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Wesley
Sept 28, 2023 7:29:27 GMT
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Post by st3mark on Sept 28, 2023 7:29:27 GMT
I thought he scored in the cup game against West Brom? If not, then he won’t score at all. He’s crap. Although he did well for that goal. It was an o.g
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Wesley
Sept 28, 2023 7:59:40 GMT
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Post by matelot1996 on Sept 28, 2023 7:59:40 GMT
I don’t profess to be a footballing coach but anyone who loves football can see, the way he is being used is borderline moronic. He’s being used the way a player of his ilk would be played at most other clubs in the country. There’s just so little to his game that it’s not working and not going to work. He can’t run, can’t jump, isn’t any use as a battering ram as he doesn’t do anything with any momentum. The only thing he’s remotely competent at is a static test of strength pinning a defender. He’s just a big strong lump with appalling movement and agility. Maybe there was more to him pre injury but that’s not going to do us any good. I agree. That’s why you can’t play a player of his limited ability without another striker close buy to feed of his hold up play. He is completely isolated. Total waste of a shirt at the moment.
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Wesley
Sept 28, 2023 8:00:47 GMT
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Post by wearepremierleague on Sept 28, 2023 8:00:47 GMT
He’s our only fit striker but I don’t see how we can play him. I wouldn’t bank on him scoring a single goal all season and he’s pretty useless at everything else too. I’d try Jun ho in a false 9 for a game.
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Wesley
Sept 28, 2023 8:05:15 GMT
Post by FullerMagic on Sept 28, 2023 8:05:15 GMT
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Wesley
Sept 28, 2023 8:10:46 GMT
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Post by brutus on Sept 28, 2023 8:10:46 GMT
Travers Hoever Wilmot Mcnallly Gooch Pearson laurent (🥲) Junho Haksab. Gayle (🥲) Vidigal This has to be the team for saturday in my opinion
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Wesley
Sept 28, 2023 8:16:46 GMT
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Post by Championship Potter on Sept 28, 2023 8:16:46 GMT
I think unfortunately we are seeing why he hadn’t played a minute of English football since his big knee injury at Villa. I think the “get bodies around him” argument only has legs if there are some attributes to his game to take advantage of that justify building a team around him. Aside from some nice hold up play (on the floor) he really doesn’t do much else as far as I can see? He’s barely had a shot or looked remotely close to getting on the end of anything. I don’t think Gayle offers much either, but at least he combines some reasonable footballing ability with the ability to finish - admittedly his ability to get in the positions to do this appear to be drastically reduced now his legs have gone, but you’d at least back him to score if something drops him around the box.
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Post by wearepremierleague on Sept 28, 2023 8:21:17 GMT
I think unfortunately we are seeing why he hadn’t played a minute of English football since his big knee injury at Villa. I think the “get bodies around him” argument only has legs if there are some attributes to his game to take advantage of that justify building a team around him. Aside from some nice hold up play (on the floor) he really doesn’t do much else as far as I can see? He’s barely had a shot or looked remotely close to getting on the end of anything. I don’t think Gayle offers much either, but at least he combines some reasonable footballing ability with the ability to finish - admittedly his ability to get in the positions to do this appear to be drastically reduced now his legs have gone, but you’d at least back him to score if something drops him around the box. I most definitely would not back Gayle to score if something drops to him. Blokes allergic to scoring.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 28, 2023 9:06:43 GMT
I think unfortunately we are seeing why he hadn’t played a minute of English football since his big knee injury at Villa. I think the “get bodies around him” argument only has legs if there are some attributes to his game to take advantage of that justify building a team around him. Aside from some nice hold up play (on the floor) he really doesn’t do much else as far as I can see? He’s barely had a shot or looked remotely close to getting on the end of anything. I don’t think Gayle offers much either, but at least he combines some reasonable footballing ability with the ability to finish - admittedly his ability to get in the positions to do this appear to be drastically reduced now his legs have gone, but you’d at least back him to score if something drops him around the box. So the get bodies around him would work fine if he has nice hold up play. We need to play to our players strengths and if it's hold up play on the floor we should be aiming to get it to his feet.
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Wesley
Sept 28, 2023 9:13:04 GMT
Post by stokie223 on Sept 28, 2023 9:13:04 GMT
I think unfortunately we are seeing why he hadn’t played a minute of English football since his big knee injury at Villa. I think the “get bodies around him” argument only has legs if there are some attributes to his game to take advantage of that justify building a team around him. Aside from some nice hold up play (on the floor) he really doesn’t do much else as far as I can see? He’s barely had a shot or looked remotely close to getting on the end of anything. I don’t think Gayle offers much either, but at least he combines some reasonable footballing ability with the ability to finish - admittedly his ability to get in the positions to do this appear to be drastically reduced now his legs have gone, but you’d at least back him to score if something drops him around the box. I most definitely would not back Gayle to score if something drops to him. Blokes allergic to scoring. Pretty much bang on 1-in-2 in the Championship. 1-in-3 across his career for league goals, most of which was in the top flight. For context, Wesley is roughly 1-in-5 in his career. Whether Gayle's best years are behind him, or his legs aren't what they were, is another argument but you don't just magically lose the ability to score goals. Difficult to imagine that he couldn't contribute more to this team than Wesley has. Very poor player in my opinion.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Sept 28, 2023 9:17:24 GMT
I most definitely would not back Gayle to score if something drops to him. Blokes allergic to scoring. Pretty much bang on 1-in-2 in the Championship. 1-in-3 across his career for league goals, most of which was in the top flight. For context, Wesley is roughly 1-in-5 in his career. Whether Gayle's best years are behind him, or his legs aren't what they were, is another argument but you don't just magically lose the ability to score goals. Difficult to imagine that he couldn't contribute more to this team than Wesley has. Very poor player in my opinion. It’s not another argument, it is the central point. Gayle has not shown any sign of being a threat and has missed a huge number of easy chances. Play to Wesley’s feet like we did second half on Sunday and Vidigal and others can play off him.
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Wesley
Sept 28, 2023 9:26:45 GMT
Post by stokie223 on Sept 28, 2023 9:26:45 GMT
Pretty much bang on 1-in-2 in the Championship. 1-in-3 across his career for league goals, most of which was in the top flight. For context, Wesley is roughly 1-in-5 in his career. Whether Gayle's best years are behind him, or his legs aren't what they were, is another argument but you don't just magically lose the ability to score goals. Difficult to imagine that he couldn't contribute more to this team than Wesley has. Very poor player in my opinion. It’s not another argument, it is the central point. Gayle has not shown any sign of being a threat and has missed a huge number of easy chances. Play to Wesley’s feet like we did second half on Sunday and Vidigal and others can play off him. Right type of player, I agree. We need someone that can hold the ball up and create space for attacking midfielders/wingers to run into. From what I've seen so far, however, I think he's a cart horse. I don't seem one redeeming quality which would allow me to pick him in my starting 11. I'd seen some fans suggest that some of his performances have been 'brilliant'. I find that incredibly odd. For someone with his size he should be much more effective at utilising it. I also don't think you can afford to have your only striker as one that just doesn't score goals. Completely counter-intuitive.
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Wesley
Sept 28, 2023 9:30:05 GMT
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Post by xchpotter on Sept 28, 2023 9:30:05 GMT
Said on another thread, saw Lowe in person last night and in a few minutes offered far more and is mobile. Things aren't great and Lowe isn't the magic arrow, but give the lad a chance as he will be far better than Wes right now.
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Wesley
Sept 28, 2023 10:01:24 GMT
Post by pez75 on Sept 28, 2023 10:01:24 GMT
In Gayle's defence he did put one on a plate last night for Haks but instead of putting his foot through it, he took a shit touch...
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Wesley
Sept 28, 2023 10:05:01 GMT
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Post by gingerninja on Sept 28, 2023 10:05:01 GMT
I agree, if Lowe is a confident lad and can cope with coming into a team short on confidence and form, has to offer more than Wesley, who has been utterly underwhelming...
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Post by Gods on Sept 28, 2023 10:08:46 GMT
I think unfortunately we are seeing why he hadn’t played a minute of English football since his big knee injury at Villa. I think the “get bodies around him” argument only has legs if there are some attributes to his game to take advantage of that justify building a team around him. Aside from some nice hold up play (on the floor) he really doesn’t do much else as far as I can see? He’s barely had a shot or looked remotely close to getting on the end of anything. I don’t think Gayle offers much either, but at least he combines some reasonable footballing ability with the ability to finish - admittedly his ability to get in the positions to do this appear to be drastically reduced now his legs have gone, but you’d at least back him to score if something drops him around the box. I think Gayle has 1 goal in the last two and a half years. We seem to do our own special line in 'strikers' who never score!
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 28, 2023 10:11:42 GMT
Feel a bit sorry for Wesley sticking him up front on his own, totally isolated. Showed glimpses on Sunday when actually got a bit of service
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Wesley
Sept 28, 2023 10:37:25 GMT
Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 28, 2023 10:37:25 GMT
Wesley,we could have got a traffic cone to do the same job,plus we wouldn't have to pay it.
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Post by Championship Potter on Sept 28, 2023 10:52:36 GMT
I think unfortunately we are seeing why he hadn’t played a minute of English football since his big knee injury at Villa. I think the “get bodies around him” argument only has legs if there are some attributes to his game to take advantage of that justify building a team around him. Aside from some nice hold up play (on the floor) he really doesn’t do much else as far as I can see? He’s barely had a shot or looked remotely close to getting on the end of anything. I don’t think Gayle offers much either, but at least he combines some reasonable footballing ability with the ability to finish - admittedly his ability to get in the positions to do this appear to be drastically reduced now his legs have gone, but you’d at least back him to score if something drops him around the box. So the get bodies around him would work fine if he has nice hold up play. We need to play to our players strengths and if it's hold up play on the floor we should be aiming to get it to his feet. We certainly should, but a 6 ft 4 target man that can’t run, jump or score is still pretty limiting to our play? If we’d signed Keenan Davis at the very least he’d be able to make some runs and win the odd header.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 28, 2023 11:30:48 GMT
So the get bodies around him would work fine if he has nice hold up play. We need to play to our players strengths and if it's hold up play on the floor we should be aiming to get it to his feet. We certainly should, but a 6 ft 4 target man that can’t run, jump or score is still pretty limiting to our play? If we’d signed Keenan Davis at the very least he’d be able to make some runs and win the odd header. Crouch managed it 😂 But in all seriousness he can hold the ball up so play around that until some gets back to fitness , take the goal scoring off him and get the wide players playing more adventurous going forward.
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Wesley
Sept 28, 2023 11:53:48 GMT
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 28, 2023 11:53:48 GMT
Wesley,we could have got a traffic cone to do the same job,plus we wouldn't have to pay it. Neil would sub it after 20 minutes for a bollard
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Post by willieeetmiout on Sept 28, 2023 12:44:04 GMT
I most definitely would not back Gayle to score if something drops to him. Blokes allergic to scoring. Pretty much bang on 1-in-2 in the Championship. 1-in-3 across his career for league goals, most of which was in the top flight. For context, Wesley is roughly 1-in-5 in his career. Whether Gayle's best years are behind him, or his legs aren't what they were, is another argument but you don't just magically lose the ability to score goals. Difficult to imagine that he couldn't contribute more to this team than Wesley has. Very poor player in my opinion. On his current/recent stats though if you chucked Gayle into a barrel of tits hed come out sucking his thumb
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Post by stokesupporter on Sept 28, 2023 13:42:22 GMT
I'd like to know what would happen if we'd regularly start with Gayle and get him in to full match fitness.
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Wesley
Sept 28, 2023 13:48:00 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2023 13:48:00 GMT
He is like Arnautovic , in that he is a massive bloke, with little interest in attacking the ball in the air .
Unlike Arnie, he doesn't combine the skill and muscle, to go past his man and finish.
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Wesley
Sept 28, 2023 13:52:27 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2023 13:52:27 GMT
Let's be honest, he's only played for ten minutes, but Nathan lowe looked more likely to do some damage.
As an option off the bench, I would prefer Nathan to come on .
Granted, I suspect Nathan is too young to start 40 championship games a season and would most likely pick up an injury if we tried that idea.
But if Lowe and Wes were both sat on the bench, I would prefer AN to sub Nathan on .
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Wesley
Sept 28, 2023 13:54:04 GMT
Post by nottsover60 on Sept 28, 2023 13:54:04 GMT
I have only watched the highlights once very quickly but I thought it seemed as if Wesley had a few good moments. There was a lovely lay off at the end of the first half which Rose should have buried. He's not a goalscorer but a respectable target man. And let's be honest one of our problems in the Premier was that Crouch wasn't a goal scorer but had better players like Arnautovic, Shaqiri and Walters around him. Wesley looks bad because of the mediocrity around him.
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Wesley
Sept 28, 2023 14:08:32 GMT
Post by 01782 on Sept 28, 2023 14:08:32 GMT
....And let's be honest one of our problems in the Premier was that Crouch wasn't a goal scorer but had better players like Arnautovic, Shaqiri and Walters around him. Wesley looks bad because of the mediocrity around him. Crouch was no slouch in front of goal. He scored 62 in 261 games for us. Better than all the others you mention. Walters got 62 in 271 Arnie got 26 in 145 Shaq got 15 in 92 We need to go back to the Sheron (39 in 76), Stein (68 in 123) and Biggins (63 in 181) times to find a better striker than Crouch. How we would like any of them in front of goal for us these days...
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Wesley
Sept 28, 2023 14:23:06 GMT
Post by PotterLog on Sept 28, 2023 14:23:06 GMT
I most definitely would not back Gayle to score if something drops to him. Blokes allergic to scoring. Pretty much bang on 1-in-2 in the Championship. 1-in-3 across his career for league goals, most of which was in the top flight. For context, Wesley is roughly 1-in-5 in his career. Whether Gayle's best years are behind him, or his legs aren't what they were, is another argument but you don't just magically lose the ability to score goals. Difficult to imagine that he couldn't contribute more to this team than Wesley has. Very poor player in my opinion. Of course you lose the ability to score goals. He used to be a 1-in-2 goalscorer, and now he's not. Because he's old and slow. There's nothing magical about it.
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Wesley
Sept 28, 2023 14:52:06 GMT
Post by stokie223 on Sept 28, 2023 14:52:06 GMT
Pretty much bang on 1-in-2 in the Championship. 1-in-3 across his career for league goals, most of which was in the top flight. For context, Wesley is roughly 1-in-5 in his career. Whether Gayle's best years are behind him, or his legs aren't what they were, is another argument but you don't just magically lose the ability to score goals. Difficult to imagine that he couldn't contribute more to this team than Wesley has. Very poor player in my opinion. On his current/recent stats though if you chucked Gayle into a barrel of tits hed come out sucking his thumb LOL Can't argue too much with that, just wouldn't be against giving him a run at times instead of Wes. Whatever it is that Wes is selling, I'm not buying.
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Wesley
Sept 28, 2023 15:03:37 GMT
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 28, 2023 15:03:37 GMT
Neil moaned last season that we didn't have a target man. Now we have one he leaves him isolated and starves him of the ball
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Wesley
Sept 29, 2023 8:27:46 GMT
Post by chumley on Sept 29, 2023 8:27:46 GMT
My mates a season ticket holder at Villa, he said do not expect Wesley to score with his head, cause he is uselss in the air, but he was quick and better with his feet.
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