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Post by Pugsley on Jul 27, 2023 13:13:03 GMT
I think AN , thought it was time for a fresh shake of the dice and I think he has called that right . Of course a fresh shake of the dice could go either way, but to be fair there seems a logic to AN's signings. Hopefully they will allow us to try and do things differently this season. We were in a rut and if he can get us out of constantly playing in the same way , with no variety, against bottom half teams at the 365 , in a this looks like 0-0 all day long ( oops we have conceded , make that 0-1) way . I will be happy with that . I think the plan is for improvement. I think AN is aiming to get us to the top half of the table. If he can do that, and put and end to clueless , no variety, performances v bottom half teams at the bet 365 , then that is progress ! Good luck to him We're signing all these players just so AN can move us up the table 5 or 6 places? Christ on a bike.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jul 27, 2023 13:13:31 GMT
Seriously? So you expect him to integrate all these new players overnight? I agree he needs to be accountable and he will live or die by these signings. But he also deserves a chance to continue the building process. Rome wasn’t built in a day. Yes, I expect him to challenge for promotion, realistically through the playoffs. You're giving the bloke a free pass already, doesn't wash. I’m not giving him a free pass. I’m saying mid table and clear signs of progress.
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Post by danceswithclams on Jul 27, 2023 13:13:46 GMT
It seems like there’s an actual plan, structure and way of playing this time instead of throwing shit covered millions at walls hoping it’ll stick. Not sure why but upon reading this I had a mental image of Scrooge McDuck diving headlong into a pit of excrement.
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Post by shrewspotter on Jul 27, 2023 13:14:01 GMT
does it feel like you just cannot win to some people
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Post by xchpotter on Jul 27, 2023 13:14:24 GMT
Years of incompetence and complacency put us into the position we have had to adopt out of necessity. Yes, there are a lot of players and integration can be a challenge, but if they help tip the balance over those who have had the wrong attitude and capability at the club then great. I think for once we can look positively, albeit with a bit of realism, that we might just be on that upward curve.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jul 27, 2023 13:14:31 GMT
I think AN , thought it was time for a fresh shake of the dice and I think he has called that right . Of course a fresh shake of the dice could go either way, but to be fair there seems a logic to AN's signings. Hopefully they will allow us to try and do things differently this season. We were in a rut and if he can get us out of constantly playing in the same way , with no variety, against bottom half teams at the 365 , in a this looks like 0-0 all day long ( oops we have conceded , make that 0-1) way . I will be happy with that . I think the plan is for improvement. I think AN is aiming to get us to the top half of the table. If he can do that, and put and end to clueless , no variety, performances v bottom half teams at the bet 365 , then that is progress ! Good luck to him We're signing all these players just so AN can move us up the table 5 or 6 places? Christ on a bike. 5 or 6 this season. 5 or 6 the season after. Premier league here we come.
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Post by Batfink on Jul 27, 2023 13:14:54 GMT
Surely if we finish in the top half/ top 10 like people are saying, then we will have challenged for the top 6. It seems to me like people are arguing over the same point just over the wording. I expect to challenge for the top 6; I hope to finish in them.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jul 27, 2023 13:15:13 GMT
does it feel like you just cannot win to some people Huh?
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 27, 2023 13:16:02 GMT
Yes, I expect him to challenge for promotion, realistically through the playoffs. You're giving the bloke a free pass already, doesn't wash. I’m not giving him a free pass. I’m saying mid table and clear signs of progress. Mid table? Honestly, no wonder we've won nothing with this attitude. Pressure is on the manager to deliver.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jul 27, 2023 13:17:44 GMT
Everything is gearing towards a promotion push.
The back room staff shuffle has been overdue since even the Premiership heydays, we’ve completely changed the recruitment process from the 17th century into the 21st century.
Neil does know how to get out of this league, and if we look at the players that have come in:
Hoever & Chiquinho - Both highly regarded youngsters who are expected to have big futures in the game Vidigal - Won promotion with Estoril and was the standout player for Maritimo Stevens - Promoted with Sheff Utd Travers & Pearson - Promoted with Bournemouth.
It’s about time some winning mentality was bought back into this comatose club.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jul 27, 2023 13:17:59 GMT
I’m not giving him a free pass. I’m saying mid table and clear signs of progress. Mid table? Honestly, no wonder we've won nothing with this attitude. Pressure is on the manager to deliver. So you don’t agree that integration of upwards of 10 new players into a first team squad is a significant challenge? For a team that just about finished outside relegation trouble in the previous season?
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Post by Batfink on Jul 27, 2023 13:18:12 GMT
I’m not giving him a free pass. I’m saying mid table and clear signs of progress. Mid table? Honestly, no wonder we've won nothing with this attitude. Pressure is on the manager to deliver. Nobody is saying it is the aim. They’re saying it is the minimum.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jul 27, 2023 13:19:22 GMT
Everything is gearing towards a promotion push. The back room staff shuffle has been overdue since even the Premiership heydays, we’ve completely changed the recruitment process from the 17th century into the 21st century. Neil does know how to get out of this league, and if we look at the players that have come in: Hoever & Chiquinho - Both highly regarded youngsters who are expected to have big futures in the game Vidigal - Won promotion with Estoril and was the standout player for Maritimo Stevens - Promoted with Sheff Utd Travers & Pearson - Promoted with Bournemouth. It’s about time some winning mentality was bought back into this comatose club. Lots of positives but we’re talking about a team that has made bottom half finishes a fine art. That’s a massive turn around.
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 27, 2023 13:21:09 GMT
Mid table? Honestly, no wonder we've won nothing with this attitude. Pressure is on the manager to deliver. So you don’t agree that integration of upwards of 10 new players into a first team squad is a significant challenge? For a team that just about finished outside relegation trouble in the previous season? We've poached a manager from a bigger club and tripled his money. He should be able to manage, it's not ladsandads
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jul 27, 2023 13:22:07 GMT
Everything is gearing towards a promotion push. The back room staff shuffle has been overdue since even the Premiership heydays, we’ve completely changed the recruitment process from the 17th century into the 21st century. Neil does know how to get out of this league, and if we look at the players that have come in: Hoever & Chiquinho - Both highly regarded youngsters who are expected to have big futures in the game Vidigal - Won promotion with Estoril and was the standout player for Maritimo Stevens - Promoted with Sheff Utd Travers & Pearson - Promoted with Bournemouth. It’s about time some winning mentality was bought back into this comatose club. Lots of positives but we’re talking about a team that has made bottom half finishes a fine art. That’s a massive turn around. With the resources we have there is simply no excuse for the seasons we’ve had since relegation, none. And the fact it’s taken this long to finally wake up and realise it’s not the 1970’s anymore and we can sign players from further afield than Sunderland is arguably worthy of its own thread. Luton are a premier league team this year with a thrown together but well drilled squad, there’s absolutely no reason we shouldn’t be in the mix.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 27, 2023 13:22:12 GMT
One thing is for sure we as a set of fans will need to have abit more patience whilst this team moulds
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 27, 2023 13:22:23 GMT
Mid table? Honestly, no wonder we've won nothing with this attitude. Pressure is on the manager to deliver. Nobody is saying it is the aim. They’re saying it is the minimum. They're saying they would be happy with mid table. Honestly, wtaf?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 27, 2023 13:24:02 GMT
We still need more if anything.
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Post by cvillestokie on Jul 27, 2023 13:30:03 GMT
We still need more if anything. Agreed. If Onomah does sign, I’d still like someone better than Laurent. Ideally, we bring in one central defender and two target men as well. At that point, we may have a fairly balanced squad, assuming we don’t sell anyone (other than Gayle).
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Post by foxysgloves on Jul 27, 2023 13:34:55 GMT
So you don’t agree that integration of upwards of 10 new players into a first team squad is a significant challenge? For a team that just about finished outside relegation trouble in the previous season? We've poached a manager from a bigger club and tripled his money. He should be able to manage, it's not ladsandads And I think he’s shown plenty of evidence that he can. So to be clear, you don’t think signing and integrating that amount of first team players makes his job more challenging?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 27, 2023 13:35:47 GMT
We still need more if anything. Agreed. If Onomah does sign, I’d still like someone better than Laurent. Ideally, we bring in one central defender and two target men as well. At that point, we may have a fairly balanced squad, assuming we don’t sell anyone (other than Gayle). I mean really we still need a back up goalie, another right back, 2 CBS, a left back, at least one more central midfielder and two forwards.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jul 27, 2023 13:36:06 GMT
We still need more if anything. We do. Which makes my point even more relevant I think. We could quite easily be fielding a team with only 3 or 4 starters from last season. Exciting but massively challenging.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 27, 2023 13:36:37 GMT
We've poached a manager from a bigger club and tripled his money. He should be able to manage, it's not ladsandads And I think he’s shown plenty of evidence that he can. So to be clear, you don’t think signing and integrating that amount of first team players makes his job more challenging? But it was always going to be the case. The squad needed a complete overhaul. It's not an issue, it's a good thing and we need more players in too.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 27, 2023 13:37:10 GMT
We still need more if anything. We do. Which makes my point even more relevant I think. We could quite easily be fielding a team with only 3 or 4 starters from last season. Exciting but massively challenging. It is but that's the job he signed up to. MON really fucked up with the squad.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Jul 27, 2023 13:37:20 GMT
I’ve got no issues losing any of the players he’s let go, it needed to happen in order to move forward.
Play-offs would be nice but I’d be happy with some entertaining football and a clear improvement over the dross that we have been subjected to in previous seasons.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jul 27, 2023 13:37:49 GMT
Lots of positives but we’re talking about a team that has made bottom half finishes a fine art. That’s a massive turn around. With the resources we have there is simply no excuse for the seasons we’ve had since relegation, none. And the fact it’s taken this long to finally wake up and realise it’s not the 1970’s anymore and we can sign players from further afield than Sunderland is arguably worthy of its own thread. Luton are a premier league team this year with a thrown together but well drilled squad, there’s absolutely no reason we shouldn’t be in the mix. Don’t disagree with any of that. But that’s not the point I am making. I’m saying it’s a massive challenge for any manager to integrate that number of new first team players.
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Post by Claus_SCFC on Jul 27, 2023 13:40:00 GMT
Junior and Onomah plus 2 centerbacks and 2 strikers
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Post by foxysgloves on Jul 27, 2023 13:44:02 GMT
And I think he’s shown plenty of evidence that he can. So to be clear, you don’t think signing and integrating that amount of first team players makes his job more challenging? But it was always going to be the case. The squad needed a complete overhaul. It's not an issue, it's a good thing and we need more players in too. Absolutely. But realistically it means this season it will be very difficult to stage a serious promotion challenge. Sneaking into the play offs perhaps. But equally a good season with decent football and a top half finish is progress too.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 27, 2023 13:45:16 GMT
But it was always going to be the case. The squad needed a complete overhaul. It's not an issue, it's a good thing and we need more players in too. Absolutely. But realistically it means this season it will be very difficult to stage a serious promotion challenge. Sneaking into the play offs perhaps. But equally a good season with decent football and a top half finish is progress too. I think anyone expecting a promotion season is mad. A top half finish would show real progress.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2023 13:46:21 GMT
With the resources we have there is simply no excuse for the seasons we’ve had since relegation, none. And the fact it’s taken this long to finally wake up and realise it’s not the 1970’s anymore and we can sign players from further afield than Sunderland is arguably worthy of its own thread. Luton are a premier league team this year with a thrown together but well drilled squad, there’s absolutely no reason we shouldn’t be in the mix. Don’t disagree with any of that. But that’s not the point I am making. I’m saying it’s a massive challenge for any manager to integrate that number of new first team players. A rookie manager made it look easy past season, as his team absolutely pissed the league. I'm not saying it's easy but a good manager with a good plan who gets his recruitment right will stand a very good chance of succeeding, especially in this division. Alex Neil, as Pugsley has already said, didn't come cheap, and his memo this season will be to get his team challenging in amd around the play-offs, it has to be.
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