, needs to deliver. No excuses.What do you think he should deliver and by when? Automatic promotion? Play offs? Top eight? None of us know whether he has been instructed to bring about promotion this year or next. He may well have agreed to a project with a timeline of three years for all we know. I'm not letting him off the hook - this is a massive opportunity for Alex Neil himself as well as us - but we don't know what aims he has been set and the timeline to do so. This season being in the promotion mix. Top 2 probably unrealistic, challenge for the playoffs is not unreasonable. If we can get into them then he's done a good job, anything less would be disappointing. I'm pretty sure the owners and the manager see us challenging for promotion this season. They should given the backing he has had.
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Post by apb1 on Aug 29, 2023 11:49:46 GMT
If we're not still in with a shout for playoffs by April I will be very disappointed.
I like Neil and want him to succeed (of course), but he needs to start delivering on the pitch this season, and that's not just finishing 12th or whatever. Last season was wank apart from about 6 games.
The only thing is you can't legislate for injuries to key players. We were in the playoff places under MON for a couple of years till injuries to Campbell and Souttar messed things up. Not that it cost us promotion but we'd definitely have been better off if they'd carried on playing for the remainder of those seasons.
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Post by thisisouryear on Aug 29, 2023 11:52:55 GMT
I would replace him with Potter if there was half a chance.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Aug 29, 2023 12:12:10 GMT
I would replace him with Potter if there was half a chance. Hell yes Bottom line is with Neil, a year in charge, players, excuses aside , he's lost 46% of his league games. Not failed to win, lost. Terrible stat however you dress it up
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Post by mickstupp on Aug 29, 2023 12:16:01 GMT
He’s not been good enough by any measure. For someone who talks such a good game, tactically I’ve been disappointed with him. He’s not done anything mid game to alter anything that I can think of.
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Post by clarkeda on Aug 29, 2023 12:29:59 GMT
Do you go around pulling the wings off butterflies as a hobby? Nope… For what it’s worth I quite like Neil. If he ends up being the one in a ten managers who keeps his job for a more than 2 years and delivers success I’ll be more than happy. I have to admit I am quite interested in how the new system handles managers though. I hope Neill is the last manager we’ll appoint using the sole justification ‘Well, he’s done something reasonable in British football in living memory’. I want a De Zerbi clone to turn up. There, I’ve said it 😂 Do you reckon the system is geared up for coaches and management or just players? I’d imagine it’s purely player focused at the minute due to the timing of Jared’s arrival. Not sure if it’ll cover Manager in a later iteration mind.
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Post by clarkeda on Aug 29, 2023 12:31:56 GMT
Shit last season. Backed heavily this window with the highest net spend in the division. Decent start but needs to deliver now and be challenging for playoffs. There’s no way we’ve got the biggest net spend in the division.
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Post by clarkeda on Aug 29, 2023 12:33:50 GMT
I would replace him with Potter if there was half a chance. April fools day is 6 months away.
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Post by Block 26 on Aug 29, 2023 12:35:00 GMT
Considering the players he had at his disposal last season it was already a write off for me.
This season we look a really good side at home & currently have a 100% record on home turf. Away form is a little worrying & the starting line up against Millwall but, it’s a new squad of players & im sure that they will click given time.
I think AN will have us top half of the table this season.
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 29, 2023 13:05:03 GMT
It's been a slow burn first 12 months, but now the fuse is really lit and we will see what Neil can produce. He is only just 42 and has achieved promotion three times with Hamilton Accs, , Norwich to the Prem., and Sunderland. That takes some beating. All our managers since Hughes have been left with the problem players of the previous manager, only Rowett had the chance to rebuild and he blew £50m on who? I have sympathy with the subsequent managers, they inherited poor players and did not have the money to get rid and go and get quality needed, but they were given more than enough time to make a significant improvement and failed. In fact had they not been replaced we would be down with the Vale now. There is a long list of former Prem clubs that have dropped to the third tier. It's going to take time to create a team with a bunch of new players and we have to be patient. Neil has shown he can do it. He needs our support not back-biting. He's never built a promotion winning side in England. Both times with a team already there and never automatic. Norwich came straight back down, due to disastrous recruiting. He was sacked. At Preston he had no success in 3 and a half years. His track record is average. He's been backed for the first time in his career, needs to deliver. No excuses. Your comments remind me of Dave Mackay's comment in 1975 when he had just managed Derby to their Championship. He was asked how much credit for the success was due to Clough and Taylor whose team he inherited. In his usual bluff manner Mackay said "None". When asked why he should get all the credit he said if they had failed or been relegated he have got all the blame. But they were champions under his management and he had earned the credit. I think he as right, it is very difficult to step into someone else's shoes. Everyone is expecting you to fail, making negative comparisons, and hesitant about giving their full commitment.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Aug 29, 2023 13:10:07 GMT
He’s not been good enough by any measure. For someone who talks such a good game, tactically I’ve been disappointed with him. He’s not done anything mid game to alter anything that I can think of. Clive Clarke picked up on that aand he was right. 22 defeats in a calendar year is bloody awful Less talking, going to the pub to appease fans etc . Do your job on the pitch
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Post by thevoid on Aug 29, 2023 13:10:38 GMT
I would replace him with Potter if there was half a chance. No chance now, should have gone for him when there was
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 29, 2023 13:18:45 GMT
He's never built a promotion winning side in England. Both times with a team already there and never automatic. Norwich came straight back down, due to disastrous recruiting. He was sacked. At Preston he had no success in 3 and a half years. His track record is average. He's been backed for the first time in his career, needs to deliver. No excuses. Your comments remind me of Dave Mackay's comment in 1975 when he had just managed Derby to their Championship. He was asked how much credit for the success was due to Clough and Taylor whose team he inherited. In his usual bluff manner Mackay said "None". When asked why he should get all the credit he said if they had failed or been relegated he have got all the blame. But they were champions under his management and he had earned the credit. I think he as right, it is very difficult to step into someone else's shoes. Everyone is expecting you to fail, making negative comparisons, and hesitant about giving their full commitment. Tell that to the Mark Hughes detractors... You're right, he deserves credit for achieving that success. My point was he's never done anything in England before like he needs to do at Stoke City i.e build a team for success.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Aug 29, 2023 13:33:58 GMT
It's been a slow burn first 12 months, but now the fuse is really lit and we will see what Neil can produce. He is only just 42 and has achieved promotion three times with Hamilton Accs, , Norwich to the Prem., and Sunderland. That takes some beating. All our managers since Hughes have been left with the problem players of the previous manager, only Rowett had the chance to rebuild and he blew £50m on who? I have sympathy with the subsequent managers, they inherited poor players and did not have the money to get rid and go and get quality needed, but they were given more than enough time to make a significant improvement and failed. In fact had they not been replaced we would be down with the Vale now. There is a long list of former Prem clubs that have dropped to the third tier. It's going to take time to create a team with a bunch of new players and we have to be patient. Neil has shown he can do it. He needs our support not back-biting. He's never built a promotion winning side in England. Both times with a team already there and never automatic. Norwich came straight back down, due to disastrous recruiting. He was sacked. At Preston he had no success in 3 and a half years. His track record is average. He's been backed for the first time in his career, needs to deliver. No excuses. Norwich kept a good chunk of their Prem squad also and were easily the best squad in the Championship. Of course promotion is hard at any level but you're 100% right, he's never built a side . Too many are basing things on what they hope will happen. I think he'll do well to get us top half
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2023 13:37:41 GMT
Talks a good game.
But results are everything.
I am sure , he is changed things , that have needed changing for a long time.
But results are everything
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Post by coldtuesdaynight on Aug 29, 2023 13:39:35 GMT
Nope… For what it’s worth I quite like Neil. If he ends up being the one in a ten managers who keeps his job for a more than 2 years and delivers success I’ll be more than happy. I have to admit I am quite interested in how the new system handles managers though. I hope Neill is the last manager we’ll appoint using the sole justification ‘Well, he’s done something reasonable in British football in living memory’. I want a De Zerbi clone to turn up. There, I’ve said it 😂 Do you reckon the system is geared up for coaches and management or just players? I’d imagine it’s purely player focused at the minute due to the timing of Jared’s arrival. Not sure if it’ll cover Manager in a later iteration mind. Given how long anything takes to set up tech wise, it’d be miraculous if it was really set up for players yet. The players being signed will surely be players he’s identified while at Reading. I don’t want to get carried away, but I am looking forward to future summers when he’s had bet365 money providing him tech and programmers. I’d certainly expect once he has his systems up and running identifying managers would be part of it. It certainly seems to be a thing with other clubs who’ve bought into data driven methods. I guess it’s all the same, you’re just trying to spot someone who other clubs at your level have overlooked.
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 29, 2023 13:44:32 GMT
He's never built a promotion winning side in England. Both times with a team already there and never automatic. Norwich came straight back down, due to disastrous recruiting. He was sacked. At Preston he had no success in 3 and a half years. His track record is average. He's been backed for the first time in his career, needs to deliver. No excuses. Norwich kept a good chunk of their Prem squad also and were easily the best squad in the Championship. Of course promotion is hard at any level but you're 100% right, he's never built a side . Too many are basing things on what they hope will happen. I think he'll do well to get us top half I think the club has done well to get the number of players through the door and some look really exciting, Vidigal, Burger, this Korean lad. There are far more reasons to be optimistic for the season ahead than not. Up to the manager, who has played a large role in recruitment, to get results.
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Post by gawa on Aug 29, 2023 14:02:55 GMT
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Post by thisisouryear on Aug 29, 2023 14:02:56 GMT
I would replace him with Potter if there was half a chance. No chance now, should have gone for him when there was Yes we should but we ain't exactly skint are we. I believe if there was a team that could tempt him outside of the prem then we would be right up there.
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Post by baconburger on Aug 29, 2023 14:08:27 GMT
It says we ain’t even spent the Souttar money yet never mind dipped into what we got for Brown, plus I don’t think we’d have let Brown go for just over £3M even though I thought he was awful personally.
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