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Post by foxysgloves on Jul 27, 2023 12:56:49 GMT
While I rate the manager, it’s going to take Guardiola like genius to integrate this amount of players and nationalities and make us genuinely competitive this season.
That said, if the fans get on board, and we get a solid mid table finish with clear signs of a new identity and evolution, then I think promotion could become a real possibility in a season or two’s time.
Or am I being too negative?
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Post by hooftastic on Jul 27, 2023 12:58:14 GMT
Kompany had twice as many new players to integrate last season and they did pretty well.
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Post by chamberlain on Jul 27, 2023 12:59:10 GMT
Apologies for butchering The Specials and maybe putting a downer on all the new signings buzz. But. While I rate the manager, it’s going to take Guardiola like genius to integrate this amount of players and nationalities and make us genuinely competitive this season. That said, if the fans get on board, and we get a solid mid table finish with clear signs of a new identity and evolution, then I think promotion could become a real possibility in a season or two’s time. Or am I being too negative? I dont see we had much choice |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 27, 2023 12:59:57 GMT
Top 10 finish with some fast, energetic football would do for me but it's the Championship, literally any position from 1-24 is possible. Plenty of teams have signed essentially the majority of a new XI and ended up in the top six. Not to say it'll happen with us, but it might, or it might go horribly wrong. The not knowing is part of the excitement for me, it's nice to have a feeling of being a wild card and not knowing what to expect.
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Post by stokest5 on Jul 27, 2023 13:00:24 GMT
Apologies for butchering The Specials and maybe putting a downer on all the new signings buzz. But. While I rate the manager, it’s going to take Guardiola like genius to integrate this amount of players and nationalities and make us genuinely competitive this season. That said, if the fans get on board, and we get a solid mid table finish with clear signs of a new identity and evolution, then I think promotion could become a real possibility in a season or two’s time. Or am I being too negative? Too much too soon? We hardly had a first 11 never mind a strong squad! |
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Post by theonlooker on Jul 27, 2023 13:00:55 GMT
Too negative? No not at all but the wrong way of looking at it IMO. It's a sensible and pragmatic approach to take. You are right in what you are saying.
I don't speak for anyone here other than myself but i'd guess that a fair few percentage of fans would take top 10 and a better standard of football and see that as good and fair progress, ready to add a bit more next summer and have a serious bash at it the season after.
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 27, 2023 13:00:59 GMT
Apologies for butchering The Specials and maybe putting a downer on all the new signings buzz. But. While I rate the manager, it’s going to take Guardiola like genius to integrate this amount of players and nationalities and make us genuinely competitive this season. That said, if the fans get on board, and we get a solid mid table finish with clear signs of a new identity and evolution, then I think promotion could become a real possibility in a season or two’s time. Or am I being too negative? 1. We needed all these new footballers, we didn't have enough. 2. Neil has been brought in on triple his money and has been backed to the hilt (including bringing in his mates). He simply has to deliver a promotion challenge. |
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Post by cheadlepotter on Jul 27, 2023 13:01:31 GMT
Stop making excuses.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jul 27, 2023 13:02:09 GMT
Apologies for butchering The Specials and maybe putting a downer on all the new signings buzz. But. While I rate the manager, it’s going to take Guardiola like genius to integrate this amount of players and nationalities and make us genuinely competitive this season. That said, if the fans get on board, and we get a solid mid table finish with clear signs of a new identity and evolution, then I think promotion could become a real possibility in a season or two’s time. Or am I being too negative? I dont see we had much choice We didn’t. But i still think success this season is a good mid table finish and signs of progress in our structure on and off the pitch. |
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Post by Claus_SCFC on Jul 27, 2023 13:02:14 GMT
Apologies for butchering The Specials and maybe putting a downer on all the new signings buzz. But. While I rate the manager, it’s going to take Guardiola like genius to integrate this amount of players and nationalities and make us genuinely competitive this season. That said, if the fans get on board, and we get a solid mid table finish with clear signs of a new identity and evolution, then I think promotion could become a real possibility in a season or two’s time. Or am I being too negative? Forest under Steve Cooper last season? |
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jul 27, 2023 13:02:33 GMT
It seems like there’s an actual plan, structure and way of playing this time instead of throwing shit covered millions at walls hoping it’ll stick.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jul 27, 2023 13:03:05 GMT
Apologies for butchering The Specials and maybe putting a downer on all the new signings buzz. But. While I rate the manager, it’s going to take Guardiola like genius to integrate this amount of players and nationalities and make us genuinely competitive this season. That said, if the fans get on board, and we get a solid mid table finish with clear signs of a new identity and evolution, then I think promotion could become a real possibility in a season or two’s time. Or am I being too negative? 1. We needed all these new footballers, we didn't have enough. 2. Neil has been brought in on triple his money and has been backed to the hilt (including bringing in his mates). He simply has to deliver a promotion challenge. If we challenge for promotion he should be in line for manager of the decade let alone season. |
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 27, 2023 13:04:42 GMT
1. We needed all these new footballers, we didn't have enough. 2. Neil has been brought in on triple his money and has been backed to the hilt (including bringing in his mates). He simply has to deliver a promotion challenge. If we challenge for promotion he should be in line for manager of the decade let alone season. Why? He's got in the players he wants, surely he has an idea on how they are going to play and the system? Sorry, there are no excuses. |
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Post by J-Roar on Jul 27, 2023 13:04:45 GMT
Apologies for butchering The Specials and maybe putting a downer on all the new signings buzz. But. While I rate the manager, it’s going to take Guardiola like genius to integrate this amount of players and nationalities and make us genuinely competitive this season. That said, if the fans get on board, and we get a solid mid table finish with clear signs of a new identity and evolution, then I think promotion could become a real possibility in a season or two’s time. Or am I being too negative? Suppose it was a toss up between This or not being able to field a team next season. |
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Post by nsd on Jul 27, 2023 13:04:47 GMT
what was the alternative?
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Post by foxysgloves on Jul 27, 2023 13:04:56 GMT
Apologies for butchering The Specials and maybe putting a downer on all the new signings buzz. But. While I rate the manager, it’s going to take Guardiola like genius to integrate this amount of players and nationalities and make us genuinely competitive this season. That said, if the fans get on board, and we get a solid mid table finish with clear signs of a new identity and evolution, then I think promotion could become a real possibility in a season or two’s time. Or am I being too negative? Too much too soon? We hardly had a first 11 never mind a strong squad! I was trying to be clever and cool with the post title. And failing obviously. I know it was a necessity but I still think it makes it very difficult for any manager. |
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Jul 27, 2023 13:05:44 GMT
This league as always is wide open and you might as well go for it every year, especially a club our size and financial clout. We are bigger than the likes of Milwall, Bristol and Preston who have sat in the league for years. We can compete with those who come down every year.
I think if you've got anything longer than a two-season plan to get out of the league you're barking up the wrong tree.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jul 27, 2023 13:06:07 GMT
Too little too late more like. Had we taken this approach when we came down, cashing in on those who were worth money at the time and building a younger, more exciting team, we might not be in this position and it would at least have been a bit more exciting.
A complete overhaul of the club and playing staff is long overdue. The worry, as always, given the way we operate, remains "is Neil the right man for the task". We have to hope he is but I have to say, I'm getting increasingly excited by the prospect of watching a fresh, younger and more dynamic team that we know little about.
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Post by pmjh on Jul 27, 2023 13:06:31 GMT
on the contrary. We're still a few players short.
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Post by twobanksoffour on Jul 27, 2023 13:06:44 GMT
Remember that 2 of the new signings were here on loan last season. Likely our 11 for the first game will include 5/6 players who were all here previously.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jul 27, 2023 13:06:48 GMT
If we challenge for promotion he should be in line for manager of the decade let alone season. Why? He's got in the players he wants, surely he has an idea on how they are going to play and the system? Sorry, there are no excuses. Seriously? So you expect him to integrate all these new players overnight? I agree he needs to be accountable and he will live or die by these signings. But he also deserves a chance to continue the building process. Rome wasn’t built in a day. |
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Post by foxysgloves on Jul 27, 2023 13:08:02 GMT
on the contrary. We're still a few players short. That’s what I mean. We could have 12 or 13 new players in total. That’s unprecedented for us unless I’m mistaken. |
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 27, 2023 13:08:16 GMT
Why? He's got in the players he wants, surely he has an idea on how they are going to play and the system? Sorry, there are no excuses. Seriously? So you expect him to integrate all these new players overnight? I agree he needs to be accountable and he will live or die by these signings. But he also deserves a chance to continue the building process. Rome wasn’t built in a day. Yes, I expect him to challenge for promotion, realistically through the playoffs. You're giving the bloke a free pass already, doesn't wash. |
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Post by stokie23 on Jul 27, 2023 13:09:26 GMT
If we challenge for promotion he should be in line for manager of the decade let alone season. Why? He's got in the players he wants, surely he has an idea on how they are going to play and the system? Sorry, there are no excuses. Agreed. Not sure where this, 'i'd just be happy with a top half finish' nonsense...even the players we've signed have stated in their interviews promotion is the aim. I'm sure the Coates family feel the same way...we should be aiming for a top 6 position going into January so we can make further improvements and ensure we finish strong. Lot of glass half empties about.. |
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Post by coldtuesdaynight on Jul 27, 2023 13:09:28 GMT
Thinking of the likely team on day 1, the re-signings and players who know Neil’s style should mean we'll be ok.
Only really two who will be chucked in at the deep end from day 1 without any qualifier to give them some kind of stability.
I mean it’s still a reasonable concern. I just think when you look at it on a player by player basis it’s not quite the insanely quickly thrown together 11 people might initially think when they see the number of transfers in.
I wouldn’t even be overly shocked if the new striker is phased in and Brown starts.
Travers (don’t think a keeper needs that much integration really)
Hoever (here before)
Rose
Wilmot (not new)
Tymon (not new)
Laurent (not new)
Pearson (here before)
Johnson (knows Neil)
Campbell (not new)
New striker
Chiquinhio (has at least probably played with Hoever before)
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Post by stokest5 on Jul 27, 2023 13:09:58 GMT
Too much too soon? We hardly had a first 11 never mind a strong squad! I was trying to be clever and cool with the post title. And failing obviously. I know it was a necessity but I still think it makes it very difficult for any manager. I can see what you’re saying but there was no other choice imo. The fans have been asking for a major rebuild and that what we’ve got. The fans aren’t patience enough for a slow rebuild. To some one win we’re going to be champions one loss we’re going down 😆 |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2023 13:10:28 GMT
I think AN , thought it was time for a fresh shake of the dice and I think he has called that right .
Of course a fresh shake of the dice could go either way, but to be fair there seems a logic to AN's signings.
Hopefully they will allow us to try and do things differently this season.
We were in a rut and if he can get us out of constantly playing in the same way , with no variety, against bottom half teams at the 365 , in a this looks like 0-0 all day long ( oops we have conceded , make that 0-1) way .
I will be happy with that .
I think the plan is for improvement.
I think AN is aiming to get us to the top half of the table.
If he can do that, and put and end to clueless , no variety, performances v bottom half teams at the bet 365 , then that is progress !
Good luck to him
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Post by pmjh on Jul 27, 2023 13:12:00 GMT
on the contrary. We're still a few players short. That’s what I mean. We could have 12 or 13 new players in total. That’s unprecedented for us unless I’m mistaken. Yes you're correct. But that's what we need(ed). We were left with a tiny squad. we never had the option of taking our time. In fact if you believed some on here a week or two ago, we were taking far too much time. |
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Post by femark on Jul 27, 2023 13:12:32 GMT
We've had no choice but to do this much business. It was starting to look like we weren't going to sign players quick enough but it's really started to come together in the last couple of weeks.
Target man, centre back and a couple of back up loan players should just about do it.
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Post by chamberlain on Jul 27, 2023 13:13:03 GMT
I dont see we had much choice We didn’t. But i still think success this season is a good mid table finish and signs of progress in our structure on and off the pitch. I agree but hoping for top 10 |
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